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wongmunkeong
post Aug 9 2012, 02:53 PM

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heheh - see, already said dont go overboard with bonds (in terms of % in asset allocation) just coz of fear of MY election, EU kabloey, CH hard/soft/whatever landing.

hm.. this post will most probably come back to haunt me when equities kabloey tongue.gif
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post Aug 9 2012, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 9 2012, 02:53 PM)
heheh - see, already said dont go overboard with bonds (in terms of % in asset allocation) just coz of fear of MY election, EU kabloey, CH hard/soft/whatever landing.

hm.. this post will most probably come back to haunt me when equities kabloey tongue.gif
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Wong Seafood, very soon...very soon... brows.gif
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post Aug 9 2012, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 9 2012, 03:26 PM)
Wong Seafood, very soon...very soon... brows.gif
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I'll see your Bond funds and raise U the lot of REITs and REIT funds tongue.gif (looking at the way and amount of $ is being created electronically - these HAVE to end up somewhere right)
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post Aug 9 2012, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 9 2012, 03:36 PM)
I'll see your Bond funds and raise U the lot of REITs and REIT funds tongue.gif (looking at the way and amount of $ is being created electronically - these HAVE to end up somewhere right)
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Seafood memang seafood notworthy.gif

I found a few stocks with good divvy yield and low valuations...thinking to go in or not hmm.gif

and my Hwang Select Opportunity...still waiting for the opportunity to buy in doh.gif

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post Aug 9 2012, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 9 2012, 03:56 PM)
Seafood memang seafood notworthy.gif

I found a few stocks with good divvy yield and low valuations...thinking to go in or not hmm.gif

and my Hwang Select Opportunity...still waiting for the opportunity to buy in doh.gif
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seefood must EAT food lar. Like those char siu pohs from Ling Dan & Chong Wei - cannot respect oneself if don't eat tongue.gif

eh - just a word of caution (methinks - which may be obvious to U & i but maybe useful for newbies) ar.
If / when REITs' DY% becomes near FD-ish, better start running the other way from REITs / REIT funds as the market price is "not too smart" liao.

When the gap closes, most folks will go.. duh - why am i taking more risks than FD to get slightly more returns than FD? doh.gif

And thus, the cycle flows again to MM (remember one stretch of time, MM was getting more returns than Bond Funds?) and other vehicles.. ohm.. ohm.. laugh.gif
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post Aug 9 2012, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 9 2012, 03:56 PM)
Seafood memang seafood notworthy.gif

I found a few stocks with good divvy yield and low valuations...thinking to go in or not hmm.gif

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Usually when you find stocks with low valuation and high DY, you must check the reason for it to be such a bargain. Most of the time the bargain is temporary and will turn for worse later. The stock could have a declining profit, low growth, dilution, potential loss, small cap, ace market or just plain illiquid and no volume. tongue.gif

Stock picking is much much harder than fund picking and you really really need to do your home work. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Aug 9 2012, 04:31 PM)
Usually when you find stocks with low valuation and high DY, you must check the reason for it to be such a bargain. Most of the time the bargain is temporary and will turn for worse later. The stock could have a declining profit, low growth, dilution, potential loss, small cap, ace market or just plain illiquid and no volume.  tongue.gif

Stock picking is much much harder than fund picking and you really really need to do your home work.  laugh.gif
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Yea I know that...been burnt in stocks before (that was when I do trading on purely technicals gambling reading) sweat.gif

DY and PE is only the initial screening...will look deeper into their financials, announcements and industry news nod.gif
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post Aug 9 2012, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 9 2012, 05:09 PM)
Yea I know that...been burnt in stocks before (that was when I do trading on purely technicals gambling reading) sweat.gif

DY and PE is only the initial screening...will look deeper into their financials, announcements and industry news nod.gif
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So which stocks is on your radar? brows.gif

You and me is the opposite. You migrate from stocks to UT and I reverse, migrate from UT to stocks. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Aug 9 2012, 05:51 PM)
So which stocks is on your radar?  brows.gif

You and me is the opposite. You migrate from stocks to UT and I reverse, migrate from UT to stocks.  laugh.gif
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Some not so well-known counters, steady high dividends, attractive P/E ph34r.gif

Damn it has gone up 6.5% since last week when I discovered it vmad.gif

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post Aug 9 2012, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 9 2012, 04:10 PM)
seefood must EAT food lar. Like those char siu pohs from Ling Dan & Chong Wei - cannot respect oneself if don't eat tongue.gif

eh - just a word of caution (methinks - which may be obvious to U & i but maybe useful for newbies) ar.
If / when REITs' DY% becomes near FD-ish, better start running the other way from REITs / REIT funds as the market price is "not too smart" liao.

When the gap closes, most folks will  go.. duh - why am i taking more risks than FD to get slightly more returns than FD?  doh.gif

And thus, the cycle flows again to MM (remember one stretch of time, MM was getting more returns than Bond Funds?) and other vehicles.. ohm.. ohm..  laugh.gif
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Good thought. notworthy.gif Especially Malaysia REITs yield going lower from 6% to 5% before tax. Singapore REITs still going strong with 9% to 8% yield with no tax.
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post Aug 9 2012, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 9 2012, 05:09 PM)
Yea I know that...been burnt in stocks before (that was when I do trading on purely technicals gambling reading) sweat.gif

DY and PE is only the initial screening...will look deeper into their financials, announcements and industry news nod.gif
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Yeah that was true...


Added on August 10, 2012, 12:02 am
QUOTE(aronteh @ Aug 9 2012, 10:33 PM)
Good thought. notworthy.gif  Especially Malaysia REITs yield going lower from 6% to 5% before tax. Singapore REITs still going strong with 9% to 8% yield with no tax.
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Does it show the momentum in malaysia property is going down or maybe stubborn for now... Many reason i would say... It could be the current prop price is too high... Scared?

This post has been edited by techie.opinion: Aug 10 2012, 12:02 AM
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post Aug 10 2012, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Aug 9 2012, 11:59 PM)
Does it show the momentum in malaysia property is going down or maybe stubborn for now... Many reason i would say... It could be the current prop price is too high... Scared?
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er.. for the MY REITs' average DY% 5 to 6% (b4 tax) as posted by AronTeh, i don't think it is tied to any of the momentum and what not U are thinking about.
Just that market chased up the market price, thus at current market price for MY REITs, the expected DY% is lower/low.

Your thoughts posted, i think, are mainly affected by physical property buyers & builders, not directly related to REITs' market pricing.
Just thinking probabilities ar - not 100% gospel truths. notworthy.gif
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post Aug 11 2012, 04:34 PM

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post Aug 13 2012, 11:23 AM

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Bullish on fixed income products.

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM.../allys/Article/
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post Aug 13 2012, 09:19 PM

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This promotion is quite attractive especially for those that plans to top up/invest in equity. Wonder if I should make use of this promotion to invest or insist on waiting till after GE.
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post Aug 13 2012, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 13 2012, 09:19 PM)
This promotion is quite attractive especially for those that plans to top up/invest in equity. Wonder if I should make use of this promotion to invest or insist on waiting till after GE.
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Bro, diff between normal and discounted SC, just a minor crash will wipe it all out laugh.gif
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post Aug 13 2012, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 13 2012, 09:19 PM)
This promotion is quite attractive especially for those that plans to top up/invest in equity. Wonder if I should make use of this promotion to invest or insist on waiting till after GE.
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Can't wait for GE done... Interesting to see how is the damage done from the results. Then we can talk based on experiences and maturity. Just a thought only.


Added on August 13, 2012, 10:29 pm
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 13 2012, 09:39 PM)
Bro, diff between normal and discounted SC, just a minor crash will wipe it all out laugh.gif
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Keep the bullets for the bargain war...

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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Aug 13 2012, 10:28 PM)
Can't wait for GE done... Interesting to see how is the damage done from the results. Then we can talk based on experiences and maturity. Just a thought only.


Added on August 13, 2012, 10:29 pm
Keep the bullets for the bargain war...
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I'm keeping ammo for dividend stocks shopping brows.gif
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post Aug 13 2012, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Aug 13 2012, 10:28 PM)
Can't wait for GE done... Interesting to see how is the damage done from the results. Then we can talk based on experiences and maturity. Just a thought only.


Added on August 13, 2012, 10:29 pm
Keep the bullets for the bargain war...
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Hehe - don't overload on bullets though.
What's the % of KLCI collapsing and collapse to how much?

From some crystal ball gazing by my brokers and their network of analysts:
Current Gov win: KLCI 1700-1744
Current Gov toppled or lose: 1300-1400 (which is no biggie, like a 2011 Sep 26th EU hiccup at low of 1310... woo scary.. laugh.gif )

If the above holds water and i assume "toppled/lose" is 49% or less of votes, i think it's a near impossibility.
Don't get 2/3 or 66.66% majority is probable.
49% or less of votes is... improbable IMHO as the majority of Malaysia ain't as "information connected" as Klang Valley, Penang & Perak.
Most average folks will think what they've been fed via TVs and prints. Heck, they've even made several songs & dances these days <i feel so.. like in China propaganda machination>

Just my POV ar - heheh.
Anyhow, i think i just want "2 packs of wolves to balance each other" and leave the poor sheeples like me alone to focus on life and the "pursuit of happyness" tongue.gif
Mind U, i'm no crystal ball gazer, just sharing what i've read. I'm more of a navel gazer and nose digger notworthy.gif

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post Aug 13 2012, 10:53 PM

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Wong Seafood, GE-induced KLCI crash is a wet dream come true (hopefully) for many of us...janganlah ambil baldi air sejuk simbah on our head so soon la sad.gif

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