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post Jul 8 2012, 09:34 PM

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If you need more info, just PM me, i will try my best to get it. 3M APDWS 1000 is a reliable filter as it has NSF to verify on their water quality (standard 42 & 53). Unlike some brands that focus on advertising without sufficient facts & lab test.

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post Jul 11 2012, 02:38 PM

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Can somebody compare the 3M, espring & diamond Vs price and practically for common household considering young kids & babies? I know they are different, but i just want to get the view and water quality at your area with what type is suitable
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post Jul 11 2012, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(Spritzz @ Jun 25 2012, 10:51 PM)
Today ordered Alphamax POE A840 at RM1799 (Promo Price) + RM89 Indoor Water filter A08T (Cost RM899) + Stainless Steel Valve for free.. How is the deal? Also free installation and 12 month interest free instalment

http://www.alphamaxind.com/wt1.html
http://www.alphamaxind.com/wt2.html
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Yes.....I oso put a deposit to purchase alphamax.....feeling excited to wait them to install....

just now i sudden remember...my water tap got bigger "head"....unable to suit the filter adapter, any idea to solve it?



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post Jul 11 2012, 09:51 PM

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Just a reminder, i have a few customers who bought alphamax and according to them, the salesmen told them that their media does not require placement. FYI, this is not true as the media inside must be replaced averagely 3-4 years.
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post Jul 11 2012, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Jul 11 2012, 09:51 PM)
Just a reminder, i have a few customers who bought alphamax and according to them, the salesmen told them that their media does not require placement. FYI, this is not true as the media inside must be replaced averagely 3-4 years.
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media for outdoor filter? They told me is maintenance free and just need back wash.......
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post Jul 11 2012, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(khieni @ Jul 11 2012, 09:42 PM)
Yes.....I oso put a deposit to purchase alphamax.....feeling excited to wait them to install....

just now i sudden remember...my water tap got bigger "head"....unable to suit the filter adapter, any idea to solve it?
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when i bought the tap i always ask if the head can detach and for filter use. If you have bigger head, then you will need to change the tap. or you can try to see if you head can detach or not.. if can, most probably will fit the filter.

I just got my alphamax last week Friday, the water is very clear and i will get bubble when i bottled it. Dunno why? haha


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post Jul 11 2012, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(Spritzz @ Jul 11 2012, 10:04 PM)
when i bought the tap i always ask if the head can detach and for filter use. If you have bigger head, then you will need to change the tap. or you can try to see if you head can detach or not.. if can, most probably will fit the filter.

I just got my alphamax last week Friday, the water is very clear and i will get bubble when i bottled it. Dunno why? haha
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ya....tat's call no experience....haha...all the while my father handle everything, i nvr bother.......now,i did a silly mistake on this....haha......i was over excited when i saw that sink.....very stylish.......

tomorrow i will go to my new house and check the water tap connection.....hopefully can get idea how to solve it


Added on July 11, 2012, 11:47 pmalthough confirm is fit...but i still need to throw away my big head......huhuhu....

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post Jul 12 2012, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(Spritzz @ Jul 11 2012, 10:04 PM)
when i bought the tap i always ask if the head can detach and for filter use. If you have bigger head, then you will need to change the tap. or you can try to see if you head can detach or not.. if can, most probably will fit the filter.

I just got my alphamax last week Friday, the water is very clear and i will get bubble when i bottled it. Dunno why? haha
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It is common for sand filter to have white bubble when it is new. To avoid this, backwash ur filter after installation or turn on ur sink tap for about 10 minutes


Added on July 12, 2012, 12:09 am
QUOTE(khieni @ Jul 11 2012, 09:58 PM)
media for outdoor filter? They told me is maintenance free and just need back wash.......
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ya the media for outfoor (the sand) mus b replaced averagely 3 years once. THe backwash could only wash away sediments but the dirt that is trapped between the media cant b cleaned. Eg: if ur table cloth is dirty, you cant just get it cleaned under running water, you need to scrub it and use soap or detergent to clean it. As it is impossible to clean the media/sand that way, you need to replace it.

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post Jul 12 2012, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Jul 6 2012, 11:14 AM)
YOu can go for 3M AP DWS1000 currently having promotion. However, if u wan a cheaper alternative, u can get AP Easy Complete. I will PM u the price
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Pm me cheap but reliable water filtrr

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I told the espring salesman that I am not interested with his product nor his information because it lacks technical credibility and that I have chosen the 3M instead. But he kept sending me PM asking me to meet outside, and tell me why 3M is not good (instead of why espring is better) without any data...Then say I waste his time...what man! cannot answer my questions just tell me cheap cheap cheap.... I'm officially putting it here, if i see another PM, I will report it and post his name here..cannot harass me if i duwan to buy what....crazy fella
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QUOTE(craftsnknots @ Jul 13 2012, 05:35 PM)
I told the espring salesman that I am not interested with his product nor his information because it lacks technical credibility and that I have chosen the 3M instead. But he kept sending me PM asking me to meet outside, and tell me why 3M is not good (instead of why espring is better) without any data...Then say I waste his time...what man! cannot answer my questions just tell me cheap cheap cheap.... I'm officially putting it here, if i see another PM, I will report it and post his name here..cannot harass me if i duwan to buy what....crazy fella
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Haha... We have so many funny salesman. Please don't pushdown other product, but you need to show value of your own product. That is a good ethical salesman.
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post Jul 13 2012, 10:00 PM

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It really take time and effort to study other brand water filters, lots of things to learn and i m still learning only. If you really want to convince that epsring is more worth buying than 3M, you will need to do more research and study, convince your customer with facts not price and persistent. It is amazing that there is lot to read about water filter, such as ozone, alkaline, UV light, hard water and etc, giving me headache trying to digest everything smile.gif

From what i know, 3M is using 1 micron and 0.5 micron carbon block while espring is using UV light and 1 micron carbon block. So, 3M is better in terms of filtration and removing contaminants with the 0.5 micron carbon block but espring is better in killing bacteria bcoz of the UV light. However, as our water contains chlorine which is used to kill bacteria, there wont b much bacteria left for the UV light to kill. Moreover, NSF has already certified that 3M is safe to direct drink (standard 42 & 53). I don think the extra RM 1k-2K for the UV light is worthy. Moreover, there is additional cost for replacing the UV light. With our current promotion (3M Indoor + Outdoor filter) is less than RM 2.1k whereby Espring (indoor filter) alone is more than that price.

After comparing 3M with a few common brands, i came up with a few conclusions but will only share the info here once i get some1 knowledgeable to confirm as i do not want to post wrong info here. However, you guys can PM me and we can share our thoughts.

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post Jul 13 2012, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Jul 13 2012, 10:00 PM)
It really take time and effort to study other brand water filters, lots of things to learn and i m still learning only. If you really want to convince that epsring is more worth buying than 3M, you will need to do more research and study, convince your customer with facts not price and persistent. It is amazing that there is lot to read about water filter, such as ozone, alkaline, UV light, hard water and etc, giving me headache trying to digest everything smile.gif

From what i know, 3M is using 1 micron and 0.5 micron carbon block while espring is using UV light and 1 micron carbon block. So, 3M is better in terms of filtration and removing contaminants with the 0.5 micron carbon block but espring is better in killing bacteria bcoz of the UV light. However, as our water contains chlorine which is used to kill bacteria, there wont b much bacteria left for the UV light to kill. Moreover, NSF has already certified that 3M is safe to direct drink (standard 42 & 53). I don think the extra RM 1k-2K for the UV light is worthy. Moreover, there is additional cost for replacing the UV light. With our current promotion (3M Indoor + Outdoor filter) is less than RM 2.1k whereby Espring (indoor filter) alone is more than that price.

After comparing 3M with a few common brands, i came up with a few conclusions but will only share the info here once i get some1 knowledgeable to confirm as i do not want to post wrong info here. However, you guys can PM me and we can share our thoughts.
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Alphamax ok or not? I just put RM500 deposit to purchase outdoor and indoor unit....
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Amway is good, just the price are too good too. If I have the cash will surely buy.
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post Jul 13 2012, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 14 2012, 12:20 AM)
Amway is good, just the price are too good too. If I have the cash will surely buy.
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Amway good but their salesman are lazy... Sothey lose out.. Love their uv but so expensive n salesman is inexperience. If it wasnt for the current renovation expenditure.......
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QUOTE(craftsnknots @ Jul 13 2012, 11:51 PM)
Amway good but their salesman are lazy... Sothey lose out.. Love their uv but so expensive n salesman is inexperience. If it wasnt for the current renovation expenditure.......
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post Jul 19 2012, 03:06 PM

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Just learn something new today, wanna share it with u guys. THere are many stainless steel sand filters in the market, some cheap and some exp. Cheaper ones are using stainless steel tank imported from china. The seller will say it is 304 grade stainless steel but it could b some part of it is 304 or it is not really 304.

For perfect steel brand, here is how to differentiate CHina or Malaysia 1. As u can see, the China tank on the left has rusted
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hey guys, please check the new innovation by philips,

msterdam, The Netherlands – Philips Lighting has today announced the launch of a new, complete and innovative water disinfection solution, Philips InstantTrust. This solution is based on cutting-edge disinfection technology optimized for point-of-use applications. For the first time water can be disinfected instantly, efficiently and independent of water temperature.

Many consumers are concerned about the quality of drinking water, because the microorganisms present in water can make them ill. In emerging countries these concerns may be due to the water infrastructure, but also in western countries incidents can cause contamination with microorganisms.

The new Philips InstantTrust solution can be integrated into any point-of use application including taps, water pitchers, under-the-sink water filters and portable counter-top systems. It solves many of the limitations of current UV disinfection technology and enables equipment manufacturers to provide consumers with access to safe drinking water: anytime, anywhere.

Philips InstantTrust is so compact in its size that it allows manufacturers to integrate the solution into smaller equipment than ever before and gives them stylistic freedom to design sleek products ideal for the small and modern home. Furthermore, the revolutionary solution works instantly to produce safe water from the first second onwards, eliminating waiting time. It is unique due to its ability to work independently of water temperature and because it can be used for integration into both hot and cold water systems. Philips InstantTrust is ideal for instant disinfection of small quantities of cold water (up to flows of approximately 4 liters/minute).

Frank Kauffmann, General Manager Special Lighting said: “We are very proud to be launching this unique, state-of-the-art UV disinfection technology today: It is a testament to our continued commitment to developing innovative technologies that help enhance the health and quality of people’s lives.”

Ernest Sanderse, Marketing Manager UV Purification: “Thanks to this innovation safe water is now always within reach: anytime, anywhere. We are dedicated to working with leading equipment manufacturers of end-use products to make this technology available for people around the world.”

Philips Lighting has been at the forefront of UV technology for many years and has helped equipment manufacturers across different sectors including residential water, municipal drinking and waste water, industrial water, swimming pools and fish ponds to design effective water purification equipment by developing innovative and reliable UV solutions.

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QUOTE(jack~daniel @ Jul 19 2012, 03:46 PM)
hey guys, please check the new innovation by philips,

msterdam, The Netherlands – Philips Lighting has today announced the launch of a new, complete and innovative water disinfection solution, Philips InstantTrust. This solution is based on cutting-edge disinfection technology optimized for point-of-use applications. For the first time water can be disinfected instantly, efficiently and independent of water temperature.

Many consumers are concerned about the quality of drinking water, because the microorganisms present in water can make them ill. In emerging countries these concerns may be due to the water infrastructure, but also in western countries incidents can cause contamination with microorganisms.

The new Philips InstantTrust solution can be integrated into any point-of use application including taps, water pitchers, under-the-sink water filters and portable counter-top systems. It solves many of the limitations of current UV disinfection technology and enables equipment manufacturers to provide consumers with access to safe drinking water: anytime, anywhere.

Philips InstantTrust is so compact in its size that it allows manufacturers to integrate the solution into smaller equipment than ever before and gives them stylistic freedom to design sleek products ideal for the small and modern home. Furthermore, the revolutionary solution works instantly to produce safe water from the first second onwards, eliminating waiting time. It is unique due to its ability to work independently of water temperature and because it can be used for integration into both hot and cold water systems. Philips InstantTrust is ideal for instant disinfection of small quantities of cold water (up to flows of approximately 4 liters/minute).

Frank Kauffmann, General Manager Special Lighting said: “We are very proud to be launching this unique, state-of-the-art UV disinfection technology today: It is a testament to our continued commitment to developing innovative technologies that help enhance the health and quality of people’s lives.”

Ernest Sanderse, Marketing Manager UV Purification: “Thanks to this innovation safe water is now always within reach: anytime, anywhere. We are dedicated to working with leading equipment manufacturers of end-use products to make this technology available for people around the world.”

Philips Lighting has been at the forefront of UV technology for many years and has helped equipment manufacturers across different sectors including residential water, municipal drinking and waste water, industrial water, swimming pools and fish ponds to design effective water purification equipment by developing innovative and reliable UV solutions.

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Over here, that is an important factor. nod.gif


Added on July 19, 2012, 6:10 pm
QUOTE(craftsnknots @ Jul 13 2012, 05:35 PM)
I told the espring salesman that I am not interested with his product nor his information because it lacks technical credibility and that I have chosen the 3M instead. But he kept sending me PM asking me to meet outside, and tell me why 3M is not good (instead of why espring is better) without any data...Then say I waste his time...what man! cannot answer my questions just tell me cheap cheap cheap.... I'm officially putting it here, if i see another PM, I will report it and post his name here..cannot harass me if i duwan to buy what....crazy fella
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Tell him your time is expensive, offer to charge him (payment in advance) per minute. tongue.gif

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post Jul 20 2012, 01:39 AM

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Cant find much spec and info online. But from the name and photo, it seems to b a mini UV Light water disinfection. With this, i dont think it is safe to direct drink and they wont have NSF for this. Bcoz this thing only has UV light, that is why it is called water disinfection instead of water filter (guessing only smile.gif )

UV light is only capable of killing microorganisms such as bacteria, viruses, molds, algae, yeast, and oocysts like cryptosporidium and giardia. UV light generally has no impact on chlorine, VOCs, heavy metals, and other chemical contaminants. Chlorine, VOC and etc can only be effectively filtered with carbon block which 3M APDWS 1000 and Espring are using.

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