Well, I wouldn't consider someone who can afford a 150k car as having made it already. At best, he/she would be someone who could afford a relatively comfortable life but still have to worry about money when the grind kicks in. Of course it's a different story if it's someone who's just buying a 150k car just for daily use or if it's someone who aren't that concerned about luxury cars

So I would think a car's resale value would still matter to some considerable degree and when the time comes to let go of that 150k+ car for something better (or worse), there's no doubt the majority of us would like to get as much money back as possible. Or at least this is how I feel, I would still want something that gives me great value when the time comes for me to let it go.

When I can buy a 300k+ (or more) car without batting an eye, then I probably wouldn't be that concerned about resale value

By undervalued, do you mean to say that the Mazda 6 is priced lower than what it should be or do you mean that it's resale value is lower than what it should be?

Regardless, there's always a chance that Mazda's would become common marque if Bermaz plays their cards right. Already I'm seeing more Mazda 3s on the road in comparison to a year back. Still, this isn't something that's going to happen overnight, for the time being, they have to play catchup and at least in my opinion pass Mitsubishi in terms of sales volume before Mazdas have a decent resale value.

It still is an awesome car by the way, unfortunately, my pockets aren't deep enough to afford it

I think Honda probably can if they wanted to. Afterall, they have the volume in Malaysia. But why would they want to hurt their margins when their main competitor, Toyota, isn't offering more to their customers either? As it is, There is a solid customer base for Honda here. Just look at the number of Honda supporters in this forum and you have an idea. They only need to offer some additonal tangible perks and people would spread the word on about how they offer more value for money and have superior performance and I agree, Hondas do offer more value and have better performance but at the end of the day, I still wouldn't buy a Honda because I'm more concerned about other issues such as comfort, practicality, reliability and image the car projects.

I think the current Mazda 6 is both very sporty but yet also project a very elegant and classy feel to it. If Bermaz plays its cards right then it would be a car that I would give serious considerations about buying a few years down the road.

You asked if Honda can fit all the same kind of equipment as given by the Mazda 6. I said Honda probably can but it would not make much sense to them since it would mean less profit. Honda's main competitor has always been Toyota, not Mazda. Being an established brand name, they only need to add some additional perks to make their offering more attractive. Honda products will sell as long as they are priced reasonably close to Toyota and they already have the volume so it makes no sense to try to grab a bigger volume unless it's for market share. Their Malacca factory can barely keep up with demand and they seem to have some major issues with QC lately, so more volume isn't necessary good for them.

Now Mazda is not a big brand in Malaysia. You can practically count the number of Mazda cars on the road as compared to the T&H badge. If they do not offer more to attract customers, then I'm afraid the number of people who would actually buy a Mazda would be a very niche group of people. If Mazda wants to establish a bigger brand presence and a larger market share then they will definitely need to take a hit on their profits to offer a high quality product to our discerning motorists here. Judging from what they have done so far, they seemed to be on the right track. As for Peugeot, I have my reservations, only time will tell if the locally assembled products measure up against their European counterparts.

I'm sure there's many disgruntled Honda, Toyota and XXX brand owners around but let's face it, there will never be a perfect car unless one is prepared to pay the premium for it. As long as these major auto brands do a reasonably good enough job and solve their customer's problems, people will still go back to them.

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Jul 10 2008, 03:56 PM

Our cars are expensive because of all the politics and taxes, it doesn't matter if you CBU the Accords in, it'll still cost that much because of those reasons. Then there's also volume, currency etc. etc.

Peugeot cars have never really made an impact outside of Europe nor do I think it has been very popular in the Asian markets. While having an attractive price selling point helps, I don't think it will boost their market share that much. If you look at Hyundai, their cars well featured for the asking price, but yet their sales volume is still behind luxury brands like Mercedes, BMW, Mitsubishi or even Suzuki! So success for Naza Peugeot remains to be seen.

Your may want to do another "research" More to the tune of local Honda quality instead. Links gathered are courtesy of poster: Corek

Disappointed with Honda Accord 2008:
http://www.motortrader.com.my/asp/forum/to...?TOPIC_ID=28239

ALL QC related issues:
http://www.motortrader.com.my/asp/forum/to...?TOPIC_ID=28277

New Accord G8 Issue..Pls Share here:
http://www.motortrader.com.my/asp/forum/to...?TOPIC_ID=28011

UNhappy with 08 Accord 2.4!
http://www.motortrader.com.my/asp/forum/to...487&whichpage=1

Problems With 2008 Honda Accord
http://blog.thestar.com.my/permalink.asp?id=15439
in case star delete it view it here...http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5339/shitsj2.jpg

and more...
http://www.motortrader.com.my/asp/forum/fo...asp?FORUM_ID=30

You should also check in with autoworld.com.my honda forums as well. But at the end of the day, I think it depends on whether your dad is lucky or not

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Added on July 23, 2008, 10:44 amNothing that can't be solved with a little KL Autofoaming (Ultimate to luxury package) and soundproofing

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Jul 23 2008, 10:44 AM

That Munich dude goes around almost every forum claiming superiority of Accord over [insert car brand]. An annoying brat really.

It looks like the accord is shaping up to be a pretty good camry eh?

I think the writer of this Honda accord article will agree with you, she called it both an uncle & an ah beng car. LOL

http://www.sgcarmart.com/news/review.php?AID=35&PN=2

Funniest quote from the article

Come on, use a little common sense, they aren't exactly in the same category are they?

I might as well say the Mcclaren SLR looks better than the 3 of them then?

The Accord and Mazda 6 are cars that launched 2 years after the Camry. I do not expect anything less.

The Vios is outselling the City with an average of 2763 units per month as compared to 974 units for the City.
The Civic on the other hand is outselling the Altis by a small margin with an average of 766 units per month to 515 units this year. The Civic was pawning the Altis hard last year but don't expect this trend to continue with the launch of the new Altis. I also don't expect the Vios to outsell the City by such a large margin once the new City launches next year.

http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles...1502/page_m.asp

I would expect no less from the Mazda 6. Japanese car manufacturers have technology which are very similar to one another. Any variance should be minor, so while the Accord have a little better FC, I do not expect that figure to exceed by 1L to the Km. In fact, it is more likely to be in the region 0.3 to 0.6km to litre.

I believe if one can afford a 150k car - FC and resale value probably isn't too high on the list of concerns as long as it doesn't fare too poorly against cars of the same segment.

If the Mazda 6's resale value is 5 to 10% less than the Accord or Camry, it's still considered fair for a niche brand car. If its greater than 10k (15%) then it depends on how long you wish to keep the car for.

If the Mazda 6's FC is 8.4km/L and the Accord is 8.9km/L, then the difference is negligible.

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Aug 5 2008, 02:50 PM

I think I've been pretty neutral throughout this entire thread. Posting my opinion together with some facts on the advantages of Mazda over Honda.

Being a Toyota owner myself, I'm actually very surprised to see the kind of response coming from someone who owns an Alphard & a Accord. Hello sharkteef, this isn't some pissing contest to see who has a bigger penis or who owns a more expensive car. It's great that you think the Accord is a good car, I do too. But accept the fact that it too has its fair share of shortcomings. Granted that some of the posters here posted what seemed like an inflamatory post, but they're just expressing their opinion on why they think the Accord isn't better. I don't think they have at any point called the Accord a piece of shit.

You can disagree if you wish, but at least post something constructive on why you think the Accord is better instead of posting comments which outright make you look like an immature little kid.

We all have a certain brand we support, but it's also important to know the brand's merits and shortcomings so that we can give feedback for it to improve. Unless of course if you're paid to support the brand, it's an entirely different story.

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Aug 6 2008, 12:15 PM

Come on, no need to get personal here. Billytong has stated that the car is unique is because there's not many of them on the road in Malaysia.
So what's the problem with that? I fail to see the offensiveness in his statement.

This whole thread has been about Mazda 6 vs the New Accord so what has this got to do with the number of service center available, the kind of service you get at the service center? So on what basis do you base your arguement that spare part is difficult to procure? What we have are only assumption that it will be costly and it might take time to obtain them, it doesn't necessarily mean that might be the case. Alkt and if memory serves, as stated by Chips of motortrader - Car manufacturers are required to keep a certain level of spare parts as inventories for the cars they sell. So what's up with the coffin shop and heart attack statement?

Your prediction that Mazda will fair worse under Bermaz which is a Vincent Tan company is based on what? The dude is certainly tangled up with the Lingam case, but what has that got to do with his companies? Last I check, they seem to be doing ok and Bermaz seems to be doing a rather adequete job of promoting Mazda. Don't you think it would only be fair to give them the benefit of the doubt for at least a year before jumping to conclusions?

Another point is the Mazda 6's resale value. We agree that its resale value is probably going to be poor compared to a Camry or Accord. But 50% less? Let's be realistic here, last I check with the star classifieds, its resale value is about 10% less than that of a Camry model for the same year which isn't too bad for a niche car brand.

If you say something like:

- The Accord is more comfortable because of its class leading cabin space - nobody is going to dispute with you on that because the dimensions speak for themselves.
- The Accord is more powerful based on test results from magazines & personal experience - again not much to dispute because you substantiate your findings based on proper research.

So far all you have demonstrated is typical fanboyism mentality by attacking another brand because their opinion differs from yours which is clearly seen from page 24 onwards of this entire thread. I'm not taking sides here but at the very least if you want to attack someone to justify your statements, do it like jchue73 who consistently post some facts to back his claims (with the exception of his Mazda 3 pawning everybody statement, which is just dumb ).

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Aug 6 2008, 03:37 PM

This was his original quote:

and his follow up was

The way I see it, he's stating an opinion. Sure it may make him look like an arrogrant twat to some but it's still just his opinion which he's entitled to. Anyway, we'll leave this part at that.

I've followed this thread from start to finish and you're right, I don't think I would bother to re-read the entire thing either.

Now a 2.0L Mazda 6 is selling at the price of 82k+ listed in the classifieds for year 2005 as I recall. To simplify matters, we won't take into consideration the condition and mileage on the car.

A 2.0L Camry for the same year is selling for RM84 to RM89K. If we take the lowest point into consideration, it's only a difference of 2k and at its highest, the difference is roughly 7k. The margin is about 5 to 10% isn't really that big of a deal. Assuming if you can afford to buy this level of car, the next car that you want to buy probably is something more expensive. If we take a somewhat high median of 6k, the difference isn't too significant if the next car you want to buy cost over 200k. Let's put it this way, for example if you're willing to pay over 200k for a car, what's an additonal 10 grand? Would it be significant to bat an eyelid? I don't think so. I think most of us would think that a few years from today, we would have moved on to finer and greener pastures don't you agree?

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Aug 6 2008, 04:28 PM

I dunno about you, but I've always taken 5 years loan and that's too long imo.

Anyways, if you can afford to buy a 150k car today, the next common progression would be a more expensive car in the 180k range. But we don't have any bigger or better in that price range unless you're willing to consider the BMW 1 series, Mini, Golf etc. Those are nice conti-cars but it would be like a step down to go from mid-size sedan back to compact sedan range. The only other options are the VW Passat or those unreg units and if you don't fancy those - then the next step are 200k range cars.

Let's assume you take a 7 year loan, you will need to pay off at least 4 years worth of installation to get anything significant back for a downpayment. But if you're already able to afford a 200k car, an additional 10k really isn't going to make you bat an eyelid now would it?

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Aug 6 2008, 05:02 PM

If you haven't noticed, the thread has already degenerated into a senseless flame war with enough fuel to burn for a long time. You don't need to compound the problem further by adding more fuel to the mix.

I leave it to your own conclusion on who you think is at fault here. For your information, the entire thread was FINE until page 24... Ok, there was one or two retarded comments before page 24, but nothing major escalated from it. Now look at it from an outsider point of view and read from page 24 onwards, that's where all the problems started to come in and honestly, it was fine up to that point. I think everyone was pointing out what they liked or don't like about the respective cars in a rather civil manner then BOOM! The rest is history.

Allow me to enlighten you little grasshopper

http://www.motortrader.com.my/asp/forum/to...?TOPIC_ID=26816

Please read all post made by poster: Munich.

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Aug 6 2008, 08:33 PM