QUOTE(bernardryan @ Oct 25 2010, 01:08 PM)
For you to take the Professional Assessment Examination (PAE), you have to be registered with BEM for 3 years. IEM is just a society of engineers. BEM is the regulatory board.
There are 2 ways to obtain your PE (Ir.).
1) Mentoring system, this way you have to become a graduate member with IEM and request them to assign you a mentor. For the next 3 years, quarterly, you will have to meet up with your Mentor and discuss what you've learnt over the past 3 months. And also fill up your log book. Very very tedious system but sure way for you to learn throughout your 3 years.
2) Submitting a design report - After 3 years of experience (usually 5 years would be a good time to apply), you will have to fill in the necessary forms and write 2 reports. 1 report would be the Experience report of what you've done throughout your working life, sort of like a resume. The other report is the design report which during your working career, you choose a project that you were involved in and write about that. So it can be anything from designing a pump system for mechanical engineers, designing a water treatment plant for chemical engineers, etc. Then you submit both your reports to your Interviewer and then you will go for the interview where you will be questioned on the design report just to make sure that you didn't copy it. Depending on the interviewer, you might just fail there and then if you don't know basic stuff. After the interviewer is satisfied, you will be required to write 2 essays. 1 with regards to your design report and 1 from the Code of Ethics.
Let me know if you need help. I hope I didn't confuse anyone further.
For me, I never was an IEM member until i sat for my PAE. So I actually applied to become a Corporate Member instead of the normal process of converting your Graduate membership to a corporate membership. I didn't see the need to waste my money for 3 years when my company would pay for me if i wanted to go for trainings hosted by IEM.

There are 2 ways to obtain your PE (Ir.).
1) Mentoring system, this way you have to become a graduate member with IEM and request them to assign you a mentor. For the next 3 years, quarterly, you will have to meet up with your Mentor and discuss what you've learnt over the past 3 months. And also fill up your log book. Very very tedious system but sure way for you to learn throughout your 3 years.
2) Submitting a design report - After 3 years of experience (usually 5 years would be a good time to apply), you will have to fill in the necessary forms and write 2 reports. 1 report would be the Experience report of what you've done throughout your working life, sort of like a resume. The other report is the design report which during your working career, you choose a project that you were involved in and write about that. So it can be anything from designing a pump system for mechanical engineers, designing a water treatment plant for chemical engineers, etc. Then you submit both your reports to your Interviewer and then you will go for the interview where you will be questioned on the design report just to make sure that you didn't copy it. Depending on the interviewer, you might just fail there and then if you don't know basic stuff. After the interviewer is satisfied, you will be required to write 2 essays. 1 with regards to your design report and 1 from the Code of Ethics.
Let me know if you need help. I hope I didn't confuse anyone further.
For me, I never was an IEM member until i sat for my PAE. So I actually applied to become a Corporate Member instead of the normal process of converting your Graduate membership to a corporate membership. I didn't see the need to waste my money for 3 years when my company would pay for me if i wanted to go for trainings hosted by IEM.
QUOTE(sungami @ Jun 21 2009, 01:17 AM)
There are two ways to become a professional engineer in Malaysia:
a) Through BEM ===> By sitting for their PAE (Professional Assessment Examination)
- In order to be able to sit for their PAE you MUST have a minimum of 3 years of working experience.
- Your 3 years of working experience ONLY STARTS counting after you have registered with the BEM.
- Eg. In the year 2009 you have been effectively working for 10 years but you have registered with the BEM only in 2008. That means you only
have 1 year of working experience in their clock. Therefore, all fresh graduates please register with the BEM ASAP after your graduation. It is
supposed to be illegal for you to work in the capacity of an engineer without a registration with the BEM.
- The second requirement before you can sit for their PAE is to complete 60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP (Professional
Development Programme). PS: My abbreviation for PDP may be wrong.
- Once you have sat and passed the PAE you will gain your P.Eng and hence, entitled to use the title Ir.
Eg. Ir. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), P.Eng
b) Through IEM ===> By sitting for their PI (Professional Interview)
- Before even talking about the PI, a fresh graduate is encouraged to register with the IEM as a graduate engineer. Once you have registered with
the IEM as a graduate engineer, you are entitled to the title Engr. As simple as that.
Eg. Engr. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), GM.I.E.M
- Once you are a graduate member, you can then proceed on to become their corporate member which consists of the bulk of the IEM membership.
Note: It is not mandatory to become a graduate member first before becoming a corporate member.
- In order to become a corporate member, you have to first sit for the PI.
Note: The PAE by BEM is EXACTLY the same as the PI by IEM. In fact the PAE is run by the same people that organizes the PI.
- In order to be able to sit for the PI, applicants SHOULD have at least a minimum of 3 years of working experience. It will be virtually
impossible to pass the PI if you have less than 3 years of working experience since you will most probably have insufficient materials to be put in
your report.
Note: It is not necessary to become a graduate member first before you can sit for the PI and there is no IEM clock that counts your working
experience. If you have been working for 10 years, you will then have 10 years of working experience as far as IEM is concerned.
- Once you have sat and passed the PI, you are entitled to use the title Engr. (Same title as the graduate engineer)
Eg. Engr. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), M.I.E.M
- Once you have your Engr. (M.I.E.M) you can then proceed to top up with the Ir (P.Eng) from BEM. There are two scenarios:
===> If you have not registered with the BEM, go register with them and wait three years before getting your P.Eng. You must also complete the
60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP.
===> If you have registered with the BEM and have three years of woking experience according to their clock, you can get your P.Eng.
immediately. You must also complete the 60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP.
Once scenario 1 and 2 are covered, you will have the privillege to use the titles:
Eg. Ir. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), P.Eng, M.I.E.M ===> Normally people will use Ir. only if they have both the
Ir. and Engr.
Notes:
1) If you have to approve or/and submit layouts/designs to the approving authortity, P.Eng is mandatory. But if you are working in the manufacturing sector for instance, you can opt just for the M.I.E.M. Getting either/both the P.Eng or the M.I.E.M is a great personal satisfaction if you ask me and they look absolutely fabulous on your resume
.
2) Once you get your P.Eng from BEM, you will have to renew your "license" every year in order to be able to continue to use the title Ir. Before you can renew your license, you must complete 40 hours (I may be wrong) of CPD (Continuous Professional Development).
3) Feel free to add/correct my points as necessary.
Thanks a lot for the infomation.a) Through BEM ===> By sitting for their PAE (Professional Assessment Examination)
- In order to be able to sit for their PAE you MUST have a minimum of 3 years of working experience.
- Your 3 years of working experience ONLY STARTS counting after you have registered with the BEM.
- Eg. In the year 2009 you have been effectively working for 10 years but you have registered with the BEM only in 2008. That means you only
have 1 year of working experience in their clock. Therefore, all fresh graduates please register with the BEM ASAP after your graduation. It is
supposed to be illegal for you to work in the capacity of an engineer without a registration with the BEM.
- The second requirement before you can sit for their PAE is to complete 60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP (Professional
Development Programme). PS: My abbreviation for PDP may be wrong.
- Once you have sat and passed the PAE you will gain your P.Eng and hence, entitled to use the title Ir.
Eg. Ir. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), P.Eng
b) Through IEM ===> By sitting for their PI (Professional Interview)
- Before even talking about the PI, a fresh graduate is encouraged to register with the IEM as a graduate engineer. Once you have registered with
the IEM as a graduate engineer, you are entitled to the title Engr. As simple as that.
Eg. Engr. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), GM.I.E.M
- Once you are a graduate member, you can then proceed on to become their corporate member which consists of the bulk of the IEM membership.
Note: It is not mandatory to become a graduate member first before becoming a corporate member.
- In order to become a corporate member, you have to first sit for the PI.
Note: The PAE by BEM is EXACTLY the same as the PI by IEM. In fact the PAE is run by the same people that organizes the PI.
- In order to be able to sit for the PI, applicants SHOULD have at least a minimum of 3 years of working experience. It will be virtually
impossible to pass the PI if you have less than 3 years of working experience since you will most probably have insufficient materials to be put in
your report.
Note: It is not necessary to become a graduate member first before you can sit for the PI and there is no IEM clock that counts your working
experience. If you have been working for 10 years, you will then have 10 years of working experience as far as IEM is concerned.
- Once you have sat and passed the PI, you are entitled to use the title Engr. (Same title as the graduate engineer)
Eg. Engr. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), M.I.E.M
- Once you have your Engr. (M.I.E.M) you can then proceed to top up with the Ir (P.Eng) from BEM. There are two scenarios:
===> If you have not registered with the BEM, go register with them and wait three years before getting your P.Eng. You must also complete the
60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP.
===> If you have registered with the BEM and have three years of woking experience according to their clock, you can get your P.Eng.
immediately. You must also complete the 60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP.
Once scenario 1 and 2 are covered, you will have the privillege to use the titles:
Eg. Ir. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), P.Eng, M.I.E.M ===> Normally people will use Ir. only if they have both the
Ir. and Engr.
Notes:
1) If you have to approve or/and submit layouts/designs to the approving authortity, P.Eng is mandatory. But if you are working in the manufacturing sector for instance, you can opt just for the M.I.E.M. Getting either/both the P.Eng or the M.I.E.M is a great personal satisfaction if you ask me and they look absolutely fabulous on your resume
2) Once you get your P.Eng from BEM, you will have to renew your "license" every year in order to be able to continue to use the title Ir. Before you can renew your license, you must complete 40 hours (I may be wrong) of CPD (Continuous Professional Development).
3) Feel free to add/correct my points as necessary.
Got few question here, hope can get some helps :
1.
I've graduated and now working with an M&E firm. However, my convo will only be held on March next year, which means i only can get my cert on next year March. So, is it possible for me to register myself with BEM without the cert ?
As i heard the process will already take 3-4 months, if i waited for my cert, earliest i can get registered with BEM will be around Jun - July ,more than half years exp gone
2.
I'm now working in Singapore, will my exp be recognized by BEM / IEM ? or is it possible for me to register with the Singapore bodies ? and get the Ir. in Singapore ? any suggestion ? pls help ~
p/s: my bachelor is under a Malaysia Uni , the course is recognized by BEM.
Anyone can help , appreciate a lot ~ THANK YOU ~
regards,
kl
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