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post Aug 22 2012, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(SHENGXIAN @ Aug 21 2012, 10:40 PM)
Hi guys and all the professionals,

I am so glad to see there are so many members that are willing to help out.

I have no basis of economics/ investment-related knowledge but i am keen in trying to understand the field and especially the concept of Benjamin Graham.
However, i couldn't relate them to Msia's Bursa due to my limited knowledge and source of information.

May i ask where could i obtain more information? (Does The Edge still valid as a good source of information?)
May i ask for the jargon for index  fund used in Msia?
As a beginner and learner, may i request for more advice as  what i could do to improve my skills of investment (i am hoping to to learn to value a company to invest primarily in dividend instead of capital gain)?

Any advice and guidance are greatly appreciated.

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Some relevant website for investor's reference:

i. Morningstar
ii. www.fundsupermart.com
iii. kclau.com


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post Aug 22 2012, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(SHENGXIAN @ Aug 21 2012, 10:40 PM)
Hi guys and all the professionals,

I am so glad to see there are so many members that are willing to help out.

I have no basis of economics/ investment-related knowledge but i am keen in trying to understand the field and especially the concept of Benjamin Graham.
However, i couldn't relate them to Msia's Bursa due to my limited knowledge and source of information.

May i ask where could i obtain more information? (Does The Edge still valid as a good source of information?)
May i ask for the jargon for index  fund used in Msia?
As a beginner and learner, may i request for more advice as  what i could do to improve my skills of investment (i am hoping to to learn to value a company to invest primarily in dividend instead of capital gain)?

Any advice and guidance are greatly appreciated.

Sincerely
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er.. bro, i think U are posting in the wrong topic/thread IF U are focusing on "..to learn to value a company to invest primarily in dividend instead of capital gain".
Fund houses and Mutual funds/Unit Trusts - U would never know in real-time what companies they are investing in, nor would U know what companies the funds are holding in real-time. Post-real time (like every Quarter), the fund houses may publish their TOP holdings per fund, and even then, it's not ALL the holdings per fund.

Try scrounging around the Stock Exchange threads/topics http://forum.lowyat.net/StockExchange , and search for dividend investing.

In addition, U can pop over to your favourite book store and look for http://www.dynaquest.com.my/spg.html which has several donkey years of data (EPS, DPS, PEs, etc) + last 3 years of financial ratios. U can also try online subscription to Equities Tracker http://www.equitiestracker.com/
Both the book + online does have write-ups on each of the statistics' usages for U to develop your own filtering criteria.

Just a thought notworthy.gif
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post Aug 22 2012, 04:43 PM

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Thanks for all the the advice.

I will post the topic in the mentioned relevant areas.
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post Aug 22 2012, 07:45 PM

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I was doing some reading and found this. Very basic for a lot of people. Just wanna be clear..

http://www.signalinvest.com/personal/learn...ticle_id=100102

So this is how return should be calculated. My question is let's say u got 2 UT. After calculating both the annual profit %, u add them up and that's your total portfolio profit?

Fund A 2% annually
Fund B 3% annually

So total 5% right?
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post Aug 22 2012, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(dewVP @ Aug 22 2012, 07:45 PM)
I was doing some reading and found this. Very basic for a lot of people. Just wanna be clear..

http://www.signalinvest.com/personal/learn...ticle_id=100102

So this is how return should be calculated. My question is let's say u got 2 UT. After calculating both the annual profit %, u add them up and that's your total portfolio profit?

Fund A 2% annually
Fund B 3% annually

So total 5% right?
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if both invest same amount/ time, i think it shud be (2% + 3%) / 2 = 2.5%

or,

A = RM10,000 and the profits = rm200
B = RM10,000 and the profits = rm300

rm500/rm20,000 x 100 = 2.5%

or, if diff amount at same time,
A = RM10,000 and the profits = rm200
B = RM5,000 and the profits = rm150

rm350/rm15000 x 100 = 2.33%

uncle wong, xuzen betul-tak?
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 22 2012, 11:48 PM)
if both invest same amount/ time, i think it shud be (2% + 3%) / 2 = 2.5%

or,

A = RM10,000  and the profits = rm200
B = RM10,000 and the profits = rm300

rm500/rm20,000 x 100 = 2.5%


or, if diff amount at same time,
A = RM10,000  and the profits = rm200
B = RM5,000 and the profits = rm150

rm350/rm15000 x 100 = 2.33%

uncle wong, xuzen betul-tak?
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For the same TIME ENTERED and EXIT (green), yup simple calc for 1 year, same ENTRY and EXIT time, is the CAGR / compounded pa.

For the different TIME IN/OUT/more than or less than 1 year, er.. not calculatable to me using simple calc coz time value of $ is not comparable, thus, best to use Excel's XIRR() function. i'm a calculator baka, too dependant on Excel sweat.gif

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post Aug 23 2012, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 23 2012, 09:36 AM)
<koff><koff> Unker checking in tongue.gif
For the same TIME ENTERED and EXIT (green), yup simple calc for 1 year, same ENTRY and EXIT time, is the CAGR / compounded pa.

For the different TIME IN/OUT/more than or less than 1 year, er.. not calculatable to me using simple calc coz time value of $ is not comparable, thus, best to use Excel's XIRR() function. i'm a calculator baka, too dependant on Excel  sweat.gif
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Bro.. I tried few times using XIRR, but still not successful lei.. sad sad
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post Aug 23 2012, 09:49 AM

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I'm just using simple average annual return on capital invested...

Profit / Average Invested Money x (1 year / Years Invested)
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The various economic indicators out of China is very bad. One of my China stocks plunged 30% in 2 days after reporting a loss.

The there's the fiscal cliff in US. And Europe isn't getting better.

Yet everytime there is bad news out of China/Europe/US, markets go higher because Hopium addicts aka traders and speculators expect more stimulus.

It's a difficult environment to invest in doh.gif
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QUOTE(Angel On Fire @ Aug 23 2012, 02:26 PM)
The various economic indicators out of China is very bad. One of my China stocks plunged 30% in 2 days after reporting a loss.

The there's the fiscal cliff in US. And Europe isn't getting better.

Yet everytime there is bad news out of China/Europe/US, markets go higher because Hopium addicts aka traders and speculators expect more stimulus.

It's a difficult environment to invest in  doh.gif
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- keep more cash
- go easy on equity exposure in your portfolio

that's all we can do sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 23 2012, 02:36 PM)
- keep more cash
- go easy on equity exposure in your portfolio

that's all we can do sweat.gif
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These are exciting times we're living in - woohoo!
First time in my life i'm excited over the fear and pessimism surrounding MY, SG, CH & US markets sweat.gif coz semi-prepared mar (i don't think anyone's 100% prepared tongue.gif)

When all else is too iffy to make a decisive judgement-call, IMHO, best is to fly-blind & go back to basics (money management, risk management and asset allocation). Just a thought notworthy.gif


Added on August 23, 2012, 2:52 pm
QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 23 2012, 09:37 AM)
Bro.. I tried few times using XIRR, but still not successful lei.. sad sad
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message (U've my Yahoo & Skype mar) or PM me lar.
Cannot be that hard to use mar XIRR, UNLESS U only have the HOME EDITION of Excel, which doesn't support XIRR tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 23 2012, 02:36 PM)
- keep more cash
- go easy on equity exposure in your portfolio

that's all we can do sweat.gif
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And yet I am afraid of missing out on bargains.

Greed and fear sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Angel On Fire @ Aug 23 2012, 02:56 PM)
And yet I am afraid of missing out on bargains.

Greed and fear  sweat.gif
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Park your cash in FDs/money market/short-dated bond funds, so that u don't lose too much in the meantime icon_rolleyes.gif

and when hell breaks loose, it's time to go all out brows.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 23 2012, 02:44 PM)
These are exciting times we're living in - woohoo!
First time in my life i'm excited over the fear and pessimism surrounding MY, SG, CH & US markets sweat.gif coz semi-prepared mar (i don't think anyone's 100% prepared tongue.gif)

When all else is too iffy to make a decisive judgement-call, IMHO, best is to fly-blind & go back to basics (money management, risk management and asset allocation). Just a thought notworthy.gif
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Mr Wong,

I'm 60% equities, 40% cash. Currently adding 5% stock exposure every month.

If I'm into Singapore and China stocks, what's your recommended strategy for next few months?


Added on August 23, 2012, 3:02 pm
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 23 2012, 02:58 PM)
Park your cash in FDs/money market/short-dated bond funds, so that u don't lose too much in the meantime icon_rolleyes.gif

and when hell breaks loose, it's time to go all out brows.gif
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Yup, am currently putting the cash in a trust a/c that earns 2.5% interest nod.gif

This post has been edited by Angel On Fire: Aug 23 2012, 03:02 PM
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Take a look at the list of bond yield of each countries. Notice that PIGS bond yield goes lower. Is that mean money flowing in to buy their bonds? Interesting...

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/bonds-list-by-country


Added on August 23, 2012, 3:07 pm
QUOTE(Angel On Fire @ Aug 23 2012, 03:01 PM)
Mr Wong,

I'm 60% equities, 40% cash. Currently adding 5% stock exposure every month.

If I'm into Singapore and China stocks, what's your recommended strategy for next few months?


Added on August 23, 2012, 3:02 pm
Yup, am currently putting the cash in a trust a/c that earns 2.5% interest  nod.gif
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I suggest you can observe Wilmar. It's robert kuow's company that invested heavily in China. Btw, i do not hold this stock. Just an opinion no any recommendation to buy tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 23 2012, 02:58 PM)
Park your cash in FDs/money market/short-dated bond funds, so that u don't lose too much in the meantime icon_rolleyes.gif

and when hell breaks loose, it's time to go all out brows.gif
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yeah.. the problem is WHEN and HOW DEEP a discount/lelong sweat.gif
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post Aug 23 2012, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 23 2012, 03:14 PM)
yeah.. the problem is WHEN and HOW DEEP a discount/lelong sweat.gif
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God knows biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Angel On Fire @ Aug 23 2012, 03:01 PM)
Mr Wong,

I'm 60% equities, 40% cash. Currently adding 5% stock exposure every month.

If I'm into Singapore and China stocks, what's your recommended strategy for next few months?


Added on August 23, 2012, 3:02 pm
Yup, am currently putting the cash in a trust a/c that earns 2.5% interest  nod.gif
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u buy STOCKS instead of funds? unsure.gif
Oi, salah thread, sini FUND Investment Corner tongue.gif

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 23 2012, 03:14 PM)
yeah.. the problem is WHEN and HOW DEEP a discount/lelong sweat.gif
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...and how low is really low...
...and do u really have the guts to jump in when everyone else thinks its the end of the (financial) world sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 23 2012, 03:17 PM)
u buy STOCKS instead of funds? unsure.gif
Oi, salah thread, sini FUND Investment Corner tongue.gif
...and how low is really low...
...and do u really have the guts to jump in when everyone else thinks its the end of the (financial) world sweat.gif
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Usually need to set a target as to when jumping in to buy stocks e.g. 30% down then buy slight, another 20% then buy more.
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QUOTE(silentemotion @ Aug 23 2012, 03:23 PM)
Usually need to set a target as to when jumping in to buy stocks e.g. 30% down then buy slight, another 20% then buy more.
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In gambling dictionary, that is called Martingale tongue.gif

What if u run out of ammo to buy as it continues to go lower and lower? whistling.gif

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