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finaltrooper
post Dec 6 2009, 01:22 AM

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hi everybody. i'd like to know if some of u here know abt the King's College scholarship which is awarded annually to a msian who is undertaking the UoL LLb external degree, and obtained the highest score in the intermediate exam.

i'd like to know, if the result of ur a-level exam will affect application of this scholarship. As in, will they still award u the scholarship if u've obtained best score in the intermediate exam, but yet u've gotten bad results for ur a-levels, say, not AA
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post Dec 6 2009, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(wongjy @ Dec 5 2009, 06:04 PM)
Planning to take econs, accounts, law, and english lit for A levels.
Considering subbing accounts for business.
Heard that Law @ A levels is a "soft" subject. Is it still worth taking? :/
I do want to study about it in A levels, but if it proves disadvantageous then..
Wanted to take history for A levels as well but I can't find any colleges offering it as a subject.

Looking to study law in UK after the 1.5 years.

Are my chosen subjects a good combination?
I know english lit and econs are staple subjects.
I'm not too sure about the rest.
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yea, if you intend to read law in the future, it would be good to take law at A levels tho not required. It'll give you a slight insight into law and I would think your combination is fine. Taking law at A levels would only prove disadvantageous if you go on and do med or engineering or something unrelated but otherwise it's fine imo.


QUOTE(finaltrooper @ Dec 6 2009, 01:22 AM)
hi everybody. i'd like to know if some of u here know abt the King's College scholarship which is awarded annually to a msian who is undertaking the UoL LLb external degree, and obtained the highest score in the intermediate exam.

i'd like to know, if the result of ur a-level exam will affect application of this scholarship. As in, will they still award u the scholarship if u've obtained best score in the intermediate exam, but yet u've gotten bad results for ur a-levels, say, not AA
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no, your a level results are not important. they will only consider your intermediate results.
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post Dec 6 2009, 03:15 PM

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i would like to ask what are the differences between university of london external programme for law and internal law programme in university of london such as queen mary university in uk?
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post Dec 7 2009, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(wongjy @ Dec 5 2009, 06:04 PM)
Planning to take econs, accounts, law, and english lit for A levels.
Considering subbing accounts for business.
Heard that Law @ A levels is a "soft" subject. Is it still worth taking? :/
I do want to study about it in A levels, but if it proves disadvantageous then..
Wanted to take history for A levels as well but I can't find any colleges offering it as a subject.

Looking to study law in UK after the 1.5 years.

Are my chosen subjects a good combination?
I know english lit and econs are staple subjects.
I'm not too sure about the rest.
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English Lit and Econs are both 'tough' subjects. Law is regarded as a 'soft' subject by some of the top English unis (LSE has even blacklisted it). I believe Accounting is also considered 'soft', but don't quote me on that one.

Seems like 2 hard and 1 (or 2) soft is acceptable for entry into the top unis, provided you get the results. But you need to do some research. Try this forum. It's for Brit students, but it'll give you a good idea.

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post Dec 7 2009, 06:23 PM

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if i do not take family law/succession module during my LLB degree,can i practice as family lawyer in future?what difficulties will i meet?

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post Dec 7 2009, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(edennature @ Dec 7 2009, 10:23 AM)
if i do not take family law/succession module during my LLB degree,can i practice as family lawyer in future?what difficulties will i meet?
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No time to give reasons
in short, yes you can.

no difficulties as long as you are willing to work for it.


Added on December 7, 2009, 10:12 pm
QUOTE(minshuen @ Dec 6 2009, 07:15 AM)
i would like to ask what are the differences between university of london external programme for law and internal law programme in university of london such as queen mary university in uk?
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for you to understand the difference, you must 1st understand what is university of london - a federation of independent colleges/universities

queen mary is one of them.

as an external, you are awarded the uol's degree as an external student


as an internal, subject to your individual college's constitution and policy, you may be awarded with its own degree and not the uol's degree.

Naturally, internal is a lot harder to get into... comparatively with external


Added on December 7, 2009, 10:12 pm
QUOTE(finaltrooper @ Dec 5 2009, 05:22 PM)
hi everybody. i'd like to know if some of u here know abt the King's College scholarship which is awarded annually to a msian who is undertaking the UoL LLb external degree, and obtained the highest score in the intermediate exam.

i'd like to know, if the result of ur a-level exam will affect application of this scholarship. As in, will they still award u the scholarship if u've obtained best score in the intermediate exam, but yet u've gotten bad results for ur a-levels, say, not AA
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it matters not the last i checked.


Added on December 7, 2009, 10:14 pm
QUOTE(wongjy @ Dec 5 2009, 10:04 AM)
Planning to take econs, accounts, law, and english lit for A levels.
Considering subbing accounts for business.
Heard that Law @ A levels is a "soft" subject. Is it still worth taking? :/
I do want to study about it in A levels, but if it proves disadvantageous then..
Wanted to take history for A levels as well but I can't find any colleges offering it as a subject.

Looking to study law in UK after the 1.5 years.

Are my chosen subjects a good combination?
I know english lit and econs are staple subjects.
I'm not too sure about the rest.
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consider physics or something. You'll be surprised that they tend to prefer such subjects for entry into under grad law these days.

:-)

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post Dec 7 2009, 11:02 PM

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Hi !

I have question .

if an Asasi Undang Undang UiTM (KPTM) student pass with excellent result , can they continue to do the LLB at UM ?

and some said that UM is the best place(public university) to pursue law degree ?

thanks

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Hi,

I need some clarity on a really muddy issue. I am a Marine Engineer with a professional licence. I have an academic diploma in Marine Engineering from PUO, and of course I have served in the Maritime Industry for close to 18 years.

1) How do I check my eligibility to sit for LLB and CLP ?
2) What would be the pertinent and or salient point for me to note when I attend open days and or talks especially if I am set on pursuing a career in law ?

3) An area of expertise which I am particularly keen on is Admiralty ? How would you suggest I pursue this ?

4) As I am realitively mature, where and or how would I pursue this - LLB and CLP?

5) By reading the entries in the forum, I gather that we need to get LLB prior to CLP, however as you have mentioned that the Graduate Entry Route may not be recognised by LPQB, how do I get an approval to undertake this tasks ?

6) Your reply is highly appreciated.

Thanks

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post Dec 10 2009, 06:12 AM

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QUOTE(QD_buyer @ Dec 8 2009, 12:02 AM)
Hi !

I have question .

if an Asasi Undang Undang UiTM (KPTM) student pass with excellent result , can they continue to do the LLB at UM ?

and some said that UM is the best place(public university) to pursue law degree ?

thanks
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Lol that sounds like taking my footsteps. Im 2008/2009 kptm student and now doing my LLB at UM. Yes UM is widely regarded as the best law school in Malaysia. Just to name one lawyer whose from this faculty, karpal singh. enough said. come and join me at UM biggrin.gif
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post Dec 10 2009, 10:02 AM

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i want to practice in sarawak in future.Between Australia and UK,which country is better?If i go to UK,i might fail to secure a BPTC place and have to come back to do CLP.However if i pursue my degree in australia,i can straight away apply for pupilage as long as i admit as Barrister@solicitor of the supreme court of any state in australia.Is it a wise choice to go to australia?
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post Dec 10 2009, 11:57 AM

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hi all ex-uol llb intermediate student. Im finding that which topic should be prevail in PUBLIC LAW... I mean those subject should be given extra effort to pass this subject. Basically, is the update news important in putting in the exams..? Im a bit scare when were told "never run out of the fact" and "originality"... these 2 "conditions" always confusing me... for me, originality is sth could not be found in the book... bt sth could not be found in the book will be irrelevant/run out of the fact... So difficult... any advice? Im too tired to study PUBLIC LAW right now, I hope to get the "essence" from the forumer b4 i can reli start with it... Thanks
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post Dec 10 2009, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(edennature @ Dec 10 2009, 10:02 AM)
i want to practice in sarawak in future.Between Australia and UK,which country is better?If i go to UK,i might fail to secure a BPTC place and have to come back to do CLP.However if i pursue my degree in australia,i can straight away apply for pupilage as long as i admit as Barrister@solicitor of the supreme court of any state in australia.Is it a wise choice to go to australia?
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imo

btw australia and uk, being in west malaysia, I'd choose UK hands down for law even though i much prefer australia as a place to spend 4 years of student life. Amongst the reasons why, well, UK has better law schools, much of our laws here are influenced by english principles, a large number of successful lawyers here in malaysia are uk law grads, and im not for open book exams. But since u intend to practice in east malaysia, you have an added benefit which is worth considering. I would honestly say in your situation, go for what you think is best. There is no real drawback of doing an aussie law degree over a uk law degree as long as it's from a reputable and recognised uni (other than cost and duration factors). People can go on and on about how this prog is harder, and that prog better prepares you and what not, but what is important is how you learn and develop yourself and apply what you have learnt in practice.

Just fyi, your Sarawak CM graduated from Adelaide with an LLB.


QUOTE(z21j @ Dec 10 2009, 11:57 AM)
hi all ex-uol llb intermediate student. Im finding that which topic should be prevail in PUBLIC LAW... I mean those subject should be given extra effort to pass this subject. Basically, is the update news important in putting in the exams..? Im a bit scare when were told "never run out of the fact" and "originality"... these 2 "conditions" always confusing me... for me, originality is sth could not be found in the book... bt sth could not be found in the book will be irrelevant/run out of the fact... So difficult... any advice? Im too tired to study PUBLIC LAW right now, I hope to get the "essence" from the forumer b4 i can reli start with it... Thanks
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1) TOPICS which should be given extra effort?

I would like to think that Public law is divided into the major topics and those mosquito topics that seldom come up as questions on their own, but may be relevant to other questions in short paragraphs. Though exam focus changes over time, try to focus on topics like Parliamentary Supremacy, SOP, HRA (which are actually quite easy to score). Other easy to score topics though are not usually considered sure questions are Constitution and EU. I'll elaborate further via pm if time permits. I thought elections and ministerial responsibility were boring.

2) Is updated news important?

YES. Always try to apply the latest cases or at least mention them in your exams. It is always important to be relevant and up to date in the legal field (along with any other industry actually). Furthermore, most of the time, where there have been significant recent changes to the law, the examiners usually use this to develop questions relating to these changes. Hence if you know about the facts of a recent major case, it is likely that you will have to apply it in the exam.

3) Originality

This relates to your own personal opinions and views on the issue at hand. As long as you don't stray out of facts, this is where you get your marks. This is where you have to think out of the box so to speak, sit back and think for yourself, do you think this case has been decided correctly, or whether this reform should have been done another way, or whether this academic is right in saying something. Just because it's not in your book, doesn't mean it cant be relevant. If you feel Dr Ewan Mckendrick or Prof Atiyah or Hillaire Barnett is wrong, just say so and justify it. If you need help in learning how to criticise well, this is where your tutor should be helping you with.

This is my reply for now, hope i helped somewhat.
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post Dec 10 2009, 04:30 PM

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nowadays australia is more expensive than UK in terms of living cost and tuition fees,4 years degree+ 1year practical legal training course cost a lot.So,if i go to australia,tasmanian law degree would be my choice.I also hope to go to UK as there has snow。

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If i dont have CLP can i be a legal advisor? what thread do i need to take ?
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does a lawyer still use law books which are used during LLB degree?What is the benefits for purchasing law reports and journals?Can local graduates use law books which are published in england/australia?

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QUOTE(finaltrooper @ Dec 6 2009, 01:22 AM)
hi everybody. i'd like to know if some of u here know abt the King's College scholarship which is awarded annually to a msian who is undertaking the UoL LLb external degree, and obtained the highest score in the intermediate exam.

i'd like to know, if the result of ur a-level exam will affect application of this scholarship. As in, will they still award u the scholarship if u've obtained best score in the intermediate exam, but yet u've gotten bad results for ur a-levels, say, not AA
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I knew of someone who did not do too well for A-levels but obtained a scholarship to King's based on excellent results in the intermediate exam. As long as the A-level results aren't too bad, it shouldn't be too much of a problem if you did very well for the intermediate.
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You can be legal advisor even without CLP. But most of the company, they are more incline to recruit legal advisor with experience in litigation.
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QUOTE(nlgoh @ Dec 14 2009, 04:27 AM)
You can be legal advisor even without CLP. But most of the company, they are more incline to recruit legal advisor with experience in litigation.
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Also, a person employed in that capacity may only provide such advice to his employer and no one else. This rule is applicable to protect members of the public (perhaps to a certain extent, the rice bowl of members of the bar).

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Added on December 14, 2009, 4:13 pm
QUOTE(alsree786 @ Dec 5 2009, 06:01 PM)
yea, if you intend to read law in the future, it would be good to take law at A levels tho not required. It'll give you a slight insight into law and I would think your combination is fine. Taking law at A levels would only prove disadvantageous if you go on and do med or engineering or something unrelated but otherwise it's fine imo.
no, your a level results are not important. they will only consider your intermediate results.
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LOL

I'd personally not recommend those who intend to take LLB to study A levels law.


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QUOTE(edennature @ Dec 11 2009, 08:44 AM)
does a lawyer still use law books which are used during LLB degree?What is the benefits for purchasing law reports and journals?Can local graduates use law books which are published in england/australia?
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Answer 1: Yes (not all of them but perhaps some of them)
Answer 2: Professional improvement and research
Answer 3: Yes

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post Dec 14 2009, 08:09 PM

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'LOL

I'd personally not recommend those who intend to take LLB to study A levels law.'


Why?even though it is considered as soft subject by Trinity College Cambridge and other top uni,it does provide basic legal foundation to students and also enable the students to get a taste how law looks like.It is 'OK' by top uni as 3rd subject.

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'LOL

I'd personally not recommend those who intend to take LLB to study A levels law.'
Why?even though it is considered as soft subject by Trinity College Cambridge and other top uni,it does provide basic legal foundation to students and also enable the students to get a taste how law looks like.It is 'OK' by top uni as 3rd subject.
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Again, I would like to repeat what i said

It is something i'd personally recommend based on my own experiences. Nothing more.

The main reason being that it does not do well in preparing students to cope or progress into degree level law. Most of the time, I find fellow llb students with a levels law to be a lot more confused comparatively with those without. The worst thing is, they do not realise it.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle5516630.ece

Perhaps this could shed some light.



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