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nicvoo
post Apr 16 2008, 10:09 PM

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fresh grad or u work as an engineer then wanan apply 1st go bem then iem then 3 year following a mentor who is a PE or IE or ENGR o watever u wanna call himthen u can go for an interview then if u pass u get ur PE IR ENGR or watever u call it in msia. but i ehard msia u need to take a test also not sure but can always find out

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fresh grad/any eng who wanna apply PE exam basically its wat u have learnt in uni then 3 year xp then an interview b4 u r crowned wif a PE chop
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post Apr 16 2008, 10:27 PM

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jus to add u get ir/pe/engr in msia u cant use in sg or any parts of the world req laws codes in diff countries differ each other
nicvoo
post Apr 22 2008, 05:31 PM

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being a pe doesn't mean tat u r better then anyone.jus proves that the gov recognizes your xp.there r many other eng out there tat hav the xp but jus don't apply for it.being a pe u'll need to bear the responsibility on your chop.which if u misuse might lead u to jail
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post Apr 23 2008, 02:54 PM

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in the construction industry yes u'll get higher pay.in r n d or fac industry hav o not also no diff.jus tat if u r a pe u need to know wat u r talkin about and dun go charging in blindly ppl will laugh their ass off if u r a pe n talk crap.

Even then go elec a chargeman hv cert in msia can get earn alot tat doesn't need u to hav a degree or for mech a boiler cert.which will get u more job and xp compared to a pe
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post Nov 24 2010, 09:27 AM

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for SG to be a PE isnt so simple. 1st your uni need to b recognized by the PE board whole of msia only UM is recognized even then they only recognize the Electrical and Pure Mech only. manufacturing mech is not recognized

then u need to sit for 1st paper which is mostly your uni day's exam ques if u r elec the paper will hav fault cal, transmission systems, etc.
mech ones u hav heat transfer, thermodynamics etc.

after passing the 1st paper u need to sit for the 2nd paper which consist of mostly design and codes since u're working in sg i'm sure u know sg has damn many codes.


after 2nd paper 3y xp with local completed projects and a report need to be done b4 u can submit and attend the PE board interview. they'll interview u on your report n work xp.


Added on November 24, 2010, 9:33 amiirc BEM dun open on sat. but u can always call up n ask. and iirc u can mail them your application however, make sure its complete.

anyway meaningless since u work overseas u cant attend the courses they offer to collect the points.

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post Nov 24 2010, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(kl87 @ Nov 24 2010, 08:23 PM)
only UM being recognized  ? rclxub.gif  damn....

i'm sure u know sg has damn many codes. yeah , damn lot code . cop n then the ss

anyway meaningless since u work overseas u cant attend the courses they offer to collect the points. the only solution i can think of is , live in Johor . But the problem is , dun know will there be any courses offered in Johor , or will clash with my working hour . Just hope the course will be on weekend.... tongue.gif
yeah, is the "Washington Accord" i'm counting on right now . dun worry , will keep u guys updated ~ gone do my BEM registration 1st ....
heard that can take external paper from BEM, success then can register with them , but not much details, as this info i got long time ago from my lecturer.
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yup CP 1-100 also go SS dunno wat to wat fire code summore got 6volumes iirc.

great cont dreaming it'll b on weekends didnt u know msia is 5 working days only? lol even in sg the courses/seminars for PEs r on weekdays

btw u get IR in msia can only practice in msia u get PE in sg only can practice in sg

not sure about chartered. chartered eng only recognised in hk,aussie uk i hear

anywya y wanna get an IR or PE? nowadays its damn worthless not to mention the amount of responsibility especially in SG


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post Nov 25 2010, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(kl87 @ Nov 25 2010, 08:24 AM)
hahaha, then may i know, if those courses/seminars will be held on night ? if not , even if i stay in johor, it is impossible for me to join rclxub.gif

i will only work in singapore for few years, after that sure going back to My, as my family and frens stil there.

so getting a Ir in malaysia still relevant for me. especially no more x2.4 salary, to get a high salary in My , the only thing i can count on is the Ir tittle  tongue.gif

while getting Ir in sg, it seems like a "mission impossible" for me, after wat u said....
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u sure wif a PE u can get high pay?
simply jus sign any bloody drawings tat comes in your way?
well no wonder the industry in getting from bad to worst with the mindset of yours

wanna get high pay u join wrong industry already


Added on November 25, 2010, 9:42 amnot really mission impossible to get PE in sg u can take a masters course in nus or ntu then u can qualify to sit for the exams

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post Nov 25 2010, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(kl87 @ Nov 25 2010, 11:12 AM)
i knw wat u tries to say. just that become a PE will have more advantages , not to mention about the sign drawng things, but at least more option , like become a RE, working with contractor as consultant , or even open own M&E firm. laugh.gif  right ?
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nah..dun blame u
u haven been in the industry long enuf

RE dun need a PE unless u r civil
+ not many projects hav M&E RE
work wif contractor as consultant no pe also can enuf xp can already y the contractor wan a PE on their side? wan u sign drawing only ma wan u to design meh their design many times more practicel n better then yours.
open own firm?jus c the amount of competition 1stly, 2ndly your network
in msia u dunno a few dato YB tan sri jus bcos u r PE u think can get job? lol
if u hav connections u dun need a PE already u can hire a PE to get him to sign u only go find jobs.
in SG how can u compete with the big companies? BECA, PB, TYLIN, Meinahrdt, Aecom unless u say u can offer wat they r doin at half their price else jus do small small jobs
in msia dun say every bugger is a PE every bugger is opening their own firm producing crappy drawings

to me if u wanna b a PE for the pay is a very stupid reason
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post Nov 25 2010, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(ch_teo @ Nov 25 2010, 01:11 PM)
IEM Southern Branch, you may try to put your address at JB, then any updates/seminars, they will notify you.
http://www.iemsb.org.my/

nicvoo has mentioned lot of things happening at site from RE's point.
Lot of RE handles C&S + M&E, depends on project scale.
Sometimes, C&S RE with Ir. at site will hand-sketch modify the drawings from HQ consultant & implement at site. He will sign the modify drawings & feedback to HQ (the designer) due to impracticable design.

That is one of the many reasons I left consultant after 3 years plus in M&E (2.5 years design experience at M side from high rise building to infra [prepare tender doc, plumbing, sanitary, lift + escalator, natural gas, ACMV, fire protection, T&C, SAT], 7 months plus full time based at site as inspector) & join oil & gas.

Just for your info, my knowledge is slightly better than a Ir. when i joined a consultant company last time. Even 1 of my seniors without Ir. far far better than a Ir. Not boosting, it is a realization when discussing design & actual practicability come to site implementation & construction stages, tender document...there are lot of things happening at site, it is not like design in office.
The value of Ir. for me is??? Unless you join back consultant firm.
Singapore with Er. is very lucrative if as part time & as 3rd party inspector/certificator but the "heavy responsibilities" are there in case unlucky events happened, touch wood...
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yes many experienced ppl b better then IRs or ERs y they dont take the IR title? simple they dont wan to wake up 1 morning n get sued.

QUOTE(kl87 @ Nov 25 2010, 01:36 PM)
yes, u r right , i have too little exp in this field, maybe work for few years then i can know the reality ....haiz  cry.gif  seems like i really have to rethink my path of career.

p/s: just few weeks in work , dun be too harsh on me la  tongue.gif 
advice and helps noticed. thx a lot ~
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well tats y i say i dont blame u i've seen many who r like u amongst my colleagues and friend they think getting an IR title means they will b highly paid n can goyang kaki. the truth is totally opposite. worst still in sg where if u get an IR n dont wanna sign cos dont wanna take the responsibility the authorities will revoke your title. especially for FIRE designs

QUOTE(feekle @ Nov 25 2010, 01:39 PM)
U are right dude...no future of being 'high pay' become civil engineer in malaysia..become kuli...the only path is to become contractor & sogok here & there & become rich..
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yes tats the truth but you always have the choice to take or not to

QUOTE(afosz @ Nov 25 2010, 01:50 PM)
That's the 'side income' or 'undertable envelope' but let's not get too detail about it, shall we ? Although we all know that is the reality.

Ir title is required, especially in civil. You get the respect, and the pay. To earn one is not as easy as it sounds like. Most people I know with Ir are from civil. Once I met an Ir but he's from electrical, I thought "What, electrical can get Ir too ?" and that is the first time I know Ir for engineers for all fields, not particularly on civil, but for civil, it is something like a must get title.
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only in the construction industry Irs are required. Mech Elec n Civil
the a Qualified person is required to endorse the design. u dont wan a switch board to blow up in your face do u?or getting a black out everytime thers a storm or during fire the spinkler system n exhaust dont work or a building to crack n collapse when u r in it right?

 

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