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post Jun 10 2008, 10:11 AM

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Great thread, very informative. Should be pinned for future reference.

QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Jun 9 2008, 11:06 PM)
Admission into the US - refer to the state bar association. Normally require a person to possess a Juris Doctor (JD) from an accredited institution by the ABA. Else, a person with a foreign recognised law degree could take a LLM from an accredited institution. Both routes would require the person to sit for the state bar examination depending on which jurisdiction the person intend to practice.
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Just to add:- the New York and California State Bars are the only exceptions. Holders of foreign law degrees are eligible for the state bar exams without an ABA accredited LLM.
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post Jul 9 2008, 08:08 AM

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Since you're planning to go overseas, don't do Matriculation. It's not as widely recognised as STPM or A'Levels, so you'll be narrowing down your choices of universities.
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post Jul 26 2008, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Jul 25 2008, 09:15 PM)
LLD = Legum Doctor or Legum Doctorate.
A Doctorate in Laws. Not all Unis label their Doctorate with LL.D. Some use phd and some use DPhil.
an LLB is a baccalaureus degree.
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In many unis, LLD is an honorary degree.
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post Aug 10 2008, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(max2827 @ Aug 10 2008, 03:13 AM)
Hi there...
sorry to disturb...i'm here just to help a friend who is bz doing assignments...
I have 3 questions here:

1:what is the effect to CIL if the state depart from it?

2:how does it affect CIL due to the departure of the states?

3.how and when can the states depart from CIL?

CIL is Customary International Law...

Hope anybody can help me find the answer as soon as possible...
Really need help...
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Tell your friend to do his/her own research. Those aren't massively difficult questions. Just get a a good international law textbook.
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post Sep 15 2008, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(ayie1984 @ Sep 15 2008, 01:04 PM)
Practice under judge? Never heard before. AFAIK, you can work as a magistrate and your contract will be running for 2 years. Sometimes they will rotate you with the Registrar.
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In some countries, top law grads go on to work as judge's clerks for a couple of years. There's tough competition for the spots and only the best get it. Not sure if Malaysia has a similar system.
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post Sep 26 2008, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(history-maker @ Sep 24 2008, 09:50 AM)
Hi..
I'm planning to do law. im thinking of doing it in new zealand.any comments?
i might want to work in singapore in the future. but malaysia will still be my choice. i checked that doing twinning to uk cant let me work in sinagpore.
as for finances, i can afford to go all 3 years in uk.
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New Zealand - not recommended if you're going to be paying international fees. Entry into 2nd year law in NZ is competitive based on 1st year grades. 1000 students might do 1st year, but only about 200 will make it into 2nd year. There's always the option of transferring to a 'lesser' university, but why do through all the agony in the 1st place?

If you do want to work in Spore with an NZ LLB, you need to pick your uni carefully. I believe Spore only recognises 2 NZ unis for law (out of 5) - Auckland and Victoria.
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post Sep 26 2008, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(history-maker @ Sep 26 2008, 03:51 PM)
is not that i want an nz Llb.just that i want to work in sinagapore.and twinning cant let me do that. and i dont think i can afford to study in uk.any other options?? or any cheap uni in uk.. incluing cost of living is average to a total of??
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Try for NUS? Or one of the IPTAs?
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post Sep 27 2008, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Sep 26 2008, 09:13 PM)
is not easy to get into NUS, fyi  smile.gif
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I am well aware of that. It just seems to me that he has given up before he's even tried.

QUOTE(history-maker @ Sep 26 2008, 10:00 PM)
yup..=)
thats the main prob.haha.
i really dont know wats my plan..arrgggh.
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I'm assuming you're in Form 5 now. The situation here is that you can't afford to do a full 3-year degree in the UK (and probably anywhere else - NZ and Aus aren't cheap either).If you really really really want to practice law in Singapore, you have one real option. Do STPM/A'Levels and study your butt off. Get into NUS or alternatively UM/UKM (I believe they're recognised).

There's no point moaning about how hard it is to get somewhere and not knowing what to do with your plans. The first step of any plan you make should be to really really really study HARD. Even if you do go to NZ to study law, you'll still have to work your butt off to get into 2nd year. If you want to go places, there's no easy way.
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post Jan 18 2009, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(mayoketchup @ Jan 14 2009, 08:11 PM)
Is there any way to become a lawyer in the US?
As in after degree can we still go to the US and practice?
But most of the degree programs is either done fully locally or involves a transfer to certain universities in UK or Aus,so if I've done a degree with transfer to UK/Aus can i still go to US?

I'm currently doing A levels
hope you understand what i'm trying to say
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Generally to practice law in the US, you need a JD (Juris Doctor) from an approved ABA (American Bar Association) institution. Failing that, you can do an ABA-approved LLM, which means you need an ordinary law degree first.

The exceptions are the State Bars of California and New York - they accept foreign law degrees. But you'll still need to pass the Bar exams AND find a job there, which is no mean feat.
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post Feb 13 2009, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(yanniieee @ Feb 13 2009, 02:32 PM)
UM got LLB? I thought I mentioned this earlier but they said UM is not LLB?
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UM offers 2 different types of law degrees:
LLB - internal, 4 years, exempt from CLP
B. Juris - external, 3 years, have to take CLP if you want to practice law.

B. Juris is basically the LLB minus the final professional year.

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post Mar 3 2009, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(BabySmurfy @ Feb 26 2009, 08:38 PM)
will i be able to go for University of Melbourne's JD Law program after completing SAM in Taylor's?and also what will be the ideal TER to get into University of Melbourne's JD program.
Thanks in advance smile.gif
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No. The JD is a graduate programme so you'll need a Bachelor's degree first.
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post Jun 2 2009, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Jun 2 2009, 10:51 AM)
I guess this is a good time for me to plead res ipsa.
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Res ipsa loquitar?
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post Sep 7 2009, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Seremban_2 @ Sep 6 2009, 08:24 PM)
I am currently taking 1st Year Law and by the time I finish my 3rd year Law I would be 29 years old. Do you think I should go for LPC then if I able to get through then I go BVC. By that time I will be 31 years old.

What do you think ? Which is more important LPC & BVC or Working Experience?

I heard from friends who did LPC that LPC Syllabus do learn about Accounts, Client Account and Office Account.

Is it true?
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There's no point doing the LPC and the BVC. Pick one or the other.

The LPC is a solicitor's route (England and Wales).
BVC is a barrister's route (England and Wales).

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post Oct 18 2009, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(pianolife @ Oct 6 2009, 02:57 PM)
erm...
if i want to work at US that's mean i must take the law programme in US ?
law school in US is a graduate course ...
so ... if i wanna work at US
can i study law in malaysia?
then transfer to US?
it's a huge question for me ...
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For most states in the US, you'll have to do an LLM in an institution recognised by the American Bar Association. This applies to all foreign law degrees, not just Malaysian.

Last time I checked, the state Bars of California and New York did not have this requirement. Not sure if that's still the case.
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post Nov 28 2009, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(teh tarik kurang manis @ Nov 26 2009, 07:10 PM)
I will be getting my LLB(hons) from victoria university in New Zealand soon. I want to work in Malaysia, but I dread having to go through CLP and 9 months pupillage. It takes only 3 months to do the professional legal training course in NZ, after which I can get admitted as barrister and solicitor in NZ. My question is, can I find decent legal work in Malaysia if I get admitted to the NZ bar without having to go through CLP and pupillage? I know that for Sabah and Sarawak, CLP isn't required, but I grew up in West Msia and have never set foot in East Msia before. What're the chances that they'll allow me to practice there? Thanks!
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Very low. I believe you need to be a citizen or PR of Sabah or Sarawak to practice there.
Imagine the number of West Malaysians who would be flooding the East otherwise, all trying to avoid CLP.

The NZ profs are not recognised in West Malaysia. You'll be on equal footing with any graduate who has no CLP. On a side note, NZ must have one of the world's easiest professional legal course. rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(fuchunkuzhi @ Nov 27 2009, 07:36 PM)
besides of australia, i wish to switch to New zealand as well as i know that the money rate is not as higher as aus. but anyone can pls tell me which uni in newzealand is recognised? so that i can move on to my research. thanks.. i need it quite in a rush. thanks for anyone who can kindly list me down the newzealand uni which can be recognised here in sabah and sarawak.
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Google?

Though it's worth considering this: - Singapore only recognises Uni of Auckland and Victoria Uni of Wellington's LLBs. So if you think you might want to work in Singapore in the future...

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post Nov 29 2009, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(teh tarik kurang manis @ Nov 28 2009, 07:11 PM)
Thanks wornbook. I know of someone who did her profs in NZ and went back to Singapore to work as an associate lawyer or sth. She's doing pretty well even though she didn't go thru the Singapore legal training and hence isn't qualified as a lawyer in Singapore. She's a singaporean citizen though. Guess I was hoping that there'd be stuff like that to do in Malaysia too. I would consider working in Singapore, but I'm not a Singaporean PR nor citizen. Anyone have any idea if they welcome Malaysians in the legal profession over there?
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I know someone who did the same - just went back this year. I hear she's planning to qualify for the Singapore Bar as well though. Doesn't hurt to have more options.

I'm not sure how it'll work for Malaysians in Singapore. But from how easy it is from Malaysians to find jobs/get PR there, I don't think it'll be impossible.
Anyway, I guess you could always work as a legal associate in Malaysia. Or an in-house counsel.

What about trying NZ? The market is tough, but it could be worth a shot.

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post Dec 7 2009, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(wongjy @ Dec 5 2009, 06:04 PM)
Planning to take econs, accounts, law, and english lit for A levels.
Considering subbing accounts for business.
Heard that Law @ A levels is a "soft" subject. Is it still worth taking? :/
I do want to study about it in A levels, but if it proves disadvantageous then..
Wanted to take history for A levels as well but I can't find any colleges offering it as a subject.

Looking to study law in UK after the 1.5 years.

Are my chosen subjects a good combination?
I know english lit and econs are staple subjects.
I'm not too sure about the rest.
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English Lit and Econs are both 'tough' subjects. Law is regarded as a 'soft' subject by some of the top English unis (LSE has even blacklisted it). I believe Accounting is also considered 'soft', but don't quote me on that one.

Seems like 2 hard and 1 (or 2) soft is acceptable for entry into the top unis, provided you get the results. But you need to do some research. Try this forum. It's for Brit students, but it'll give you a good idea.

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post Dec 31 2009, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(wongjy @ Dec 27 2009, 11:45 AM)
Thank you for the advice. [: I spoke to a law lecturer in HELP University College & she told me law was an alright subject, though she had difficulties teaching some students in the sense that they slacked thinking that A levels Law & first year law is similar & thus they started slacking.

Spoke to my cousin studying in KCL & she said she applied to a bunch of universities & as far as she knows only LSE BL'd Law. 
Yeah, looked around & cross-checked a few lists & accounts is indeed quite "soft".
About two lists had categorized accounts as "only suitable for 4th subject". Ugh. 

Either way I'm lucky I read your post before confirming my subjects.
I'll be switching to Mathematics instead. 3 hard & 1 soft "limited suitability" subject, that should be enough.

Yeah, I've heard about that as well.
Since Science subjects teach students to be more analytical etc, but to be quite honest I'm sick of learning and memorizing science related info at secondary level!

I'm just trying to find a balance between subjects that are traditionally accepted & playing to my strengths. :[

Which is quite hard. I like the sound of Philosophy, went through some of the online revision notes of it, and even though its one of the "hardest" subjects out there, it sounds like something I'd enjoy. I haven't found a college that offers it as a subject locally though. :[

I'll be attending HUC jan intake, & they offer 10 subjects for a levels, 5 Arts & 5 Science: Maths, Further Maths, Physics, Chem, Bio, Accounts, Econs, Law, Eng Lit, & Applied ICT.

I know I won't be taking any of the three SC subjects lest I want to get a bad grade in them, & out of the 5 Arts subjects 3 are considered soft. :[ Eliminating subjects here & there I'm left with Maths.
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You're welcome.

It's a pity that Malaysian students are restricted to what subjects they can take (and like you said, too many 'soft' one). I hear that the unis relax their admission standards slightly for international students though. But I wouldn't count on that. Aim for the stars and if you fail, you'll still land on the trees. Cliche as it sounds, it's true.

Maths sounds good. Complements economics nicely too.

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post Jan 17 2010, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 17 2010, 06:00 AM)
if your implying about recognition of a degree i.e. Cardiff or Liverpool, probably in Malaysia it might make some difference, in addition to those requirements a good result would help especially in the UK.

it wouldnt be any different if you studied 1+2 or 2+1, in any case a good result would or might get you through the door but not necessary a job.
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I'd agree that chances of getting a job in the UK are very slim. But I think the chances will be slightly higher if you do a 1+2. The extra year in the UK means more time and opportunities to do a mini-pupillage/vac scheme, which in turn would increase your chance of getting a job.

Whether that slightly higher chance is worth the cost of spending another year there is another thing.

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In this regard, do note that under Tier 1 PSW visa, you will have to rely on a full time degree (whether baccalaureus or magister) and not your BPTC which essentially is a PG Diploma.
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Out of curiosity, what is you go down the solicitor's route? Can you take up a training contract on a Tier 1 PSW?

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