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NatBass
post Mar 12 2010, 07:51 PM

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Greetings..
Um i dont know if this question had been asked before but i would love to know how much does a fresh law graduate earn? Im stuck between medic and law doh.gif
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post Mar 13 2010, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(NatBass @ Mar 12 2010, 11:51 AM)
Greetings..
Um i dont know if this question had been asked before but i would love to know how much does a fresh law graduate earn? Im stuck between medic and law doh.gif
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in malaysia...depends on state and area

between 1.8-4.0k

pupillage would probably provide an allowance of 600-3.5k

all depends.
:=)
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hey, i'm a student who had completed my spm. i've decided to do law for my degree but i've got a few questions to ask.
1) is it really better for me to do a-lvl? i intended to do SAM but a lot of ppl advised me to do a-lvls. they said that i'm might be having difficulties when i want to do BAR in UK after my degree if i take SAM for pre-u. is it true?
2) i don't want to do a-lvl cos' i dun like its studying style. i dun like the idea of having a final examination. i prefer SAM as it had 50% on your assignments/presentations/tests and so on. so can i go for SAM if i want to do law in UK and BAR in UK after that?
3) if i'm really taking a-lvls, i heard a lot of ppl saying that it will be an advantage for me to take traditional subjects, like science subjects even if i'm taking law which has ntg to do with science. i heard that uni prefer students taking science subs in a-lvls in law. is it true? they also said that if i take science subs in a-lvl, i'll have the advantage when i'm applying for a good uni or even scholarships. so shud i take science subs in a-lvls? my prob is i'm not that interested in science.
4) again, i had lotsa ppl telling me that i stand a higher chance of getting a scholarship if i take a-lvl as compared to SAM. is this true?

thanks for answering my questions. i would really appreciate it =))
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post Mar 13 2010, 09:15 PM

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may I ask, beside lawyer, what's the other job scope / prospect for law graduates? i'm SPM 2009 students and I was forced by my parents to study law sweat.gif
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post Mar 13 2010, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(Are_keem @ Mar 13 2010, 09:15 PM)
may I ask, beside lawyer, what's the other job scope / prospect for law graduates? i'm SPM 2009 students and I was forced by my parents to study law sweat.gif
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OMG... this era still have parents forcing their children to learn sth they dislike... so sad.
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post Mar 14 2010, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(z21j @ Mar 13 2010, 11:58 PM)
OMG... this era still have parents forcing their children to learn sth they dislike... so sad.
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unfortunately yes sad.gif
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post Mar 16 2010, 02:02 PM

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Hey there , one more thing.

If i were to do clp hence i can only work in My right?
BAR= my and uk?

So meaning either way i cant work in other countries beside my and uk? rclxub.gif
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post Mar 18 2010, 12:20 AM

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Hey, I am a student in Brickfield Asia College and Part-time Working in a legal Firm. Currently, I am taking a law degree for University of Northumbia 1+2. They let me take up LLB because my entry requirement is Mature Student age 27 and with a standard degree from La Trobe University, Melbourne and approve by LAN. In the Past, After my SPM went straight to Business Foundation in Inti then went to Nilai for my Business Management Degree.

A confuse student.

The Question is am I able to take up CLP without taking A-Level's.

Am I able to be call to the BAR without A'Level's.

Base on my understanding that a mature student and LLB Degree already enough to qualify to take CLP exam and call to the BAR.
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post Mar 19 2010, 12:54 PM

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I dont think u can take CLP without pre-u qualification,correct me if m wrong.
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post Mar 19 2010, 05:58 PM

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I heard that to take CLP u must own A-LEVEL or STPM or Malaysian Matriculation....

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post Mar 20 2010, 02:23 AM

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QUOTE(NatBass @ Mar 12 2010, 07:51 PM)
Greetings..
Um i dont know if this question had been asked before but i would love to know how much does a fresh law graduate earn? Im stuck between medic and law doh.gif
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Lawyers don't really earn much comparatively until they hit partner level... the figures are just about what schizo mentioned above as far as i know... but im unsure about bonuses tho if there are any....


QUOTE(NatBass @ Mar 16 2010, 02:02 PM)
Hey there , one more thing.

If i were to do clp hence i can only work in My right?
BAR= my and uk?

So meaning either way i cant work in other countries beside my and uk? rclxub.gif
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do you see yourself practicing in any other country besides the two above? Each country may have its own specific requirements...
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post Mar 20 2010, 03:24 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Mar 19 2010, 06:23 PM)
Lawyers don't really earn much comparatively until they hit partner level... the figures are just about what schizo mentioned above as far as i know... but im unsure about bonuses tho if there are any....
do you see yourself practicing in any other country besides the two above? Each country may have its own specific requirements...
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LOL, yes there are bonuses. In fact, I know a firm in KL city that actually pay bonuses to pupils.


Added on March 20, 2010, 3:27 am
QUOTE(Seremban_2 @ Mar 17 2010, 04:20 PM)
Hey, I am a student in Brickfield Asia College and Part-time Working in a legal Firm. Currently, I am taking a law degree for University of Northumbia 1+2. They let me take up LLB because my entry requirement is Mature Student age 27 and with a standard degree from La Trobe University, Melbourne and approve by LAN. In the Past, After my SPM went straight to Business Foundation in Inti then went to Nilai for my Business Management Degree.

A confuse student.

The Question is am I able to take up CLP without taking A-Level's.

Am I able to be call to the BAR without A'Level's.

Base on my understanding that a mature student and LLB Degree already enough to qualify to take CLP exam and call to the BAR.
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Get a confirmation from the Qualifying Board that you qualify as a mature student for purposes of sitting for the CLP exams and may be exempted from the pre-u requirements.

:-)

I take it that you never had 5 years working experience in the legal field before enroling for the 1 + 2 twinning programme?


Added on March 20, 2010, 3:30 am
QUOTE(NatBass @ Mar 16 2010, 06:02 AM)
Hey there , one more thing.

If i were to do clp hence i can only work in My right?
BAR= my and uk?

So meaning either way i cant work in other countries beside my and uk? rclxub.gif
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like what alsree said above, it depends on the country's individual requirement. I am referring to the requirements for admission into practice and not whether you are eligible to work in a foreign country.


As regards to the working requirements...

Consider the immigration rules of each country. Being in posession of the qualification does not mean that you are automatically entitled to work.

You need to consider whether you have any leave to remain in addition to whether you have unlimited leave to work.

Example, in UK, you would need a Visa and in HK, you would need a work permit.

So, do consider these factors.


Added on March 20, 2010, 3:32 am
QUOTE(Are_keem @ Mar 13 2010, 01:15 PM)
may I ask, beside lawyer, what's the other job scope / prospect for law graduates? i'm SPM 2009 students and I was forced by my parents to study law sweat.gif
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A lot other opportunities. You can go on and obtain a Masters in a different field. You can venture into different areas. Human Resource, Banking, Legal Exec (subsequently up to Legal Mgr), Compliance Exec, etc.


Added on March 20, 2010, 3:34 am
QUOTE(elaine chong @ Mar 13 2010, 10:35 AM)
hey, i'm a student who had completed my spm. i've decided to do law for my degree but i've got a few questions to ask.
1) is it really better for me to do a-lvl? i intended to do SAM but a lot of ppl advised me to do a-lvls. they said that i'm might be having difficulties when i want to do BAR in UK after my degree if i take SAM for pre-u. is it true?
2) i don't want to do a-lvl cos' i dun like its studying style. i dun like the idea of having a final examination. i prefer SAM as it had 50% on your assignments/presentations/tests and so on. so can i go for SAM if i want to do law in UK and BAR in UK after that?
3) if i'm really taking a-lvls, i heard a lot of ppl saying that it will be an advantage for me to take traditional subjects, like science subjects even if i'm taking law which has ntg to do with science. i heard that uni prefer students taking science subs in a-lvls in law. is it true? they also said that if i take science subs in a-lvl, i'll have the advantage when i'm applying for a good uni or even scholarships. so shud i take science subs in a-lvls? my prob is i'm not that interested in science.
4) again, i had lotsa ppl telling me that i stand a higher chance of getting a scholarship if i take a-lvl as compared to SAM. is this true?

thanks for answering my questions. i would really appreciate it =))
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If you have a qualifying law degree in England and Wales then you will be eligible for the bptc. I know those without a levels but managed to be called to the english bar and subsequently the malaysian bar.

I will not answer question no.3 and no. 4

This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Mar 20 2010, 03:34 AM
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post Mar 20 2010, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(Seremban_2 @ Mar 18 2010, 12:20 AM)
Hey, I am a student in Brickfield Asia College and Part-time Working in a legal Firm. Currently, I am taking a law degree for University of Northumbia 1+2. They let me take up LLB because my entry requirement is Mature Student age 27 and with a standard degree from La Trobe University, Melbourne and approve by LAN. In the Past, After my SPM went straight to Business Foundation in Inti then went to Nilai for my Business Management Degree.

A confuse student.

The Question is am I able to take up CLP without taking A-Level's.

Am I able to be call to the BAR without A'Level's.

Base on my understanding that a mature student and LLB Degree already enough to qualify to take CLP exam and call to the BAR.
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I have ask the coordinator and lecturer, They said ok. I went to get a copy of CLP form stated the entry requirements:

1) Candidates must have minimum 4 credits (including English) for their SPM or Equivalent exam (UEC, GCE'O' Levels and School Certifcate Exam. In Australia, SC Exam in New Zealand and
2) 2 STPM / A Levels principal passes or equivalent in one sitting and
3)Law degree (Min. 12 subjects with 6 core subjects that include Contract, Torts, Constituitional, Criminal, Land, Equity and Trusts.)
-LLB London External

I got the 1), 2) and 3) which I qualify for CLP. The 2) I don't have A Levels but I got a Australia Degree approved by LAN. The word "Equivalent" allows me to qualify.

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QUOTE(Seremban_2 @ Mar 20 2010, 11:16 PM)
I have ask the coordinator and lecturer, They said ok. I went to get a copy of CLP form stated the entry requirements:

1) Candidates must have minimum 4 credits (including English) for their SPM or Equivalent exam (UEC, GCE'O' Levels and School Certifcate Exam. In Australia, SC Exam in New Zealand and
2) 2 STPM / A Levels principal passes or equivalent in one sitting and
3)Law degree (Min. 12 subjects with 6 core subjects that include Contract, Torts, Constituitional, Criminal, Land, Equity and Trusts.)
-LLB London External

I got the 1), 2) and 3) which I qualify for CLP. The 2) I don't have A Levels but I got a Australia Degree approved by LAN. The word "Equivalent" allows me to qualify.

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The word "equivalent" suggests that you require a Pre U programme regarded by the LPQB (not LAN) to be of similar standing to that of the STPM or A level programmes. Degrees/Masters/PHDs do not strictly fall under that category.

Discretion to determine whether you qualify is the LPQB's.

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post Mar 21 2010, 09:52 AM

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Thanks alsree786,

I still need to go and find out with Malaysia BAR and some more lecturers. Many of my part-time class mate age 30++, 40++ and 50++ don't have A'Levels or STPM. I ask them already and they told me as long you come in as mature study for LLB and pass then can go straight to CLP. but that is for Northumbia only. That's make me fee secure with lecture tell me is ok by telling me I can take CLP and my classmate no A'Levels. Like that many would kena.
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post Mar 21 2010, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(Seremban_2 @ Mar 21 2010, 01:52 AM)
Thanks alsree786,

I still need to go and find out with Malaysia BAR and some more lecturers. Many of my part-time class mate age 30++, 40++ and 50++ don't have A'Levels or STPM. I ask them already and they told me as long you come in as mature study for LLB and pass then can go straight to CLP. but that is for Northumbia only. That's make me fee secure with lecture tell me is ok by telling me I can take CLP and my classmate no A'Levels. Like that many would kena.
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Talk to Admissions Dept in Malaysian Bar and talk to the Qualifying Board.

I would not even bother talking to my lecturers if I were you.


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anybody know what are the 30 UK universities that are recognzied by the qualifying board?


Added on March 22, 2010, 8:47 amanybody know what are the 30 UK universities that are recognzied by the qualifying board?



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QUOTE(fk2222 @ Mar 22 2010, 12:36 AM)
anybody know what are the 30 UK universities that are recognzied by the qualifying board?


Added on March 22, 2010, 8:47 amanybody know what are the 30 UK universities that are recognzied by the qualifying board?
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You can get it from the Legal Profession Act's statute book. :-) The gazettes are listed in the book as well.

I do not think that anyone will have the time to actually list all the qualifications recognised from different gazettes.
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QUOTE(Are_keem @ Mar 13 2010, 09:15 PM)
may I ask, beside lawyer, what's the other job scope / prospect for law graduates? i'm SPM 2009 students and I was forced by my parents to study law sweat.gif
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joinin the police force aint a bad choice either
From wat i understood, u need to undergo a 9mnths training which is of the same duration as clp and u get a startin salary of about 4k per mnth?

Correct me if i'm wrong.
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QUOTE(compunoob46 @ Mar 22 2010, 02:31 AM)
joinin the police force aint a bad choice either
From wat i understood, u need to undergo a 9mnths training which is of the same duration as clp and u get a startin salary of about 4k per mnth?

Correct me if i'm wrong.
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strange, the last i checked, an insp shld be getting about 2.9k incl allowance

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