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post Jun 8 2008, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(SeaMonster @ Jun 8 2008, 12:37 PM)
Lol....

New Record?Made England Team Be Watcher For This Euro Cup?
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laugh.gif hehe...he is the best ^^
@TS: Add Steve Mcclown pls notworthy.gif
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post Jun 8 2008, 12:41 PM

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I Think New Record, Maybe Is He Hurted All The England Football Fans..
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post Jun 8 2008, 12:45 PM

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Initially I voted for Wenger, then a few people asked me why and said that Ferguson would be the correct option because he has won more trophies and so on. I did what was natural and responded by stating the reasons why I think Wenger is the superior manager, however all the United fans seem to think that any opinion which clashes with theirs are arrogant. Besides, can United fans get the over the idea that United were a small club when Fergie took over out of their heads, he took over a team that were favourites for the title that season but were unable to live up to the hype. They were under preforming and Ferguson got the best out of them and kudos to the man. To compare what Wenger and Ferguson has done is near impossible so let us leave it that. I say Wenger, you say Ferguson it is all about opinion. Don't batter me and call me a child because I have an opinion.

Grow up for heavens sake.

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post Jun 8 2008, 12:52 PM

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I Would Say " Look At The Poll Result, That's The Correct Answer Who Is The Best "


Nothing To Argue, No Point To Convince Everybody To Agree With You..

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post Jun 8 2008, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(disco333 @ Jun 8 2008, 12:45 PM)
Initially I voted for Wenger, then a few people asked me why and said that Ferguson would be the correct option because he has won more trophies and so on. I did what was natural and responded by stating the reasons why I think Wenger is the superior manager, however all the United fans seem to think that any opinion which clashes with theirs are arrogant. Besides, can United fans get the over the idea that United were a small club when Fergie took over out of their heads, he took over a team that were favourites for the title that season but were unable to live up to the hype. They were under preforming and Ferguson got the best out of them and kudos to the man. To compare what Wenger and Ferguson has done is near impossible so let us leave it that. I say Wenger, you say Ferguson it is all about opinion. Don't batter me and call me a child because I have an opinion.

Grow up for heavens sake.
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Nah TS. There you go again. You're saying us to grow up but at the same time you remained childlish. We fought for our believes and yeah even a Barca fan agreed with us. If you don't want such opinions you better not created this kind of threads. Things are simple, credits are given where it is due. Don't be so thick. shakehead.gif
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post Jun 8 2008, 12:58 PM

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I Would Say He Is A Stuborn Kid.. Lol

Even If I'm MU Fan, If J. Mourinho Done Better...

For Sure I Will Vote J.Mourinho, Not Sir Alex Ferguson..


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post Jun 8 2008, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Jun 8 2008, 09:14 AM)

it still is a lot of money to me. Heck, I can quit my job and support my whole family at the same time with that amount of money.
To TS, don't be so thick. You wanted a valid argument. Here's one. I applaud Wenger for his unbeaten run. I applaud Mourinho for his achievements in EPL despite of his 22 star players. Heck I shouldn't have said that. It would contradict to my opinion. To me, everything is simple. Credit is given where it is due. Despite of Wenger's and Mourinho's achievement, I am bold enough to say that they can't even match what SAF has done over the years.

What worries United's fans the most is the day that SAF wanted to step down and enjoy his life without United. How significant he is? Now, tell me. TS, your knowledge on SAF about a thing or two doesn't makeup your excuses to say "Wenger is the best and SAF is not" plus keep on arguing on the same thing repetitively. Achievements is being count on how many trophies you've won and how you bring the club to be known to the world.

SAF is brilliant. He took Ji Sung and Dong to market United in Asia. I would say that Dong is merely a marketing tool but Ji Sung is an unsung hero in United. He plays well. And talking about nurturing talents out of nothing, SAF has done that a lot of times. Class of 92 is the best example. They won the Treble. Heck, most of them are local players. Beckham, Butt, Neville Bros, Scholes and The Welsh Wizard, Giggs. Does Wenger nurture local talents as SAF does? Hmmm .. let me count. None? Maybe you can enlighten me on this? And I would like to highlight that this idea and concept was brought in way back in Busby, Paisley, Shankly(and the list goes on) era. Liverpool and United are among the first ones to deploy this plan.

And don't bring in the issue of "SAF has big transfer kitties .. Wenger has none." As a matter of fact, Wenger does have tranfer kitties. And I believed that he doesn't wish to use them. Again, SAF is brilliant when he purchases the likes of Ferdinand, Rooney, Carrick, Owen Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani and next to be tipped as a World Player of The Year, Cristiano Ronaldo to complete his current team. With the mixture of experience and youth, a team can go far and you wouldn't have to worry about pressure or whatsoever in some tournaments i.e. Champions League, FA Cup and so on.
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Firstly, no one is relating money spent in football to our daily life.

The last time I checked taking advantage of people for your own gain is selfish. Park has been a good player, as for Dong the sole purpose of his purchase was more marketing. Besides Ferguson didn't sign Dong, the board told Fergie that they would sent scouts to China to look at a few players, Ferguson had no say. Fergies never been great at picking up real bargains and turning them into stars. I can't think of anyone who you could see as an example of how he's done well since the Fergies Fledglings era. He was convinced the likes of Kleberson and Djemba Djemba were the next big stars.

Ferdinand (£28 million), Rooney (£28 million), Carrick (£18.6 million), Owen Hargreaves (£17 million), Anderson (£21 million), Nani (£17 million) and Cristiano Ronaldo (£13 million). He didn't spot these players, he just bought the best players available in the market. Wenger doesn't have that luxury, he has to constantly be on the look out of hidden gems.

Ferguson is a great manager and what he has achieved is unrivaled but in my opinion Wenger is the better manager. As I said before, don't call me a child because I disagree with you.
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It's not the most tight fisted manager, the most attacking minded manager, the most moral manager but it's the best manager and how do we objectively measure success? By number of trophies. Otherwise, why are we targeting Liverpool's perch? rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(SeaMonster @ Jun 8 2008, 12:33 PM)
Yup, If You Ask Me, Who Is Best In This 5Year?

For Sure.. I Will Vote Jose Mourinho..

There Is No What He Can Build A Diamond Team With Budget Money Or What..
All Rubbish..
To Be A Sucessful Manager , Sometime Also To Relia To The Club's Backgraound & Money & Abit Of Luck..

Yes, Without Those Issue, He Still Can Paise As A Good Manager But Not The Best..

Try We Talk About The Final At Moscow.. MU Won The Game, Also Relia To Some Luck biggrin.gif

I'm Mu Supporter, Not Chelsea.. But That's Fact
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Seriously? Multiply that time period by two and Mourinho doesn't have two of what Ferguson has and I don't mean balls tongue.gif

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no point to argue here. TS already make mind that he is the best!
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jun 8 2008, 01:11 PM)
It's not the most tight fisted manager, the most attacking minded manager, the most moral manager but it's the best manager and how do we objectively measure success? By number of trophies. Otherwise, why are we targeting Liverpool's perch? rolleyes.gif
Seriously? Multiply that time period by two and Mourinho doesn't have two of what Ferguson has and I don't mean balls tongue.gif
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Actually This 5Years, Ferguson Also Did Well...

But AW ? LOl...

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QUOTE(disco333 @ Jun 8 2008, 01:06 PM)
Firstly, no one is relating money spent in football to our daily life.

The last time I checked taking advantage of people for your own gain is selfish. Park has been a good player, as for Dong the sole purpose of his purchase was more marketing. Besides Ferguson didn't sign Dong, the board told Fergie that they would sent scouts to China to look at a few players, Ferguson had no say. Fergies never been great at picking up real bargains and turning them into stars. I can't think of anyone who you could see as an example of how he's done well since the Fergies Fledglings era. He was convinced the likes of Kleberson and Djemba Djemba were the next big stars.

Ferdinand (£28 million), Rooney (£28 million), Carrick (£18.6 million), Owen Hargreaves (£17 million), Anderson (£21 million), Nani (£17 million) and Cristiano Ronaldo (£13 million). He didn't spot these players, he just bought the best players available in the market. Wenger doesn't have that luxury, he has to constantly be on the look out of hidden gems.

Ferguson is a great manager and what he has achieved is unrivaled but in my opinion Wenger is the better manager. As I said before, don't call me a child because I disagree with you.
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Hey, maybe I should dig up SAF's history with Aberdeen? Oh no, you might wanna dig up Wenger's experience. I'm not calling you childish because of your disagreement with our opinions. I'm calling you childish on how you created this thread and want everyone to agree to your opinion.

As all of the previous posts, you might want to change all of the options to Wenger.

And like I've said. Credits are given where it's due. Mourinho achievements with Chelsea was great. I thought he's great at Chelsea. And all of the mind games he played with other managers. Juande Ramos managed to bring Spurs to win a cup last year after their long spells of trophy-less seasons? Not to mention his achievements with Sevilla.

Okay, I'm out of this discussion. Thanks a lot. It was fun. laugh.gif
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@ TS, SAF did not only manage Man Utd you know? He won stuff with Aberdeen too. Won a European trophy with them too.
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Did I ever said he didn't. The European trophy he won was yesterday's equivalent to today's UEFA Cup not the Champions League....
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post Jun 8 2008, 01:49 PM

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better than wenger not winning even uefa cup.. i remember arsenal lost to galatasaray last time

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@ts, what's factor do u weight more in order to determine who is the best manager?
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QUOTE(nizamhameed @ Jun 8 2008, 01:50 PM)
@ts, what's factor do u weight more in order to determine who is the best manager?
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managing arsenal, finished 3rd in the league, got kicked at quarter final in cup competition, must not use budget over 30mil pounds even got money
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QUOTE(disco333 @ Jun 8 2008, 01:48 PM)
Did I ever said he didn't. The European trophy he won was yesterday's equivalent to today's UEFA Cup not the Champions League....
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Has Wenger won any European trophy at all? tongue.gif user posted image

I remember Arsene lost in EUFA cup. Like that Mc Clown is the same rank as Wenger since he lost the final EUFA too. user posted image
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QUOTE(corez @ Jun 8 2008, 01:52 PM)
Has Wenger won any European trophy at all?  tongue.gif  user posted image

I remember Arsene lost in EUFA cup. Like that Mc Clown is the same rank as Wenger since he lost the final EUFA too. user posted image
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mc clown won treble too.. but as assistant manager la laugh.gif
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QUOTE(nizamhameed @ Jun 8 2008, 01:50 PM)
@ts, what's factor do u weight more in order to determine who is the best manager?
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Criterion on how to be the best manager of our time:

1) Don't spend as much money as Wenger
2) Don't win as much as Wenger
3) Buy players from Africa and nick them off academies
4) Ignore signings like Jeffers and Reyes and only point at Djemba-Djemba and Kleberson
5) Slam teams that choose to be wise tactically


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QUOTE(nizamhameed @ Jun 8 2008, 01:50 PM)
@ts, what's factor do u weight more in order to determine who is the best manager?
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A good manager is one who has enough strategic and tactical acumen to provide his players with a winning game plan, but can lift and motivate them when things aren't going their way. However, it is easy to confuse this type of manager with one who is with a club that has a blank chequebook. Any fool can buy expensive players and forge a few decent results in the short term. Sooner or later their shortcomings are always exposed.

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