please note this is not console war discussion its just a feedback from you ps3 owners humble opinion about the extra disc space on blu-ray which is not fully utilized which makes us feel cheated..

have you guys ever wondered that you are not getting whats worth of your money on ps3 titles.. due to a fact that they are the exact same game size of their other platform (X360) which only fits on DVD size..

i sometimes feel cheated by this multiplatform gaming crapz.. which caters towards the space of the DVD limitation..

imagine GTAIV, was only for ps3, im sure the dev. can add more stuff in that 25 GB blu-ray disc compare to a DVD disc ...




sigh i hate how $ony is marketing their product.. really doesnt value our money...

however on the bright side... MGS4 will be the first game to fully use up blu-ray space..and i hope to be looking forward for games like this to use the full potential of the blu-ray disc..


so next time do think twice to buy games which are multiplatform ... does it give a run for your money ? or just a plain $ony scam to their customers...

discuss here please

(wears anti-flame suit)


P/S: trollers and x360 fanboi pls GTFO, we want healthy discussion in here..

This post has been edited by subimpact: Jun 3 2008, 11:02 AM

I agree with you.

all the multiplatform games offer no improvement over their Xbox 360 counterpart despite having more space on offer, and the pricing for the PS3 version is always higher than the Xbox 360.

that's why I have (or rather will have) both PS3 only for exclusives, Xbox 360 for the rest. unless if there's a significant difference in the PS3 version of a multiplatform game.

I do agree with you on that. However, games like Star Wars: The Force Unleashed and EA sports franchise are also multiplatform. But i still will buy the game cos it is fun and cool. Whether they fully utilize the disc or not, we wont know either. So it really depends on the quality of the game.

well it will fit onto a DVD, but will have alot of dead space in a Blu-Ray. that's what sub was mentioning.

actually I don't get your post BlueLotus

but consider this ur paying more for the same game which runs on the counterpart console game which is run by the might tyrant company micro$oft

Well, Sub asked whether it is worth our money to buy such multiplatform games... i would say Yes and No. It really depends on the game quality. So i gave example... Star Wars game. It is out on Xbox, PS3 and PS2. So do u think it is worth it? I think so cos it is fun and cool. And i believe there will be lots of difference among all consoles.

wht the meaning of multiplatform game??

sub said what I wanted to say.

the question at hand isn't whether multiplatform games are worth it or not, it's whether the price difference between the PS3 version and Xbox 360 versions is justifiable or not.

of course whether we buy it or not depends on the quality. sorry to say but your reply wasn't relevant.

and based on the way things are now, there's virtually NO DIFFERENCE in the games across the consoles.

This post has been edited by nerd: Jun 2 2008, 12:42 PM

The NextGen consoles are merely a fused between pc and consoles anyway. And of course they did bind in a new technology of HD and Blu-ray players. Games arent that interesting and most games emphasized heavily on interactive and cinematic cgi scenes only. And yes everyone's sole and prime target is still Squareenix's FFXIII and versus afterall. Unfortunately it is set to release during near end of this year or probably next year.

games which are on x360/wii/ and ps3

coz ps3 has larger blu-ray storage.. compare with the other console

Ask sabrina about this. She is an expert.

/OT


It is more cost-effective for the publishers to work on 360 first. It has a bigger installed userbase etc.

in what way does a big userbase leads to cost-effectiveness?

I think you meant to say it's easier to program for the Xbox 360 compared to the PS3.


This post has been edited by nerd: Jun 2 2008, 12:45 PM

what happens if FFXIII goes multiplatform... ?? i thinks the quality will be watered down to x360 limitation (DVD format ) which nerfs ps3 capabilites too right ?

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Added on June 2, 2008, 12:47 pmthat of coz will be the saddest news in gaming history

This post has been edited by subimpact: Jun 2 2008, 12:47 PM

Publishers push the devs to work on 360 first and then ported the titles to teh CELL. Familiarity with DX-like coding and similarity to PC platform etc made it easier. The devs HAVE to optimise + learn to code on all the SPU/SPEs for the alien architecture, and this takes time. Time = money. So, why not develop for the 360 first as the lead platform?

LOL @ sabrina reference.
yeah sub said it like it is. I never really thought that much about it until now. I'm really hoping the exclusive title developers really show their A game. MGS4 and killzone 2 already stated their game definately wont fit on a DVD. It's a matter of time when the blockbuster titles start to make other people sit up and take notice. They better do.

As for multiplatform titles, it won't be too surprising to see some sort of money politics at work here. Or maybe just plain laziness. They still have some unused space from the BD media, but they might be under pressure to release the game for all platforms at the same time. The 360 version is ready to go, but they still need time to make more levels for the PS3 version. So in the end they just screw it all and release it for both. Sony from what I know didn't pay anything extra for third party developers to make more levels for the PS3 version. So...

only 2 of my ps3 games are multi-platform titles i think i will only buy 2 more multi-platform title this year, the rest will be all exclusives

OT: even on the 360, i tend to buy exclusives (2nd hand or discounted). actually, i just realised a small miracle. my xenon 360 was manufactured in june 2006! hurray 2 years and still working without any de-clamping or mobo reheating or fans upgrading, the most amazing miracle

This post has been edited by acougan: Jun 2 2008, 12:57 PM

not only for present titles.. but for upcoming titles.. i was kinda dissapointed when SFIV was for x360 also ... so i expect a watered down ps3 version for it

Look at 1st/2nd party titles like Uncharted & Ratchet. Sure they look amazing, but who knows how high are the costs of producing both of them (KZ2 & LBP included). Most 3rd party publishers do not want to take risks for multiplat titles (with exeptions to a few- DIRT, COD4 for example). Why put so much effort on platform with smaller userbase anyway? Only time will tell

This post has been edited by vorchiel: Jun 2 2008, 01:05 PM

just found out that for future titles starting after the force unleashed, lucasarts will develop for PS3 first, then port it to 360. fanboy flamebait hidden in spoiler...

i dont think any multi-platfrom titles are "watered" down technically. do rmb, the 360 GPU is very versatile and the development tools are much better.

of course, progammers are also human. sure they can work extra hard and utililize the extra space (maybe with better audio or special featurettes like those Director's Cut DVDs). but just like most other human beings, they'll just submit the minimum (like how we used to submit minimum in our homework and assignments )

SFIV also release on PC and you can enjoy it at Arcade. Anyway i cant find any reason why a fighting game need a big capacity storage like Blu-Ray.

on top of that, those xbox360 owners get more with their achievements and all that...

I agree with Alma, buy Xbox360 and "SUPPORT PIRACY"

maybe u all can read these aritcles... i think it would be good for us to understand wats in the future.

http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm

http://www.hardcoreware.net/playstation-3-...one-year-later/

LOL! no! ps3 is better... i'm just saying... developers dont enhance the PS3 games... and on top of that, MSoft enhances the game-play in their own way without the need for developers doing it... and for ps3... we just get the normal game... no extra's for being blu-ray, and no extra's from Sony...

(PS: LOL! the piracy thing... i just said that coz they dont have many choices when it comes to Blu-Ray movies and DVD's... and when i order online from Amazon, bloody customs will tahan the package... so there is no way for me to get some discs locally... hence, the piracy support...)

I just support that line.. hehe..

psst.. i intend to get xbox for that.... oops..

your getting xbox 360?!

i thought u were in the dark side! traitor!

Yeah, I've been burned a few times. Namely Assasins Creed

and GTA4. Man, I can really hate Rockstar. Such a short story. So little vehicles. So little weapons. So little missions. Can't buy properties. Really wasted. Must be the space limitation I already passed my GTA to my cousin. Didn't even bother finishing the whole game.

It really sucks ponying hard earned cash, to purchase a PS3 and a 32" LCD, only to regret jumping into the PS3 HD bandwagon a little too soon.

Oh well, MG4 is coming soon

edit: Playing Oblivion now and loving it

This post has been edited by komputer: Jun 2 2008, 01:58 PM

Ditto like most peeps here, I have all 3 platforms, most of the gaming done on 360 and only play the exclusives on PS3 and Wii

One thing for sure, the new next gen consoles arent built for rough handling. It's very sensitive. If u guys read thru the console thread , u will find loads of complain about rod and blu ray problems. And it seems, warranty isnt provided in malaysia and in the end u will have to bear the freight charges and wait for mths for it to return. Payin tonnes of cash for some awesome cgi machines and experience frustration when it juz die infront of u all of a sudden.

i just wanna clarify that we are playing the exact same game with not extra content what so ever to fully utilized the blu-ray capabilities to make our money worth ...

they should like throw in the making of the game in to fill up the space to make us happy or something..

xbox has its advantage coz
- its msoft
- strong online community
- hey its msoft
- more titles to date...

i feel that ps3 becomes so inferior of this console war because $ony themselves doesn't wanna push their console machine to the max... sigh... so all in all ps3 is like owning a Lamborghini which you can only drive at 80 KMPH ....

and achievements... why isnt anyone mentioning achievements?!

I read on NeoGaf that there are achievements coming to the PS3; leaked by a developer. The screens came from a development kit.

It appears on the XMB next to the game title.

PS3 will be getting head trophies so thats why i didnt include achievenments

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Added on June 2, 2008, 2:38 pmfrom the conclusion is like ps3 is like a big titanic ship sinking slowly...

can mgs4 actually save us ?

This post has been edited by subimpact: Jun 2 2008, 02:38 PM

ONE WORD...

No...

It cant...

We need more...

FFXII, RESIDENT EVIL 5, silent hill , home, GT5, ?

An Answer to ur question is easy and i'll answer them with a question
1)how does a game will be look like let says 5 years from now?
do u think it will look like todays games or even more detail and stuff?

2)do u think that games now day using the full power of PS3 or XbOX360?

I'm sure the microsoft and sony is not planning to do business just for two or three year with their console do we
It's too soon to tell why sony use blu ray for their console and not dvd like other console maker..
Let's us see 5 year from now whether sony make the right move or a mistake to use blu ray disc for their games

I'm waiting to get a ps3 but im waiting till its library grows much bigger. Not even Old Snake can make me buy a system next month, sorry snake..

I'm neither Dark Side nor the whatever Side.... lol

I'm a lone ranger... thinking for myself....

I really feel and understand Subimpact. We are paying more for essentially the same product...

i guess it is best for us to buy PS3 exclusive games only. That way, we wont feel cheated.

even right now all i can say some BLU-RAY Movies are equalent to a HD-DVD movie also... sigh what shame...

Well, its always the same debate. And until the time when DVD is not enough for all developers, then you will Sony gaining ground. Even then, it is very simple for Microsfot to either make an add-on or release a new XBOX with bluray support.

At the moment, PS3 gamers are made to pay more, heck even on exclusive titles, we are paying more. Its an average of RM195 per game compared to RM160 for an XBOX 360 game. Then again, Sony has been known for sucking money out of people because of its brand. Why should it be any different with the PS3?

actually asian region ps2 game also cost more than asian region xbox1 game. so, xbox pricing in asian region has always been very competitive. with the region-lock in place, xbox pricing can even be more aggresive in emerging markets (e.g china)

dvd is not a problem, most games if need be, can be published on multi-disc. only certain type of games need to compressed to fit into 1 disc - e.g open-world-sandbox games like GTA.

its sad to know that even when GTAIV comes in blu-ray disc we still neeed to pre-install into ps3 hdd ... WtF? (so i assume the DVD gamesize gets uncompressed to the ps3 hdd) wasting my ps3 hdd space only



how about GTA IV on x360 ? no need to install right ? can play it right off the box

hey this forum really change my thought on ps3 console.cheers

Err yep GTAIV is playable right off the bat with the 360. Not to mention DLC comes over to the 360 first.

Well, the pre-installation is a weird situation. Some people dont mind, some people think its stupid that we need to do such thing. If we wanted instlallation, we will get a PC instead. My PS3 is right now serving me as a bluray player more than anything else.

But it is not all that bad, the 360 is damn noisy. So yes, behold the power of silent PS3s!

yea maybe sony intention was to mix breed gaming wif home entertainment... but epic failed as a gaming console but uber win on home entertainment.. sigh... u cant have best of two worlds.. so most prolly i'll use my ps3 for blu-ray movies since its the cheapest blu-ray player in todays market

blu ray, even with the bigger capacity, reads data slowly. go figure.

its like a big canvas, and a waaaay bigger canvas.

1. Which canvas will need extra work?

2. Which canvas will be time consuming to be finished?

But in the end, which canvas can hold more images?

Personally, I bought the PS3 not because of its a PS3, but because it has MGS4, GT5, FF13.

So MGS4 is just around the corner, I am already satisfied. Other games are just bonus for me. I would rather seriously do online gaming for free, supporting original stuffs are hardcore expensive. Sure, LiVE has it perks, expands the title etc etc but honestly, I am much more a single player guy. I enjoy MGS4, single player title, stories driven RPG, hence FF13, occasionally racing GT5P online with American monkeys (no gentlemen at all). Pay to play has its advantages, but not for me. I bought an LCD, a next gen machine, original games and those are enough. Like GTA 4 Online, am already bored of the same thing, over and over again. MGS3 online, yes I was playing heavily, but I played more Monster Hunter Online. Reason? People in Monster Hunter Online are much tolerant to our sucky streamyx connectio, so no kicks for me Sure ,people said if you wanna hone your skilss, try online. Pftt.I have no FPS, no sports titles. (planning on getting the multiplatform FIFA09 later on) Other that that..pftt.

And blu ray, oh blu ray. Is the machine capable of playing movies? I have only 2 titles so far. 2. TWO. I love movies, make no mistake, but I rather concentrate my 'effort' to the games only. I have around 20+ movies on my hdd, and they serve the purpose. Quality? check. Sound check. Nothing extra normal human eyes like me can see. Personally, I dont give a rats ass about the format war. I still am happy with my divx and avis.

And for those of you that thinks this is Sony's fault, think again. Its the developers' that develop the games. So far, games from Sony like Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank Future and awesome 3rd party like Kojima Studios have impressed a lot of people. Some of the people were even courting some studios to snatch some games. Its that serious. Sony gave the devs a Lambo, but if they drive it like a Satria, do we blame the car or the driver? And personally, DMC4 looks too pathetic to be compared with Uncharted. And if memory serves me correctly, Uncharted came out last year.

As a conclusion, just enjoy the games. At least we have the assurance that Sony's R&D crew didnt fell asleep during PS3's stress test. That is one huge factor to consider. The ball is in the developers' court now, its up to them on how they will play it.

This post has been edited by snipersnake: Jun 2 2008, 06:16 PM

The PS3 is a very odd console in my opinion. I'm still on the fence whether I should get one. Back during the early days of the PS2, it was obvious that the PS2 is a more powerful console than the Dreamcast. While I'm still a big Dreamcast fan, I must admit that the PS2 ran rings around the Dreamcast. Part of it is because of the raw power of the PS2, but mostly it has to do with the DVD format.

DVD allowed the PS2 to have MPEG2 quality video and audio; some games even have DVD-style extra features to fill the disc. It really showed off what you can achieve with the extra space. As for PS3? I'm still not seeing any absolute use for all that extra space, besides high res textures. Some gamers might insist that the extra texture size does make games look prettier, but let's not kid ourselves; was it REALLY necessary? The PS3's initial promise was that ALL games will run on 1080p. What happened to that promise? It's having a hard time even trying to look like Xbox 360 games, let alone run 1080p (despite 360 games running "only" in 720p).

So, what am I trying to say? Optimisation of the system is what's required for games to perform best, not disk space. Even back during the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube era, multiplatform games do not come in similar sizes. For example, Soul Calibur II might look similar across all three systems, but their sizes were not: the PS2 version was around 4+ gigabyte, Xbox version was 900+ megabyte (really), and the Gamecube version was around 1.5 gigabyte. This shows that with proper optimisation, you don't require much space to fill a disc.

Let's go back to the PS3. If Sony insisted that Blu-ray was a necessity for PS3 to happen, why are Xbox 360 games able to pull off similar graphics, and worse, even performs better on Xbox 360? Giving the excuse that the Cell processor is difficult to program for is no excuse. Gamers who want to play games with the best performance will wonder why they paid extra for less performance. In the end, Blu-ray had nothing to do with the quality of the games themselves, rather just a trojan horse to introduce Blu-ray into user's homes. You know it's true.

I may sound overly critical of the PS3, but it's only because I care. I own a PS1 and PS2 after all. But where PS1 and PS2 really trumped their competition with superior hardware and quality games, PS3 do not offer that. Yet. Perhaps MGS4 and FFXIII will change all that. Until then, I will stick to the Xbox 360 for my gaming fix.

you tak suka you keluar

^ ftw......

trying not to be biased... im a ps3 owner and i second your thoughts on this issue.. why has not $ony issue proper dev. tools for dev to work on ps3 ... but im just hoping for the best that ps3 will be not the successor of our well known gamecube/dreamcast ( console to fail)

time will tell.... it's up to the exclusive titles made by those devs now. My hopes are riding on them.

1. Konami
2. Media Molecule (LittleBigPlanet)
3. Guerilla Games (Killzone 2)
4. ReadyATDawn
5. Team Ico
6. Square Enix
7. Insomniac
8. Naughty Dog (Unchartered)
9. Lucasarts

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Added on June 2, 2008, 7:20 pmLet's hope the PS3 proves the adage "Good Things Come To Those Who Wait" to be true.

This post has been edited by slickz: Jun 2 2008, 07:20 PM

yea and lets next year be the GAME for 1080p

LETS ALL GET XBOBX 360 COZ PS3 SUCKS!

as we know, game always being developed...so if sony has realised their mistakes, i think they would do some improvement on their product....i believe they will make use of the big capacity of the blu ray disc(not for now perhaps)....

but for game like tekken6 and other fighting games, sure not worth the money....

I bought the ps3 for its exclusives and i'm trying to avoid buying multiplatform games as much as I can unless its really good. Else its just like subimpact says, too much space wasted on a 50gb bluray.

edit: typo up there sorry snipersnake

This post has been edited by TerryZeroX: Jun 2 2008, 10:57 PM

I choose PS3 over Xbox360 because of the stupid failure rate. You don't want to play half way through the boss level or any dramatic gaming moment and experience RROD. Plus PS3 are more silent than Xbox360. It is a disgrace to pay for such system and waste your time waiting for RMA because sooner or later you will get RROD for sure. It is like having a busted gum and wait for the time to get your rotten tooth remove. It's damn pathetic!

As for the current PS3 titles, GTA IV, the upcoming MSG 4 alone already worthed every penny to get the system. Not to mentioned the soon-to-be-release FF13 exclusive by SE and those sequels like Resistance 2 and also Kill Zone 2. The game library will grow over time. You look at it in the longer run

spammers GTFO and don't ruin a healthy discussion please

does anyone else realise that the PS3 is lacking the genre that was so famous for the PS2, which is RPG?

man the Sony systems are so known for their RPGs, but we have yet to see a proper JRPG on the system, whereas the Xbox 360 already has two. it shows that developers are supporting the genre that has the most gamers, FPS. very bad trend, because there are just too many of 'em around!

haha this thread IS where we voice out our dissatisfactions for the PS3, be it in optimization or games right?

This post has been edited by nerd: Jun 2 2008, 11:35 PM

I smell console wars coming soon. Theres not much diff between this two consoles anyway. Zillions of comment had been compare against this two consoles and in the end no diff at all. Stop being fooled by fanboys criticizms and comparison. They weighed the same on equal sides if u try to compare both sides problems and awesomeness. In the end in terms of stability and convenience, still pc blows this two aside. Let's juz cast FF and other rpgs aside, pc still run the current games pretty well and u can online and play pirated also. No ROD, no blu ray failure. No overheating issues. Can watch porn, watch movie , watch anime , download other stuff and listen to mp3 while playin game too. Tonnes of Online game out there for u to grab instead of waiting for ps3 or xbox360 games to out.

Over time, it will. You need to look into the developer point of view as well. Developing on PS3 platform ain't cheap and takes alot of time.

Yes, it is lacking RPG and SE are slow to deliver their killer titles

yeah, dats right. it was the rpg's that got me hook on the PSX and PS2. Gamers like ff7, xenogears, Breath of Fire series, Kingdom Hearts and Legend of dragoon, all classic rpg's that really shines in these both consoles. Sad to say that neither PS3 or the 360 have any this great rpg's stature. I chose the 360 over the ps3 because of its large game library. If the ps3 can churned out great rpg titles, im getting a system.

(Nope, MGS4 alone can not save the ps3, it needs more)

PC is the true Next-Gen, no doubt about that.

I agree with topic starter ...

but not agree he use gtaiv for example :-s

Most recent example i think is lego: indiana jones :-s

the graphic use ps2 can dy >.<

but ps3 game price, not worth it >.<

Im not a fanboy, i went thru a lot of gaming consoles thru my years, but the ps3 to me at the moment is rated worst next to the Saturn. If sony don't buckle up until the end of 2008, i fear that it will die an embarrassing death. But i do hope it will do great cause it has potential...

was Saturn an embarassment? i recalled it have its shares of good games? jrpgs? no need to hold your breath, JPN gamers already decided their jrpg systems -> ps2 slim + DSL.

jrpgs dont need HD-grafix and HD-Audio. 16-bit jrpgs FTW!

then what are you doing in Consoles Couch to begin with?

we are not engaging in a console war, as you can see here the discussion has been very healthy and neutral, save for a few nonconstructive replies we've received every now and then. we're not discussing about superiority of systems. we're just discussing about the PS3's unfulfilled potential and unjustified high pricing of games over the opposition.

anyway, back to topic, I really hope that the PS3 developers can maximize the potential of the PS3 and deliver us some of the great games that are trademarks of Sony's consoles, great RPGs. Imagine how great of an RPG can be put inside a 50GB blu-ray disc.

MGS4 is enough to make some people sway and get a machine just for that (like me) but it's definitely not the PS3's saving grace. the follow-ups that Sony makes after the release of MGS4 will be

i see your point...that is the problem with multiplatform games. Devs have to consider the x360 aswell when developing a game.

50gb bluray could easily make an RPG gametime over 100hours if the devs really want to put some time on making it

I do agree pc is the true next-gen, the price to pay also super next-gen

no way I'm gonna play a 100-hour storyline RPG

they can exploit the space to include heavier action sequences.. more sidequests.. that sort of thing.

but yea creating an RPG takes alot of time and effort for the developers.

It have but its hard to developed on it at that time and SEGA oredi talked about their next system when the saturn is only 2 years old, what a waste.

I got my jrpg fix from my DS...

2 jrpgs i am looking forward to: ff13 and white knight chronicles

Sometime i feel XBOX 360 user are so d*mb.

We all knows that next-gen console is made up of new stuff.

Like last time, everybody say why bother buying PS2? Nothing good about it, just one black bulky console with no game can be played. In the end? It's one of the most wonderful console.

It's still early to judge this console. It didn't even being start to venture into 2 years yet. Give it time. XBOX360 is on different story, release early, but game still the good-old-plain graphic like PC. Let's try put MGS4 on PC, let's see what gonna happen.

Don't like those said,

Windows ME is good enough for me, Windows XP? What the heck is that? No software supporting it and it is slow. What's now? Everybody using XP.

People do not learn to optimise or create game or whatsoever program, in short term. They might successfully created the game on PS3, but they still do not have idea to optimise the game on the platform and cause the performance drained down.

You might say now might not be good for it, but i can bet that you will say in the next 2 or 3 years, PS3 is one goddamn wonderful console i've ever seen. Human never learn, they just wanted everything to be at it best when it released. If you think those devs doesn't do a goddamn good job enough, then why don't you create your own console and own game?

Don't forget, last time when PS2 just release, every game is smooth on it. Now? You can feel the game frame by frame especially those latest game.

Maybe it's much much more complicated as there is more complicated hardware being used. It's just early year of PS3, give it chance. Think.

This post has been edited by a13solut3: Jun 3 2008, 01:18 AM

I sense that u are a sony fanboy.

Please dun dissed the PC by saying it had plain old graphic. FYI, the PC is the Ultimate gaming machine if u do it good. What happen if you put MGS 4 on the pc?? is the pc gonna explode??? The ps2 had a slow start but it didn't take almost 2 years to get great games in it.

The prob with the PS3 is that Blu-ray is still not the standard format yet. When the ps2 was launch, dvd were already the standard format. Blu-ray is way head of its time, that's why most dev have hard times developing games on the ps3.

But then it'll be safe to say when the devs are maximizing the usage of blue ray, ps3 will become much better than xbox right? Unless microsoft decided to equipped xbox with blueray player(which i dont think they will considering their rivalry with sony), sooner or later ps3 is gonna won the battle because with rapidly increasing technology, that wont be long . All we need is just patient xD. It's almost impossible for dvd to win a fully-utilized blueray.

So for now, xbox, but later surely ps3.

Well, let's look on the bright side, if ps3 fails as a gaming platform, it is still the cheapest blue ray player out there

As for me, I'll look at MGS4 as the benchmark of what a ps3 game should/could be, if it contains hours n hours of new type of gameplay n things to do n explore, heck, that alone is a value for money for me.

Wao.... the title is gone..... now pop up a word "Sometime i feel XBOX 360 user are so d*mb. "
Bcoz of this word, thats why the war will never end. Maybe i should get myself a popcorn too.
Maybe MGS4 is the best at gameplay and story. Graphic? I dun think so, i can find many game title graphic r much better than MGS4.

This post has been edited by nakata101: Jun 3 2008, 08:48 AM

alma alma.... some of you guys took him seriously?

^ PS3 supporter la this guy

game not out yet also how you know?

Oh i'm PC supporter too , i support Sony and PC, as both of my gaming platform are better than normal cheapskate comps lol. Anyway, certain game are not playable on PC that is released on PS3, than rather the XBOX rite?

PS2 take 1 year+ to get great games on it. PS3 haven't even touched 2 years yet. I don't think Blu-Ray is the problem for devs, it just burn and play stuff. Maybe because of sudden change from normal resolution to hi-def?

I'm not really supporting anything here laa...

Just feel annoyed it's whether Malaysian or International, always bragging about the console negative feedback when it didn't even have proper or enough time to develop yet. Always judge earlier. All those thing are just merely a comparison. Human should really change their attitude. XBOX is already out of question ler since it release, 3 years? Wah i forget this is year 2008, i tot 2007, seem like PS3 almost 2-year-old already. zzzzzzz.. Doesn't seem 7th generation console will last for 5 years this time.

This post has been edited by a13solut3: Jun 3 2008, 10:11 AM

Hehe, i refer the trailer and game demo lah, u can see i put the word "Maybe", we all know what Japanese Dev can do, they almost hit the limit now, thats what i worry about the Japanese devs.

please note this is not console war discussion its just a feedback from you ps3 owners humble opinion about the extra disc space on blu-ray which is not fully utilized which makes us feel cheated..

like i noted before, Blu-ray is still not the standard format yet, that's why most dev's can't churned out every inch of it, with the exception of MGS4, which needs to be downgrade coz the game is too big for bluray. That's why devs still prefer the 360 or wii platform for their games.

btw PC have its pro and cons...

so do console...

but console is solely for gaming and home entertainment ...


making a next-gen PC will cost u RM1350 ??? i dont thinkso .. so thats the con for the PC

how ever getting a PS3 for RM1350 ? no sweat

anyway im a avid PC user and a console gamer... but i prefer to stick to my roots since i was born with a micro genius in my hand. (those days it cost like a bom to buy 1 micro genius system)

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Added on June 3, 2008, 11:00 amthen ps3 should had been manufactured with a DVD drive instead so our games can be the same price like its competitors... right ???

too bad ur a x360 user so u dont know what ps3 users are losing here haha....




This post has been edited by subimpact: Jun 3 2008, 11:00 AM

No need feel so lose lah, just play the game u want now, maybe later or next years Sony will pop up a surprise for u, just like when i playing the PS2 Shadow of Colussus, WTF, why each mission only got 1 BOSS, i never play a game like this b4, n this also the best game i never play b4, thats what i respect on Sony.

This post has been edited by nakata101: Jun 3 2008, 11:14 AM

I really don't understand some supporters. Wasn't the PS3 supposed to be at least 3 times more powerful than the Xbox 360? If that's the case, why hasn't it happened? There's a double standard going on here. When the PS3 was first unveiled, fans were quick to point out that the PS3 will wipe out the competition when it releases. Now that the PS3 is here, and it's not as promised, the supporters back up the PS3 again, saying that it needs more time?

I'm sorry, I don't see it that way. I want my purchases to justify itself upon purchase, not sometime down the road. Remember when the PS2 had games like Zone of the Enders or Ico? Those games immediately showed what the PS2 can do within the year it launched, not sometime down the road. The Xbox launched with Dead Or Alive 3 and Halo, games that showed off what Xbox can do. Dead Or Alive 3 in particular was praised for technical excellence for graphics in 2001, despite PS2 having a one year headstart at that time. So, new hardware can perform well. It just needs a good developer to harness the console's power.

Again, I'm not bashing the PS3 because it's trendy to do so or anything. There's simply not many killer apps out at the moment. MGS4 is the only graphical juggernaut on the PS3 so far. I don't doubt one day, when GT5, FFXIII or White Knight Story gets released, these kinds of discussion will be forgotten. When the time comes, PS3 will no doubt regain whatever grounds it lost this time round, and convince more developers to put out amazing games on the system. I once believed that the word PlayStation was synonymous with quality games, lots of quality games. PS1 and PS2 had an overwhelming number of games. Memorable games that I remember fondly. If PS3 were to reach that expectation someday, there can only be good news for gamers everywhere, not just PlayStation gamers. Don't take the console competition too personally.

FYI the XBOX processing core is better than PS3 if im not mistaken due to the 3 xenon processing unit that kinda crap stuff for technical geeks.. its been mention by a game developer for both x360 and ps3. futhermore the GPU of x360 is superior than the ps3 one also..


i read it somewhere before

BUT ANY how we are not discussing of the long term playability.or console war.... my ISSUE here is the CONTENT we are getting from the blu-ray game disc is not enuff for the price we pay for...

This post has been edited by subimpact: Jun 3 2008, 11:43 AM

haha, actually TS started this topic in playstation section to share with PS3 owners, dunno how it ended up here for console debating

since ps3 ori games are expensive, i really don't mind doing more research and reading up on the games before buy. if the majority of the titles are merely average and not worth to buy, also kinda good news, cos less poison and less money spent

AA titles can consider buying, the rest can consider renting or trading used games

yea the topic was for playstation people only ... dunno why come here pulak... its place alwiz invites flamewar and consolewar lolzz

I know what you're discussing, and I also know what I'm talking about. Why aren't you getting your money's worth from the Bluray? That's why I raised all the past platforms. Those platforms showed that DVD could really push gaming forward in ways CD simply could not. The PS3 was not delayed for it's Cell architecture or for the Nvidia based GPU; the Bluray drive was the reason. You'd think after all the delays, the Bluray drive was going to work wonders for PS3. Somehow I always knew that game assets simply wouldn't be able to fill a Bluray to the maximum. MGS4 is the only rule to the exception. Perhaps we'll see more of that down the line.

i hope so too.. killzone ? FF13 ? GT5 ? Godof war 3 ? kingdom hearts 3 ?
xenosaga IV or something like that ?

actually a few game titles got HD-Audio, but mutli-platform titles seldom support it.

but very few gamers have the setup to enjoy HD-Audio - except those home theater fans with their nice setups.

what i want is HD 1080p games

Someone mention b4 , Blu-Ray doesn't help in Game Graphic, it use to be store bigger media and data, example like a video or picture at higher resolution, u need larger media to store it. Only the GPU and CPU play the rules for better game graphic and smoother game. Blu-Ray may help to store all the game data in single media unlike some game need to separate it to store it inside the smaller media depend on limitation of the media drive.

ya if there is extra space why not the dev. chip in the MAKing of the game, or commentary like in blu-ray movies... or even like extra contents like wallpapers, strategy books and all that crap to make ps3 users content wif thier ps3 games that are multiplatform