Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Fund Investment Corner v2, A to Z about Fund

views
     
silentemotion
post Jul 29 2012, 12:04 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(Monkey79 @ Jul 27 2012, 02:09 PM)
Hi guys. My agent recently suggested switching from PCSF ( receive nothing since started investing in 2008) to PRSF so I can get some dividends by next April. How to calculate dividend receive if I switch now? Is it gonna be pro-rated? Thanks.
*
Please do not simply switch bcos of dividends. First u need to ask urself, will PRSF performs better than PCSF? If it does, then your welcome to switch.
silentemotion
post Jul 30 2012, 10:16 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 30 2012, 02:55 PM)
Fellow investors - dumb Q for Domestic Funds:
Possible post Election drop (Sep/Oct?)
VS
Possible QE3 by USA in Sep/Dec which will chase up equities in Asia

Which is more probable or they negate each other? tongue.gif
Just something to chew - food for thought heheh.
*
think US and EU will keep on print more and more notes. It ends up tons of tons of money flow to asia countries. I believe many asia countries have the pressure to lower down the interest. China already started to lower down the interest so not sure about msia. I think minor correction will happen after general election but not major. Look at many countries index, STI, HangSeng and KLCI still look ok. Just my 2 cents

Hope more people contribute more idea and thoughts.
silentemotion
post Jul 31 2012, 12:05 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(Monkey79 @ Jul 30 2012, 11:55 PM)
when invested knew nothing, only because the agent told me the unit price dropped half and it was the best time to enter so dump 10k inside in Nov 2008..then continue DCA till the past April. When the agent suggested the switch, he only mentioned just need my signature and by next April I'll receive dividends. There questions came across my mind... if that's the case he should have asked me to join PRSF at the very beginning... so I dragged his appointment. not gonna sign anything before I know more about UT. Currently, I've decided to stay after identifying my objectives... long-term investment and capital growth. I'm not making any loss at the moment, if the unit price goes back to its 52-week highest which is around 0.2..my capital gain will be 50%!! So, by that time I can consider switching part of it to dividend fund to lock my capital gain there.
Si foo, pls enlighten me whether I'm on the right track. Thanks.
*
To lock down the profit, why not considering some bond funds? Dividend funds even though not so high risk comparing to high risk Index fund, but dividend funds are still investing high percentage in stock market. When correction or so-called bearish, blue chips like PBB did fall as well. Not to mention other blue chips like Genting, even though Genting is not considered as high dividend stock but i did see PDSF bought Genting in its portfolio.
silentemotion
post Jul 31 2012, 10:11 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 31 2012, 08:18 AM)
Hehe - similar thoughts here since 2010/2011.
In fact, i put my $ where my thoughts are - and the results are nice
a. extra $ into REITs (local + foreign ) had the biggest returns for my 2011 & early 2012 tracking

b. consistently carrying on my programmatic investments for local funds & value sniping at local stocks (iCap at 25%+ discount over NAPS +PBank at 2011 low) though i'm holding back a bit of % (about 5% to 8%) for local funds/stocks investment.


Added on July 31, 2012, 8:25 am
I think most seasoned investors (myself included), do NOT lock-in an equity fund's profit by SWITCHING to another equity fund.
We usually (there are exceptions as always) SWITCH to bond funds as they are a different "animal" or asset class from Equity Funds.

IMHO, SWITCHING from Equity Fund A --> Equity Fund B, should only be for sub-asset class re-balancing (eg. generic to REITs focused)
OR
opportunity value buying (eg. PIX to PRSEC now since KLCI Index all time high VS PRSEC near all time low).

Just a thought  notworthy.gif
*
I'm not familiar with REIT but it should be a good investment hence it distributes cash flow every quarters. But i am interested in IGB Reit. Can't wait for the IPO. Most of my stocks are distributing good dividends like Zhulian.
silentemotion
post Aug 1 2012, 11:21 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 1 2012, 10:29 AM)
U can invest DIRECT with your EPF savings...buy into REITs unsure.gif
*
Nowadays we can invest in stock market with our EFP account 1. But the same that it does have limitation like investing in mutual funds. You need to have certain portion of money accroding to age. age 31 needs to have basic 50k, then 20% of the remaining. Try search for thread - Withdraw EPF for investment. in this forum.
silentemotion
post Aug 1 2012, 03:42 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 1 2012, 02:54 PM)
u r saying, in addition to brokerage+clearing+stamp duty, u still have to pay admin/mgmt fees to invest with ur EPF money? blink.gif

sorry I've not tried investing my EPF money, so dunno the fees involved

if that's the case, yea do it via REIT-focused UT seems a better idea tongue.gif

my 1 rupiah idea - look for dividend-focused UT fund with high exposure to REITs? unsure.gif

AMB Divident Trust is one I know...about 20% in REITs (mostly local, also a bit in S'pore REITs)
*
How about PUBLIC FAR-EAST PROPERTY & RESORTS FUND?
silentemotion
post Aug 1 2012, 04:23 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 1 2012, 03:45 PM)
I don't buy UT thru banks and Public Mutual tongue.gif
*
Why? Any specific reasons?
silentemotion
post Aug 1 2012, 04:46 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Aug 1 2012, 04:35 PM)
Negative a bit bro... Do you read the REIT shares or REIT based UT fund performances historically (maybe can start from year 2008) for the Japan, US and Europe where they experiencing REIT value depreciation due to bad debt practiced in banking lending business.

It's a question above as I do not know, please share if you read that. So we can measure the risk of the REIT downside if it does exist.

Basically,I am feel worried and risky to buy high-end property (300K - 400K MYR condo in KL as for example) when I read the sad story of Japanese middle-income people shared their experiences in property financial. Their house price is much lower than the cost of borrowing and difficult to sell it of course.
*
Personally i do not read that. But i think most REIT here are still doing good. Of cos not all but a few like CMMT, Axis, SunReit and etc. The purpose of buying REIT primarily is to get their unit distribution, or i rather say dividends. I think 90% of the rental income will be distributed as dividend to investors. Here it provides dividends every quarters. It's a cash flow concept like what Robert Kiyozaki said. Of course, you still have to evaluate whether the dividend yield can beat the inflation rate, FD, and also EFP interest or not. So far i think due to share price appreciation, CMMT dy is getting lower and lower.

I quite confident that the rental is still can go up especially to those shopping malls like Gurney Drive mall under CMMT. IGB Reit is the one i am aiming at because i believe Mid Valley's rental can still go up.

Just my rupiah 2 cents. smile.gif
silentemotion
post Aug 6 2012, 10:04 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(gooice @ Aug 6 2012, 05:26 PM)
Icic...hmm is it wise for me to use a little portion of my study loan for investment purposes?
*
Usually i only invest using $ that i not urgently need. If you wanna invest, you should only invest only with extra $ u confirm do not need ti urgently.


Added on August 6, 2012, 10:05 pm
QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Aug 6 2012, 09:23 PM)
Yes, i do invested in Kenanga Syariah Growth Fund.
*
So far hows the performance of the fund?

This post has been edited by silentemotion: Aug 6 2012, 10:05 PM
silentemotion
post Aug 6 2012, 10:37 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Aug 6 2012, 10:32 PM)
Invested since last June this year. Profit @ 0.75%. Look ahead for more profit increase further but expect the loser side a bit based on current world economic scenario. KLCI still +/- weekly, it depend on the stocks holding by this fund.

Read further before make decision, perhaps everyone know the risk of the fund chosen.

I holding another fund with PM and profit @ 1%.
*
icic. Good that your still earning. Sometimes i feel it's not so suitable to benchmark with klci anymore as only 30 stocks listed in the index. It's pretty easy to manipulated instead.
silentemotion
post Aug 6 2012, 11:37 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 6 2012, 11:29 PM)
i hv more than 10 acc/funds in PM funds.

PSF,
PIX,
PIDF,
PSSF,
PISSF,
PISEF,
PITTIKAL,
PAGF,
PISTF,
PIOGF,
PRSF,
PIEF,
PDSF
PSBF,
I'm investing since 2007 and regular top up every 3 month. mainly from epf. i keep my stop lost at 10-15% for switching to bond funds. luckly never reach 15% since 2009.
but hv paper lost in 2008. but recover back.
*
Mind to share why investing in so many funds?


Added on August 6, 2012, 11:38 pm
QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Aug 6 2012, 10:49 PM)
I realize that this fund also had little portion in REIT as well. Huhuhu...
*
Is it? Mind to share the stocks investment portfolio of this funds?

This post has been edited by silentemotion: Aug 6 2012, 11:38 PM
silentemotion
post Aug 6 2012, 11:58 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 6 2012, 11:52 PM)
initialy when i become UTC, i simply hantam all the funds which going to decalre dividedns/distribution.my mistakes...... waiting for right time to  switch to 4 to 5 acc only. if i c no bad affect, plan to leave it.

another reason is as a UTC, i believe shud hv diversified to more funds. my another mistake.
*
icic. cos i see so many funds are investing in share market in very high percentage. I worried this might not be diversified enuf. now i understand.
silentemotion
post Aug 21 2012, 09:50 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(kaitokid @ Aug 20 2012, 06:42 PM)
Hello,

I have RM50k to invest, still young looking to increase my capital growth.
Willing to invest up to 5 years.
soo sifus, some questions:
1. How much gain am I looking at in 5 years?
2. How do I choose a unit trust? What should I look out for? Any recommendation?
3. Can I gain more by investing in different banks unit trust?
4. Is there such thing as dividen paying long term investments without buying stocks?
5. Should I focus on one investment, or spread out to others? (gold, stocks, etc.)

Newbie here,
thank you for any pointers.
*
1. this depends on your risk profile whether your willing to tk more risk or low risk.
2. anyway like forums, magazine, newspaper or etc
3. for this u need to look at the past records of fund...although past good record din guarantee future will be good too but at least it has a track record for u to refer.
4. getting dividends from unit trust did not increase your wealth. if your looking for steady dividend, why not considering reits?
5. not sure. i only invest in funds and shares and i feel it's enuf.

Personally i think that u can buy good dividend yield shares like carlsbg, gab, pbbank and etc.
silentemotion
post Aug 23 2012, 03:05 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
Take a look at the list of bond yield of each countries. Notice that PIGS bond yield goes lower. Is that mean money flowing in to buy their bonds? Interesting...

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/bonds-list-by-country


Added on August 23, 2012, 3:07 pm
QUOTE(Angel On Fire @ Aug 23 2012, 03:01 PM)
Mr Wong,

I'm 60% equities, 40% cash. Currently adding 5% stock exposure every month.

If I'm into Singapore and China stocks, what's your recommended strategy for next few months?


Added on August 23, 2012, 3:02 pm
Yup, am currently putting the cash in a trust a/c that earns 2.5% interest  nod.gif
*
I suggest you can observe Wilmar. It's robert kuow's company that invested heavily in China. Btw, i do not hold this stock. Just an opinion no any recommendation to buy tongue.gif

This post has been edited by silentemotion: Aug 23 2012, 03:07 PM
silentemotion
post Aug 23 2012, 03:15 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 23 2012, 03:14 PM)
yeah.. the problem is WHEN and HOW DEEP a discount/lelong sweat.gif
*
God knows biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
silentemotion
post Aug 23 2012, 03:23 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 23 2012, 03:17 PM)
u buy STOCKS instead of funds? unsure.gif
Oi, salah thread, sini FUND Investment Corner tongue.gif
...and how low is really low...
...and do u really have the guts to jump in when everyone else thinks its the end of the (financial) world sweat.gif
*
Usually need to set a target as to when jumping in to buy stocks e.g. 30% down then buy slight, another 20% then buy more.
silentemotion
post Aug 23 2012, 03:36 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 23 2012, 03:26 PM)
In gambling dictionary, that is called Martingale tongue.gif

What if u run out of ammo to buy as it continues to go lower and lower? whistling.gif
*
Yup. there are many What if conditions. Thats why i more prefer to invest in dy and stable stocks like pbb, nestle, dlady, carlsbg and etc etc. Chances of all these stocks going down 50% are relatively lower compare to other higher risk stocks like knm, time, timecom and etc.

So my strategy usually will be 30%-20%-20%. I will go in more during the final stage of 20%. It's a golden chance to buy if a good stock like dlady fall 50%. This is the chance for you to increase wealth and at the same time, gaining more passive income via dividend.

I forgot to mention, this 30%-20%-20% only applicable to high dividend yield and blue chip stocks. Other than that, i do not recommend unless your v confident on it.
silentemotion
post Aug 23 2012, 03:49 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 23 2012, 03:43 PM)
Care to elaborate your 30-20-20?

U mean if it drops 30%, u buy
drop another 20%, u buy
drop another 20%, buy A LOT

??? unsure.gif


Added on August 23, 2012, 3:44 pmHigh DY stocks, drop 20% also rare, 50% is fire sale already laugh.gif
*
Set a target price when to go in. Fall 30% then buy some. Another 20% then buy some again. Another 20% then u can buy more. But the stocks like PBB hardly ever can fall for 50% even unless the same 1997 crisis hits again. Remember Pbbank only fell from rm12 to rm8 something during 2008 crisis.

Basically it depends on how well you understand a company's financial condition e.g. how low NPL of a bank stock.
silentemotion
post Aug 23 2012, 03:51 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 23 2012, 03:43 PM)
Care to elaborate your 30-20-20?

U mean if it drops 30%, u buy
drop another 20%, u buy
drop another 20%, buy A LOT

??? unsure.gif


Added on August 23, 2012, 3:44 pmHigh DY stocks, drop 20% also rare, 50% is fire sale already laugh.gif
*
Dun forget, high dy or not, it depends on whether how high a company's profit. Higher profit only can distr better dividend. So, during crisis like 2008, lesser dividend is expected. A com that post no profit can still distr dividend, but how long it can sustain? rclxms.gif
silentemotion
post Aug 23 2012, 04:09 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 23 2012, 04:07 PM)
er.. bro, 2008 fiasco, PBbank fell to $7.50 or less leh.
Nah, not based on my old foggy memory - i actually bought at $7.50 drool.gif
*
Is it? i look at chartnexus history wor....unless the software data is wrong sweat.gif

2 Pages  1 2 >Top
Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0918sec    0.63    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 10th December 2025 - 01:56 AM