As an UOL External student, you are technically not bound by it.

However, as this is the qualifying board you are talking about, I'd rather not take my chances.

Just take it.

:-)

I have friends who are private candidates as well. After getting LLB, they can't sit for CLP because they do not take LAN subjects?

PRIVATE HIGHER EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS ACT 1996 (as amended):
S43 -Compulsory Subjects

(1) All private higher educational institutions shall teach such compulsory subjects which shall be determined by the Registrar General.


(2) The subjects determined by the Registrar General under subsection (1) shall be taught in addition to other subjects or courses of study taught in the private higher educational institutions.

(3) In the case of students who are citizens of Malaysia, a pass in the subjects determined by the Registrar General under subsection (1), at a level determined by the Registrar General, shall be a prerequisite to the award of a certificate, diploma or degree of the private higher educational institution or of any University, University College, higher educational institution, whether public or private, or professional body, within or outside Malaysia, consequent upon a course of study or training programme conducted by the private higher educational institution jointly or in affiliation, association or collaboration with such University, University College, higher educational institution or professional body.

*emphasis is my own

Interpret as you think fit. Imo citizens of Malaysia must pass the required LAN subjects. Failure to do so would mean the LPQB may not recognise your qualifications. Question now is whether they check.

I would emphasize on "jointly or in affiliation, association or collaboration"

The programme referred to is neither. Well at least that is my case. *winks*

Then again, I wouldn't want to take my chances on it if there is an easier way out.

Just take the LAN subject

Hello people ! I just started my UK Degree Transfer Programme LLB with HELP University College and I would like to ask a few questions on my future as a legal practitioner.

Currently, I'm planning to do a 2+1 LLB whereby I switch to either Cardiff U or the University of Liverpool in my third year.
A fellow coursemate of mine said that it would be harder for me to get a job in the UK if I only did a year in a UK university and advised me to do both my second year and third year in UK. Is this true ? Would two years of studying at a UK university instead of one year really affect my job prospects in the future? Would I get the same LLB degree if I finished my third year in the University of Liverpool as a person who did both his second and third year in Liverpool ?

Finally, I'd like to ask how much are the fees to study the BVC in the UK ?

Sorry for my n00bie questions, and replies would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

This post has been edited by dayak_warrior: Jan 11 2010, 11:12 PM

As the programme referred to is at degree level, makes me wonder what pre u prog the student enrolled in prior to llb. If he did ALE for example but was given his ALE certs despite not completing his LAN somehow, then there might be a prob, if the LPQB checks. Furthermore, if institutions are only allowed to offer the UOL LLB upon prior approval from UOL itself, can it be considered a course or training prog conducted...in affiliation or in association with UOL especially noting that institutions are given awards upon students performances.

It also doesnt help that UOL has recognised institutions like ATC as "Affiliate Centre"

http://www.londonexternal.ac.uk/onlinesear...o?profile=16118

"In the case of students who are citizens of Malaysia, a pass in the subjects determined by the Registrar General under subsection (1)...shall be a prerequisite to the award of a certificate, diploma or degree...of any University...whether public or private...within or outside Malaysia, consequent upon a course of study or training programme conducted by the private higher educational institution...in affiliation, association or collaboration with such...higher educational institution..."


Anyway, im with schizo, just do it!! [U]

Thanks alsree786 and schizophrenic for your feedback. The thing is if one is a private candidate with no affiliation with any institution, this LAN thing should not apply right?

This post has been edited by kewlgien: Jan 14 2010, 11:00 AM

yes, in that case it should clearly not apply.

No one able to answer my inquiries ?

Currently, I'm planning to do a 2+1 LLB whereby I switch to either Cardiff U or the University of Liverpool in my third year.
A fellow coursemate of mine said that it would be harder for me to get a job in the UK if I only did a year in a UK university and advised me to do both my second year and third year in UK. Is this true ?

Well in general unless you have exceptional academic results, you might attract local employers. If otherwise, may be an up-hill challenge.

Would two years of studying at a UK university instead of one year really affect my job prospects in the future? Would I get the same LLB degree if I finished my third year in the University of Liverpool as a person who did both his second and third year in Liverpool ?


if your implying about recognition of a degree i.e. Cardiff or Liverpool, probably in Malaysia it might make some difference, in addition to those requirements a good result would help especially in the UK.

it wouldnt be any different if you studied 1+2 or 2+1, in any case a good result would or might get you through the door but not necessary a job.

Why?
Immigrants cost more to employ i.e. permits and all.
Language barrier
Don't forget, your not the only person studying law. There are tonnes of other British law grads, so expect competition to be tough.


Finally, I'd like to ask how much are the fees to study the BVC in the UK ?

Sorry for my n00bie questions, and replies would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Applicable to Cardiff.

BVC = 11,000 pounds or more for fees alone. (fees posted here may be outdated, i left cardiff in 2005.)

I'd agree that chances of getting a job in the UK are very slim. But I think the chances will be slightly higher if you do a 1+2. The extra year in the UK means more time and opportunities to do a mini-pupillage/vac scheme, which in turn would increase your chance of getting a job.

Whether that slightly higher chance is worth the cost of spending another year there is another thing.

This post has been edited by wornbook: Jan 17 2010, 10:26 AM

I had just completed my SPM Exam on the last December and I am waiting for my result nw ...
I plan to do Law but I don't know is STPM better or A level better ?
I heard that STPM is very hard...
Can you give me some advices about pre u studies ?
Which private college is better ?
ATC or BAC ?
I really very confused nw ...
Is the law degree frm MMU recognised in SG ?
And what is the differences between the law degree that offer in MMU and ATC or BAC ?
Is the CLP exam very hard to pass ?
How to pratice law in SG ?
Thanks ~

My advice think and think again before taking law it is not an easy course because once you start the ball rolling you got to commit all you got to it . Why limit yourself to only two private colleges ? Atc or Bac there is other institution which provide better classes and facilities such as help college and taylors college .Do not be fool by goodies and words such as " BAC lies in the heart of kl sentral and it is easily accessible by LRT " that doesn't mean the institution will provide you great service probably in terms of commuting yes it is accessible but in other things it is still lacking .

Let me spill the beans for you just take for example BAC the institutions lack of a counselling office , lacking textbook material that are needed to cover substantial subjects from all these you will be busy pulling your hair out of frustration instead of studying and that is only few of the problems that you MAY encounter.Besides that , you question the difference between Mmu and ATC or Bac ?

Well let me tell you what I know ATC and BAC provide the same law degree well there is a great similarity as both have UK transfer programme and a External programme (UOL). Here is the crucial part while signing up for the Uk programme you will be encountering most of the time assignments and some presentations which is in a way will play a part in your exams in which probably if you do score in these assignments given will make a difference in your final from a B to a D .Unlike the UOL you will be guided and instructed closely with the lecturers compared to the UOL programme which requires you to do a lot of self studying there will be no assignments and minor tests to help you in your exam although you will be assisted by the UOL as they provide you in terms of text book , study packs and finally statutes .

Since you are a fresh graduate I suggest you scout around for every course that is available and then finally make a choice but If you still insist that law is the solely course for you carry on . About mmu law degree ? you should give this post a visit first http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/600496?author=david890701 and from what I can see it is mainly recognise LOCALLY .Most of all give mmu a call or a visit they have two branches and that consist of cyberjaya and melaka.

If you have problem either in deciding the course that you are interested for, I suggest taking a career test which is easily available at Taylors and Help it will help you to pinpoint your interest in areas that you are keen in and hopefully from there you are able to see what area of interest you are interested in. Well not only will the result be available for you they have counsellors to even help you give some advice on the subject matter .

Sincerely from a first year uol student .

This post has been edited by Laguna: Jan 24 2010, 04:50 PM

Thanks for your advices,Laguna...
It really gives me a helping hand in choosing college ...
Frankly speaking...
I don't have a rich family background...
So I heard that BAC and ATC are the colleges that offer LLB (UOL) and the fees are affordable,so I did'nt even think about Taylor and HELP.
I had check that their fees are quite expensive nad I don't think my family can afford it,so I just hope that I can enter either ATC and BAC...
But,never mind thanks for your advices again ...
Ya.. I had read about the post that about MMU,although their degree is only recognise in Malaysia and commanwealth country,but the student who graduated from MMU is exempted from CLP exam,this is the latest news that I get from the counsellor of MMU and I think it is truth.This is a very big advantage because the CLP exam is very hard to pass ....
Yea,I had taken the career test...
My result showed that the area I interested is either law or business ...
Haha...
It is quite accurate !!!
Erm...
Which college are u studying ?

still have nirwana, stamford colllege and mentari school of law running uol llb; not only bac and atc.
Then, y not have a try in STPM? cos... if u r so lucky, u will get accepted in UM faculty of law. so called tuition fees aso very cheap + exempted from taking CLP.
Career test not accurate 1. Ask any psycho degree holder. So called "interesting occupation".... is just ended up as dream. Normally ur 2nd best result from career test would be ur job in life.

Thanks 21j...
I heard STPM is very hard and not every person is so lucky although STPM has many advantages ...
I still can afford A level so I may do A level after I get my SPM result ....
Thanks for your suggestion anyway ....
Erm...
I not really think that lawyer is a interesting occupation...
Actually this is ambition ...
I think it is really challenging and is a very tough career...
Maybe I should also think about other choices...
Thanks..
May I know where are you studying now ?

I am currently studying in BAC^^ anyway if you think that law is your choice then go ahead and about financial problem youcan take ptptn loan for both programs either UOL or Uk transfer .Honestly UOL is challenging but if you persist and keep going you will finally reach there .

This post has been edited by Laguna: Jan 28 2010, 11:17 PM

:-) UM degrees are not exempted from CLP

UM degrees are recognised by the Act and the holder is deemed to be a qualified person.

CLP is merely a prescribed exam by the Qualifying Board under powers conferred by the Act for purposes of those holding a recognised law degree but are not deemed to be a qualified person under the Act or exempted from CLP ( in the sense that their qualification has been recognised by the Qualifying Board as a qualification sufficient to deem the holder a qualified person).

Refer to S.3 (a) and © of the LPA

I have to be this particular so as to ensure prospective law students are aware of what they are getting themselves into.

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Added on January 28, 2010, 10:36 amAlhough not published by MMU, their LL.B has been given conditional acceptance by the Qualifying Board.

However, one of the conditions would be for their graduates to attend an additional course during their period of pupillage. Failure to do so would result in them not being eligible to be called to the Malaysian Bar. This is presumably(by me) done with an objection by the Bar Council to their call.

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Added on January 28, 2010, 10:43 amDo expect to work hard for UOL. If you fail to achieve at least a second class, your degree will not be recognised by the Qualifying Board.

I've seen a lot of friends who are very disappointed due to a 3rd class. So do keep that in mind.

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Added on January 28, 2010, 10:48 amIn this regard, do note that under Tier 1 PSW visa, you will have to rely on a full time degree (whether baccalaureus or magister) and not your BPTC which essentially is a PG Diploma.



This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Jan 28 2010, 10:48 AM

Wow, it has been months i didnt sign in and leave a comment here. hehehe....
Hi, rayie101, BAC and ATC has got some differences though. As far as i know, ATC offers only UOL external program which they have been doing rather well but not really UK transfer as in those who offering it will have some partner universities for students to choose, eg, HELP, BAC, INTI...

Are you planning to do UK transfer degree ?

i couldn`t access into Malaysian Bar website.
Website has been blocked.