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University Useful information for prospective law students, A basic guide to become a lawyer

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post Dec 15 2009, 11:48 AM

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Intead of the dreaded outdated CLP, they should revamp.. and hopefully succeed in revamping the CLP programme. Its like memorising regurgitating Pendidikan Morals doesnt make one of high moral standing.

My sister was disappointed with the system and decided to stay in NZ to practice. Now she is transfered to England as a upcoming criminal lawyer in their legal system, and i doubt she will return to MY. =( miss her.

Unlike her, i will be returning ... but i really dread the CLP... I would love to practice in the West as family has a firm there, but i think i will return to the East and get called to the bar there then.

Actually LLB is my 2nd paper, felt so diff to my B.Eng.

Good luck to those who are going to sit the dreaded CLP and progressing Law Students. Many instances of A+ students who fail miserable as a litigating lawyer when a C+ student succeeds in litigation.

So dont feel down or bad. Some are measured by grades, some are measured by ability. Whatever it is, be the best that u are good at and you will succeed. And never give up never feel down.



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post Dec 15 2009, 12:42 PM

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From what i had heard from some lawyers in east malaysia,CLP is regarded as useless,no standard at all.But i do not intend mean that.I'm not sure whether gaining an aussie degree and a practising certificate from australia is better than UK degree+CLP if i want to practice in sarawak.BPTC would be hard to enter in future.

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post Dec 15 2009, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(edennature @ Dec 15 2009, 12:42 PM)
From what i had heard from some lawyers in east malaysia,CLP is regarded as useless,no standard at all.But i do not intend mean that.I'm not sure whether gaining an aussie degree and a practising certificate from australia is better than UK degree+CLP if i want to practice in sarawak.BPTC would be hard to enter in future.
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better in what sense? getting a job? preparation for practice?
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post Dec 16 2009, 08:49 AM

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all aspects i think?i also think that CLP is useless~~

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post Dec 17 2009, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(jordanhwong @ Dec 16 2009, 08:49 AM)
all aspects i think?i also think that CLP is useless~~
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Useless but for external student, is a must... i am stuck in clp now.. shakehead.gif
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post Dec 17 2009, 09:25 PM

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well,waiting for CBC to be implemented needs 4-5years.
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post Dec 18 2009, 02:40 AM

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Just wondering if there is any forums or sites specifically made for "law".
I'm a first year going into my 2nd sem, and I personally think I should improve my knowledge in this field, english and also in the current issue(world, nation, and etc.)
So I figured I should start ASAP. Any suggestion?
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post Dec 21 2009, 07:10 PM

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what if you were to study law in france?

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edennature
post Dec 21 2009, 08:27 PM

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france's law degree is not recognized
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post Dec 21 2009, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(edennature @ Dec 21 2009, 08:27 PM)
france's law degree is not recognized
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Which countries are recognized aside from UK and AUS?
edennature
post Dec 22 2009, 07:12 AM

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Added on December 24, 2009, 2:13 pmhow to join the AG's Chamber?

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post Dec 24 2009, 06:52 PM

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Hi guys, I have a question. I hope you can assist me.

Currently I am doing UOL Inter - exams will be on May 2010.

I am considering to switch to University of Melbourne after my Inter.

I have checked that Aust subjects are different from UK.

Am I able to get subjects exemption from the Aussie U?

Thks
edennature
post Dec 24 2009, 07:48 PM

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no,i think.
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post Dec 27 2009, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Dec 6 2009, 02:01 AM)
yea, if you intend to read law in the future, it would be good to take law at A levels tho not required. It'll give you a slight insight into law and I would think your combination is fine. Taking law at A levels would only prove disadvantageous if you go on and do med or engineering or something unrelated but otherwise it's fine imo.
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Thank you for the advice. [: I spoke to a law lecturer in HELP University College & she told me law was an alright subject, though she had difficulties teaching some students in the sense that they slacked thinking that A levels Law & first year law is similar & thus they started slacking.

Spoke to my cousin studying in KCL & she said she applied to a bunch of universities & as far as she knows only LSE BL'd Law.

QUOTE(wornbook @ Dec 7 2009, 03:12 PM)
English Lit and Econs are both 'tough' subjects. Law is regarded as a 'soft' subject by some of the top English unis (LSE has even blacklisted it). I believe Accounting is also considered 'soft', but don't quote me on that one.

Seems like 2 hard and 1 (or 2) soft is acceptable for entry into the top unis, provided you get the results. But you need to do some research. Try this forum. It's for Brit students, but it'll give you a good idea.
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Yeah, looked around & cross-checked a few lists & accounts is indeed quite "soft".
About two lists had categorized accounts as "only suitable for 4th subject". Ugh.

Either way I'm lucky I read your post before confirming my subjects.
I'll be switching to Mathematics instead. 3 hard & 1 soft "limited suitability" subject, that should be enough.
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consider physics or something. You'll be surprised that they tend to prefer such subjects for entry into under grad law these days.

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Yeah, I've heard about that as well.
Since Science subjects teach students to be more analytical etc, but to be quite honest I'm sick of learning and memorizing science related info at secondary level!

I'm just trying to find a balance between subjects that are traditionally accepted & playing to my strengths. :[

Which is quite hard. I like the sound of Philosophy, went through some of the online revision notes of it, and even though its one of the "hardest" subjects out there, it sounds like something I'd enjoy. I haven't found a college that offers it as a subject locally though. :[

I'll be attending HUC jan intake, & they offer 10 subjects for a levels, 5 Arts & 5 Science: Maths, Further Maths, Physics, Chem, Bio, Accounts, Econs, Law, Eng Lit, & Applied ICT.

I know I won't be taking any of the three SC subjects lest I want to get a bad grade in them, & out of the 5 Arts subjects 3 are considered soft. :[ Eliminating subjects here & there I'm left with Maths.
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post Dec 29 2009, 08:04 PM

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BSB aptitude test in doubt after OFT dig

The Bar Standard Board’s (BSB) plan to introduce a compulsory aptitude test for entry onto the BVC has been thrown into disarray after the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) dubbed the move anticompetitive.

The test, recommended in a July 2008 report by the BVC working party chaired by Derek Wood QC of ­Falcon Chambers, was intended to be rolled out as part of the BSB’s wider plans, which will see the BVC replaced by the Bar Professional Training Course (BPTC) in the autumn of 2010.

The aim of the test was to filter out students who do not have a realistic chance of passing the year-long course and thereby close the gap between the number of students undertaking the BVC and the number of pupillages.
But in its report the OFT said it favoured a voluntary aptitude test, as restricting pupils entering the BVC will ultimately lead to “decreased quality and ­availability and increased prices in the final market for advocacy services.”

The BSB said in a ­statement: “[The BSB is] currently developing the aptitude test. We have received comments from the Office of Fair Trading and will respond to the Ministry of Justice in due course. In developing the aptitude test, we are taking steps to consult extensively. The test will be piloted before it is put into use as an admission requirement for the Bar Course.”

The number of students enrolling on the BVC rose from 1,406 to 1,827 between 2003 and 2008, but the number of pupillages fell between 2004 and 2007 to fewer than 500 per year.

I hope the test is not compulsory for all students who opt to take BPTC

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post Dec 31 2009, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(wongjy @ Dec 27 2009, 11:45 AM)
Thank you for the advice. [: I spoke to a law lecturer in HELP University College & she told me law was an alright subject, though she had difficulties teaching some students in the sense that they slacked thinking that A levels Law & first year law is similar & thus they started slacking.

Spoke to my cousin studying in KCL & she said she applied to a bunch of universities & as far as she knows only LSE BL'd Law. 
Yeah, looked around & cross-checked a few lists & accounts is indeed quite "soft".
About two lists had categorized accounts as "only suitable for 4th subject". Ugh. 

Either way I'm lucky I read your post before confirming my subjects.
I'll be switching to Mathematics instead. 3 hard & 1 soft "limited suitability" subject, that should be enough.

Yeah, I've heard about that as well.
Since Science subjects teach students to be more analytical etc, but to be quite honest I'm sick of learning and memorizing science related info at secondary level!

I'm just trying to find a balance between subjects that are traditionally accepted & playing to my strengths. :[

Which is quite hard. I like the sound of Philosophy, went through some of the online revision notes of it, and even though its one of the "hardest" subjects out there, it sounds like something I'd enjoy. I haven't found a college that offers it as a subject locally though. :[

I'll be attending HUC jan intake, & they offer 10 subjects for a levels, 5 Arts & 5 Science: Maths, Further Maths, Physics, Chem, Bio, Accounts, Econs, Law, Eng Lit, & Applied ICT.

I know I won't be taking any of the three SC subjects lest I want to get a bad grade in them, & out of the 5 Arts subjects 3 are considered soft. :[ Eliminating subjects here & there I'm left with Maths.
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You're welcome.

It's a pity that Malaysian students are restricted to what subjects they can take (and like you said, too many 'soft' one). I hear that the unis relax their admission standards slightly for international students though. But I wouldn't count on that. Aim for the stars and if you fail, you'll still land on the trees. Cliche as it sounds, it's true.

Maths sounds good. Complements economics nicely too.

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post Dec 31 2009, 08:59 AM

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i wonder why the colleges do not offer traditional subject like history,geography.
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post Jan 1 2010, 05:33 AM

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I had finished my SPM. I'm eager to know whether those local public universities will teach law in English or BM. Somebody told me that local public universities teach in BM because BM is our national language and the students have to translate the contents from English books to BM in order to study. Is it true?

Can I study A level and then read law in local public universities?

Can I go to Science class in Form 6 before reading law in local public universities? My friend told me that she have go to Arts class to study History if she want to read law in local public universities.

How much is the fee to read law in local public universities?

Do I need to continue my study in overseas to complete my law degree if I read law in local public universities?

Can I go to Form 6 and read law in colleges?

What is the difference between university college and college?

Thanks!
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post Jan 1 2010, 10:52 AM

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1.The use of BM language is more frequent so for some subjects you have to translate the contents from english to BM

2.No.Even though UM accepts it,you have a very low chance to enter its faculty.

3.No,the subjects you studied during form 6 should relate to the course you want to pursue in future.you don't have go to the science class unless you opt to be a doctor,scientist,etc

4.The fees is definitely cheaper than overseas unis

5.No such thing..

6.Yes,you can read law at colleges after form 6.

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post Jan 6 2010, 08:57 AM

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Hi. I am currently doing UOL LLB Programme. I was told by my institution that it is compulsory for us to take LAN subjects in order to sit for CLP. It doesn't make sense to me, as far as I am concerned, accreditation by LAN are merely regulations the institution is bound to comply. It should not affect us students. Care to comment?

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