Hahaha, so you were saying that SAF won the Cup Winners Cup with Aberdeen with a blank Checkbook? When he broke the two club of Celtic and Rangers is it with a blank checkbook?

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Added on June 8, 2008, 1:59 pmTS is the hard core Arsenal fan. I give him that.

This post has been edited by corez: Jun 8 2008, 01:59 PM

i saw that in saf

I wasn't referring to Ferguson, just saying what I think makes a good manager. Typical of United fans to think that the world revolves around them, arrogant gits....

com on quit it man and grow up for once. just give up! wenger will quit his job just so you can become the new manager for arsenal and probally go on to be the best manager in the history but sorry la you still cant beat sir alex ferguson. lol there still not enough?

This post has been edited by Calvin871989: Jun 8 2008, 02:07 PM

.. speechless

Do u think SAF does not have them or even all the listed manager does not have the criteria? most of them have it. the only thing is that if i am not mistaken, wenger have to cut off his transfer budget last time bcoz they wanna move to new stadium. i will rate Roman as fool more than other bcoz he is the one who spalsh a lot of money to buy players only to warm the bench!. SAF did buy expensive players but all of them can play at least another 10 years, is that short terms? its much better than buying scheinko for 30m i mean kuda tua as benchwarmer.

I just read this in an article by Jonathan Northcroft in the Times today

"Having just banked £32m for winning the Champions League, United are getting richer and their total wage costs are only £50,000 a week more than Arsenal’s."

Oh no! What is this? We are the most spent club?

And I don't see
in Wenger.

When was the last time we've seen Wenger drag Arsenal out of a slump? It normally takes one whole season for them to regroup. 49 game run ended? Went pear shape after that. This season - commanding lead, lost a couple here and there and again never recovered.

And a blank chequebook will be found out? 22 years ain't a short period of time.

this is the main reason u create the tread....

actually each of the managers in the list was the good one, thats why we dont have poll for this kinda of topic. its not like judging "the richest people in the world" where we r gonna judge by their assest and money not by how they get that money or assest. i am off!! enuogh.

Not wanting to spend and don't have resources to spend aren't the same. We have seen Wenger stating his belief in signing youths and fair play but we aren't in a race in being the most profitable, or best returns on investment but we are in a business to WIN.

are u kidding, Wenger motivate and lift the players. No HE dont, the best example we can saw this season, they even cant retain the top spot and players start to leaving. LOL

p/s i dont hesitate to vote for anybody if they equal SAF, MAHATHIR , SCHUM (F1), Giggs,... and so on IN TERM OF ACHIEVEMENT

This post has been edited by nizamhameed: Jun 8 2008, 02:18 PM

"Wenger! Wenger! Wenger! Wenger!"

I just chanted for Wenger.

And you are calling me childish Apart from kobe8bryant none of you have actually come up with anything other than snide comments aimed at Arsenal. I have never insulted Ferguson, look through the thread if you don't believe me. I can't believe how ignorant United fans can be.

This post has been edited by disco333: Jun 8 2008, 02:19 PM

I'm just taking the piss out of you.

And yeah, you're still childish. I don't see any of my opinions aimed towards Arsenal. Funny how you pointed yourself being a child.

to TS :-
pls ask all the managers in this world and u will get the true answer.

there u go some notes:-

1.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/european_football/article1644205.ece


This post has been edited by nizamhameed: Jun 8 2008, 02:27 PM

Tracked back a bit here.

Arsenal aren't a small club and which is why he should stop managing Arsenal the way he has. You could argue that Arsenal has had success with showing me FA Cups and Premier League titles and I wouldn't begrudge that but sustained success requires bucketloads of money and money alone doesn't give you success. Newcastle and Chelsea? Newcastle for one season and Mourinho - well he was/is a good manager. Ferguson has had that for decades - SUSTAINED success.

Sir Alex Ferguson didn't start his managing career at United and Aberdeen ain't a big club. My opinion alone, you aren't the best manager by going 20 to 6th but you become the best by being 1st and staying 1st. I'm out of here - we'd agree to disagree.

another one:-
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...icle2437525.ece

I remember the Graham years when discipline & a defensive style won us games. It surely didn't win us fans and it was torture watching them but they won.

Did i get lasting pleasure from it? To be honest after two three - months , and having to go back to watching the same dull football afterwards, no it didn't. Yes I was still a fan, yes I still shouted screamed and swore watching the games, living every kick , playing every pass but it was not fufilling

Now compare this style against how we have played in the past three unsuccessful years. We played some unbelievable football with the likes of Henry, Rosicky, Clichy, Hleb, & Fabregas that has been a delight to watch. Some of the CC performances with Traore, Walcott, Nick etc have also been of the highest quality. Yes we have been unsuccessful, but we have been brought in the main, pleasure from the style and panache with which the club has played.

When our youth beat Everton & Balckburns full strength side in the Carling Cup we boasted to our Man United and LIverpool supporting mates that they couldnt do same. Take last season when we beat Liverpool twice with the Reserves - who didnt feel a surge of pride? Didnt the win feel all the sweeter? Or take the Carling Cup Final against Chelsea - watching our young players play Chelsea off the park for 60 minutes, with some breathtaking football. Yeah we lost but for me seeing the style and future of the club playing so exquisitely it felt almost like a win.

Why do we watch football? Because it brings us pleasure. Simple so far but bear with me.

What is wrong with supporting a team not because they are successful, not because our fathers brothers mothers or mates support them - but because they bring us genuine pleasure watching them. I think genuine Chelsea fans will admit - as two have to me - that in a way winning the League twice under Moaninho didn't feel as good as they expected. Left them ecstatic for a while but they kinda felt slightly empty at times. They had to listen to taunts of buying the League. Theyve had to ensure bandwagonjumpers & fair weather fans. And all the while playing football that was oh so effective but oh so ugly.

I guess that changed my outlook. Yeah I still want success. Yeah I hurt inside when we fall at final hurdle as we did this year. After Pool game in CL I was physically sick for weeks after. But I'm still proud of the way we play. Of how neutrals envy us. Of how we gain fans not because we're successful but because we play the beautiful game, the way football should be played. Of how when I sit down to watch the Gunners I know i'm gonna be entertained.

Would I sacrifice all that pleasure just to see us win Cups and Leagues while playing like United or Chelsea? No my friends - because then I'd be no better than the bandwagon jumpers I despise.

So here's to style, quality and sexy football in 08/09 - AND success

Say what you like about our lack of success, most Arsenal fans don't give a rats ass! We play the Wenger way and we are satisfied!

Neutrally speaking and based on current achievements(with different clubs and country level) to date,it has gotta be Lippi.Won domestic Serie A,Supercoppa Italiana,Coppa Italiana,UEFA Euro Super Cup/Champions League,Intercontinental Cup and most importantly Fifa World Cup.If he had managed an European country to victory this Euro08,he would have achieved something unique similar to Grand Slam in the tennis world.

Your post says it all.

Okay mods, time to clean this 'mess' up.

united done that in 2007/2008 season
i didnt say wenger sucks, its just saf is a better manager overall