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Kaka23
post Nov 10 2011, 08:44 PM

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Why EU stocks now up? Yesterday drop a lot..
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post Dec 3 2011, 07:17 AM

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Anybody using any iPad apps to monitor all your investment? Can recommend which apps is good?
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post Dec 15 2011, 12:16 AM

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Why osk uob money market fund can drop more than 2.6% in one day? Thought money market fund don't drop that much and is very low risk.
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post Dec 15 2011, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 15 2011, 07:46 AM)
Nothing concrete but i guess the fund just issued dividends, thus NAV dropped? U are right that money market funds usually doesnt drop 2.6% in one day (unless something major happened to fiat $)
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Huh.. Today checked osk uob fund, got a surprise again! Their Growth and Income Focus Fund (balance fund) and Oskuob Equity Trust Fund dropped 16% and 10% respectively! I hope it is giving dividend but seems weird giving at middle of the month.

Feel like investing in them... But worried as well.

I also cannot find any source saying their Money Market fund giving dividend! I am wondering if osk uob management of the trusts are doing wrong/bad investment or what?
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post Dec 16 2011, 05:42 PM

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I have confirmed.. 5 OSK-UOB funds giving dividends, so that is why seeing drastic drop!

Time to go in... tongue.gif

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post Dec 17 2011, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 16 2011, 07:31 PM)
What're the 5 funds?
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Oskuob money market fund
Thematic fund
Growth and income focus fund
Equity fund
Small cap opportunity fund
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post Jan 11 2012, 01:08 PM

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anyone knows if it is possible to have 2 unit trust of the same one (say OSK-UOB Kid Save) but buy from different distributor (say 1 from UOB Bank and another from FSM)?

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post Jan 14 2012, 06:31 PM

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Anybody went to the unit trust fair? How was it? Good?
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post Jan 15 2012, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 15 2012, 09:32 PM)
Anyone if know what fund can lump sum, please tell biggrin.gif
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No one knows bro.. To be safe, you can do lump sum on bond fund or wait for world economy crisis like in 2008, then buy the equities funds.
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post Jan 30 2012, 05:36 PM

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Hi,

Do you guys think it is wise to dump most of my $$ in Am Dynamic Bond rather than in my flexi home loan account (BLR - 2.1%)?

I know bond has risk as well, not as high as equity funds. Well.. no risk no gain right? This bond risk is lower, so willing to consider this option.


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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jan 30 2012, 06:46 PM)
yes it's a good bond no doubt, juz take note on the 1% exit fee
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yea.. that is the down side..

But anybody doing this option by dumping in bond fund rather than the 100% safe dumping in flexi loan account to reduce interest payment?
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post Jan 30 2012, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 30 2012, 07:58 PM)
FYI - my flexi's BLR -2.2%, thus effectively it's 4.4%pa now.

I wouldnt suggest DUMPING most of yr $$ into any bond funds - best to have it spread, eg. 50% at most into bond funds (not specifically AmDynamic Bond) and the other in yr flexi home loan a/c.

Heck, if you're an equity investor (normal stocks, equity funds, REIT stocks, properties, etc), U may not even want to dump in 50% as your $ in yr flexi mortgage is "available any time" for U to buy into opportunities WHILE nearly making as much a bond fund (nearly heheh - say 5% to 6% pa on average). By "not placing" the $ in a bond fund, U dont have to worry about the entry or exit cost from the bond fund when U want to go on an equity buying spree.

Personally, i've only moved a small amount of $ from my flexi mortgage into a bond fund - at most, less than 1/3, and then only because i've accumulated more than what i plan to use for equity purchases within a year. Pls note that i'm an "asset allocator" and "DY% or value lelong buyer" at heart, thus keeping enough cash around for opportunities & re-balancing is needed tongue.gif  - your mileage may vary greatly if you're more focused on Fixed Income.

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Thanks for your thoughts! I am a very new investor in mutual funds, so dont really have broad enough knowledge on what will be best in an investment. At this moment, I am only in Mutual Funds. No Stocks, no forex, no futures, no properties.. I think I will not be able to handle them as I am very new and most importantly not enough ammo for those investment. But I agree with you, need to have some ammo when opportunities come... I miss out the opportunity during 2008/09 crisis. That time, only put in FD.. until something knocks my head and says... hey, why you are not making your surplus $ working for you instead!

Mind I ask... what do you mean by DY% you mentioned above?


Added on January 30, 2012, 8:27 pmI would like to ask all sifus out there... I am not sure if my concept regarding mutual fund is correct or not. I always think compounded is correct, but after deep thought.. I cant seem to find a proof for this.

Lets say I invest in a fund in lump sum of RM10K for 10yrs. And this fund in 10yrs increase 100%. So my question is what will my profit be?

A) if 100% increase, when I sell at year 10. I will be getting RM20K? So profit will be RM10K?

B) Or there will be compounded factor in my profit? Can I say 100% in 10yrs, so 10% is anualized for 1yr. So when I sell at yr 10, I will get approx RM27K. So RM17K is my profit? (I calculate this compounded value from a website, I hope it is right)



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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 30 2012, 10:57 PM)
No seafood here yar, just a worker ant chugging along & sharing hopefully something useful  notworthy.gif
DY% = Dividend Yield %, a measure of returns for stocks/REITs and any dividend paying investments
eg.
1. If U bought a REIT stock for $1 per unit and it gave U $0.10 net dividend at the end of the year, U can say your REIT stock's net DY% = 10%
2. If U bought the same REIT stock later in the year before dividend ex, say $2 per unit, and got the $0.10 net dividend for your 2nd REIT transaction, U can say yr 2nd transaction net DY% = 5%

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On your Q on compounding, i think a visual will help explain here
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Based on the visual above:
1. Assuming your $10K grows 100% to $20K, yes you will profit $10K but look at the per annum growth zig zagging
2. Assuming your $10K grows 10%pa compounded, U will notice it's $26K (rounded up), not $27K. Well, assuming it's $27K, $17K is your profits

The Qs U posted is a bit... weird. It doesnt ask a cohesive Q and I think none of the answers above helps..
Pardon me if i'm mistaken, are U trying to figure out HOW TO CALCULATE your CAGR?
either for each of your entries/transaction and/or TOTAL for all entries/transaction for a fund?
heheh - the best As in the world cant help if the Qs arent on target - thus my clarification request notworthy.gif
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Dear Mr Wong,

Thanks for trying to answer my "weird" question. Haha.. appreciate your effort to help out. Maybe I am no finance people and even dont know what is CAGR. Although I have google it put for many times on this term, but just cant really inject the meaning into my head.

What I am confuse is, can I actually calculate my return/profit (say I buy lump sum and sell after 10yrs) using compounded return when I buy into any unit trust? (say example OSK UOB Kid save, in fundsupermart saying the bid to bid annualize return for 10yrs is 11.6%)

If using compounded return (based on Kid save fund), my RM10K will become approx RM32K when I sell off.. is that right?


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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 31 2012, 12:20 AM)
Mr Wong's my dad tongue.gif, i'm just wongmunkeong and i'm in IT, thus not Finance ppl too biggrin.gif.
Ok, back to "work".

The concept of CAGR is in simple effect, your returns on your capital + returns on returns, which i think U've nailed down. It's just the bleeding maths thinggy right? i'm no maths genius (Credit3 only for SPM  cry.gif) but logic is my game, thus, in Excel, for lump sum:
1. IF U know the %pa compounded (CAGR) and years compounded
U calculate forwards for $10K and grow it by 11.6%pa compounded, it'll be $29,966.90879,
eg. $10,000 * (1 +11.6%)^10yrs
Note: The karat symbol, "^", is math's "BY POWER OF" (pls correct my math's English if i'm mistaken)
Thus, yes, you're right IF past history is repeated perfectly for your purchase and sell timing
I'm just assUme-ing that U are estimating your future returns?
If so, please be aware that U should always look at "bad ending", "good ending" & so-so ending scenarios for your time horizon, to get a holistic probable view (IMHO lar).
eg
for 10 years' bad ending = 1999 Jan to 2008 Dec
for 10 years' good ending = 1998 Dec to 2007 Jan
for 10 years' so-so ending = 2001 Jan to 2011 Dec

2. IF U know the total value at end of 10yrs and want to find out the %pa compounded (CAGR)
CAGR %pa  = (Current Value / Cost)^(1/years) -1
Where:
Current Value = units * NAV (ie. redemption value / sell back value)
Cost = total cost for that transaction or purchase

Using your example, Kid Save Fund:
Current Value = $29,966.90879
Cost = $10,000
Years = 10
Thus, CAGR = ($29,966.90879/$10,000) ^(1/10) -1
=2.996691 ^0.1 -1
=1.116 -1
= 11.6% pa compounded (CAGR)

Cool or  rclxub.gif ?
For multiple entries/buys (like DCA or VCA) in a fund, calculating your overall CAGR is even more  rclxub.gif (unless U use Excel's XIRR function to have a close approximate) but calculating each entry's CAGR is the same as the above (2).

Hope the above helps more than confuse  notworthy.gif
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I "think" I am cool wongmunkeong! Haha..

So from your explanation, I can say that CAGR is the same as annualized Percentage that fundsupermart publish at their website. Ya.. I am trying to project my return based on history performance...

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post Mar 13 2012, 01:07 AM

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Am dynamic bond drop so much today... More than 3%
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post Mar 16 2012, 11:35 AM

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why most bond and money market fund drop ar now?
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post Mar 16 2012, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 16 2012, 12:56 PM)
Ya or...AmDynamic Bond drop...AmBond drop...even AmIncome Plus also dropped shocking.gif

Cannot be BNM increasing rate at this juncture hmm.gif
It'll be economic suicide sweat.gif
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Not only AmInvestment bond drop.. PM and also Hwang also..
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When do you guys think GE will be held?
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post Apr 7 2012, 09:25 AM

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My gold fund is droping and droping... sigh, when la it will go up!
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post Apr 8 2012, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 7 2012, 10:27 PM)
No Sifu here boss, just an average Joe focused on making something for my girl and my retirement  notworthy.gif
Attached is the mutual fund worksheets in ZIP.
Please remember to "Add-Ins" and put in the stuff required (see screenshot), else the CAGR using Excel's XIRR() function wont work.
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As for the Stocks worksheet.. er.. i'm having trouble thinking of how to make it easy to use as it reads a CSV EXPORT FILE specially formatted by me from HLeB tongue.gif
Let me meditate on it a bit yar and see how it can be solved easily  notworthy.gif

NOTE: USE AT YOUR OWN RISK - it's my cleaned-up personal worksheets with some samples for U to understand and modify to your own needs.
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Wong, how to we do the add on? Cant find any add on button in my exel la.. tongue.gif


Added on April 8, 2012, 9:09 amWong..

wah, your spreadsheet really complicated especially those formulas. The formulas are looking at me rather than I am looking at them la. I think you need to give us some tuition on how to use excel already.. haha

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