Is it good/ worth the effort to become an Ir / professional engineer(manufacturing field) in Malaysia? What position can they hold inside a manufacturing plant?(Manager etc) Any opinion/advice regarding this (Ir) are welcome.

usually those who wants the status are in design or consultantcy... however i would suggest any engineer to go for it... no harm.. at least to show you are qualified enough in your field...

ermmm ... any position also can.. depending how much experience he have lor...

Depends on what field you are in... If you are in a field that involves approving blueprints/plans like civil/electrical engineering, then Ir is mandatory for you. And if you are planning to venture into consultancy firms, you also need an Ir..

But for normal manufacturing plants, you don't need an Ir for a manager's position, but an MBA helps a lot. You basic salary might be a bit higher but you'll still start from the bottom as a first level engineer..

The suffix IR derives from the word Ingenieur (Dutch: Master of Science)

IR only has value in Malaysia. If you are out of the country, the value is near to zero.

an IR or even PE is surely a good thing to have especially if you intend to pursue a career in design or consultancy like others have mentioned. however, it is not the be all. bear in mind though that being a PE or IR lends more credence to your abilities as an engineer since it is based on a peer review system.

whichever your decision is on this matter, make sure you at the least register with BEM and pursue your GE certification from IEM.

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Added on April 10, 2008, 11:31 pmwhat??? you have to be kidding... just for info, a registration with a professional body and as an extension of that certification as an IR is pretty much a requirement for some of the highest paying jobs in almost all parts of the world except perhaps Asia just as PMP certification is.

try to get a job with Shell, Technip, Foster Wheeler or any other major engineering company, the requirement of at least a PE is there.


This post has been edited by cyrixMII300: Apr 10 2008, 11:31 PM

if I'm not mistaken, the suffix IR has since been changed to ENGR.
Like what they mentioned managerial position may not benefit much from this title, but in a consultancy, one that holds the title is much sought after for print approvals.(thus holding a great amount of responsibility for the overall outcome of the project as well; think - MRR2 project blunder?!)

as far as i know, IR still remains the same to mean Ingenieur even with the 5 international member bodies. i dont think there has been any change to that.

and yes, it does carry a very big responsibility. you have to be absolutely sure of what you are doing before you put ur name somewhere and thats why its a criteria for design approvals.

Nope, my friend joined Shell as an freshgrad without PE status.

IR from BEM/IEM (i pun confused which is which) is only recognized in Malaysia. Do you think Japan's Engineering Body will look at our IR and think that it's on par with theirs?

i'd like to clarify what i had said earlier. you need a PE or an IR to approve designs. Fresh grads DO NOT approve dwgs. and in anycase, no engineer is allowed to practice engineering without first having registered with BEM. and no one can build anything without the approval of an IR or a body of PE.

as a side note by the way, ask 100 engineers working in any industry in malaysia if they are engineers they will say yes but ask BEM how many of them are, they would probably tell you 30 to 40 because thats how many bother to actually register.

yes japan will accept the IR certification from Malaysia and so would Europe and the rest of the world as a recognition but all of them require any foreign engineers working in their particular country to sit for and pass an exam which is designed to gauge their knowledge of local regulations only and not their abilities as an engineer.

Malaysian IEM is a charter organization of the international council and therefore Msian engineers need to do this. when and once Malaysia is accepted as full member then even this would not be required.

As i know, Malaysia called it IR, USA called it PE, and so on with other countries will have their own title of professional engineer. Which mean if you are IR at Malaysia, and you go to USA, you cannot call yourself professional engineer unless you receive title from them. So basically IR only worth value in Malaysia. But again, you should compare the IR title with other professional certificate, i think those certificates are much more useful and help a lot in career.

try and read the following

http://www.engc.org.uk/news/default.aspx

http://www.engc.org.uk/international/about...E_register.aspx

http://www.engc.org.uk/international/inter...nal_bodies.aspx

http://www.ieagreements.com/APEC/

really i suggest one to read this before commenting further. IR is used internationally and as I have mentioned earlier you need to sit for qualification exams for certains charters.

we in europe at least need to be accredited as Eur IR before being able to work cross border across EU to approve designs. and having been in South America, I also know for a fact that IR is also the accreditation norm there although the enforcement is somewhat weak.

you are correct though about US and their accreditation system but then again americans dont adhere much to any of the engineering norms of the international bodies.

This post has been edited by cyrixMII300: Apr 11 2008, 12:20 AM

Will the IR status expired after a certain period? Meaning have to retake the examination again to obtain the status. Also, is it wise to go for chartered eng instead of IR (meaning is it really worth the effort? I know chartered eng exam is alot more toughter but higher status)

no lar... PE means professional engineer... u put the Ir. in front of ur name fot title sake... zzzzzzzzz... you can put the Ir. in front of ur name when u r a PE...

US dont recognize any1's PE status... in the states, every single state have their own institution.. so it is diff there, eg if u have ur PE status from alaska you still can practice there.... visit ncees' website for more info

wherelse IMechE/IEEE UK & IAust recgonizes it but u need some interview to pratice...

nope... but you have to get enough CPD points/year to maintain it...

no... CEng in msian terms and also UK are for those that have difficulties getting an academic degree... therefore they sit exams set by the board to be certified... and no.. it is not higher status... if you look at those that got their CEng you will know...

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Added on April 12, 2008, 1:21 amI lazy to read those terms. Just put it the easy way for everyone to know.

To sum things for conclusion. If you are an IR in Malaysia, do you still IR or professional status in US or other countries without sitting any paper, interview or whatsoever program that country need? If no, then the IR in Malaysia can ONLY BE USE in Malaysia as easy as that! Dont tell need to wait for this and that, take this paper and that, no means no.

This post has been edited by iDk: Apr 12 2008, 01:31 AM

depends on how u say 'use it'... if it is for approving designs then no country will recognize another countries' PE then because standard n laws are different from country to country... if u mean 'use it' for being a consultant and giving ideas... then you maybe 'use it' ... most of the time we talk a bout approving designs and consultation... approving stuff depends on government policies... wherelse recognition for consultation knowledge depends on the professional institution..

For your sake, what do they call professional engineer in U.S?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_engineer

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Added on April 12, 2008, 1:30 amwho would want to hire you as their consultant at the first place when the country dont ever recognize your status? So you are still trying to tell me the chicken same as duck?

This post has been edited by iDk: Apr 12 2008, 01:35 AM

did u check the source... dont use wikipedia to source things not good.. use the source wikipedia uses... ncees website

if u talk title. they put P.E. there in their academic qualifications together with BSc/BEng...

in america there are diff steps to be a PE... 1st step is to be a FE.... dont tell me u go put FE in front of ur name meh... in the US it is more complicated as it differs from state to state... check out ncees' website for more info...

most US PEs dont usually put P.E. with their names... even if they do... they put it at the back of their names.. but that will be confused with their middle name... so they just ignore it..

eg
Cindi Christenson, P.E

http://www.ncees.org/licensure/licensing_b.../california.php


for msia...

Ir. Chow Kuai Toew
BEng (hons), Phd Eng., PEng.

not

PEng/PE. Chow Kuai Toew
BEng, Ir.

but some msian PE uses Engr. to know the diff check out IEM's website

I guess in the PE status is not important in manufacturing line and RND line. I don;t see any of my peers, manager or directors has it. They are mostly PHD or Master.

important or not doesnt matter... no harm getting it right? phds or masters are academic degrees...

getting extra recognition can only show how good you are ^^

u must be working in msia ^^

usually the status as analyst, consultant, team-leader projects, manager, etc...an Ir / professional engineer can choose a lot of positions in company, depends on qualifications, skills, and how much experiences he have.

btw, good luck for u!

for engineering especially in microelectronics industry, getting IEEE recognized is more important.. write more paper and publish in IEEE man! most of the US engineering firm has their own technical recognition mechanism... staff engineer -> principle engineer -> fellow.... that is more important then other stuff...

Ir. can kick ur salary from rm4500 to 6500 straighaway..

but that is in construction consultancy.. no idea about manufacturing line..

personally i think, for manufacturing Ir. is not a requirement.. as u dont involve in any endorsement (correct me)..

better for u to chase for business master first as it reflect ur management style more..

but if u still insist, like selrahc said, theres no harm chasing for Ir. ...

getting an extra recognition is never a problem

if u r in msia i would recommend not to join IMechE/IEEE because you will be paying full membership fees and there wont be much activities for you... just join IEM because most of the activities are still runned together with IEM

nope, i'm not in msia but in the states.. for microelectronics, IEM is not much useful compare to IEEE... and IR is useless for microelectronics engineer too.. IEEE more important for us

idK<<< its obvious this person does not know heads or tails about what he is talking about. what can one expect of a simpleton?

they google it or wiki it and they think they know everything there is to know.

hey buddy, if you really want to understand better that which you dont understand, perhaps i can arrange for a meeting with a couple of friends of mine who are either PE or IRs or maybe i can come over during my holidays and explain it better to you as an EUR IR. what you say huh?

This post has been edited by cyrixMII300: Apr 16 2008, 04:43 PM

msia
fresh grad or u work as an engineer then wanan apply 1st go bem then iem then 3 year following a mentor who is a PE or IE or ENGR o watever u wanna call himthen u can go for an interview then if u pass u get ur PE IR ENGR or watever u call it in msia. but i ehard msia u need to take a test also not sure but can always find out

sg
fresh grad/any eng who wanna apply PE exam basically its wat u have learnt in uni then 3 year xp then an interview b4 u r crowned wif a PE chop

Oh, ok... So do you have an IR in Malaysia?

This post has been edited by iDk: Apr 16 2008, 10:19 PM

jus to add u get ir/pe/engr in msia u cant use in sg or any parts of the world req laws codes in diff countries differ each other

ok, atleast someone is talking with sense now.

This post has been edited by iDk: Apr 16 2008, 10:53 PM

i see... yea.. usually PE status are for more of the tradional based stuff rather than the more technological stuff... maybe IEEE is not a bad thing after all

yes. would you like to meet and verify? let me know when mate. we can meet up over at IEM building

hahaha.. don't fight over small thing..

do u know.. word engineer itself is miss used.. if i have time i will try to source back the info i got.. but literally it about this.

engineer, lawyer, account,doctor (medical) and few others are lavel as professional jobs which is not anyone can claim to be one.

however.. currently.. if u look at malaysia.. designation of engineer are widely abuse.even up to sales engineer.. why not call them technical sales executive.. ? that why we mix up with the term engineer.. and why fres grad can easilliy work as engineer..

few company in malaysia are no longer call their bach degree in engineering staf as engineer and merely just call then technical executive or mechanical/electrical executive..
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back to TS question...

it depend.. people ask me what the differences in between becoming / obtain PHD in engineering and becoming PE in engineering?

for me.. it just purely for satifaction.. u learn 4-5 years in engineering program.. and finaly.. a govern body recognize u a Engineer.. is like having a degree in law but unable to attend court ... u know theory.. u can calculate.. u know everything.. but u can tell the world and approved it..

my boss (GM) ain't PE.. but his sub coordinate (manager) is PE.. both in electrical.. PE do not guarentte anything.. experience and ki$$@$$ do..
sorry..

being a pe doesn't mean tat u r better then anyone.jus proves that the gov recognizes your xp.there r many other eng out there tat hav the xp but jus don't apply for it.being a pe u'll need to bear the responsibility on your chop.which if u misuse might lead u to jail

Seems like getting PE is not as good as one might think huh...

This post has been edited by Archiou: Apr 22 2008, 06:24 PM

depend on certain people..

i do have this sort of thinking previously.. either to proceeds with PE or to continue into professional cert? (BTW i lost both =)) )

if u are manufacturing engineer.. working with production line.. do u thing having PE suite u? or do u really thing u can obtain PE by just write into ur log book?

obtaining PE itself is not an easy task..

So from your response, you are acknowledging you do have the IR status in Malaysia provided with the given IR number and IR stamp. So tell me:

1] Why are we meeting at IEM building?
2] Do you know what is the difference between BEM and IEM?


Seriously answer to these questions before you start giving non-sense information or want to date me to s*ck on my big fat juicy c*ck.

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Added on April 22, 2008, 10:32 pmFor those who are very keen to know about the Route of Professional Engineer or Practicing Engineering in Malaysia. Kindly refer to below link, but it is forbidden for those who pretend like he know a lot and trying so hard to prove it.

Professional Engineering path in Malaysia

Hope it does help you to clear things out.

This post has been edited by iDk: Apr 22 2008, 10:39 PM

Just the name. Not necessary will get high pay!

in the construction industry yes u'll get higher pay.in r n d or fac industry hav o not also no diff.jus tat if u r a pe u need to know wat u r talkin about and dun go charging in blindly ppl will laugh their ass off if u r a pe n talk crap.

Even then go elec a chargeman hv cert in msia can get earn alot tat doesn't need u to hav a degree or for mech a boiler cert.which will get u more job and xp compared to a pe

"With great power comes great responsibility."
-- Dialogue from "Spider-Man"

In tis PE thread, the above statement is true!
Plus 1 more: Not necessary will get high pay!

So wat's the point to get PE at the 1st place?
Personal satisfaction? higher social status? wat else?

in msia... it is sad

to extend ur name longer by 3 characters XD

Dear all,
Through referral link arrived here... Such a fantastic discussion over here.

Hoping that the following posting is sufficiently clear your doubt.
Practicing Engineering & Route To Professional Engineer in MALAYSIA

I am registered PE (under BEM) in MALAYSIA as well as Corporate Member of IEM.
Those, i have Ir. in front of my name and Engr below my name.

I just copy some responses to queries raised by Young Engineer

What're the PROs & CONs as PE ?
If you are good and fit engineer, you shall progress yourself to PE status. NO QUESTION on PROs and CONs. You should not give yourself a choice because you called yourself ENGINEER.

Read more about "ENGINEER" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer

I guess the PROs would be...
i) Continuing development...this is part of life regardless of engineer or other profession
ii) Practising engineer oversea...It may be a "passport" to obtain PE status in other country...
iii) Job requirement...e.g. LEAD PROCESS ENGINEER in an OIL & GAS project required Professional engineer. Now PREFERABLE still keeps in the spec...I believe it will be removed soon. (and become MANDATORY)
iv) Promotion...(iii) set one of the requirement for promotion to Senior, lead, principal, management level...in establish company like SHELL, TECHNIP, etc.
Others would be gain extra respect, self satisfaction, role model, etc...which is more individual related...

You may think this is "CON" (infact it should be PRO...)
If you have acquired your PE status, your SHALL fulfill the Continuing Professional Development (CPD) e.g. maintain accumulating 50 CPD hours per year on average over 3 years...
CPDDetails...read here - http://www.bem.org.my/cpd/19sept2005/cpdcircular1-2005.doc

Why should i register to BEM if i practising engineering in MALAYSIA ?
First and the essential step is if your are practising engineering in any aspect, it is mandatory to register yourself as Graduates engineer to BEM. This is govern by ACT !
I know many practising engineers ignore this...PLEASE register yourself to BEM as Graduate engineer. Otherwise you are ILLEGAL workforce !!!

BEM ? IEM ??
BEM is government body
- authority to ensure all practising engineer in compliance to MALAYSIA's LAW in engineering related. Once you are certified by BEM, you are Professional Engineer (PE) and you can apply Ir. in front of you name i.e. PhD holder with title of Dr.

IEM is professional body
- a body promote professionalism and encourage continuous learning. Provide professional opinion to BEM whenever required. NO authority at all in legal terms. Once you are approved by IEM as member, you are Corporate member of IEM and you can apply ENGR at the end or below you name.


Authority organization (BE, UK ?) in UK...(those who know, please furnish here)
- Similar to BEM...law related stuff. Once you are certified, you are PE.

IChemE - Professional body similar to formal IJKM (Institute Jurutera Kimia Malaysia) or MIEM (not 100%)
- works on promoting professionalism. Once you are approved, you are Chartered Engineer, CE if not mistaken

Again, THERE's NO ACKNOWLEDGMENT and AGREEMENT between them.

P.S. : Recently IChemE is has raised some discussion with IEM on this issue...however there's not conclusion.


$$$ ???
An engineer...RM4000-6000 ? A good and fit engineer can get 5 figure (per month) income...
Being a PE would be a "guideline" to other who don't know you. BUT, this does not mean a PE is always a good engineer.


Hope above helps.

JoeWong
Chemical & Process Technology

Joe, that helps. Thanks, and that's probably why there's no more discussion.

any1 in besides me?

You want to become a PE or what?

i am in already lar... jsut want to know people that are in... so when got talks maybe can go together

Under which engineering branch? Civil?

Perhaps you could coach us who are interested to be one of them.

mechanical... i am not a PE yet.. lacking experience... i am in the GnS section only...

I wanted to join IEM but lazy to fill those forms.

Already worked for two years and still haven't get myself register with IEM.

If my company doesn't have any recognized PE (IR), what would be my route to gain a PE status myself?

Any Ir. in the field of civil engineering?
I am a fresh graduated engineer.
could u guys please tell me the clear procedures in order to get Ir.
I've go through BEM website but not really clear.
What kind of Exam we have to sit for? In design? By laws? softwares knowledge?

There are two ways to become a professional engineer in Malaysia:

a) Through BEM ===> By sitting for their PAE (Professional Assessment Examination)

- In order to be able to sit for their PAE you MUST have a minimum of 3 years of working experience.

- Your 3 years of working experience ONLY STARTS counting after you have registered with the BEM.

- Eg. In the year 2009 you have been effectively working for 10 years but you have registered with the BEM only in 2008. That means you only
have 1 year of working experience in their clock. Therefore, all fresh graduates please register with the BEM ASAP after your graduation. It is
supposed to be illegal for you to work in the capacity of an engineer without a registration with the BEM.

- The second requirement before you can sit for their PAE is to complete 60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP (Professional
Development Programme). PS: My abbreviation for PDP may be wrong.

- Once you have sat and passed the PAE you will gain your P.Eng and hence, entitled to use the title Ir.
Eg. Ir. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), P.Eng


b) Through IEM ===> By sitting for their PI (Professional Interview)

- Before even talking about the PI, a fresh graduate is encouraged to register with the IEM as a graduate engineer. Once you have registered with
the IEM as a graduate engineer, you are entitled to the title Engr. As simple as that.
Eg. Engr. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), GM.I.E.M

- Once you are a graduate member, you can then proceed on to become their corporate member which consists of the bulk of the IEM membership.
Note: It is not mandatory to become a graduate member first before becoming a corporate member.

- In order to become a corporate member, you have to first sit for the PI.
Note: The PAE by BEM is EXACTLY the same as the PI by IEM. In fact the PAE is run by the same people that organizes the PI.

- In order to be able to sit for the PI, applicants SHOULD have at least a minimum of 3 years of working experience. It will be virtually
impossible to pass the PI if you have less than 3 years of working experience since you will most probably have insufficient materials to be put in
your report.
Note: It is not necessary to become a graduate member first before you can sit for the PI and there is no IEM clock that counts your working
experience. If you have been working for 10 years, you will then have 10 years of working experience as far as IEM is concerned.

- Once you have sat and passed the PI, you are entitled to use the title Engr. (Same title as the graduate engineer)
Eg. Engr. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), M.I.E.M

- Once you have your Engr. (M.I.E.M) you can then proceed to top up with the Ir (P.Eng) from BEM. There are two scenarios:

===> If you have not registered with the BEM, go register with them and wait three years before getting your P.Eng. You must also complete the
60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP.

===> If you have registered with the BEM and have three years of woking experience according to their clock, you can get your P.Eng.
immediately. You must also complete the 60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP.

Once scenario 1 and 2 are covered, you will have the privillege to use the titles:
Eg. Ir. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), P.Eng, M.I.E.M ===> Normally people will use Ir. only if they have both the
Ir. and Engr.

Notes:
1) If you have to approve or/and submit layouts/designs to the approving authortity, P.Eng is mandatory. But if you are working in the manufacturing sector for instance, you can opt just for the M.I.E.M. Getting either/both the P.Eng or the M.I.E.M is a great personal satisfaction if you ask me and they look absolutely fabulous on your resume .

2) Once you get your P.Eng from BEM, you will have to renew your "license" every year in order to be able to continue to use the title Ir. Before you can renew your license, you must complete 40 hours (I may be wrong) of CPD (Continuous Professional Development).

3) Feel free to add/correct my points as necessary.

This post has been edited by sungami: Jun 21 2009, 01:23 AM

U register with BEM and not IEM.. a lot of ppl tend to confuse on this two body.

I'm already registered as graduate member with BEM. Should I register with IEM too?

So I should work my way towards Ir with BEM or Engr with IEM? Or both??

If both Ir and Engr have the same function, why bother paying membership fees to two bodies? I'm kinda confused here @_@

ya, i oso wanna ask the same questions....
what is the difference between these 2 bodies?
how to apply as a graduate engineer in BEM?
i thought that the university that we had studied would straight apply for us as the graduate engineers, once we have finished the engineering courses?

This post has been edited by stranger2nd: Aug 5 2010, 08:35 AM

I graduated from University of Nottingham Malaysia Campus as BEng (Hons) Mechanical Engineering. BEM does not accredited this programme, they only accredited MEng (Hons) Mechanical Engineering which is one year longer.

So, in order for me to gain accreditation from BEM, I will need some further study, I already enrolling in PhD study in the same university while working as engineer full time.

Question is : After I graduate, am I eligible to gain accreditation from BEM ?

Note : I already try to ask them regarding this, no reply so far.

The best way is for you to call them straight to registration department. Not only they going to brief you she@he will give a a straight forward answer as a guideline. Called them to expedite my registration and now i'm registered on both. But yet still blur on the subject for PE plus i have disadvantages since working in less technical area tho still related.

I graduated from Uni of Leeds.. 2+1 programme... called them to join, but was turn down.. reason? Leeds was accredated, but my duration was not. Plus now I`m with my family business, so PE is just an intangible dream for me.

the main criteria is not your qualifications... but constant learning, join courses, conference, training, technical briefing by manufacturers that was recegnized by BEM... and not forgeting.. you need to work under a PE as your mentor

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Added on October 5, 2010, 5:14 pmmore holistic exam of engineering..........

me lecturer said 4-10 people passed out of 100 people who sit for the exam


This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Oct 5 2010, 05:14 PM

I got one simple question and wanted to confirm this.

Below is my situation :

BEM : Reg and approved on JULY 2009
IEM : Reg and approved on JULY 2010

So there 3 years of 50CPD per year av, is accounted from JULY 2010 or JULY 2008?

For you to take the Professional Assessment Examination (PAE), you have to be registered with BEM for 3 years. IEM is just a society of engineers. BEM is the regulatory board.

There are 2 ways to obtain your PE (Ir.).

1) Mentoring system, this way you have to become a graduate member with IEM and request them to assign you a mentor. For the next 3 years, quarterly, you will have to meet up with your Mentor and discuss what you've learnt over the past 3 months. And also fill up your log book. Very very tedious system but sure way for you to learn throughout your 3 years.

2) Submitting a design report - After 3 years of experience (usually 5 years would be a good time to apply), you will have to fill in the necessary forms and write 2 reports. 1 report would be the Experience report of what you've done throughout your working life, sort of like a resume. The other report is the design report which during your working career, you choose a project that you were involved in and write about that. So it can be anything from designing a pump system for mechanical engineers, designing a water treatment plant for chemical engineers, etc. Then you submit both your reports to your Interviewer and then you will go for the interview where you will be questioned on the design report just to make sure that you didn't copy it. Depending on the interviewer, you might just fail there and then if you don't know basic stuff. After the interviewer is satisfied, you will be required to write 2 essays. 1 with regards to your design report and 1 from the Code of Ethics.

Let me know if you need help. I hope I didn't confuse anyone further.

For me, I never was an IEM member until i sat for my PAE. So I actually applied to become a Corporate Member instead of the normal process of converting your Graduate membership to a corporate membership. I didn't see the need to waste my money for 3 years when my company would pay for me if i wanted to go for trainings hosted by IEM.

My position right now is QA Engineer. I'm not sure it is related if i can pursue to go for PI since the engineering path is very minimum compare with quality side.

My fren who already in IEM told me that i can't go to profesional engineer since i was in quality department however for info my background was Mechanical Engineering.

So there is no way for a BEng 3 yr duration course to register with BEM or IEM??? If I were to do an MSc will I be able to be a member?

Thanks a lot for the infomation.

Got few question here, hope can get some helps :

1.

I've graduated and now working with an M&E firm. However, my convo will only be held on March next year, which means i only can get my cert on next year March. So, is it possible for me to register myself with BEM without the cert ?

As i heard the process will already take 3-4 months, if i waited for my cert, earliest i can get registered with BEM will be around Jun - July ,more than half years exp gone

2.

I'm now working in Singapore, will my exp be recognized by BEM / IEM ? or is it possible for me to register with the Singapore bodies ? and get the Ir. in Singapore ? any suggestion ? pls help ~

p/s: my bachelor is under a Malaysia Uni , the course is recognized by BEM.

Anyone can help , appreciate a lot ~ THANK YOU ~

regards,
kl

Right now only IEM conducting PE interview. BEM is no longer doing this. Pls correct me if I were wrong on this. This is implemented since few years ago.

Answer to Q1:
You can go ahead to register without your cert. Once immediately after received your cert, you can supplement back. Write a simple formal letter to indicate this intention during submission of your BEM application form + fee, etc.
I did this in year 2004 or 2005, can't recall. Shall be same right now.

Answer to Q2:
Pls register with BEM & IEM first before you go register with IES. [Anyone, pls correct me if I were wrong again]
Refer to here Engineering Stature

Washington Accord

This post has been edited by ch_teo: Nov 23 2010, 09:00 PM

Thank you for your help.

Problem 1 solved, i will go register with BEM as soon as i back in KL. anyone know if BEM will open on Sat , if not i will need to take leave to go back on weekdays

Regarding problem 2, i heard of this "Washington Accord" before, but do not know much about it .... So, after getting the graduate engineer from BEM, i can register with Singapore bodies under this agreement ?

do you mind explaining more ? thx a lot ~

for SG to be a PE isnt so simple. 1st your uni need to b recognized by the PE board whole of msia only UM is recognized even then they only recognize the Electrical and Pure Mech only. manufacturing mech is not recognized

then u need to sit for 1st paper which is mostly your uni day's exam ques if u r elec the paper will hav fault cal, transmission systems, etc.
mech ones u hav heat transfer, thermodynamics etc.

after passing the 1st paper u need to sit for the 2nd paper which consist of mostly design and codes since u're working in sg i'm sure u know sg has damn many codes.


after 2nd paper 3y xp with local completed projects and a report need to be done b4 u can submit and attend the PE board interview. they'll interview u on your report n work xp.

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Added on November 24, 2010, 9:33 amiirc BEM dun open on sat. but u can always call up n ask. and iirc u can mail them your application however, make sure its complete.

anyway meaningless since u work overseas u cant attend the courses they offer to collect the points.

This post has been edited by nicvoo: Nov 24 2010, 09:33 AM

I think so, you must registered with BEM first. Then only proceed to IES from what I understood from here or maybe provisional:

http://www.ies.org.sg/pageview.php?page_id=110

The best to clarify this is contact them too to check the above mentioned since you are now in Sg.:
http://www.ies.org.sg/contactus.php

Pls. keep us update if IES accepting your membership after your registration to BEM approved.

Agreed with nicvoo, you can post them. Sat I do not think they open.

This post has been edited by ch_teo: Nov 24 2010, 01:04 PM

I am not an engineer but I found this thread is very interesting. Can anyone tell me how to qualify as a Chartered Engineer (UK)? Any idea about the Institute of Engineers and Technologies (IET, UK) and Engineering Council, UK. Can anyone who only has an Advance Diploma from a local private technical college call themselves an engineer and be admitted as member of the IEM/BEM?

only UM being recognized ? damn....

i'm sure u know sg has damn many codes. yeah , damn lot code . cop n then the ss

anyway meaningless since u work overseas u cant attend the courses they offer to collect the points. the only solution i can think of is , live in Johor . But the problem is , dun know will there be any courses offered in Johor , or will clash with my working hour . Just hope the course will be on weekend....

yeah, is the "Washington Accord" i'm counting on right now . dun worry , will keep u guys updated ~ gone do my BEM registration 1st ....

heard that can take external paper from BEM, success then can register with them , but not much details, as this info i got long time ago from my lecturer.

yup CP 1-100 also go SS dunno wat to wat fire code summore got 6volumes iirc.

great cont dreaming it'll b on weekends didnt u know msia is 5 working days only? lol even in sg the courses/seminars for PEs r on weekdays

btw u get IR in msia can only practice in msia u get PE in sg only can practice in sg

not sure about chartered. chartered eng only recognised in hk,aussie uk i hear

anywya y wanna get an IR or PE? nowadays its damn worthless not to mention the amount of responsibility especially in SG

hahaha, then may i know, if those courses/seminars will be held on night ? if not , even if i stay in johor, it is impossible for me to join

i will only work in singapore for few years, after that sure going back to My, as my family and frens stil there.

so getting a Ir in malaysia still relevant for me. especially no more x2.4 salary, to get a high salary in My , the only thing i can count on is the Ir tittle

while getting Ir in sg, it seems like a "mission impossible" for me, after wat u said....

u sure wif a PE u can get high pay?
simply jus sign any bloody drawings tat comes in your way?
well no wonder the industry in getting from bad to worst with the mindset of yours

wanna get high pay u join wrong industry already

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Added on November 25, 2010, 9:42 amnot really mission impossible to get PE in sg u can take a masters course in nus or ntu then u can qualify to sit for the exams

This post has been edited by nicvoo: Nov 25 2010, 09:42 AM

I am in civil path and has not registered with BEM due to my cert not being recognized by BEM. Other options is to pursue Master or sit for their BEM/IEM Part II and Part III exam, at which I believe very tough.

Plus, many has said that if one is pursuing a highly paid job, civil is the wrong industry. One who stays are one with passion. I believe I am in the wrong industry.

Getting that professional title really doubles up the pay, mostly, but to get one, have to go long way.

i knw wat u tries to say. just that become a PE will have more advantages , not to mention about the sign drawng things, but at least more option , like become a RE, working with contractor as consultant , or even open own M&E firm. right ?

This post has been edited by kl87: Nov 25 2010, 11:13 AM

nah..dun blame u
u haven been in the industry long enuf

RE dun need a PE unless u r civil
+ not many projects hav M&E RE
work wif contractor as consultant no pe also can enuf xp can already y the contractor wan a PE on their side? wan u sign drawing only ma wan u to design meh their design many times more practicel n better then yours.
open own firm?jus c the amount of competition 1stly, 2ndly your network
in msia u dunno a few dato YB tan sri jus bcos u r PE u think can get job? lol
if u hav connections u dun need a PE already u can hire a PE to get him to sign u only go find jobs.
in SG how can u compete with the big companies? BECA, PB, TYLIN, Meinahrdt, Aecom unless u say u can offer wat they r doin at half their price else jus do small small jobs
in msia dun say every bugger is a PE every bugger is opening their own firm producing crappy drawings

to me if u wanna b a PE for the pay is a very stupid reason

IEM Southern Branch, you may try to put your address at JB, then any updates/seminars, they will notify you.
http://www.iemsb.org.my/

nicvoo has mentioned lot of things happening at site from RE's point.
Lot of RE handles C&S + M&E, depends on project scale.
Sometimes, C&S RE with Ir. at site will hand-sketch modify the drawings from HQ consultant & implement at site. He will sign the modify drawings & feedback to HQ (the designer) due to impracticable design.

That is one of the many reasons I left consultant after 3 years plus in M&E (2.5 years design experience at M side from high rise building to infra [prepare tender doc, plumbing, sanitary, lift + escalator, natural gas, ACMV, fire protection, T&C, SAT], 7 months plus full time based at site as inspector) & join oil & gas.

Just for your info, my knowledge is slightly better than a Ir. when i joined a consultant company last time. Even 1 of my seniors without Ir. far far better than a Ir. Not boosting, it is a realization when discussing design & actual practicability come to site implementation & construction stages, tender document...there are lot of things happening at site, it is not like design in office.
The value of Ir. for me is??? Unless you join back consultant firm.
Singapore with Er. is very lucrative if as part time & as 3rd party inspector/certificator but the "heavy responsibilities" are there in case unlucky events happened, touch wood...

This post has been edited by ch_teo: Nov 25 2010, 01:22 PM

yes, u r right , i have too little exp in this field, maybe work for few years then i can know the reality ....haiz seems like i really have to rethink my path of career.

p/s: just few weeks in work , dun be too harsh on me la

advice and helps noticed. thx a lot ~

U are right dude...no future of being 'high pay' become civil engineer in malaysia..become kuli...the only path is to become contractor & sogok here & there & become rich..

That's the 'side income' or 'undertable envelope' but let's not get too detail about it, shall we ? Although we all know that is the reality.

Ir title is required, especially in civil. You get the respect, and the pay. To earn one is not as easy as it sounds like. Most people I know with Ir are from civil. Once I met an Ir but he's from electrical, I thought "What, electrical can get Ir too ?" and that is the first time I know Ir for engineers for all fields, not particularly on civil, but for civil, it is something like a must get title.

yes many experienced ppl b better then IRs or ERs y they dont take the IR title? simple they dont wan to wake up 1 morning n get sued.

well tats y i say i dont blame u i've seen many who r like u amongst my colleagues and friend they think getting an IR title means they will b highly paid n can goyang kaki. the truth is totally opposite. worst still in sg where if u get an IR n dont wanna sign cos dont wanna take the responsibility the authorities will revoke your title. especially for FIRE designs

yes tats the truth but you always have the choice to take or not to

only in the construction industry Irs are required. Mech Elec n Civil
the a Qualified person is required to endorse the design. u dont wan a switch board to blow up in your face do u?or getting a black out everytime thers a storm or during fire the spinkler system n exhaust dont work or a building to crack n collapse when u r in it right?

tell you the truth , after think deep , i oso scare to take the responsibility of being a PE .... looks like registering with BEM become worthless .... plus nid to go to the seminar n courses + yearly renewal fees.

If you want to take the PAE, you can. You just have to write a report that shows what you've learnt and pick a topic to write your project/design report. For you, in quality area, maybe you can chose a topic of what you did to enhance the quality of your product while reducing the costs to make it and not cut corners....

@nicvoo,

I am so agree with what you said....
PE is juz a machine to chop and sign drawings and of course bear the responsibilities...
End up you just get paid mayb few hundred more.....
In sgp, they will ask you to put ur signature in digital form...so that they can mass produce ur signature into drawings...
Btw, are you still in the line or jump out from this field?
If you jump out from this field then I must say congratulation to you....

Hi, I would suggest you on this. Before you decide, try to look around whether there is any IR/PR who can guide you in the manufacturing field. He can be your advisor and sign on any documentation when needed. Because you need to have working experience of 3-5 years in order to undertake the PE interview. Why not go for design/construction/consultant field, this should be more valuable.
Btw, you are Electrical/Electronic Engineering?

Hi All

I had been working most of my career life in the UK, and only recently been relocated back to Malaysia. Given the requirement of practising engineering in the country, I'm intending to apply to the BEM and IEM, ideally for PE and MIEM respectively. However, I have not registered as Graduate Engineer in both IEM and BEM.

My questions,

- I have approx 7 years postgraduate working experience in the UK, is it a MUST to have registered as Graduate Engineer with BEM and IEM for several years first, then only apply for PE (BEM) and MIEM (IEM)?

- If "YES" for the above, I wonder any PE/Ir who can act as my proposer/seconder then? and to certify copies of document



Many thanks in advance for the advice and opinion


regards

1st of all are you a CENG in uk?

if no, then you must join as a grad eng but you dont have to wait if you have sufficient prove and log to show... you can go straight to the interview

Just wondering, if i am working as an engineer in sg, and I am registered with BEM, will the 3 years experience in oversea taken into account?

I think most of you can directly call BEM or go to their office at JKR Building Level 17,Jalan Sultan Salahuddin.

I already getting my own PE . If you're working in construction and consultancy industries then it will be important certificate and may add up to your salary.

The rest of industry , I don't think it is relevant,

YES

Comparing salary, to be able to add the "Ir." in front of my name is my main concern lol

I see, thanks for answering my question