i guess this argue will never end la.. duhh
of course arsenal's fans will vote for wenger and of course united's fans will definitely vote for SAF. there's no point to argue about who's the best. all managers have their own achievements. SAF is good in certain aspects and Wenger also is good in certain aspects. it is too subjective to compare these two ppl. cmon guys..

What Ferguson did is great and all but do it in modern football is very different. Fans have this idea that Ferguson had no money to spend when he first took over, only god knows where this myth originated from. He had a big budget when he took over which enabled him to sign McClair, Ince, Pallister etc. Without money that would not have been possible, when Wenger took over he signed Anelka for £500k and sold him for £23 million which funded his transfers so the next three seasons. There is a big difference between what Fergie had to do at the start of his reign at United and what Wenger had to do at the start of his at Arsenal.

dun need to argue la.

everyone has their own opinions. no need to fight about who is the best, of course Arsenal fans pick AW, Liverpool fans pick RB, MU fans pick SAF while Chelsea pick JM.

TS, if u duwan other people to disagree with ur opinion, why dun u put only AW name in the poll (if can la) and state the facts that AW is the best for example:

"AW is the best manager in our time. Period."

then close the thread, sure no one will argue rite?

please la, dun fight2 over small matter. just pick/vote ur manager, reasons, dun criticize others opinion & then move on.

let's enjoy 1st game of EURO 2008 between Swiss & Czech, shall we?

neither wenger LOL

I agree!

then close the topic, ok?

haha then dont need to open this thread la dude if u dont need other ppl opinion..
u really made me laugh la..
just do like what jackdante22 said just now..

I think if you are a supporter of a small team, a manager like Wenger would be a dream manager as he will make a small team to become a great team. With the money coming into the game, If ferguson was to manage a team like Derby with a limited budget, he would have been a nobody. With Arsene Wenger, if he was to be a coach for a small team, the small team will become a great team with his ability to turned gemstone into diamonds.Any manager can be successful with money, Chelsea have proven that and also Blackburn years ago.

Wenger took a team struggling normally finishing around 6th and made them into one of, if not the best team in England, he won the double in his first full season, he won the league undefeated, his transfers are amazing, its Wenger all the way!

since Mu fan vote for Ferguson and Arsenal fan vote for Wenger,so let hear opinion from me who is not support both Arsenal and Manchester
for me Ferguson>Wenger bcos to be a good manager you cant just depend on unbeaten record @ built a team with a little money and then get 2nd @ 3rd in league

ah, come on... why didnt u quote the whole post? or ur eyes can only see "Arsene Wenger is the best manager in our time. Period"? ur eyes being programmed to see only that instead my whole post, just like wenger's mouth who only programmed to say "I didn't zee it" when reporters ask about anything that against Arsenal in the pitch.

they are still better manager than SAF out there, but to see that maybe we can wait for more than 20 years perhaps? Any current manager can surpass him but we need to wait for a certain period, depends on the team & players of coz.

Wenger have already been at Arsenal more than 10 years & he is among the best manager in the world rite now. everyone who choose other than Wenger didnt mean they disrespect him. he still on top but below SAF.

in term of finding young talents, i admit Wenger is better than SAF, he also spend less money than SAF. but achievements? u need to open ur mind, eyes & heart to see & accept that SAF is better than Wenger. Period.

P/S: TS, dun quote my last sentence and post "I disagree". if u still want to do that, dont. instead, edit the 1st post by put only Wenger's name in the poll, said "Arsene Wenger is the best manager bla bla bla bla..." & close this thread.

This post has been edited by jackdante22: Jun 8 2008, 12:02 AM

Well, Sir Alex managed to take a team struggling just above the relegation zone to 11th place, and then to more successes.
Money does not necessarily bring success, look at Chelsea.

Also, I doubt Arsenal were in a very bad financial situation when he took over, not very sure, I don't have any figures.

It was probably a joke.

the way TS behave in this thread made me wondering how old is TS? Coz from the way he responded to another people opinions,it looks like he could not accept other people opinion and want to win at all cost regardless of proof given..

i think he is still under age lah.. most probably 17 years old la kot?

salute to barca fans

There is a word for that kind of behaviour. It's called CONCEITED.

imagine? u must be new to football i guess..

i'll pick jm anytime. saf been quiet from massive mind game for few years..and after jm's departure, he attacked arsenal before the match between them..wonder why he didnt do that when jm was around..

Many may disagree, but I regard Sir Alex Ferguson as the best of all time. Even above the likes of Shankly, Paisley, Stein and Clough.

its definitely the special one for me.the first ever manager to win the epl in his debut season..and succesfully defending it the season after that.(only jose and ferguson have managed to defend their titles in the premier league era btw but jose's achievement is much more significant as he did it in his first & second season)he delivered the first epl title to chelsea after 50 years.he pretty much knocked manutd off the podium during his first and second term(gaining some measure of revenge in the fa cup final in his third as well)and established chelsea as their main rivals when we were nowhere near to being considered as 'contenders' in the seasons before that.with money u can get the players,but without a world class coach you'll end up with nothing.avram grant is a perfect example of that

the special one's ultimate legacy: unbeaten for three consecutive seasons at home in the league, setting a barrage of premier league records for most wins in a season(29) ,most home wins in a season(18),most away wins in a season(15),most points in a season(95),fewest goals conceded in a season(15) and most clean sheets in a season(25). eat your heart out ferguson and wenger.the special one owns both of you

Prove Plz...

No Crap!

U Say Nia..

Look At The Result, Already Knew Who Is The Best.. SAF 36, AW15 - Want Argue Then No Poll

Unless U Go To Create 20 or 30 New Account, All Vote To AW..

Nonsence & Pointless Thread..

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Added on June 8, 2008, 8:44 amTS, Tell Me The Porpose U Created This Thread?

Why You Choose Poll ?

This post has been edited by SeaMonster: Jun 8 2008, 08:44 AM

thank you.

SAF.

Nope. Wenger hasn't done so. You're kind of an idiot, aren't you?

it still is a lot of money to me. Heck, I can quit my job and support my whole family at the same time with that amount of money.


To TS, don't be so thick. You wanted a valid argument. Here's one. I applaud Wenger for his unbeaten run. I applaud Mourinho for his achievements in EPL despite of his 22 star players. Heck I shouldn't have said that. It would contradict to my opinion. To me, everything is simple. Credit is given where it is due. Despite of Wenger's and Mourinho's achievement, I am bold enough to say that they can't even match what SAF has done over the years.

What worries United's fans the most is the day that SAF wanted to step down and enjoy his life without United. How significant he is? Now, tell me. TS, your knowledge on SAF about a thing or two doesn't makeup your excuses to say "Wenger is the best and SAF is not" plus keep on arguing on the same thing repetitively. Achievements is being count on how many trophies you've won and how you bring the club to be known to the world.

SAF is brilliant. He took Ji Sung and Dong to market United in Asia. I would say that Dong is merely a marketing tool but Ji Sung is an unsung hero in United. He plays well. And talking about nurturing talents out of nothing, SAF has done that a lot of times. Class of 92 is the best example. They won the Treble. Heck, most of them are local players. Beckham, Butt, Neville Bros, Scholes and The Welsh Wizard, Giggs. Does Wenger nurture local talents as SAF does? Hmmm .. let me count. None? Maybe you can enlighten me on this? And I would like to highlight that this idea and concept was brought in way back in Busby, Paisley, Shankly(and the list goes on) era. Liverpool and United are among the first ones to deploy this plan.

And don't bring in the issue of "SAF has big transfer kitties .. Wenger has none." As a matter of fact, Wenger does have tranfer kitties. And I believed that he doesn't wish to use them. Again, SAF is brilliant when he purchases the likes of Ferdinand, Rooney, Carrick, Owen Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani and next to be tipped as a World Player of The Year, Cristiano Ronaldo to complete his current team. With the mixture of experience and youth, a team can go far and you wouldn't have to worry about pressure or whatsoever in some tournaments i.e. Champions League, FA Cup and so on.