I'm just taking the piss out of you.

And yeah, you're still childish. I don't see any of my opinions aimed towards Arsenal. Funny how you pointed yourself being a child.

Neutrally speaking and based on current achievements(with different clubs and country level) to date,it has gotta be Lippi.Won domestic Serie A,Supercoppa Italiana,Coppa Italiana,UEFA Euro Super Cup/Champions League,Intercontinental Cup and most importantly Fifa World Cup.If he had managed an European country to victory this Euro08,he would have achieved something unique similar to Grand Slam in the tennis world.

Would I sacrifice all that pleasure just to see us win Cups and Leagues while playing like United or Chelsea? No my friends - because then I'd be no better than the bandwagon jumpers I despise.

So here's to style, quality and sexy football in 08/09 - AND success

Say what you like about our lack of success, most Arsenal fans don't give a rats ass! We play the Wenger way and we are satisfied!

I remember the Graham years when discipline & a defensive style won us games. It surely didn't win us fans and it was torture watching them but they won.

Did i get lasting pleasure from it? To be honest after two three - months , and having to go back to watching the same dull football afterwards, no it didn't. Yes I was still a fan, yes I still shouted screamed and swore watching the games, living every kick , playing every pass but it was not fufilling

Now compare this style against how we have played in the past three unsuccessful years. We played some unbelievable football with the likes of Henry, Rosicky, Clichy, Hleb, & Fabregas that has been a delight to watch. Some of the CC performances with Traore, Walcott, Nick etc have also been of the highest quality. Yes we have been unsuccessful, but we have been brought in the main, pleasure from the style and panache with which the club has played.

When our youth beat Everton & Balckburns full strength side in the Carling Cup we boasted to our Man United and LIverpool supporting mates that they couldnt do same. Take last season when we beat Liverpool twice with the Reserves - who didnt feel a surge of pride? Didnt the win feel all the sweeter? Or take the Carling Cup Final against Chelsea - watching our young players play Chelsea off the park for 60 minutes, with some breathtaking football. Yeah we lost but for me seeing the style and future of the club playing so exquisitely it felt almost like a win.

Why do we watch football? Because it brings us pleasure. Simple so far but bear with me.

What is wrong with supporting a team not because they are successful, not because our fathers brothers mothers or mates support them - but because they bring us genuine pleasure watching them. I think genuine Chelsea fans will admit - as two have to me - that in a way winning the League twice under Moaninho didn't feel as good as they expected. Left them ecstatic for a while but they kinda felt slightly empty at times. They had to listen to taunts of buying the League. Theyve had to ensure bandwagonjumpers & fair weather fans. And all the while playing football that was oh so effective but oh so ugly.

I guess that changed my outlook. Yeah I still want success. Yeah I hurt inside when we fall at final hurdle as we did this year. After Pool game in CL I was physically sick for weeks after. But I'm still proud of the way we play. Of how neutrals envy us. Of how we gain fans not because we're successful but because we play the beautiful game, the way football should be played. Of how when I sit down to watch the Gunners I know i'm gonna be entertained.

Would I sacrifice all that pleasure just to see us win Cups and Leagues while playing like United or Chelsea? No my friends - because then I'd be no better than the bandwagon jumpers I despise.

So here's to style, quality and sexy football in 08/09 - AND success

Say what you like about our lack of success, most Arsenal fans don't give a rats ass! We play the Wenger way and we are satisfied!

united done that in 2007/2008 season
i didnt say wenger sucks, its just saf is a better manager overall

This coming from a boy with a cartoon as his avatar

This coming from a boy with a cartoon as his avatar

TS is Arsene Wenger

He is free at this moment since it is off season

had jose continued his reign at chelsea i have no doubt in my mind that he would inherit the title of most succesful manager (in terms trophies) in the epl from ferguson.when he left a lot of managers spoke out about losing a great character including ferguson.he was that good when it came to wise cracks and winning trophies.its easy to run your mouth and not back it up with wins on the pitch and any manager could've come in,made a lot of noise,not win anything and subsequently being hated by everyone for all the wrong reasons.mourinho was hated because he constantly ran his mouth but at the same he gained a huge amount of respect from many quarters for his success as well.one thing i'd like to say about wenger is if he starts buying a 'star' or two and incorporates them into his young team,he'd enjoy a lot more success.but that doesn't look like happening soon and his refusal to stray from his strong 'principals' could mean a serious lack of trophies for arsenal which is unfortunate.if they start wining trophies in style on a more regular basis,wenger will inevitably get a lot more respect from fans and neutrals alike.

I respect Wenger for buying a new talents and develop them instead of buying a well known player such Real Madrid and Man Utd did

I never claimed to be better than anyone. So basically, it is alright for a United fan to personally attack an Arsenal fan but for him to stand for himself is unacceptable.

i will agreed if u judge in inter of last 5 years

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Added on June 8, 2008, 2:52 pm

u r rite, but SAF did build youngster (Giggs) but not as many as Wenger. yes Wenger win in this part

Alex Ferguson - 10 EPL, 2 UCL
Arsene Wenger - 3 EPL + 49 Unbeated Run

source: wiki

Alex Ferguson - 10 EPL, 2 UCL
Arsene Wenger - 3 EPL

source: wiki

I think genuine Chelsea fans will admit - as two have to me - that in a way winning the League twice under Moaninho didn't feel as good as they expected. Left them ecstatic for a while but they kinda felt slightly empty at times. They had to listen to taunts of buying the League. Theyve had to ensure bandwagonjumpers & fair weather fans. And all the while playing football that was oh so effective but oh so ugly.