Mazda 6 2/5: rm178,359.00
just increase rm3k .

i think this is not a wise move for bermaz.
with rm7k different, it will pulling off those who tempting to get M6 but worry abt resale value,service centre and now having hard decision to choose betweem more polular T&H brand or mazda. now higher % they will choose T or H.

Agreed. Bermaza should have done better in promoting sales instead of putting burden on the price tag for short term gain. anyone on the statistic on sales from Bermaz SA thus far in Mazda6?

Product and service under the shadow of Vincent Tan always dont come cheap. When he feel his stuff is selling good, he will increase the price. High margin is more important than volume in his eyes.

Errr, it's 519 litres on the Mazda6 vs 450 litres on the Accord.

What about 18" wheels, auto sensing headlights, full LED rear lights, ISOFIX seats etc. Applies to your comparison with Camry.

Also, I don't think the Accord uses Xenon lights. They use older tech halogen for their headlights.



Again, it's 519 litres on the Mazda6 vs 420L on the Camry.



This I find pretty useful actually for the person seated in the rear.

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Added on August 16, 2008, 11:15 pm

I agree with you. But what if somebody says they don't like that style and prefer the existing one on the Mazda?

Ah, the thing is that it's quite hard to please everybody.

For me, I find it ok. I don't play games. So any configuration also I need to learn and adapt. Thumb to shift down and middle finger to shift up. Played with it this afternoon.



For me, I shift using my right thumb and right finger. The downshift button is large enough not to be confused and if you're like me (use right hand), you won't be messing with the audio since the audio buttons on the left of the steering.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Aug 16 2008, 11:18 PM

For me its great that Mazda did not follow others on the paddle shift setting..what if when you try to shift up when revving at high rpm only to accidentally shift down? Beside the extra two down button really makes the steering even more cool...

billy, IMO european engine amd gearbox especially Audi, Volkswagen are far more advance than the japs...like the new A4, is only 1.8L but its turbo, produce more than 160hp and yet sip petrol even lesser than a Honda City...and the 8 speed gearbox also play a role here...All japs engine are quite similar to each other....though 2.5 M6 produces 170hp vs Accord 2.4 at 180hp...you will see the advantage on the 2.5 M6 as it will not stress the engine much when you rev at high RPM.Besides you can easily increase the 170hp to more than 180hp by tuning it or adding a chip tuning..is only the matter of whether the manufacturer want to increase more HP to it. They have to take fuel consumption into consideration too....

You know? I told the Mazda Salesman and said that by lowering down the rear seat I can put some tilam and that is enough for 2 adults to sleep there. I guess I dont need MPV/SUV to have a full size bed for 2 adults.

Yeah I agree on that. Our roadtax system doesnt seems to work well with JP cars. Unlike other country they charge their roadtax base on fuel consumption and emission. Perhaps may be Proton is a reason why our gov cant run those system?

Correction on trunk space: 519L (Mazda 6) vs 450L (Accord) and 420L (Camry)
For the Accord: It's could be Xenon low beam and halogen for high beam. Can't say for sure until an Accord owner verifies this.

18 inch wheels isn't an advantage if you ask me. It looks nice but it wears down faster (at least according to the Lexus website) and it also adds weight. And they both have LED rear lights and ISOFIX seats is quite standard even in my car. It's not stated on the website, but it is in the car manual (ISOFIX).
The additional advantage would be the auto-sensing headlights and by that I assume it's similiar to the feature found in the Sylphy where the lights light up in dark conditions.

I dunno about you guys, but I would gladly trade-in the rain sensing wipers, auto-sensing headlights, 18" wheels and paddle shift for better leather seats (Nappa) and good windshield tinting (Llumar, Vkool) as a standard because those 2 items would have a much higher comfort value.

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Aug 17 2008, 04:48 PM

tinting and better leather seat can always get from shop, but those rain sensing wiper,auto headlight,paddle shift can't. only chance is get from bermaz. but i doubt bermaz will have optional install those gadget. if they have, i think many 2.0l m6 owner will tempting to upgrade their underspec m6.
so in my opinion, i rather get tinting and better leather seat from shop myself than losing other features in car. except 18" wheels, coz i feel after market wheels look better.
the owner of m6 said the leather seat is consider higher grade than accord,but i dono how's it compare with Nappa.

Accord dont have LED in their rear light....only Camry and Mazda 6...and Accord don't even have projector light...

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Added on August 17, 2008, 10:11 pmI agree with you..things like tint and leather seat can be done here...even Nappa is avail here...and we can customize according to our own preference...features such as rain sensing, auto headlamp, paddle shift are something you can't get it done....

This post has been edited by iceman08: Aug 17 2008, 10:11 PM

There's no bi-xenon bulbs on the on the Accord headlights. It's only halogen. Please refer to the artcile below and the feedback by a user name RAM;

http://blog.autoworld.com.my/index.php/200...accord-24-vtec/

You can also refer to Australia's Honda Accord website;

http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/in...Specifications/



I agree with you. Might as well ask the car manufacturers to give us 14" wheels then and don't give us so expensive 17" / 18" wheels. Saves money on tyres.

18" and above (to a certain extent) is performance related. Road holding and cornering is much beter on a set of 18" wheels.



When you say "both", what car are you referring to? Please don't veer to far away. Accord and Mazda6 only please.

As far as I can recall, the Accord only has LED lights on the puny 3rd brake light. Camry? No idea.

For a list of cars that are fitted with ISOFIX mountings, please refer to website below;

http://isofix.pegperego.com/p.php?l=en&p=5

For a family man like me, I place these kind of safety features on the top of the list.



My replies would be the same as genkis3's.

If you have money also you cannot buy upgrades to features like rain sensing wipers, auto-sensing Bi-Xenon (AFS) headlights and paddle shift.

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Added on August 17, 2008, 10:15 pm

Agreed.



If they give 18" Dunlop SP Sport tyres on the CBU Mazda6 for around the same price as the CKD Accord that comes with 17" and Goodyear tyres, you want to reject meh? Just take only lor...



I believe the Lancer GT comes with Nappa leather. I sat in my colleagues Lancer GT and I thought it was quite nice. When I got the Mazda6 this weekend and inspected it, it's way better than what is given in the Lancer GT's Nappa leather.

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Added on August 17, 2008, 10:17 pm

Wait till you have kids. Any amount of space also not enough.



In UK, yes roadtax is based on emission. That is why the Mazda6 is quite favourable as excecutive company cars as they pay less tax. In Holland, roadtax is based on car weight. On a side note, I also like the idea that tax on cars (and hence car prices) are cheap and while tax on fuel is high. Those who use the car more (and hence more fuel) would bear the cost. I think that's fair.

FYI, emission on the 2.4L Accord is 209 g/km while the Mazda6 is 192 g/km.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Aug 17 2008, 10:17 PM

Shouldn't you be referring to the Malaysian website instead? It states HID headlights with auto-levelling for the 2.4VTI-L. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't HID mean there's xenon lightbulbs in there together with the ballast etc?

Correction on Accord: LED lights only for 3rd brake lights
But I was referring to the Camry with LED lights, HID headlights with AFS.

Not accurate to refer to that sit at all. It's a commercial company that sells ISOFIX base and some of its data needs updating. It would be better to refer to a vehicle listed published from Euro NCAP instead. Besides, it's already confirmed that the 2009 Euro Accord has ISOFIX seats, just don't have an accurate confirmation for the new Accords used for the rest of the word.

Note that I only say certain items like rain sensing wipers, paddle shift, 18 inch wheels and auto headlights (which I assume is the auto light on/off) in exchange for better seats and tinting.

But since you're referring to Bi-Xenon or HID headlights with Adaptive Front Lighting System then it's a different story and I would have stated the following statement instead:

I would gladly trade in rain sensing wipers, paddle shift and 18 inch wheels in exchange for better leather seats (Nappa) and good tinting (Vkool, Llumar).

Agree on that, ofter all it is all about road tax. The one who use fuel more usually use road more. hence paying more tax sounds fair to me. I am the guy who use less car than others. My M6 have not pass 600KM miledge yet.

Errr, Autoword.com.my not a Malaysian website meh? HID does not mean it uses Xenon headlights. Read the Autoworld website. Why would the owner complain that his Accord does nto have Bi-Xenon headlights if it already had?

Besides, if the usually higher spec Australian Accord from Tom Yam land does not have it, do you think Malaysian version would?

Reason why I quoted Australian website is because Malaysian and Singaporean Honda websites don't mention it.



I use that website because it has a generic database. It makes it's business to know about cars that have or do not have ISOFIX fixtures in cars. Euro NCAP has got nothing to do with ISOFIX. The seating arrangement indicated on the website is just for reference only. Basically it's only to tell where the ISOFIX fixtures are located in the car and how many are available in the car.

And here you are talking again about the Euro Accord which is totally out of topic. 2009 version at that.

Euro Accord is not equal to 8th Gen Accord made in Alor Gajah or made in Thailand.

So do you have any info that mentions that the 8th Gen Accord (Thailand or Malaysian made) comes with ISOFIX fixtures?



I added the AFS thing to prove a point. But since the Mazda6 already comes with leather seating which can be as good if not better than Nappa leather seats, the only "missing" thing is the good tinting.

The Malaysian Honda website did mention the 2.4VTI-L comes with HID with autolevelling but not AFS. HID usually refers to xenon headlights.

Please note that 2009 version means this year. Even in US, the Mazda 6 being sold THIS YEAR is referred to as the 2009 Mazda 6.
We already know that the Euro Accord has ISOFIX, we don't know if the new Accord being sold in Malaysia or Thailand now has ISOFIX. Preliminary data indicates that the Accords being sold here does not come with ISOFIX seats.

If you're referring to the quality of leather, I don't think it would be better than Nappa. If you're referring to the comfort level of the seat cushioning is as good or better than that of Mitsubishi Lancer GT, then I would probably agree with you.

As a driver, I consider the following ammendities indispensible

1. Good comfortable quality leather seats
2. Good quality tints to keep out the sunlight
3. GPS
4. HID headlights with AFS and AL
5. EPS with Tilt & Telescopic function
6. Power seats preferably with massage function
7. Steering wheel with cabin controls
8. Cruise control

As you've probably noticed, my lean is towards comfort and convenience levels. Particularly if you're always caught in a traffic jam, I think one would appreciate these features more than they would care for paddle shift or wireless entry with push/start engine button. Fortunately, the Mazda 6 manages to have just about everything except for points 2 & 3 as compared to the Accord which lacks point 2, 3, 4, 5.

But we must not forget buyers will now have to fork out an additional 7 ~ 8k for those features. All things considered, not really a lot of money since you're already paying so much for the car in the first place but still noteworthy to bring up.

HID in this case does not mean Xenon. A lot of people confuse and take HID to mean Xenon while most of the time they are actually Halogen.

If like that the Mazda5 that comes with HID lights also comes with Xenon which it does not !



I'm fully aware that US calls the current year car models +1. But like I mentioned, the 8th Gen Accord is no Euro Accord and the thread does not discuss Euro Accord.



Good quality tints? Which car comes with tints like Llumar? If they did, the tinting is always done locally and handled by some shop somewhere else and price adder is given for it. At the end of the day, it boils down to the same thing. Do it yourself and you get to pick which one you like according to your budget and tinting preferances.

GPS is nice to have and it's still at it's infancy in Malaysia but with the Malsingmaps, it's still quite useful and usable. Yes, I've always wanted this on the Mazda6 but then I thought would I be able to afford the price if the 2.5L Mazda6 came with one... For the moment, my solution is to get a portable Garmin Nuvi 200w or something similar.







A car is not always meant to be caught in a traffic jam. there are times when you travel long distances with your car on the highways or B roads. Giving those options you mentioned above distinguishes C and D segment cars.



Actually, you forgot that the additional 7 to 8k is not for those accessories you mentioned only. But other things like the fact is it's CBU Japan (not CBU Thailand), Bose audio, power seats with memory and many other things not found on the Accord which would easily justify the additional 7 to 8k price tag.

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Added on August 18, 2008, 3:40 pm

There's actually a video on youtube by a German auto show which pitted the new Audi A4 against the Mazda6.



- Edited with the correct youtube link.

Base on that video, the Audio is 1 second faster at 0-100km/hr acceleration and FC for both cars are similar at 9.3L/100km.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Aug 18 2008, 04:15 PM

yeah
thats why its personal opinion on the paddle shifters...

but there is a reason why mazda engineers designed it that way...


if i am going to get this car (which i highly might), i will definitely downsize the rim to 17" ultra light weight

On our bumpy roads, I think the 17" tyres would perform more favourably. But then again, changing a set of 17" tyres + rims would cost a bomb.

actually u are trading in the 6 stock 18" rims and rubbers which can fetch quite good value already

so you should be topping up maybe RM 600-700 the most....

provided u change it the moment u get your car la..

That's true. Not too sure about the rims that come with the Mazda6 2.5L but if they come with a certain offset, then how? Don't know if the shops would want to trade it in.

there is so many tyre shop around so you can search until you find one that carry the rims that fits your car nicely