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 2008 Mazda6 2.5 vs 2008 Accord 2.4, Compare 2 hot models from Honda & Mazda

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zweimmk
post Aug 11 2008, 01:11 PM

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I have to say, there is one color which the Mazda 6 really looks terrible in.

It's dark blue / purplish color. I'm sorry to say this, but that color is totally wrong for the M6. Not only does it make the lights look odd, it makes the car looks benglish. Stick to the white or black if you buy M6 guys, coz the blue/dark purple scheme is just wrong.
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post Aug 11 2008, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 11 2008, 01:11 PM)
I have to say, there is one color which the Mazda 6 really looks terrible in.

It's dark blue / purplish color. I'm sorry to say this, but that color is totally wrong for the M6. Not only does it make the lights look odd, it makes the car looks benglish. Stick to the white or black if you buy M6 guys, coz the blue/dark purple scheme is just wrong.
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Ya..i hate that color too...even on any car. It look even worse on a Camry...
I will most likely go for the undercarriage autofoam... the rear seat is the only thing the remove right?
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post Aug 11 2008, 02:17 PM

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This is for everyone's info, the 7th and 8th gen 2.4 uses timing chain. Not timing belt.

As for one of the service interval's of mazda6, if you were to change your filter after 48 months, you're gonna be shocked. 48 months in Japan is okie but in Malaysia, don't do it honestly. Irregardless it's a Honda or Mazda.

I personally drive a 7th gen 2.4 but have been admiring the mazda6 for quite awhile now. Too bad the Msia carries the lower end model of Mazda6. It would have been great if they carried the US flagship. smile.gif

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post Aug 11 2008, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(iceman08 @ Aug 11 2008, 01:42 PM)
Ya..i hate that color too...even on any car. It look even worse on a Camry...
I will most likely go for the undercarriage autofoam... the rear seat is the only thing the remove right?
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Yeah just the rear seats. Remember once you select the package, have your friend pick you up and come back about 4 hours later. If you stay there, I hope you have damn good willpower or you definitely get "poisoned" and go for more tongue.gif
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post Aug 11 2008, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 11 2008, 01:11 PM)
I have to say, there is one color which the Mazda 6 really looks terrible in.

It's dark blue / purplish color. I'm sorry to say this, but that color is totally wrong for the M6. Not only does it make the lights look odd, it makes the car looks benglish. Stick to the white or black if you buy M6 guys, coz the blue/dark purple scheme is just wrong.


Are you referring to the Lilac Silver Metallic (the pics I posted) or the Stormy Blue Mica (only available in 2.0L variant)? The Stormy Blue is one of my favourites. The Lilac Silver is my least favourite.

They have Black, Pearl White and Lilac Silver for the 2.5L but the least appealing amongst them all is the Lilac Silver.

You can have a look at the various colours below;

http://4a.mazda.com/product/mazda6/colour.html


Added on August 11, 2008, 3:47 pm
QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 11 2008, 12:39 PM)
I traded in my Vios to Toyota Topmark for the new Altis and that car has been foamed thoroughly, even with their thorough check - there was no comment at all. Throughout all the years that I sent my car for servicing, not once was there any problem. Even with my first 1k service in my new car, no problems at all.


I reckon that the Vios / Altis or even the Accord has more wirings / sensors than the Mazda6. How complicated can the Vios / Altis be? Should be easy not to spoil any of it's electronics.


Added on August 11, 2008, 3:48 pm
QUOTE(b00n @ Aug 11 2008, 12:16 PM)
Personally don't think there would be any warranty void in auto foaming as it's just a canister of auto form down the chassis.
If you took out the rubber lining on your door chassis etc, you'll find holes. that's where they pump in the auto foam and let it harden, strengthening the chassis.
There's no additional drilling or hole making or whatever in the process.


My only worries is that wires run from the top, bottom and sides and would definitely need to touch it. If anything happens, I'm afraid Bermaz would point the finger and say that the wiring has been tampered. But it's a good idea to pursue nonetheless. The other thing is the workshop where the foaming is done would probably not be familair with the Mazda6 and it's intricacies.


Added on August 11, 2008, 3:49 pm
QUOTE(pillage2001 @ Aug 11 2008, 02:17 PM)
I personally drive a 7th gen 2.4 but have been admiring the mazda6 for quite awhile now. Too bad the Msia carries the lower end model of Mazda6. It would have been great if they carried the US flagship. smile.gif


What do you mean by lower end model of the Mazda6? hmm.gif The spec for the 2.5L is already quite high. Just missing is the Sat Nav / Bluetooth option which even our friends in down south Singapore do not have.

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post Aug 11 2008, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 11 2008, 03:47 PM)
Are you referring to the Lilac Silver Metallic (the pics I posted) or the Stormy Blue Mica (only available in 2.0L variant)? The Stormy Blue is one of my favourites. The Lilac Silver is my least favourite.

They have Black, Pearl White and Lilac Silver for the 2.5L but the least appealing amongst them all is the Lilac Silver.

You can have a look at the various colours below;

http://4a.mazda.com/product/mazda6/colour.html
I think it's the ebony. It looked really dark bluish from far but dark purplish up close.
The color scheme is just wrong.

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 11 2008, 03:47 PM)
My only worries is that wires run from the top, bottom and sides and would definitely need to touch it. If anything happens, I'm afraid Bermaz would point the finger and say that the wiring has been tampered. But it's a good idea to pursue nonetheless. The other thing is the workshop where the foaming is done would probably not be familair with the Mazda6 and it's intricacies.
They only foam the frame, which in itself is hollow. There are scores of Accord owners, Camry owners, Civic owners, Lancer owners, City owners, Vios owners and possibly Corolla owners that have done this with no problem. People who own the latest BMW 5 series also have their cars done at KL Autofoam. The owner even showed me a picture of him going to Brunei to do up a Mcclaren F1 (which he didn't do in the end, can't remember why). I don't think the Mazda 6 more complicated than say a BMW and besides, Desmond seems to be in his shop 24/7 to supervise. If you're worried, you can stay and look as well but I warn you, he's got a poisonous mouth that will definitely poison you to do more for your car tongue.gif

Bermaz really need to spruce up their homepage, compared to Honda - there's just not enough useful information for prospective car buyers. It's even worse if you compare it with Toyota Malaysia's homepage where details of their new cars are well laid out for research.


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post Aug 11 2008, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 11 2008, 04:05 PM)
I think it's the ebony. It looked really dark bluish from far but dark purplish up close.
The color scheme is just wrong.


Eh, that's one of my favourites too. What's so wrong about it? It looks like the following pics if I'm not wrong;

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Unfortunately (or fortunately for you), this colour is only sold on the 1st Gen Mazda6 and on the Mazda3 if I'm not wrong. Not available locally on the new Mazda6.
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post Aug 11 2008, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 11 2008, 03:47 PM)
Are you referring to the Lilac Silver Metallic (the pics I posted) or the Stormy Blue Mica (only available in 2.0L variant)? The Stormy Blue is one of my favourites. The Lilac Silver is my least favourite.

They have Black, Pearl White and Lilac Silver for the 2.5L but the least appealing amongst them all is the Lilac Silver.

You can have a look at the various colours below;

http://4a.mazda.com/product/mazda6/colour.html


Added on August 11, 2008, 3:47 pm

I reckon that the Vios / Altis or even the Accord has more wirings / sensors than the Mazda6. How complicated can the Vios / Altis be? Should be easy not to spoil any of it's electronics.


Added on August 11, 2008, 3:48 pm

My only worries is that wires run from the top, bottom and sides and would definitely need to touch it. If anything happens, I'm afraid Bermaz would point the finger and say that the wiring has been tampered. But it's a good idea to pursue nonetheless. The other thing is the workshop where the foaming is done would probably not be familair with the Mazda6 and it's intricacies.


Added on August 11, 2008, 3:49 pm

What do you mean by lower end model of the Mazda6?  hmm.gif The spec for the 2.5L is already quite high. Just missing is the Sat Nav / Bluetooth option which even our friends in down south Singapore do not have.
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The 3 litre or was it the 3.5 Can't remember the displacement.
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QUOTE(pillage2001 @ Aug 11 2008, 08:56 PM)
The 3 litre or was it the 3.5 Can't remember the displacement.


Oh, you're referring to high end as in fitted out with a 273hp (6250rpm), 366Nm (4250rpm) 3.7L V6 engine with 6 speed gearbox. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 11 2008, 10:17 PM)
Oh, you're referring to high end as in fitted out with a 273hp (6250rpm), 366Nm (4250rpm) 3.7L V6 engine with 6 speed gearbox.  rclxm9.gif
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this is what we call "Zoom Zoom" thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ralf @ Aug 11 2008, 10:30 PM)
this is what we call "Zoom Zoom" thumbup.gif


This is why I personally like the CX-9. Comes with the same 3.7L V6 engine and with 20" wheels. drool.gif
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post Aug 12 2008, 06:17 PM

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Scratched my car again doh.gif This time very very lower part of front bumper. doh.gif got like 3cm long scratch. doh.gif

So much for pampering my car. End up same
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You can fix the scratch at chipsaway, cost about RM180. The color matching is flawless.
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 12 2008, 07:05 PM)
You can fix the scratch at chipsaway, cost about RM180. The color matching is flawless.


Thanks for the tip. smile.gif

I was also looking at the insurance for the Mazda6 and came upon this info. Apparently it's different (perhaps some do this also) that the payback sum for the 1st year is the full sum insured for total loss. After that, it's based on depreciated value. I'm told it's not like other insurance coverage where the payback sum is based on the depreciated value of the car on the day the claim is made.
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Honda's strategy for this generation is heading more towards upmarket. The choice of using the Honda Inspire as the Accord for the rest of the world shows the shift from sportiness to luxury. I think along they way, they had to make some sacrifices to the equipment in order to maintain their pricing against their competitors.

By the way, the cars assembled in the Honda Melaka plant are only sold for use in Malaysia. The Thai factory on the other hand, assembles and exports theirs to Australia and the rest of the Asean countries. I guess the quality of the Malaysian assembled Hondas just aren't good enough. sweat.gif

It's not likely the Mazda 6 will outsell the Camry or Accord anytime soon, but its definitely in the position to fill the gap left by Nissan. Nissan's choice to continue selling the Cefiro and the Sentra just don't make a lot of sense to me. Both cars are definitely past their sell by date.

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 12 2008, 10:55 PM)
I think along they way, they had to make some sacrifices to the equipment in order to maintain their pricing against their competitors.


Making sacrifices to the equipment to maintain pricing? yawn.gif Give me a break. That's a poor excuse for Honda to increase profits. Or perhaps they really need to offset the cost for the many warranty replacements they have to honour in the past.

I'm pretty sure many people already realise how skewed the Accord price is when they saw how low priced a fully equipped Peugeot 407 CKD can be. Competitive pricing of CBU units of cars like Mazda6 and Lancer GT also makes pricing of Honda cars in Malaysia look ridiculous for a CKD.

QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 12 2008, 10:55 PM)
By the way, the cars assembled in the Honda Melaka plant are only sold for use in Malaysia. The Thai factory on the other hand, assembles and exports theirs to Australia and the rest of the Asean countries. I guess the quality of the Malaysian assembled Hondas just aren't good enough.  sweat.gif


Yeah, Singapore also gets Thai made Accords. Oh, if you look at the 2.4L Accord specs from Singapore, you'd know why the Malaysian version is very much shortchanged. sweat.gif

If anybody want to take a peek at the Mazda6, there'll be a roadshow starting tomorrow in One Utama.
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today bought taiwan motor magazine June'08 edition which compare new Accord 2.4 vs Mazda 6 2.5 and new Accord 2.0 vs Mazda 6 2.0.

Accord 2.4 was prefer slightly than Mazda 6 2.5 due to its spacious cabin and assesories in which Mazda 6 2.5 lost out without bluetooth and back windows shade. hmm...

On the other hand, Mazda 6 2.0 earn more points than Accord 2.0 as the Mazda 6 2.0 (Taiwan version) was well equiped with assesories and it has proven that MZR is better than i-Vtec.
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taiwan Accord is different spec with malaysia. malaysia accord got no bluetooth. abt built quality of taiwan accord... better than malaysia? i guess so.

if im not mistaken, taiwan mazda 6 2.5 is lower spec than malaysia mazda 6 2.5... the one i remember is taiwan without keyless entry...

correct me if im wrong.
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 12 2008, 10:55 PM)
Honda's strategy for this generation is heading more towards upmarket. The choice of using the Honda Inspire as the Accord for the rest of the world shows the shift from sportiness to luxury. I think along they way, they had to make some sacrifices to the equipment in order to maintain their pricing against their competitors.

By the way, the cars assembled in the Honda Melaka plant are only sold for use in Malaysia. The Thai factory on the other hand, assembles and exports theirs to Australia and the rest of the Asean countries. I guess the quality of the Malaysian assembled Hondas just aren't good enough.  sweat.gif

It's not likely the Mazda 6 will outsell the Camry or Accord anytime soon, but its definitely in the position to fill the gap left by Nissan. Nissan's choice to continue selling the Cefiro and the Sentra just don't make a lot of sense to me. Both cars are definitely past their sell by date.
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All this while Honda has always position Accord in a luxury market..By using Inspire for this Accord is merely to satisfy the US market for their demand of big cars...Americans are always fond of big car with big engine..thats why even Mazda have a bigger M6 with bigger engine for them now...Same goes to the Australian and some Asian countries....It is more important now that the Americans are buying sedan instead of fuel guzzler SUVs..
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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Aug 13 2008, 03:26 AM)
taiwan Accord is different spec with malaysia. malaysia accord got no bluetooth. abt built quality of taiwan accord... better than malaysia? i guess so.


Is the Taiwan Accord coming from Thailand? I've heard about the Thailand 2.4L variants having GPS Sat Nat. Possible with Bluetooth also. But our neighbours down south don't get this on their 2.4L Accord if I'm not wrong. Can anybody confirm?

QUOTE(genkis3 @ Aug 13 2008, 03:26 AM)
if im not mistaken, taiwan mazda 6 2.5 is lower spec than malaysia mazda 6 2.5... the one i remember is taiwan without keyless entry...
Sure? I'm trying to access Mazda Taiwan's website but it's taking ages. mad.gif


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QUOTE(kizuna6 @ Aug 13 2008, 01:08 AM)
On the other hand, Mazda 6 2.0 earn more points than Accord 2.0 as the Mazda 6 2.0 (Taiwan version) was well equiped with assesories and it has proven that MZR is better than i-Vtec.


This should give enough confidence to people wanting to buy the 2.0L Mazda6 even though thte Malaysian variant of the 2.0L Mazda6 lacks accessories from the same price point as Accord and Camry's 2.0L.

Anyway, the best comparison review of the 2.5L Mazda6 vs 2.4L Accord (plus Skoda and Mondeo) so far I can tell was done by the Australian Wheels magazine. A good and believable comparison because Australian auto magazines are generally considered strict and their expectations are pretty high. Secondly, the models reviewed (Mazda6 and Accord) are quite similar in configurations and accessories.

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