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Fund Investment Corner v2, A to Z about Fund
Fund Investment Corner v2, A to Z about Fund
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Oct 29 2012, 05:06 PM
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sowie to new , DDI cmeans??
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Oct 29 2012, 05:15 PM
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2,429 posts Joined: Jul 2007 |
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 29 2012, 01:16 PM) What's your strategy for this fund in you are in the profit? Do you take profit on your gains or let it run?the reason why i ask so is that normally i dont have any eastspring funds in my FSM portfolio. So to take profit, normally this would means selling the units. this would mean that if i were to buy this fund again, then i will incur another 2% sales charge, rather than switching to another eastspring funds, which i dont have any now. |
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Oct 29 2012, 08:37 PM
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5,608 posts Joined: May 2011 From: Here, There, Everywhere |
http://www.thereformedbroker.com/2012/10/2...-dumb-bastards/
33 Times, You Poor Dumb Bastards Joshua M Brown October 26th, 2012 I'm going to say this here and now for posterity and I hope you bookmark it: There's going to be such a brutal bond investor slaughter at some point over the next decade that the streets of Boston's mutual fund district will run red with blood, the skies will be shot through with the lightning and thunder of unexpected capital losses and those who manage to survive will envy the dead. Now a slaughter in bonds will not look like an equity market crash, the volatility characteristics are different and bonds eventually mature. But in some ways it will feel much worse than a stock crash because the money parked in bonds is thought of as low or no-risk. The fixed income guys know what's going to happen, too. Why do you think the Bond Kings at PIMCO and DoubleLine are pushing into equity funds? They're getting three-year track records under their belts for when the big switch comes. And it will come. You know how I know this? Because you lunatics are plowing money into fixed income at all-time low interest rates during the parabolic final phase of a 30-year bond market rally. You are going limit-up long into one of the most obvious blow-off tops in the history of investing. And you're doing this with almost guaranteed inflation ahead of us and only the prospects of negative real rates of return on your T-bills. And you're doing this because you are mistakenly worried about a possible 20% drawdown in equities at some undetermined future point in time. Many of you are worried about this even despite the fact that you've got 15, 20, 25 years left til retirement and the actual use of your invested capital. Would you like to know the amount of 20-year rolling periods over the entirety of the 1926-2010 period during which US stocks declined in value? OK, sure - the answer is zero. There have not been any 20-year rolling periods - start counting during any month and year you'd like - in the last 85 years in which stocks have not gone higher. These are the facts, we use 1926 as our start point because prior to that the data is less reliable and comparable. It's not a thousand years worth of data but as Nick Murray says, the period encompasses every type of economic condition - from depression to recession to stagflation to expansion). This variation, economically speaking, validates the sample size. Far too many investors are waltzing around as though they're somehow "safe" because of these massive bond allocations they're nurturing. They are walking beneath a dangling piano hoisted 10 stories above their heads, its shadow barely noticed in the noon-day sun. Let me show you something - this comes from Fidelity and it is the statistical equivalent of buffalo herd charging across the prairie toward an unseen cliff: The below-average real returns for equities during the past 12 years, in combination with the near- uninterrupted 30-year rally for bonds, has led to a recent shift in investor preferences. Since December 2007, investors have poured more than $1.1 trillion into bond mutual funds and exchange-traded funds (ETFs)—more than 33 times the amount allocated to equity funds and ETFs (see Exhibit 1, below). Many institutions also have reduced long equity allocations. Josh here - To be clear, this will ultimately revert and it will be very unpleasant for the herd. I don't know when, but as a student of market psychology and history I know that it will. I also know that it will catch many by surprise, be denied for a long time and will ultimately teach some harsh lessons about inflation, its effect on bond prices and the longer-term triumph of equities as the protector of purchasing power. I don't hate bonds, they are an integral part of our low-vol portfolio models. But to be doing bonds instead of stocks looks suicidal to me in the context of a long-range retirement portfolio. Remember I said it. Now if only I could nail the timing, I'd be set for life. |
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Oct 30 2012, 01:17 AM
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16,872 posts Joined: Jun 2011 |
QUOTE(jutamind @ Oct 29 2012, 05:15 PM) What's your strategy for this fund in you are in the profit? Do you take profit on your gains or let it run? Still in the red, losing on sales charge. Keeping for >3 years investment horizon. I'm gonna top up whenever GEM equities go thru a selling downthe reason why i ask so is that normally i dont have any eastspring funds in my FSM portfolio. So to take profit, normally this would means selling the units. this would mean that if i were to buy this fund again, then i will incur another 2% sales charge, rather than switching to another eastspring funds, which i dont have any now. This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 30 2012, 01:19 AM |
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Oct 30 2012, 04:55 AM
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Oct 30 2012, 07:38 AM
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Oct 30 2012, 09:31 AM
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4,332 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Shadow Striker |
QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 29 2012, 08:37 PM) http://www.thereformedbroker.com/2012/10/2...-dumb-bastards/ very interesting. am a newbie so i dont digest quickly... does this apply to US only or... bond in general?33 Times, You Poor Dumb Bastards Joshua M Brown October 26th, 2012 I'm going to say this here and now for posterity and I hope you bookmark it: There's going to be such a brutal bond investor slaughter at some point over the next decade that the streets of Boston's mutual fund district will run red with blood, the skies will be shot through with the lightning and thunder of unexpected capital losses and those who manage to survive will envy the dead. Now a slaughter in bonds will not look like an equity market crash, the volatility characteristics are different and bonds eventually mature. But in some ways it will feel much worse than a stock crash because the money parked in bonds is thought of as low or no-risk. The fixed income guys know what's going to happen, too. Why do you think the Bond Kings at PIMCO and DoubleLine are pushing into equity funds? They're getting three-year track records under their belts for when the big switch comes. And it will come. You know how I know this? Because you lunatics are plowing money into fixed income at all-time low interest rates during the parabolic final phase of a 30-year bond market rally. You are going limit-up long into one of the most obvious blow-off tops in the history of investing. And you're doing this with almost guaranteed inflation ahead of us and only the prospects of negative real rates of return on your T-bills. And you're doing this because you are mistakenly worried about a possible 20% drawdown in equities at some undetermined future point in time. Many of you are worried about this even despite the fact that you've got 15, 20, 25 years left til retirement and the actual use of your invested capital. Would you like to know the amount of 20-year rolling periods over the entirety of the 1926-2010 period during which US stocks declined in value? OK, sure - the answer is zero. There have not been any 20-year rolling periods - start counting during any month and year you'd like - in the last 85 years in which stocks have not gone higher. These are the facts, we use 1926 as our start point because prior to that the data is less reliable and comparable. It's not a thousand years worth of data but as Nick Murray says, the period encompasses every type of economic condition - from depression to recession to stagflation to expansion). This variation, economically speaking, validates the sample size. Far too many investors are waltzing around as though they're somehow "safe" because of these massive bond allocations they're nurturing. They are walking beneath a dangling piano hoisted 10 stories above their heads, its shadow barely noticed in the noon-day sun. Let me show you something - this comes from Fidelity and it is the statistical equivalent of buffalo herd charging across the prairie toward an unseen cliff: The below-average real returns for equities during the past 12 years, in combination with the near- uninterrupted 30-year rally for bonds, has led to a recent shift in investor preferences. Since December 2007, investors have poured more than $1.1 trillion into bond mutual funds and exchange-traded funds (ETFs)—more than 33 times the amount allocated to equity funds and ETFs (see Exhibit 1, below). Many institutions also have reduced long equity allocations. Josh here - To be clear, this will ultimately revert and it will be very unpleasant for the herd. I don't know when, but as a student of market psychology and history I know that it will. I also know that it will catch many by surprise, be denied for a long time and will ultimately teach some harsh lessons about inflation, its effect on bond prices and the longer-term triumph of equities as the protector of purchasing power. I don't hate bonds, they are an integral part of our low-vol portfolio models. But to be doing bonds instead of stocks looks suicidal to me in the context of a long-range retirement portfolio. Remember I said it. Now if only I could nail the timing, I'd be set for life. |
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Oct 30 2012, 11:12 AM
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Oct 30 2012, 11:29 AM
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134 posts Joined: Sep 2012 From: Penang |
QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 30 2012, 11:12 AM) |
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Oct 30 2012, 11:47 AM
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8,259 posts Joined: Sep 2009 |
Just cannot top up or open new EPF fund account.
Existing already invested account still no problem.. Hope they will lift the suspension soon... |
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Oct 30 2012, 11:54 AM
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That mean election is around the corner =D
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Oct 30 2012, 12:46 PM
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Oct 30 2012, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE(aronteh @ Oct 30 2012, 12:46 PM) It depend on the location... build quality... design... facility... size... financing ability... is there any school, lrt, shop, bank and so forth... hence all that somehow determine the value of property...Same goes to investment... apply the same analytical thinking when intent to invest... and decide at tolerable risk. Haih... my opinion only yeah.. Yeah the value could be the same/equal now... unfortunately future could be different... plan first... where it start/end. This post has been edited by techie.opinion: Oct 30 2012, 09:43 PM |
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Oct 30 2012, 11:49 PM
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U guys are taking the analogy too far
I use another analogy 1 piece of 100 gram gold vs 10 pieces of 10 gram gold dun tell me smaller pieces value bla bla bla in unit trusts and even for shares, no. of units are TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the question of worth. |
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