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JL Summer
post May 6 2014, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Apr 9 2014, 10:25 AM)
Are you talking about the 3M newest POU model that have filtration usage monitoring system? hmm.gif
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Product Model:
DWS 2500T-CN


DWS 2500T Features:
Tested & Certified by NSF/ANSI Standard 42 and 53
Easy change cartridge in less than 10 seconds
Cartridge life monitoring system
Enhanced kitchen outlook with stylish faucet and LED light indicator (Using Battery)
Inhibit bacterial growth inside filter
Reduces up to 99.99% bacteria

Replacement Cartridge:
PFS2500-C-CN
DWS2500-C-CN

Specifications:
Inlet/Outlet Size: 3/8” push in tubing
Flow Rate: 0.75 gpm (2.84 lpm)
Micron Rating: 0.2 micron
Capacity: 750 gal (2,839 L)
Dimension: 400mm(H) x 280mm(W) x 145mm (D)

Removal Capability:
Sediments
CTO(Chlorine Taste Odor)
99.99% Protozoan Cyst
99.99% Water-borne Bacteria
Lead
Mercury
Full VOCs (Volatile Organic Chemicals)

The Price is RM 2599.00 per unit.

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Joanne Lee
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post May 7 2014, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(alexng2208 @ May 5 2014, 12:27 PM)
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If inserting a few BS here and there is your counter-argument it doesn't sound convincing does it.
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post May 7 2014, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(Secruoser @ May 7 2014, 08:02 AM)
If inserting a few BS here and there is your counter-argument it doesn't sound convincing does it.
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haihs

doesn't it seems obvious i do not want to argue with your silly points that are based on nothing but BS
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QUOTE(alexng2208 @ May 7 2014, 08:40 AM)
haihs

doesn't it seems obvious i do not want to argue with your silly points that are based on nothing but BS
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Then so be it. At least scientific papers don't point out mistakes by saying "doesn't it seems obvious i do not want to argue with your silly points that are based on nothing but BS".
NightFelix
post May 7 2014, 10:12 AM

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When come to lowyat forum community here and become a keyboard warrior are useless. Show us the certification NSF 42 and 53 in order to prove yours or others brand of water purifier are credible, just take it the 3M brand and eSpring brand for example. shakehead.gif
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post May 7 2014, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ May 7 2014, 10:12 AM)
When come to lowyat forum community here and become a keyboard warrior are useless. Show us the certification NSF 42 and 53 in order to prove yours or others brand of water purifier are credible, just take it the 3M brand and eSpring brand for example. shakehead.gif
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Exactly what I am pissed off about too. All the salesman here are just feeding needless and unnecessary information. Can't they be more professional?

I come up with perfectly legit challenges to their claims and then they just.....disappear.
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post May 7 2014, 04:41 PM

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All the certifications for drinking water are just gimmicks made to sell a basic compound (H2O). Most people are just suckers for advertisements and marketing pitch they forget all these are made to get money out of their pocket.

Some even want to privatize water. LOL?
http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-wat...-be-privatized/

Don't be silly. Water is just H2O and it's all that. Any other claim is just an attempt to make profit out of something that everyone needs everyday. You think if these people can make profit out of the air we breathe, they won't? They want profit on our very existence if possible. Distillation is the surest way to get H2O of nearest purity, but as I said in my first post, it's up to people what kind of water they choose. If they think drinking expensive water or 'magic/ionized/alkaline/oxygen/<insert claim>' water is good for them, then it's their problem.




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QUOTE(JL Summer @ May 2 2014, 05:21 PM)
There are 2 drinking system models, i.e. AP Easy Complete & AP DWS1000
Both models are fully imported from 3M US and fully supported by 3M Malaysia Sdn Bhd - 1yr warranty
Both models are designed to install under the table top with a dedicated drinking tap provided. It is hidden from sight, does not affect your kitchen designs and does not take up counter space.
Both models are patented Sanitary Quick Change (SQC) designs which
Easy twist & change for replacement cartridge without needing any customer or technical service. It is easy, hassle free and time saving.
Prevents chance of recontamination as the whole housing with cartridge is replaced without the need to clean or scrub which may damage the filter.
no multiple cartridges, only 1 set of cartridge needed to replace each time - time saving and hassle free from individual cartridge replacement.
3M Powder-Activated-Carbon-Block at 0.5 micron is sufficient & more efficient in providing safer and cleaner water to drink. It conforms to NSF Standards 42 (Aesthetic effects) & 53  (Health Related Contamination) (kindly visit www.nsf.org for details of certification)
Price:
AP Easy Complete -
basic model @ RM749.00 ;
replacement once a year @ RM210.00
AP DWS1000 -
Full NSF 53 certification and comes with a water meter (timer) that auto shut off when it reaches maximum capacity. No battery required @ RM1899.00 ;
replacement once a year or when meter indicates limit reached (set of 2pcs) @ RM450
Package with Point-of-Entry (outdoor) filter (AP902):
Easy Complete @ RM1549
DWS @ RM2299
Installation - optional as it is DIY pack - will need to drill a 1/2 inch hole for the dedicated tap @ RM350 per unit.
Delivery, FOC within Klang Valley.
Maybe i can help you to find dealer in Melaka.

You may give me a ring if you need further information
Hope to hear from you soon

Thank you
Best Regards
Joanne Le
+6012-7138221

Home Water Filter
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Could you find me a dealer in Ipoh. Thanks
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post May 15 2014, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(ceowater @ May 4 2014, 06:58 PM)
Kindly visit this link which is simple to install, maintain and small size, CEO Water Filter Shop DIY Concept http://www.ceowater.com.my/ceowater.com.my...uct-790754.html
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water no need to cook?
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post May 15 2014, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(vjeyamahla @ May 15 2014, 01:12 PM)
Could you find me a dealer in Ipoh. Thanks
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Been looking quite some time in Ipoh, found none. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ May 15 2014, 05:42 PM)
Been looking quite some time in Ipoh, found none. sweat.gif
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What would be yor suggestion if I wish to purchase and install #M water filter? Thanks
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QUOTE(vjeyamahla @ May 16 2014, 07:55 AM)
What would be yor suggestion if I wish to purchase and install #M water filter? Thanks
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Well, Ipoh I haven't found any dealer for 3M, so I guess the best you can find is order from KL and deliver to yourstep, find local plumber from Ipoh, and ask him fix for you. Looking for 3M filter best price isn't hard, but looking for good plumber and workmanship best price is the hardest part.
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ May 16 2014, 11:03 AM)
Well, Ipoh I haven't found any dealer for 3M, so I guess the best you can find is order from KL and deliver to yourstep, find local plumber from Ipoh, and ask him fix for you. Looking for 3M filter best price isn't hard, but looking for good plumber and workmanship best price is the hardest part.
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It is easy installation. It just like those cheap RM4 catridge filter installation. But bigger size for 3M.

For plumber, close 1 eye job. tongue.gif
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post May 16 2014, 11:50 PM

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seems like there are many sales person trying to promote their products here, just wanna share that 3M will no longer have their bundle package promotion for AP902 with AP Easy Complete or DWS1000 starting from this month. So, if u wanna get it do get it quick when stock runs out, then no more package price.

For outstation customers, we can courier the product to your doorstep for FREE smile.gif
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Commodification of water is unavoidable as water is a valuable resource and due to geographical/man-made factors, some areas have less water than others. Privatization of water as a commodity began when we first started bottling water. Water in its purest, form is groundwater that hasn't been polluted by toxic leachate from landfills, etc. However you chose to filter your water, you should also know your water source and water quality. Dirty coloured water you can see is one thing, pesticides or other chemical contaminants is a whole different ballgame.

THE NITTY GRITTY OF FILTER TYPES AND TECHNOLOGIES
Source: Environmental Working Group

Although there are hundreds of brands of home water filters, they all rely on a small number of technologies to remove contaminants. That does not mean that every filter that uses a given technology is as good as another, but it does mean that you can get a good idea of the general pros and cons of the different systems relatively easily.

A few tips to keep in mind:
1) Some filters use a combination of technologies, while others rely on just one.

2) To ensure that a filter removes a particular contaminant, verify that it is certified for that contaminant by a reputable, independent agency. For example, some carbon filters can remove chloramine but others cannot. Filters vary widely in quality.

3) Some filters are labeled “NSF certified.” NSF is a reputable product evaluation company, but its certifications are not all the same. It may certify that a filter will improve water’s taste and odor but not necessarily guarantee that it will remove any specific contaminants. Read the fine print.

4) EWG’s water filter guide only includes filters that have been certified by the California Department of Public Health and/or NSF to reduce one or more common drinking water contaminants.

The basics of common water filter technologies

Carbon/Activated Carbon: Activated carbon chemically bonds with and removes some contaminants in water filtered through it. Carbon filters vary greatly in effectiveness: Some just remove chlorine and improve taste and odor, while others remove a wide range of contaminants including asbestos, lead, mercury and volatile organic compounds (VOCs). However, activated carbon cannot effectively remove common “inorganic” pollutants such as arsenic, fluoride, hexavalent chromium, nitrate and perchlorate. Generally, carbon filters come in two forms, carbon block and granulated activated carbon.

- Carbon Block: Carbon block filters contain pulverized activated carbon that is shaped into blocks under high pressure. They are typically more effective than granulated activated carbon filters because they have more surface area. Their effectiveness depends in part on how quickly water flows through.

- Granulated Activated Carbon: These filters contain fine grains of activated carbon. They are typically less effective than carbon block filters because they have a smaller surface area of activated carbon. Their effectiveness also depends on how quickly water flows through.

Ceramic: Ceramic filters have very small holes throughout the material that block solid contaminants such as cysts and sediments. They do not remove chemical contaminants.

Deionization: These filters use an ion exchange process that removes mineral salts and other electrically charged molecules (ions) from water. The process cannot remove non-ionic contaminants (including trihalomethanes and other common volatile organic compounds) or microorganisms. EWG’s water filter guide does not include any filters based on this technology.

Distillation: This technology heats water enough to vaporize it and then condenses the steam back into water. The process removes minerals, many bacteria and viruses and chemicals that have a higher boiling point than water. It cannot remove chlorine, trihalomethanes or volatile organic chemicals (VOCs). EWG’s water filter guide does not include any filters based on this technology.

Fibredyne block: This is a proprietary type of carbon block filter that claims to have a higher sediment holding capacity than other carbon block filters.

Ion Exchange: This technology passes water over a resin that replaces undesirable ions with others that are more desirable. One common application is water softening, which replaces calcium and magnesium with sodium. The resin must be periodically “recharged” with replacement ions.

Mechanical Filters: Like ceramic filters, these filters are riddled with small holes that remove contaminants such as cysts and sediments. They are often used in conjunction with other kinds of technologies, but sometimes are used alone. They cannot remove chemical contaminants.

Ozone: Ozone kills bacteria and other microorganisms and is often used in conjunction with other filtering technologies. It is not effective in removing chemical contaminants. EWG’s water filter guide does not include any filters based on this technology.

Reverse Osmosis: This process pushes water through a semi-permeable membrane that blocks particles larger than water molecules. Reverse osmosis can remove many contaminants not removed by activated carbon, including arsenic, fluoride, hexavalent chromium, nitrates and perchlorate. However, reverse osmosis does not remove chlorine, trihalomethanes or volatile organic chemicals (VOCs). Many reverse osmosis systems include an activated carbon component than can remove these other contaminants. Quality can vary tremendously in both the membrane system and the carbon filter typically used with it. Consumers should also be aware that reverse osmosis filters use 3-to-20 times more water than they produce. Because they waste quite a bit of water, they are best used for drinking and cooking water only.

UV (ultraviolet): These systems use ultraviolet light to kill bacteria and other microorganisms. They cannot remove chemical contaminants. EWG’s water filter guide does not include any filters based on this technology.

Water Softeners: These devices typically use an ion exchange process to lower levels of calcium and magnesium (which can build up in plumbing and fixtures) as well barium and certain forms of radium. They do not remove most other contaminants. Since water softeners usually replace calcium and magnesium with sodium, treated water typically has high sodium content. Some people may be advised by their physicians to avoid softened water. For the same reason, it is also not recommended for watering plants and gardens.


Note: The article goes on to weigh pros and cons of types of water filters like pitcher/dispensers, over counter, under counter, etc. Click on the source underneath the article title above to continue reading.

This post has been edited by OneMoreDay: May 17 2014, 03:56 AM
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Personally, since I don't have a water tank, dechloronization via carbon block and uv treatmed water is what I'm looking for. I already have a whole-house rocket filter outside. For these reasons, I'm aiming for eSpring.
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QUOTE(OneMoreDay @ May 17 2014, 03:55 AM)
Personally, since I don't have a water tank, dechloronization via carbon block and uv treatmed water is what I'm looking for. I already have a whole-house rocket filter outside. For these reasons, I'm aiming for eSpring.
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eSpring is your only choice.. rclxms.gif
I heard someone here share before that there was a Philips brand with identical combo tech like eSpring, but the product already discontinued. Not sure how its performance. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(OneMoreDay @ May 17 2014, 01:23 AM)
Commodification of water is unavoidable as water is a valuable resource and due to geographical/man-made factors, some areas have less water than others. Privatization of water as a commodity began when we first started bottling water. Water in its purest, form is groundwater that hasn't been polluted by toxic leachate from landfills, etc. However you chose to filter your water, you should also know your water source and water quality. Dirty coloured water you can see is one thing, pesticides or other chemical contaminants is a whole different ballgame.

THE NITTY GRITTY OF FILTER TYPES AND TECHNOLOGIES
Source: Environmental Working Group

Although there are hundreds of brands of home water filters, they all rely on a small number of technologies to remove contaminants. That does not mean that every filter that uses a given technology is as good as another, but it does mean that you can get a good idea of the general pros and cons of the different systems relatively easily.

A few tips to keep in mind:
1) Some filters use a combination of technologies, while others rely on just one.

2) To ensure that a filter removes a particular contaminant, verify that it is certified for that contaminant by a reputable, independent agency. For example, some carbon filters can remove chloramine but others cannot. Filters vary widely in quality.

3) Some filters are labeled “NSF certified.” NSF is a reputable product evaluation company, but its certifications are not all the same. It may certify that a filter will improve water’s taste and odor but not necessarily guarantee that it will remove any specific contaminants. Read the fine print.

4) EWG’s water filter guide only includes filters that have been certified by the California Department of Public Health and/or NSF to reduce one or more common drinking water contaminants.

The basics of common water filter technologies

Carbon/Activated Carbon: Activated carbon chemically bonds with and removes some contaminants in water filtered through it. Carbon filters vary greatly in effectiveness: Some just remove chlorine and improve taste and odor, while others remove a wide range of contaminants including asbestos, lead, mercury and volatile organic compounds (VOCs). However, activated carbon cannot effectively remove common “inorganic” pollutants such as arsenic, fluoride, hexavalent chromium, nitrate and perchlorate. Generally, carbon filters come in two forms, carbon block and granulated activated carbon.

- Carbon Block: Carbon block filters contain pulverized activated carbon that is shaped into blocks under high pressure. They are typically more effective than granulated activated carbon filters because they have more surface area. Their effectiveness depends in part on how quickly water flows through.

- Granulated Activated Carbon: These filters contain fine grains of activated carbon. They are typically less effective than carbon block filters because they have a smaller surface area of activated carbon. Their effectiveness also depends on how quickly water flows through.

Ceramic: Ceramic filters have very small holes throughout the material that block solid contaminants such as cysts and sediments. They do not remove chemical contaminants.

Deionization: These filters use an ion exchange process that removes mineral salts and other electrically charged molecules (ions) from water. The process cannot remove non-ionic contaminants (including trihalomethanes and other common volatile organic compounds) or microorganisms. EWG’s water filter guide does not include any filters based on this technology.

Distillation: This technology heats water enough to vaporize it and then condenses the steam back into water. The process removes minerals, many bacteria and viruses and chemicals that have a higher boiling point than water. It cannot remove chlorine, trihalomethanes or volatile organic chemicals (VOCs). EWG’s water filter guide does not include any filters based on this technology.

Fibredyne block: This is a proprietary type of carbon block filter that claims to have a higher sediment holding capacity than other carbon block filters.

Ion Exchange: This technology passes water over a resin that replaces undesirable ions with others that are more desirable. One common application is water softening, which replaces calcium and magnesium with sodium. The resin must be periodically “recharged” with replacement ions.

Mechanical Filters: Like ceramic filters, these filters are riddled with small holes that remove contaminants such as cysts and sediments. They are often used in conjunction with other kinds of technologies, but sometimes are used alone. They cannot remove chemical contaminants.

Ozone: Ozone kills bacteria and other microorganisms and is often used in conjunction with other filtering technologies. It is not effective in removing chemical contaminants. EWG’s water filter guide does not include any filters based on this technology.

Reverse Osmosis: This process pushes water through a semi-permeable membrane that blocks particles larger than water molecules. Reverse osmosis can remove many contaminants not removed by activated carbon, including arsenic, fluoride, hexavalent chromium, nitrates and perchlorate. However, reverse osmosis does not remove chlorine, trihalomethanes or volatile organic chemicals (VOCs). Many reverse osmosis systems include an activated carbon component than can remove these other contaminants. Quality can vary tremendously in both the membrane system and the carbon filter typically used with it. Consumers should also be aware that reverse osmosis filters use 3-to-20 times more water than they produce. Because they waste quite a bit of water, they are best used for drinking and cooking water only.

UV (ultraviolet): These systems use ultraviolet light to kill bacteria and other microorganisms. They cannot remove chemical contaminants. EWG’s water filter guide does not include any filters based on this technology.

Water Softeners: These devices typically use an ion exchange process to lower levels of calcium and magnesium (which can build up in plumbing and fixtures) as well barium and certain forms of radium. They do not remove most other contaminants. Since water softeners usually replace calcium and magnesium with sodium, treated water typically has high sodium content. Some people may be advised by their physicians to avoid softened water. For the same reason, it is also not recommended for watering plants and gardens.
Note: The article goes on to weigh pros and cons of types of water filters like pitcher/dispensers, over counter, under counter, etc. Click on the source underneath the article title above to continue reading.
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Some of the tech mentioned are meant for industrial use. ion exchange, demin, RO are some of them.
The cleaner the water is, the more mineral it can remove which including good mineral.
I got a friend that is an Elken seller, keep on boasting how good their filter is and used his father as a selling point. When start drinking the water, the urine are yellow for few days and then turn to clear water. After 2 years, his father has kidney failure.
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Hi guys ,
I'm told by sand filter seller that the FRP will leach chemical over time? Can someone help clarify ?
And anyone heard of this company CK Shoppe Marketing?
Thanks
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Hi guys ,
I'm told by sand filter seller that the FRP will leach chemical over time? Can someone help clarify ?
And anyone heard of this company CK Shoppe Marketing?
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Sand filter is just to remove particle dirt.
Removing chemicals you need at least carbon filter hmm.gif

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