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post Feb 26 2008, 06:44 PM, updated 16y ago

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Introduction

Sugar gliders are little marsupials that have been taken as exotic pets in many countries. These creatures are different from normal pet rodents like hamsters, mice and rats. They have character, mood swings, emotional bonds and the sweetest nature for a pet that comes in such a small package. Commonly mistaken as flying squirrels, Sugar gliders can be both easy and hard to take care. Their general care is much more complicated than pet rodents and they require alot of affection and attention from its owners. Look at it this way, gliders are like 3 year old kids.... they act cute and can annoy us sometimes while at the same time needs our total attention and bond.

Sugar gliders are tiny gliding opossums from Indonesia, New Guinea, New Zealand and Australia. The gliders that we get as pets in Malaysia are mostly from Indonesia as the other countries limit or does not allow native animals to be exported in the pet trade. Wild sugar gliders live in colonies of 6 to 15 animals in tree hollows or other nests made of vegetation. They are nocturnal so will mainly spend most of their day time asleep, only waking up at early mornings and late at night to forage for food.

An adult sugar glider is about the size of a flying squirrel, approximately 5 to 7 inches long from tip of nose to base of tail. Adults in proper body condition weigh about 120g. The tail is fluffy, often curls on the end and usually is longer than the body length.

Sugar glider joeys are normally a nice slivery grey but as they age, they will shed away this soft joey coat and replace with their true colours. Some glider colours that we have here are the normal greys and a few shades of browns. Some would turn brown if they constantly stay in coconuts coz it stains the fur. You should not worry about the colour for each sugar glider is unique in its own little way.

Where to get a joey? What age and size?

Petshops and suppliers do sell Sugar Gliders but please be aware if the age and size. Some shops may tell you that the younger the joey, the better but do remember, these animals when young needs milk to stay healthy. Also, our local pet milk or cows milk is not suitable since marsupials cannot tolerate lactose that is higher than 3.5%.

A guide to know which is the right age and which is not.

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According to Lisa from Suncoast...

"If you get gliders too young, the risk of them dying on you early is greatly increased. So here are some general guidelines that should apply in most cases.

If you have an average sized hand, the body length (not including the tail) should be about the width of your hand, or slightly longer. If the body is smaller than the width of your hand, that baby may be too young. Also, the hair on the tail should be fluffy and full.  If the fur is laying somewhat flat on the tail, that baby is definitely too young. Tails start getting pretty fluffy around 6 weeks out of pouch age, so flat tail hair is a sure sign the joey is too young to be leaving home."


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Unless you have a bloody huge hand then thats a different story!

Until then, use this simple guide to measure a joey before purchasing them.

(And bear in mind, most of the joeys sold I see are smaller than the width of my hand there... sad.gif )

KP

Never get a joey that looks like this:
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Original photo by Hun

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Photos as reference from www.glideruniversity.org

Underaged sugar gliders..... never get joeys that look like the ones in these pictures. They still need their mother's milk and warmth, they need more attention and more work than properly weaned joeys. Those pics, the joeys are only 3 weeks old Out Of Pouch.... joeys should be separated when they are more than 8 weeks Out Of Pouch... and that is the minimum age. The best age is actually 3 months....

Some people have experience their joeys dying... WHY? Coz the joey is too young, it is depressed and stressed.... a joey that young that is depress will not have any appetite for food, will catch cold and die coz it gives up living.

You should be getting joeys that look like these:
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Orginal Photos by Reanne

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Original Photo by Hun

Do get joeys that are older than 8 weeks Out Of Pouch. Never trust what petshops says. If you would like to get from a supplier but have no idea how to see the age or if the seller is responsible, do PM Reanne, krynzpeaches or crazymouse_yyh for guidance and information.

There are many sellers and suppliers here in LYN, so please beware of them. Some may tempt you into getting an underage joey by giving you false information. Some may sell you a pair package in order for a quick sales. Do your research first before buying.

There are a few good homebreeders here but they only have a few joeys available once or twice a year, so this is why it is hard to come about homebreeders.

Sugar Gliders as Pets

Tame Sugar Gliders just make the perfect pocket pet for they can travel anywhere with us in a little bonding pouch. They got happy little personalities that love to play and have physical contact with us. These creatures need attention. They are 100% social animals that live in small colonies in the wild. When we keep them in captivity, we must be able to give them a lot of attention and time. Play, bond, touching and feeding are all little things that we must do each day in order for our gliders to be perfect little healthy pets.

Gliders can live 10 to 15 years in captivity so they are considered a long term commitment. Make sure you can actually care for the glider for about 10 years before you get one.

Gliders are not like dogs, where you can train it with a leash and harness or collar and they can do tricks and come when called. Sugar gliders got minds of toddlers or young children. They need to be socialized and trained as soon as you get them but do not train them as if you would train a puppy. No, they would not react to "Good Boy/Girl, shake hand and beg" kind of training and tricks. Gliders require a soft human touch when training. They can be trained to know their names, just be patient and repeat their names when you cuddle them, handle them, feed them and during play. Gliders will never know where to defecate and relieve themselves like cats and dogs. Litter boxes would not work. These creatures would do it anywhere they please.

Also, gliders are not really domesticated so they do have a few wild habits like scent marking, chewing and gnawing on items or us and also climbing all sorts of high places.

A fact to remember, sugar gliders glide, they do not fly so don't be a genius and try to make your glider fly like a bird. Sugar gliders have a gliding membrane that connects their front paws to their back feet. They will spread open when there is a need to glide. This is why harnesses and leashes should never be on them for it could tear the membrane and hurt them.

Important items to have before purchasing a glider!

- A bounding Pouch and sleeping pouch
- A large cage suitable for the glider in the long run
- Fruits and glider mix (eg: GliderSLURP!(tm)) with supplements
- A container of mealworms or crickets
- Knowledge on sugar gliders and joey care
- Get in touch with someone that has experience with gliders.


Males or Females?

It is best not to get a male and female pair. Why is that so? Well, a glider can live for 8 to 12 years on average. A glider can readily breed once mature, some would start breeding at 8 months old while some start only at 2 years. Yes, it may sound tempting to have little joeys but can you be that dedicated? To sell one off can also be heartbreaking for you. So to avoid such pain and also overbreeding for gliders, you should either have a single sex pair or get the male castrated if with a female.

Is there any difference with males and females? Physically yes, females have a pouch on their tummy, it is like a belly button-kind of opening. Males would have their testicles looking like hanging cherries. The males when they mature, would develop a bald patch on its head. This is normal. The bald patch is the scent gland. Males have another scent gland on their chest and also at the anal area. Females do have scent glands to but only at the anal area.

Males musk, means covering their scent all over their territory. Females will mark but very little.

2 males can get along well if there are no females around. But 2 males can fight if a female is about coz they would fight over breeding rights. 2 females get along well too.

If you want to keep a male without all the musking and territorial attitude, get it neutered at a qualified and experience vet. Remember, your pet can live up to 10 years so make the right decision.

If you are thinking about breeding, please please please do read the caresheets and also research more on glider breeding. This is not simple and in the long run, over breeding can stress a glider and can cause it to have a short life span. Not healthy for them.

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General Breeding Information

In this forum, we do not encourage breeding if you do not have the time and knowledge but here are a few websites to guide you if you are curious to know. Also it has pictures and about joey growth:

http://www.petsugargliders.com/sggrowth.php

About milk for gliders:
http://www.pygmypets.com/sg8.html

Good Care Sheets:
http://www.sugarglidercentral.com/wiki/ind...ider_Care_Sheet
http://www.exoticpetvet.com/breeds/sugarglider.htm
http://www.sugar-gliders.com/sugar-glider-care.htm
http://ksks.essortment.com/sugarglidercar_rdxi.htm
http://www.sugargliderbabies.com/info.htm
http://www.thesugarshack.com/
http://thepetglider.com/index/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/cont...tegory/5/19/64/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/cont...tegory/5/25/64/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/content/view/36/64/

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Housing

Adult gliders can tolerate a temperature range of 18�-31�C. If you ever keep in an air condition room, never keep the cage directly under the air flow of the glider could catch a cold. Recommended temperature for an air cond room with gliders would be 23�C to 26�C. Gliders in air cond rooms would need warm bedding like fleece or old tshirts to keep them warm in their pouches. Why pouches? Firstly, it is soft and warm, it is also very comfortable and easy to clean and wash. Try and avoid hideboxes for hamsters and birds, coconuts with holes, plastic bird houses. These things just causes your glider to hide more from you and it is hard to clean and also to get your glider out of the hidebox or coconut. A timid glider may become over protective of it's coconut or box and will be harder to tempt it out than a glider that is in a sleeping pouch. Fabric for the pouches should be absorbent materials such as fleece or cotton because it keeps humidity from building up inside, and also "breathe" so that moisture and smells don't build up. It's also easy to wash. If you use materials such as plastic or glazed ceramic, your gliders will eventually take on a brownish tinge as their fur is stained by the trapped moisture, and they probably won't smell as nice as they should.

As for cages, the bigger it is, the better for gliders! Do not be fooled by people saying that hamster cages are good enough or fish tanks. Even small bird cages are too small for them.

Here are some pictures from the Internet as an example of suitable cages:

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Dimension: 18" x 14" x 34"

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Dimensions: 60" tall x 30" wide x 30" deep

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Dimensions: 19" X 28" X 72

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Cage is available at Pet Shack(Sunway Mentari), Pet Safari(Ikano), Petaling Street petshops, depending on quality, prices are around RM100 or more.

Websites on sugar glider cages, even a How To page:
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/sugarglider...rglidercage.htm
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/sugarglider...rglidercage.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/facehugger/cageplans.html

You can use coconut decorative pots but make sure they are not glazed. Polished ones are ok.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...=post&id=214243

You can get creative with cage accessories. You can use plastic link chains, twine rope, nylon rope, hammocks, flower pots... the list just goes on with your creativity. Check out Garage Sales for sleeping pouches that are a must have for gliders.

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Wooden toys for birds do make excellent toys for gliders.

Gliders are arboreal, they need lots of climbing exercise. You can get hold of ExoTerra Vines and make a creeping perch for your gliders to climb up on. Get hold of safe non-toxic branches and use natural fine twine to create climbing ladders or stands, make it up to your own creativity.

Besides climbing material, gliders do love to run on wheels so getting a quality wheel is good for their health. The safest wheel for gliders are Wodent Wheels, which are available only at Pet Shack. So get yourself a wheel. No other places carry this wonderful wheel which your glider would enjoy running and playing on.

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Bedding and Cage Substrate

Now it must seem that sugar gliders look like rodents, so some petshops would recommend you to buy hamster wood shavings for your gliders. This is a very big mistake. Never use hamster wood shavings on gliders for the wood would secrete phenols which could cause lung damage in the long run.

Gliders love to sleep in their hideboxes or coconuts or sleeping pouches but they do love it when there is something soft for snuggling. Do not give our normal bath towels. You can just use plain old soft tissue paper. Fleece pieces could be made into blankets. Another safe material would be our cotton tshirts. Get 1 of those Rm3.90 cotton tshirts from Carrefour or Giant hypermarkets and cut the shirt into little pieces. Make sure there are no strings or holes in it. The reason why tissue paper, fleece and cotton tshirts are recommended is that very often gliders like to chew and kick around the material. Stringy towels or holey cloths would tangle the gliders, causing the lost of limbs or worst, death from suffocation. Also, never use sponge or pure cotton.

As for cage substrate, always make sure there is a wire mesh separating the gliders from the substrate at least with a 1 inch gap. You can use plain old newspaper, corn cob bedding, Breeder's Celect Recycled Paper cat litter, Litter Star silicon cat litter pellets or Careline Wood base cat litter. All this can be found in Pet Safari.

For cage accessories, you can contact krynzpeaches

For cages good for gliders, you can contact jtl


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Bonding

The very first day you get your glider, it would obviously be a bit scared and needs to adjust it's new surroundings. Place the joey in its pouch and let it have some alone time in the cage. Move the cage to a darker part of the room away from loud noises. Place an old shirt that you have worn into the cage or drape it on top of the cage so that the glider can at least get a whiff of your scent. Place some food and water and let your glider adjust for a day without much disturbance.

The following day. Get your joey or glider accustom to you by touch it. Then have it inside the bonding pouch and carry with you during the day. Gliders are nocturnal animals, means they sleep during the day and are active late at night. Carrying them in a bonding pouch during their sleeping period quickens the bonding process. They like to be against our warm body, hearing our voice, getting our smell and scent into their system. It feels comforting. Don't expect that a glider or joey would become tame in 1 day or 1 week. This bonding process takes months to become successful. Once the glider gets used to our smell, our voice and our warmth, they will look up to use like a friend or companion instead of someone who just feeds and cleans them.

Do remember, they are still animals so gliders will bite, scratch, make noises or try to run away if they feel scared or uncomfortable. So patience is the key. Also, these smart animals know how to "bully" their owners. Some will show anger by biting or attacking or crabbing. This is normal. Never be afraid of such things. Be brave and handle the glider so that it knows you aren't afraid of it. In future, your glider will learn to respect you properly.

Joeys are also easier and faster to tame and bond than adults. Most of the adults in the market are captive bred but they are wild at heart coz they have never been tamed or handled. So Adult gliders need extra time and extra attention when it comes to bonding and taming.

Some questions that came up...

My glider is tame, but he won't return to me. What should I do?
Every glider has a different personality so not all would return to their owners. When you let a glider out of its cage, make sure to glider-proof the room. Sugar gliders are intelligent animals but they do have a mind of their own. Some are comfortable to stay on you and won't leave you alone. Some prefer to play and explore only returning occasionally to make sure you are still there while some just prefer to play away by themselves. Treat them as individuals with attitude.

My sugar gliders have started to bite. Is this normal? What can we do to discourage this?
This is quite normal in bonded gliders. What is the exact reason? Nobody knows why but we can make assumptions. In the wild, sugar gliders gnaw on their favourite trees. Since we are large beings, we may feel like trees to them. Also, bored gliders do like to play bite and gnaw on fingers. Some biting can also be a sign of hunger. If your glider does this as a habit everyday to you, then teach it that biting gives unpleasant things. Everytime your glider bites you hard, blow into its face and say "NO". Most gliders hate it when we blow into their faces.

Example of pouches and cage accessories for sugar gliders:

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Must Sugar Gliders be Kept in a Pair?

There are many cases against keeping sugar gliders alone due to their nature in living in a colony of gliders. Keeping gliders in at least a pair is recommended because many people cannot give half of their time to their gliders.

Gliders can die from loneliness so there is no way to keep a glider alone locked up in the cage for most of its life.

Gliders can certainly be kept alone if the owner is able to spend tons of time with the glider (we're talking about at least 12 hours). This is easier than it's been made out to be. Gliders kept singly will only require 1 hour of play-time but snuggling up to their owner, seeing them every hour or two, receiving strokes murmurs from their owners is what keeps the glider from being lonely. Being pocket pets, gliders can be brought to almost everywhere so they're easy enough to keep by your side for 12 hours or more.

But then if you get 1 gliders at once and try to bond with them, they may not bond as quickly or as closely to you. The best would be obtaining a single glider first, bond and tame it... and in about 2 months time get your 2nd glider to bond and tame. Bonding is alot of hard work but it totally pays off when you see how well and friendly your glider is to you.

Most of us here keep our gliders at least about 10 hours a day on us. We bring them to college, outings or work places in their bonding pouches. Will it cause any trouble? Well, for joeys, they can make noises like crabbing and hissing but this is only a phase. Once they get used to you and your routine, they will sleep like logs in their pouches. Of course, do check with the rules and regulations of your work place or college if they are against pets.


Glider Scent

Male sugar gliders have a scent gland in the middle of the top of their head, which causes the typical bald spot in the center of the wide part of the black stripe there. Another gland is located in the middle of their chest. A third gland, an anal one, is shared by males and females alike. The females also have a scent gland in their pouch.

The male's forehead and chest glands are used in marking his territory and his mates with his scent. Gliders produce at least three distinct odors. One is a sweet, flowery smell; another I don't know how to describe, but it is not really offensive. It can get relatively strong at times, when they are breeding, but after a few days it dies away again. The third is a pungent smell that is produced by the anal gland when a glider is afraid.

Gliders use urine to mark their territory, so you will need to clean their cages and furnishings periodically. Otherwise though, they are very clean little animals.
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Diet/Nutrion written by krynzpeaches

A good and balanced diet can make all the difference not only to humans, but Sugar Gliders too! This will ensure a healthy and long happy life as well as a more clean and slightly better smelling environment wink.gif

Like the saying "We are what we eat..." So don't take lightly on their diet.

Sugar gliders thrive on sweet substance just like their name, however they cannot take simple sugar like we do, the sweetness must come from natural sources such as fruits. In the wild they require sweet substance from nectar, tree sap, manna, honeydew and fruits, so in captivity, to simulate as close to this, we must provide them with a variety of fresh fruits daily.

Sugar gliders are omnivorous meaning, they don't only need fruits in their diet but insects too for their protein intake. In the wild they get to chase and eat a variety type of insects, but in captivity we normally give them farm raised* meal worms, crickets or boiled chicken meat for their protein. Although there are other types of insects that can be given to sugar gliders, unfortunately we do not have them available here in Malaysia.

DO NOT feed your sugar gliders insects that is captured in your backyard or house compound area, they may contain harmful pesticides that can cause illness to your sugar glider.

For captive sugar gliders, it is also very important to provide them with a daily staple food which can either be a pre-set feeds** that are meant for omnivorous animals or mixes. Unfortunately there is NO pre-set feeds available for sugar gliders in Malaysia. Luckily mixes are something that we can whip up ourselves or be purchased on LYN smile.gif To make your own mixes, there are plenty of the recipes available in the net, however, personally I feel that we need to make a few adjustments to the recipes in the net to accommodate our sugar gliders in Malaysia. Watch out for cereal, alot of baby food cereal in Malaysia contains milk and soya, which is not good for a glider's health.

Here's a breakdown of the 3 main food category intake for captive sugar glider. Always feed to a ratio of 60% fruits and vegetables and 40% protein. (Increase the protein to 50% for breeding sugar gliders especially moms with joey/s In Pouch or Nursing.)

1) A fresh source of fruits or vegetables. The fruits or vegetables are best to be chopped into grab size pieces as sugar glider likes to grab hold of their food by hand to eat them.
*For a list of fruits and vegetables that is has been fed to our local captive sugar gliders plus some remarks about it, click on the spoiler below.*

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2) A fresh source of protein. Farm raised* mealworms or crickets or boiled chicken meat. Be sure to always gut load your mealworms or crickets first before feeding your sugar glider smile.gif

3) A daily staple of mix. (This is a must since we do not have any other pre-set feeds** for their staple diet.)

Vitamins and Calcium supplements (and other supplements) is a need for captive sugar glider to ensure a balance and healthy diet. Most of the food sources provided still lack of vitamins and especially calcium. By giving them these extra supplements, we can ensure them of a long and healthy life wink.gif

Most recommended vitamins and calcium supplements (like Vionate and Rep Cal) are unfortunately NOT available here in Malaysia, however there are other brands that has been found similar to these in Malaysia which is Repti-Vite and Repti-Cal. Vitamins and calcium supplements are normally sprinkled on top of their daily food serving. Not more than a pinch per glider and not more than one serving per day. Means if you have added the supplements to their mix, DO NOT add them to their other foods. Too much of the supplements can be as harmful as not giving them at all.

Another great supplement that can be added to their diet is yogurt. Yogurt is high in protein and calcium plus bacterial cultures that promotes the absorption of calcium better. You can feed them plain low fat yogurt or choose to indulge them in some naturally flavored ones. Not more than 1 teaspoon per glider 2 or 3 times a week only. Avoid getting fat-free yogurt. The best are low-fat yogurt for our gliders.

Finally, ensure that fresh clean water is available at all time. Water bottles such as the ones used for hamsters are highly recommended compared to water in dish bowls because water in dish bowls will get easily contaminated by their food, poo and pee.

Some NO foods / CAUTION foods and why.

1) NO corn - Although sugar gliders will readily dive into it, we must not include corn in their diet because the phosphorus content is higher than any other food, thus do not offer any benefits to sugar gliders except more phosphorus that could lead to bone deficiency.

2) NO avocado - Very high in fat.

3) CAUTION on grapes - Although there is still research going on about this, we must caution on the intake of grapes or raisins due to some death in sugar gliders that points to some of the substance found only in grapes. I'd say better safe than sorry.

4) NO iceberg lettuce - Non nutritional value and can cause watery poo!

5) NO chocolates - Chocolates are a NO-NO to all animals. It causes a toxic chemical reaction in most animals.

6) CAUTION on high fat content food - Nuts especially are high in fat. Some will offer sun flower seeds to their sugar gliders, but do this sparingly and strictly as treats not a part of their diet.

7) NO fried food - Again, very high in fat.

8) NO cat or dog food as a staple- Although most commercial breeders feed their sugar gliders with cat or dog food, they just merely want to substitute the fresh food that needs to be prepared daily, to something easy and lasting to eat without considering their long term health and not to mention - Cheap. Cat food is designed for cats, same goes with dog food. They are not meant for sugar glider. Not to mention that cat or dog food can cause lumpy jaw (because it is hard), intestinal blockage and kidney failure in the long run. You can ONLY feed it as a treat.

* Farm raised mealworms or crickets are those you can buy from our local pet shops.
** Pre-set feeds are those commercial dry staple food specially for sugar gliders.
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A list of fruits we can get locally to feed our gliders:

Apples - Fuji, Gala, Golden, any variety is ok, as long not Granny Smith coz that is sour. Do not feed apples every night. The phosphorus level is higher than calcium.

Oranges - only feed ONCE a week. Feed along with the skin but make sure you scrub the skin clean. Only a small portion. Oranges are acidic, it can cause health problems if given too much, especially young joeys. It benefits in small portions as it has a good amount of calcium but just take note of the acidic side of it.

Watermelon - high in water and also minerals, it can also cause watery poop. So feed in moderation.

BlueBerries - high in antioxidants, a juicy treat for most gliders. Berries are very good for gliders. Take note that you can find fresh blueberries at ColdStorage, Carrefour, Jusco, and basically any hypermarket or supermarket that caters to expatriates.

Strawberries - not very high in calcium but good enough. You can find fresh ones be it from Korea, Camerons, America, Australia or Egypt strawberries.

Honeydew - one fruit that alot of gliders love to eat.

Papaya - a good source of calcium. Don't feed papaya alone. Feed a fruit that is higher in fiber, like apples so that the poop stays firm.

Sweet potato - cooked ones of course. A small amount is good for fiber and carbohydrates.

Rose Apple/Jambu air - make sure you get the large sweet ones. Can find at most market places, high in calcium.

Ciku - a sweet treat, not all gliders may like ciku.

Pineapple - give small amounts like once a week. Only feed very ripe pineapples. Never feed more than a cube. The enzymes benefits the digestion.

Sugar Apple/Custard Apple - Google to find the picture. This fruit is grown locally, is high in calcium and very sweet. Remember to get rid of the seeds.

Kiwi - High in Vitamin C and fiber, it is good in moderation.

Sun Melon/Rock Melon/Cantaloupe - a crunchy melon which is a bit better than honey dew.

Banana - it is high in potassium, but very high in phosphorus, so only give this like once a week but as a little treat. Never a meal.

Starfruit - high in vitamin C as well, make sure all seeds taken out.

Cherry Tomatoes - 1 little tomato every few days is good enough. It is high in vitamin C and also minerals. If you notice lots of seeds, then scoop it out. Never give any green vines or leaves of a tomato plant as that is very VERY toxic.

Plum, Nectarine and Peach - Make sure you take out the stone(seed). Good source of vitamins and minerals

Cherries - excellent fruit with vitamins, antioxidants and also calcium. Can get from Cold Storage or Fruit sellers in certain areas.

Water Chestnut - good source of fiber, limit amounts.

Durian - some gliders love it. Take care not to give too much and also no seeds.

Nangka/Jack Fruit - An exotic flavour, some may not like it.

Mango - loved by most gliders, it is packed with goodness.

Lemon skin and orange skin - High High High in calcium!

Persimmon - Good fiber, calcium and phosphorus level also same.

Grapes - Only give seedless ones. Also, do not give everyday. Like with oranges and pineapple, give once a week and only 1 grape per glider.

Rambutan - Sweet nectar to gliders. Make sure no seeds.

Lychee and Longan - Do not feed so much. These are high in chemicals, so always remove the skin and wash properly before feeding to your gliders.

Figs - Cold Storage and also supermarket catering to expatriates carry these. High in Calcium.

Cucumber - High in water. Make sure you de-seed it as well. No skin.

Celery - Good source of fiber and vitamins. Good calcium ratio as well.

Sawi/Choy Sum - High in calcium.








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Diseases and Disorders - written by bonai -

Sugar gliders are excellent in hiding their illness, so make sure you're always alert about your gliders when they are sick. If your pet shows signs of illness, do not give it any medications unless prescribed by your veterinarian. Remember that with the appearance of any clinical signs, a qualified veterinarian should be allowed to make a definitive diagnosis. Identifying and treating diseases in their early stages is the key to successful treatment and cure. Like many other exotic species that become ill, sick sugar gliders are very fragile, and require prompt veterinary attention.

Obesity (Same). Treatment -Avoid overfeeding; enlarge living space to encourage more climbing and exercise.

Hyperparathyroidism (Weakness, muscle tremors, fractures). Treatment - Caused by nutritional imbalance and calcium deficiency; review and correct diet; calcium supplements.

Head alopecia (Hair loss in the center of the head). Treatment - Normal in some males; identifies the location of ascent gland.

Abdominal "lumps" (Apparent lumps on the stomach of a female glider). Treatment - Again, this is normal; these "lumps" are baby sugar gliders in their mom's pouch!

Lack of or decline in appetite. Treatment - Can be caused by stress (lack of companionship, too much light, temperature fluctuations), may cause blindness, damaged teeth, other illness.

Enteritis (Diarrhea) Treatment - Caused by parasites and/or bacterial infections; treat accordingly; improve sanitation and reduce stress.

Overeating/overdrinking; pacing; excess vocalization. Treatment - Usually caused by boredom; insecurity (lack of adequate hiding places); lack of social interaction; housing too small; correct underlying cause.

Blindness (Partial or complete loss of sight) Treatment - Thought to be dietary in origin; often seen in obese gliders.

Rear-end paralysis (Weakness or paralysis of the hindlimbs) Treatment - Due to poor diet coupled with a lack of exercise; stress may also play a role; treat by correcting diet and increasing size of living quarters.

Incoordination (Falling from branches; bounces into walls) Treatment - Can be caused by blindness, rear-end paralysis, obesity, foot disorders, sprains and fractures; treatment should address the underlying cause.

Recommended vets:
(these vets are known to treat sugar gliders)

1) Dr Yeoh

YEOH VETERINARY CLINIC & SURGERY
126, Jln SS 24/2, Tmn Megah, 47301 PJ, Selangor
Tel: 03-78048684
Fax: 03-78052350
Dr Yeoh can neuter male gliders safely.
Call to make an appointment

2) Dr Jenny

HANDS "N" PAWS
C-17G, Jalan PJU 1/45,
Aman Suria Damansara, 47301 PJ
Tel: 03-78046539
Dr Jenny can neuter male gliders safely.
Call before you go coz Dr Jenny is not always around. She works on weekends.

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Upcoming Sugar Glider Community Events!

Mini glider GATHERING at AmCorp Mall.



Date: 20th April 2008

Time : 12 noon onwards

Venue: Starbucks Coffee.

Number to call: 012 2274728

Place: Take a LRT, Putra LRT, stop at Taman Jaya station, cross the road to AmCorp Mall.

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Directions from various places, it is here:
http://www.eacap.com/localmap.asp


List of members going:


1. crazymouse
2. krynzpeaches
3. saramic
4. thejamz
5. ggMing
6. emino
7. EvanSoon
8. Reanne + few people
9. thisiskj + olivia
10. spinel-sun
11. cukin
12. klubbkidd
13. Eugenechai + friend












Sugar glider gathering/workshop at Pet Safari, Ikano.

Date: Not in April anymore. Postpone to June.

Details will be updated later.


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Pet shops that carry glider accessories.


Pet Shack
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Carries cages, a nice variety of sugar glider accessories and necessities. The only shop carrying WODENT WHEELS for gliders, hamsters and hedgehogs. Safest and most recommended wheel.

Contact: 603- 5637 4536

Operation Hours
Tue - Sat : 11am to 9pm
Sun : 11am to 7pm
Mon : Closed

102 Block A Mentari Business Park
Jalan PJS 8/2
Bandar Sunway
46150 Petaling Jaya
Selangor, Malaysia

Pet Safari
They carry certain items and accessories for gliders. You can find good sized cages, substrate for cages. Metal bowls and bird toys.

PLC Pet Safari (KL) Sdn. Bhd.
S1, IKANO Power Centre,
No. 2, Jalan PJU 7-2,
(Level 2), Mutiara Damansara,
47800 Petaling Jaya, Selangor Darul Ehsan, Malaysia.

Tel: +603-7724 1578
Fax: +603-7724 1527

Operating Hours . 10am - 10pm


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Added on February 27, 2008, 9:50 amThanks Hun for the informative list for reference!!

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Just to share sum news with u guys. Koochee sprained her leg yesterday. I dun know whether she fell or tripped on sumthing.

Cheekoo he woke me up at 4.30am this morning. When i went to see wut its all about, Koochee was moving around with her hind left leg unmoved. I was so worried n was crying like mad. And brought her to sleep with me on the bed. *I remember Dr Jenny said, that a few cases, the joeys cannot even use their hind legs due to unsufficient nutrien. That kinda freaks me out so so much.*

Then at 9am i brought her to the vet and he gave me a pure calcium supplement to help reduce the 'bengkak'. She shud be ok in a few days.

I just need to restrict her movement a bit. Hope she'll recover then.

Anyway, thanks reanne for helping!

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QUOTE(White Palace @ Feb 27 2008, 03:03 PM)
Oh... poor koochee, hope she will get well soon!
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Thanks White Palace. Yeah i really hope she'll recover soon!

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QUOTE(spel'it @ Feb 27 2008, 03:00 PM)
Just to share sum news with u guys. Koochee sprained her leg yesterday. I dun know whether she fell or tripped on sumthing.

Cheekoo he woke me up at 4.30am this morning. When i went to see wut its all about, Koochee was moving around with her hind left leg unmoved. I was so worried n was crying like mad. And brought her to sleep with me on the bed. *I remember Dr Jenny said, that a few cases, the joeys cannot even use their hind legs due to unsufficient nutrien. That kinda freaks me out so so much.*
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Sounds not too good. Hope it's something less serious than hind leg paralysis. Is she still active and moving about, taking food? Let's pray that this isn't permanent and for Koochee to recover speedily. She's a fighter.

Here's a link that may help you look for answers for the time being. LINK.

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QUOTE(rafiqos @ Feb 27 2008, 04:24 PM)
Sounds not too good. Hope it's something less serious than hind leg paralysis. Is she still active and moving about, taking food? Let's pray that this isn't permanent and for Koochee to recover speedily. She's a fighter.

Here's a link that may help you look for answers for the time being. LINK.
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I seriously hope her case is not that bad. Becoz, i gave her the calcium just now, n trimmed her nails, to avoid her yanking her leg if the nails got stuck on anything, n i had had a grip from her! A very soft grip, but its there. Its kinda a relief, showing dat she still got feeling/movement in the leg. But i do hope it wont be as bad as the case. unsure.gif

She's still active. When i pick her up at 4am just now, she stills want to climb all over me. But i just restrict her. Put her on my arms close to my chest n pat her to sleep. She slept instantly. I gave her Lactose Free Milk, and yerp she's drinking n eating. I didnt notice any pee or poops tho... sad.gif

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QUOTE(suiteng @ Feb 27 2008, 06:05 PM)
Ah... koochee get well soon. A little grip is a good sign thumbup.gif
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That is instant rolled oats.... so no.... you can't use any oat that is instant coz it absorbs water very fast and can cause impaction and bloat. Get normal rolled oats. And you should only feed it very little. Not as a staple coz as said before, too much oats can cause impaction.

QUOTE(spel'it @ Feb 27 2008, 03:00 PM)
Just to share sum news with u guys. Koochee sprained her leg yesterday. I dun know whether she fell or tripped on sumthing.

Cheekoo he woke me up at 4.30am this morning. When i went to see wut its all about, Koochee was moving around with her hind left leg unmoved. I was so worried n was crying like mad. And brought her to sleep with me on the bed. *I remember Dr Jenny said, that a few cases, the joeys cannot even use their hind legs due to unsufficient nutrien. That kinda freaks me out so so much.*

Then at 9am i brought her to the vet and he gave me a pure calcium supplement to help reduce the 'bengkak'. She shud be ok in a few days.

I just need to restrict her movement a bit. Hope she'll recover then.

Anyway, thanks reanne for helping!
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Hope Koochee gets better. As long you have brought her to the vet, then it is ok. My glider actually got her foot tangled before with string from an old pouch. It cut her blood circulation and I thought she would lose her leg. I quickly release the pressure by cutting the string. After a few minutes, the leg swelled up and she couldn't use that leg. It was lifeless and swollen. I restricted her movement, gave her more nutritious food and she recovered completely in 2 weeks.

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Wahhh, V5 already??

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Aiyah, Hun cleaned the argument part, missed what was going on tongue.gif

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I went to PW at MidValley.... and I feel totally sorry for those 2 joeys for sale.

Price RM488, underage joey, looks like 5 weeks OOP. Poor thing is not strong enough to chew hard food. The staff there just left a large bowl of IAMS catfood. The display tank had a bright light on. The joeys only had a bowl with a piece of small cloth to hide from the light. There was a sorry piece of branch there, wood shavings as bedding and a hamster bottle of water.

What I do not like is that they are now providing a "Starter Kit" which is very ridiculous......

Critter Trail cage (If I remember correctly, it is the 2 storey one)
1 1kg pack of wood shavings
1 small bag of IAMS catfood.

What kinda Starter Kit is that? Sounds more like for hamster if it weren't for the catfood.... also, gliders should never take catfood as their staple! I'll post the picture I took later.

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Added on February 27, 2008, 9:49 pm[quote=crazymouse_yyh,Feb 27 2008, 09:07 PM]I went to PW at MidValley.... and I feel totally sorry for those 2 joeys for sale.

Price RM488, underage joey, looks like 5 weeks OOP. Poor thing is not strong enough to chew hard food. The staff there just left a large bowl of IAMS catfood. The display tank had a bright light on. The joeys only had a bowl with a piece of small cloth to hide from the light. There was a sorry piece of branch there, wood shavings as bedding and a hamster bottle of water.

What I do not like is that they are now providing a "Starter Kit" which is very ridiculous......

Critter Trail cage (If I remember correctly, it is the 2 storey one)
1 1kg pack of wood shavings
1 small bag of IAMS catfood.

What kinda Starter Kit is that? Sounds more like for hamster if it weren't for the catfood.... also, gliders should never take catfood as their staple! I'll post the picture I took later.
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actually this has been happening ever since the PW ever opened.. ikano is not the only one who cares nothing bout the poor lil gliders.

the mid valley one does not even have a proper place for it to hide right? and then the light was like shining directly at them. last time i saw they had dried carrot to eat...and then summore there were four of them last time. sigh. not even cat food. i managed to smuggle a few pics with camera hp but cant upload last time. damn... lol.


that day i was so pissed cuz i went to a friends house, and hes got a female glider which he got from Pet Safari couple of months back. he was feeding it KOKO CRUNCH and that was what pet safari told him to do apparently. i dont know how true it is lah but most probably?

the poor glider never had fruit to eat. koko crunch all the way. but she really seems to LOVE and LOATHE koko crunch. guess that glider liked food bad for health.

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i think this is a great article... from glideroo of glider central.


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SOY INFORMATION
Soybeans are high in phytic acid, present in the bran or hulls of all seeds. It's a substance that can block the uptake of essential minerals - calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and especially zinc - in the intestinal tract. Although not a household word, phytic acid has been extensively studied; there are literally hundreds of articles on the effects of phytic acid in the current scientific literature. Scientists are in general agreement that grain- and legume-based diets high in phytates contribute to widespread mineral deficiencies in third world countries.15 Analysis shows that calcium, magnesium, iron and zinc are present in the plant foods eaten in these areas, but the high phytate content of soy- and grain-based diets prevents their absorption.

The soybean has one of the highest phytate levels of any grain or legume that has been studied,16 and the phytates in soy are highly resistant to normal phytate-reducing techniques such as long, slow cooking.17 Only a long period of fermentation will significantly reduce the phytate content of soybeans. When precipitated soy products like tofu are consumed with meat, the mineral-blocking effects of the phytates are reduced.18 The Japanese traditionally eat a small amount of tofu or miso as part of a mineral-rich fish broth, followed by a serving of meat or fish.

Vegetarians who consume tofu and bean curd as a substitute for meat and dairy products risk severe mineral deficiencies. The results of calcium, magnesium and iron deficiency are well known; those of zinc are less so.

Zinc is called the intelligence mineral because it is needed for optimal development and functioning of the brain and nervous system. It plays a role in protein synthesis and collagen formation; it is involved in the blood-sugar control mechanism and thus protects against diabetes; it is needed for a healthy reproductive system. Zinc is a key component in numerous vital enzymes and plays a role in the immune system. Phytates found in soy products interfere with zinc absorption more completely than with other minerals.19 Zinc deficiency can cause a "spacey" feeling that some vegetarians may mistake for the "high" of spiritual enlightenment.

The article already mentions the important role that zinc plays. As for CALCIUM, it is needed for normal development/maintenance of bones & teeth, clotting of the blood, normal heart action, normal muscle activity, and serves as an activator of important enzymes. A deficiency in calcium can cause retarded growth, poor tooth/bone formation, Rickets, slow clotting time of blood and Tetany. MAGNESIUM is a constituent of bones, muscles & red blood cells, necessary for healthy muscles/nerves, and for proper body metabolism. A deficiency in magnesium can result in mental, emotional & muscle disorders. IRON is essential for formation of hemoglobin of red blood cells/provision of oxygen to cells and is a constituent of cellular enzymes. A deficiency in iron can result in anemia. COPPER is also essential for formation of hemoglobin/red blood cells and is an essential component of several enzymes. Copper is found in all tissues but its heaviest concentration is in the liver, kidneys, heart & brain. A deficiency can result in anemia, bone demineralization & impaired growth.

The importance of this article extract is:

1)soy products contain much higher amounts of Phytates than other grains/legumes.
2)phytates in soy are highly resistant to normal phytate-reducing techniques such as long, slow cooking & only a long period of fermentation will significantly reduce the phytate content of soybeans but may not elminate it sufficiently.
3)phytic acid can block the uptake of essential minerals such as calcium, zinc, magnesium, copper & iron.
4)When precipitated soy products like tofu are consumed with meat, the mineral-blocking effects of the phytates are reduced.

For those interested in added protein for their gliders, you may or may not know that there are COMPLETE PROTEIN sources & INCOMPLETE PROTEIN sources. Complete protein sources come from animal food sources such as meats, fish, poultry, & eggs (studies have shown animal food sources provide the highest quality/most complete proteins)while incomplete protein sources come from plant foods like corn, grains, nuts, sunflower seeds, and legumes such as soybeans, navy bean, split peas, chick peas & peanuts. So for those using the BML diet, your gliders are getting COMPLETE PROTEINS via the Gerber/Heinz chicken baby food & egg used in the mix. Additional complete protein sources in the BML diet comes in the form of the insects being fed as part of the diet(crickets, mealies) so you should have no worries about protein deficiencies.

As for using soy products as a way to supplement calcium levels, if you're using the BML diet, remember that the Rep-Cal Phosphorus-Free Calcium with Vit. D-3 & the Rep-Cal Herptivite are added in the BML mix & both contain calcium. Also, excessive calcium should be avoided as it can cause constipation/kidney stones and may inhibit the absorption of iron and zinc. Finally, believe it or not, lack of physical activity reduces the amount of calcium absorbed. This is why night-time play and exercise for your glider is so important. Studies have been done showing that exercise helps increase calcium absorption and can improve bone density.

In summary, the phytates/phytic acid in soy products may actually impede the uptake and absorption of calcium as well as other necessary minerals in the digestive tract defeating the very purpose for which the soy product was being added. This could possibly lead to potentially serious health problems for your gliders. Please take the above information into consideration if using or planning to use soy products such as tofu or bean curd as a means to supplement protein/calcium for your gliders.

ON TO SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE:

Soy Protein Isolate is a highly-processed protein isolate where the soy protein is removed from defatted soybean flakes. Soy protein isolate contains over 90% soy protein. It commonly contains GENETICALLY-MANIPULATED SOY. While the soy protein in the isolate is easily-digestible, the use of genetically-manipulated soy and the heavy processesing which removes much of other elements of the soybeans make soy protein isolate a product to avoid where possible.

DANGERS RE: GENETICALLY-MANIPULATED SOY:

1)A recent experiment conducted by independent expert Dr. Alpad Pusztai in the United Kingdom has shown that genetically-manipulated foods can, when fed to animals in reasonable amounts, cause very gradual organ damage and immune system damage.

2)A separate followup experiment conducted by Dr. S.W.B. Ewen, a Senior Pathologist at the University of Aberdeen, has confirmed that it was not the "GNA lectin," but toxic or infectious by-products of the genetic manipulation process which led to the immune system damage and organ damage in the animals fed genetically-manipulated potatoes. Because it was not the lectin in the potatoes, but the genetic manipulation process itself which led to toxicity, similar results might be seen in animals or humans fed genetically-manipulated soy, canola, and corn over a long period of time.

3)there are several differences between the normal breeding process and the artificial genetic manipulation process. One key difference is the USE OF HIGHLY INFECTIOUS VIRUSES for artificial genetic manipulation as a promoter to switch on the introduced gene. One commonly-used virus is a highly-infectious form of the Cauliflower Mosaic Virus (CaMV). (The form of CaMV virus found in normal foods is not highly-infectious and cannot be absorbed by mammals.)

4)another key difference between normal breeding and artificial genetic manipulation is that the genetic manipulation greatly increases the RISK that the PLANT (e.g., soy)WILL DEVELOP TOXIC OR ALLERGY-CAUSING COMPOUNDS. Such unexpected changes have already been shown to occur in some genetically-manipulated crops.

5)the insertion of a new gene can sometimes alter the synthesis of chemicals in the plant. Such an alteration can lead to the change in existing chemical compounds in the plant (including a possible significant increase in existing levels of toxic compounds) or the development of new toxic or allergy-causing compounds. There would be no way to predict these effects in advance and it would be difficult to test for these effects without many years of careful, independent research on human test subjects. Gradual toxic effects could occur over weeks, months, years, or even decades and society would not be aware of the health damage until it was too late.

6)another major risk from genetically-manipulated foods is the possibility that regular exposure to foreign DNA and RNA material inserted into these artificial foods could cause allergic reactions or autoimmune diseases. Recent scientific research has shown that fragments of DNA from genetically-manipulated food ingredients can be detected in the brains of animals fed these food ingredients. There is evidence that DNA and RNA fragments can cause adverse immune system reactions including autoimmune disorders in Immunological Reactions to DNA and RNA. Scientists in the United Kingdom measured a 50% increase in soy allergies in one year. They believe that the increase in soy allergies may be caused by the increased use of genetically-manipulated soy ingredients.

7)finally, some genetically-manipulated crops are changed so that they produce their own high levels of pesticides. For example, genetically-manipulated "Bt" crops have been shown to emit very high levels of toxins. Plants genetically-manipulated to produce Bt toxin produce at least 1000 times more Bt toxin per acre than does a heavy application of Bt directly on the plants. This may lead to problems with long-term ingestion of such foods (such as non-organic corn and corn-based sweeteners). It has also been shown conclusively in scientific research that the HERBICIDES USED on some of these non-organic, genetically-manipulated plants (e.g., soy, canola, corn) ARE EXTREMELY TOXIC & CAN CAUSE BIRTH DEFECTS.


RISK OF KIDNEY STONES?:

oo much soy could lead to kidney stones
New research indicates that soybeans and soy-based foods, a staple in the diets of many health-conscious consumers, may promote kidney stones in those prone to the painful condition. The finding will be published in the September issue of the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, a peer-reviewed journal of the American Chemical Society, the world's largest scientific society.
The researchers measured nearly a dozen varieties of soybeans for oxalate, a compound that can bind with calcium in the kidney to form kidney stones. They also tested 13 types of soy-based foods, finding enough oxalate in each to potentially cause problems for people with a history of kidney stones, according to Linda Massey, Ph.D., at Washington State University in Spokane. The amount of oxalate in the commercial products easily eclipsed the American Dietetic Association's 10 milligram-per-serving recommendation for patients with kidney stones, with some foods reaching up to 50 times higher than the suggested limit, she noted.

"Under these guidelines, no soybean or soy-[based] food tested could be recommended for consumption by patients with a personal history of kidney stones," she said.

No one had previously examined soy foods for oxalate, thus the researchers are the first to identify oxalate in store-bought products like tofu, soy cheese and soy drinks. Other foods, such as spinach and rhubarb, also contain significant oxalate levels, but are not as widely consumed for their presumed health benefits, Massey said.

During their testing, the researchers found the highest oxalate levels in textured soy protein, which contains up to 638 milligrams of oxalate per 85-gram serving. Soy cheese had the lowest oxalate content, at 16 milligrams per serving. Spinach, measured during previous research, has approximately 543 milligrams per one-cup (2 oz. fresh) serving.

Soy, a natural source of protein, fiber and healthy oils, is used to enhance a myriad of foods, ranging from hamburgers to ice cream. It can be ground into flour and used in a variety of grain products, or formed into chunks and ground like meat. Soy is also being studied for its potential to lower cholesterol, reduce bone loss and prevent breast cancer. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration recently approved a new label on foods containing at least 6.25 grams of soy protein per serving that boasts of a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease.

Oxalate, however, cannot be metabolized by the body and is excreted only through urine, Massey said. The compound has no nutritional value, but binds to calcium to form a mass (kidney stones) that can block the urinary system, she said. Further research is needed to find types of soybeans with less oxalate, or to develop a processing method to remove the compound before it reaches consumers, she added.

No one knows precisely why kidney stones occur in particular individuals. But Massey said high levels of oxalate in the urine increase the risk and those with a family history of the ailment are more likely to suffer from the condition; individuals with a low probability of kidney stones are unlikely to be affected by oxalate in soy-based foods.

More than one million people were diagnosed with kidney stones in the United States in 1996, the most recent available data, according to the National Institutes of Health. Stones can range in size from the diameter of a grain of rice to the width of a golf ball. An estimated 10 percent of the U.S. population, mostly men, will develop a kidney stone at some point in their lives, according to the NIH.


CONCLUSION:

1) Based on all the above info., the possible health risks of using soy products/soy protein isolate for your gliders seems to outweigh the possible benefits. However, each member must research the pros and cons of Soy and ultimately make their own decision in the matter.

2)For those using the BML and/or another proven diet, there should be no calcium/protein deficiency issues.[/QUOTE]

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thanks a lot to the suggie thread! i know much more about suggie now! happy.gif
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Hi kerell, hope you learn more as time goes by. tongue.gif Welcome to the suggie thread.
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yeap yeap! hope to learn more from u guys here too! and also hoping to get one of those cute and very charming creatures for myself too! =) and thanks so much for the warm welcome..i feel like home! =)
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aiyo i allready give to my SG
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Feb 27 2008, 09:07 PM)
I went to PW at MidValley.... and I feel totally sorry for those 2 joeys for sale.

Price RM488, underage joey, looks like 5 weeks OOP. Poor thing is not strong enough to chew hard food. The staff there just left a large bowl of IAMS catfood. The display tank had a bright light on. The joeys only had a bowl with a piece of small cloth to hide from the light. There was a sorry piece of branch there, wood shavings as bedding and a hamster bottle of water.

What I do not like is that they are now providing a "Starter Kit" which is very ridiculous......

Critter Trail cage (If I remember correctly, it is the 2 storey one)
1 1kg pack of wood shavings
1 small bag of IAMS catfood.

What kinda Starter Kit is that? Sounds more like for hamster if it weren't for the catfood.... also, gliders should never take catfood as their staple! I'll post the picture I took later.
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Sounds sucky. I mean, wood shavings? Critter trail cage? It's not even for a baby glider doh.gif

I do give my glider IAMS catfood once a week. smile.gif Been doing that for about 2 years. Not as a staple but for calcium.

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I haven't read previous thread but why suddently start feed oat to sg ??
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QUOTE(spel'it @ Feb 27 2008, 04:44 PM)
I seriously hope her case is not that bad. Becoz, i gave her the calcium just now, n trimmed her nails, to avoid her yanking her leg if the nails got stuck on anything, n i had had a grip from her! A very soft grip, but its there. Its kinda a relief, showing dat she still got feeling/movement in the leg. But i do hope it wont be as bad as the case.  unsure.gif

She's still active. When i pick her up at 4am just now, she stills want to climb all over me. But i just restrict her. Put her on my arms close to my chest n pat her to sleep. She slept instantly. I gave her Lactose Free Milk, and yerp she's drinking n eating. I didnt notice any pee or poops tho... sad.gif
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Good to know she is still active and you can feel the grip! Do keep us updated, hope she will be able to use the leg to jump here & there again!
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hi everyone.....

i'm a newbie... just got my suggie last sat after lots of reading & research... thanx 4 all d useful infos... i wud like 2 noe if there's any vets in subang area tat deals wif suggies? just in case...

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QUOTE(spel'it @ Feb 27 2008, 04:44 PM)
I seriously hope her case is not that bad. Becoz, i gave her the calcium just now, n trimmed her nails, to avoid her yanking her leg if the nails got stuck on anything, n i had had a grip from her! A very soft grip, but its there. Its kinda a relief, showing dat she still got feeling/movement in the leg. But i do hope it wont be as bad as the case.� unsure.gif

She's still active. When i pick her up at 4am just now, she stills want to climb all over me. But i just restrict her. Put her on my arms close to my chest n pat her to sleep. She slept instantly. I gave her Lactose Free Milk, and yerp she's drinking n eating. I didnt notice any pee or poops tho... sad.gif
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I'm moved by the loving care that you display towards Cheekoo. Quiet and comfort her by holding her close to your heart, feeding her with the right nourishment such as Lactose Free Milk and calcium suplement in midnight, trimming her nails as precaution. Seeking the right vet as soon morning breaks..
I'm touched by the compassion and love you shown for your lil critter.. exemplifying a good model to me.
Update us on her development of her leg and hope for speedy recovery soon.

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QUOTE(spel'it @ Feb 27 2008, 03:00 PM)
Just to share sum news with u guys. Koochee sprained her leg yesterday. I dun know whether she fell or tripped on sumthing.

Cheekoo he woke me up at 4.30am this morning. When i went to see wut its all about, Koochee was moving around with her hind left leg unmoved. I was so worried n was crying like mad. And brought her to sleep with me on the bed. *I remember Dr Jenny said, that a few cases, the joeys cannot even use their hind legs due to unsufficient nutrien. That kinda freaks me out so so much.*

Then at 9am i brought her to the vet and he gave me a pure calcium supplement to help reduce the 'bengkak'. She shud be ok in a few days.

I just need to restrict her movement a bit. Hope she'll recover then.

Anyway, thanks reanne for helping!
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oh mannn!!is she ok??if it happened to dydy,i would hav cried my eyes out...do update us on her recovery yar... wink.gif

QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Feb 27 2008, 09:07 PM)
That is instant rolled oats.... so no.... you can't use any oat that is instant coz it absorbs water very fast and can cause impaction and bloat. Get normal rolled oats. And you should only feed it very little. Not as a staple coz as said before, too much oats can cause impaction.
Hope Koochee gets better. As long you have brought her to the vet, then it is ok. My glider actually got her foot tangled before with string from an old pouch. It cut her blood circulation and I thought she would lose her leg. I quickly release the pressure by cutting the string. After a few minutes, the leg swelled up and she couldn't use that leg. It was lifeless and swollen. I restricted her movement, gave her more nutritious food and she recovered completely in 2 weeks.
What to do... messy mah hahahah....

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I went to PW at MidValley.... and I feel totally sorry for those 2 joeys for sale.

Price RM488, underage joey, looks like 5 weeks OOP. Poor thing is not strong enough to chew hard food. The staff there just left a large bowl of IAMS catfood. The display tank had a bright light on. The joeys only had a bowl with a piece of small cloth to hide from the light. There was a sorry piece of branch there, wood shavings as bedding and a hamster bottle of water.

What I do not like is that they are now providing a "Starter Kit" which is very ridiculous......

Critter Trail cage (If I remember correctly, it is the 2 storey one)
1 1kg pack of wood shavings
1 small bag of IAMS catfood.

What kinda Starter Kit is that? Sounds more like for hamster if it weren't for the catfood.... also, gliders should never take catfood as their staple! I'll post the picture I took later.
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damn it!! vmad.gif vmad.gif i jz hate pet shops nowadays!!tat day i went to brickfields,1of the pet shops there to buy crickets..i couldnt believe my eyes!!those snuggies there r living in terrible conditions!!!i faster faster took my crickets n lari from there b4 i faint n b4 my dydy takes a peep out n see the horrific sight... shakehead.gif


oh..if i dun put my dydy in a cage does it hav any negative effects?? unsure.gif
cz nowadays i jz leave her to roam in my room...i jz leave her water n food on the table n she'll go eat there..n the room is secured,no open windows n stufs...
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Hii I'm pre-ordering some Rep-Cal supplements from the US. And KP suggested that I pre-order the Green Label for sugar glider owners.

Just wondering if any of you are interested in the supplement or would know anyone else that would be. : )

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/638801

Maybe you could help me by pasting the link onto the sugar glider thread biggrin.gif

Thanks a lot. I'm trying to fill up the list so that LYN-ers could get their supplements ASAP.
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Want to express my thanks to the many who are willing to take in these supplements to share with us. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
Not only my gliders are in need, my tortoise as well..
For my torts, they will need added Vit D3 for sure as Vit D3 is vital for the absorption of calcium. As for the gliders, should i purchase the calcium with or without added Vit D3 in this case, anyone who knows pls clarify that for me ..
Much thx.

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QUOTE(spinel-sun @ Feb 28 2008, 09:13 PM)
oh mannn!!is she ok??if it happened to dydy,i would hav cried my eyes out...do update us on her recovery yar... wink.gif
damn it!! vmad.gif  vmad.gif i jz hate pet shops nowadays!!tat day i went to brickfields,1of the pet shops there to buy crickets..i couldnt believe my eyes!!those snuggies there r living in terrible conditions!!!i faster faster took my crickets n lari from there b4 i faint n b4 my dydy takes a peep out n see the horrific sight... shakehead.gif
oh..if i dun put my dydy in a cage does it hav any negative effects?? unsure.gif
cz nowadays i jz leave her to roam in my room...i jz leave her water n food on the table n she'll go eat there..n the room is secured,no open windows n stufs...
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Brickfields petshop.... I guess I know which one. Pity right? But that is how the petshops do their business.

About the free roaming thing. It is fine but it could become a habit where your glider will hate the cage. So don't always let her free roam. Give her some time in the cage. This is so that if one day you really really need her in the cage, dydy won't feel too stressed out being locked up.

QUOTE(silverwineus @ Feb 28 2008, 09:22 PM)
Want to express my thanks to the many who are willing to take in these supplements to share with us.  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
Not only my gliders are in need, my tortoise as well..
For my torts, they will need added Vit D3 for sure as Vit D3 is vital for the absorption of calcium. As for the gliders, should i purchase the calcium with or without added Vit D3 in this case, anyone who knows pls clarify that for me ..
Much thx.
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Well, gliders can do without the Vit D3. You can still use the one with Vit D3 in it but it is much better to get the one without Vit D3 for gliders. Well, precaution loh.... anyway, you only need to use a very very very small pinch for your gliders each day.
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QUOTE(spel'it @ Feb 27 2008, 03:00 PM)
*I remember Dr Jenny said, that a few cases, the joeys cannot even use their hind legs due to unsufficient nutrien. That kinda freaks me out so so much.*

Then at 9am i brought her to the vet and he gave me a pure calcium supplement to help reduce the 'bengkak'. She shud be ok in a few days.

I just need to restrict her movement a bit. Hope she'll recover then.

Anyway, thanks reanne for helping!
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Spel'it, can you share with us this vet you patronize? Dr. Jenny? Does she specialize in sugar glider treatment? Whreabout it is this vet?

I think spel'it, you are like me, should get hold of Rep-Cal.. and stuff for the gliders.. so to bid all the metabolic bone disease or whatever paralysis disease a good farewell..right? smile.gif

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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Feb 28 2008, 09:29 PM)
Brickfields petshop.... I guess I know which one. Pity right? But that is how the petshops do their business.

About the free roaming thing. It is fine but it could become a habit where your glider will hate the cage. So don't always let her free roam. Give her some time in the cage. This is so that if one day you really really need her in the cage, dydy won't feel too stressed out being locked up.
Well, gliders can do without the Vit D3. You can still use the one with Vit D3 in it but it is much better to get the one without Vit D3 for gliders. Well, precaution loh.... anyway, you only need to use a very very very small pinch for your gliders each day.
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u know??the cage was filthy with so many snuggies in it n they dun even hav a proper place to hide themselfs...they were all sleeping togather in the food bowls for goodness sake!! cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif i see dy i heartache!!i jz couldnt take it!! cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif


i wonder y nowadays at around 6am,dydy will come kacau me...i nicely sleeping she'll come n nibble my fingers n stand on my face n lick my ears...i couldnt sleep... rclxub.gif y ar??is it a symptoms of smth??last time she wont 1... unsure.gif
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Feb 28 2008, 09:29 PM)
Well, gliders can do without the Vit D3. You can still use the one with Vit D3 in it but it is much better to get the one without Vit D3 for gliders. Well, precaution loh.... anyway, you only need to use a very very very small pinch for your gliders each day.
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Hun, you mean these supplement like calcium and herptivite (multivitamin) must be given daily?
Then, i must have made a mistake, as i thought the interval of feeding these supplement is weekly.
Will giving it daily be too much? What you guys suggest?

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That's the same petshop I was talking bout earlier. The one in Brickfields with lots of birds. Today while I was there buying crickets, an indian customer came in and frightened the African Grey by waving his hand very fast in front of it. The poor bird fell from it's perch and was flapping trying to save itself from hitting the ground while hanging from the short chain. Then the worker scooped the bird back onto the perch, then proceeded to laugh and talk to the customer while petting the bird like a dog.

Poor bird, that African Grey is still a chick, and it's life is already so horrible.

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QUOTE(Reanne @ Feb 28 2008, 09:45 PM)
That's the same petshop I was talking bout earlier. The one in Brickfields with lots of birds. Today while I was there buying crickets, an indian customer came in and frightened the African Grey by waving his hand very fast in front of it. The poor bird fell from it's perch and was flapping trying to save itself from hitting the ground while hanging from the short chain. Then the worker scooped the bird back onto the perch, then proceeded to laugh and talk to the customer while petting the bird like a dog.

Poor bird, that African Grey is still a chick, and it's life is already so horrible.
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the one i went is opposite kfc 1,got 2 togather..izzit the same1?? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(spinel-sun @ Feb 28 2008, 09:37 PM)
u know??the cage was filthy with so many snuggies in it n they dun even hav a proper place to hide themselfs...they were all sleeping togather in the food bowls for goodness sake!! cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif i see dy i heartache!!i jz couldnt take it!! cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
i wonder y nowadays at around 6am,dydy will come kacau me...i nicely sleeping she'll come n nibble my fingers n stand on my face n lick my ears...i couldnt sleep... rclxub.gif y ar??is it a symptoms of smth??last time she wont 1... unsure.gif
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Sigh, petshop is like that. It was like the Petaling Street shop.... but they only have 3 gliders for sale there now so not as bad as when they had 200 for sale. Really pitiful....

dydy asking for attention loh.... coz she is a single glider, she got no friends to play with. Nocturnal, gliders are active around 3am or 4am onwards, so I guess dydy just wanna have some fun with you.

QUOTE(silverwineus @ Feb 28 2008, 09:40 PM)
Hun, you mean these supplement like calcium and herptivite (multivitamin) must be given daily?
Then, i must have made a mistake, as i thought the interval of feeding these supplement is weekly.
Will giving it daily be too much? What you guys suggest?
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Well, the herptivite you can feed once every 2 days.... but the calcium, we mostly feed everyday. But the amount is very little. First, you use your thumb and finger to take a pinch of that powder, then you take that amount and divide to half. The half amount is good for 2 gliders.

Some people mix the calcium into a glider mix....
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Right now, i'm in the midst of multi-tasking. One hand browsing the forums, on the other hand bonding with my cute and lovely critters..
What to do, always short of time...
Initially, i took the male MengZai out, then i took a fleeting look at the cage and saw LaiLai was looking so enviously..
Later, i let the male returned to the cage, and guess what..
As promptly as i opened the door, she just dashed out with patagium wide spreaded, and flown like a batman girl..
What concerned me was that she fell hard on the ground..OUCH!
I quickly grabbed her up and sayang her.. she's quite nakal and wants attention.

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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Feb 28 2008, 09:51 PM)
Sigh, petshop is like that. It was like the Petaling Street shop.... but they only have 3 gliders for sale there now so not as bad as when they had 200 for sale. Really pitiful....

dydy asking for attention loh.... coz she is a single glider, she got no friends to play with. Nocturnal, gliders are active around 3am or 4am onwards, so I guess dydy just wanna have some fun with you.
Well, the herptivite you can feed once every 2 days.... but the calcium, we mostly feed everyday. But the amount is very little. First, you use your thumb and finger to take a pinch of that powder, then you take that amount and divide to half. The half amount is good for 2 gliders.

Some people mix the calcium into a glider mix....
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hmm.gif should i buy her a companian??
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Feb 27 2008, 09:07 PM)
Hope Koochee gets better. As long you have brought her to the vet, then it is ok. My glider actually got her foot tangled before with string from an old pouch. It cut her blood circulation and I thought she would lose her leg. I quickly release the pressure by cutting the string. After a few minutes, the leg swelled up and she couldn't use that leg. It was lifeless and swollen. I restricted her movement, gave her more nutritious food and she recovered completely in 2 weeks.
QUOTE(White Palace @ Feb 28 2008, 02:09 PM)
Good to know she is still active and you can feel the grip! Do keep us updated, hope she will be able to use the leg to jump here & there again!
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QUOTE(silverwineus @ Feb 28 2008, 09:03 PM)
I'm moved by the loving care that you display towards Cheekoo. Quiet and comfort her by holding her close to your heart, feeding her with the right nourishment such as Lactose Free Milk and calcium suplement in midnight, trimming her nails as precaution. Seeking the right vet as soon morning breaks..
I'm touched by the compassion and love you shown for your lil critter.. exemplifying a good model to me.
Update us on her development of her leg and hope for speedy recovery soon.
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QUOTE(spinel-sun @ Feb 28 2008, 09:13 PM)
oh mannn!!is she ok??if it happened to dydy,i would hav cried my eyes out...do update us on her recovery yar... wink.gif
QUOTE(silverwineus @ Feb 28 2008, 09:36 PM)
Spel'it, can you share with us this vet you patronize? Dr. Jenny? Does she specialize in sugar glider treatment? Whreabout it is this vet?

I think spel'it, you are like me, should get hold of Rep-Cal.. and stuff for the gliders.. so to bid all the metabolic bone disease or whatever paralysis disease a good farewell..right?� smile.gif
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Just a lil update on Koochee. I separate her from Cheekoo for the time being. I put her in a box so that she cannot climb up n fell yet again. But doesnt mean she didnt try! But i put her near to Cheekoo cage so that both of them wont be lonely. They'd know that they have each other company's but cannot miggle, yet. Im just afraid they'd play n further injured Koochee's leg. Only let them sleep together on my bed during the day, which is the time they are not that active.

Btw, i brought her to a 2nd vet today. And he also confirmed that she only sprained the leg.
N, this evening her leg is a bit 'alive" not so "lembik" like yesteday. But still cannot used properly la. Vets said it wud take time. And she's pooping and peeing like normal now. yeah..gud sign! heheh...

Silverwineus, Dr jenny is the vet i met in KL lastime. She's a vet at Hands and Paws. And yes, she had had sum experience with gliders.
and she also happens to be frens with Reanne. And she recommended me to go there. So, she must be gud. icon_rolleyes.gif

Anyway, thanks everyone for ur concern. Pls pray for her immediate recovery. Thanks!!! notworthy.gif

QUOTE(silverwineus @ Feb 28 2008, 09:53 PM)
Right now, i'm in the midst of multi-tasking. One hand browsing the forums, on the other hand bonding with my cute and lovely critters..
What to do, always short of time...
Initially, i took the male MengZai out, then i took a fleeting look at the cage and saw LaiLai was looking so enviously..
Later, i let the male returned to the cage, and guess what..
As promptly as i opened the door, she just dashed out with patagium wide spreaded, and flown like a batman girl..
What concerned me was that she fell hard on the ground..OUCH!
I quickly grabbed her up and sayang her.. she's quite nakal and wants attention.
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Yeah, Cheekoo always fall flat on his belly. Worried also sumtimes, but he's a tough guy. drop, splattt...then run here n there. Hahaha...
But like u, ill pick him up n sayang2 him also la...talk baby talk with him. or sing hush lil baby. Hahahha... the same song i always dodoi them to sleep.


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QUOTE(rafiqos @ Feb 27 2008, 04:24 PM)
Sounds not too good. Hope it's something less serious than hind leg paralysis. Is she still active and moving about, taking food? Let's pray that this isn't permanent and for Koochee to recover speedily. She's a fighter.

Here's a link that may help you look for answers for the time being. LINK.
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I just read this article about paralysis, thank you for sharing this link.
It reveals how important is sufficient nutrients, calcium, vitamins in the gliders diet. This article should alert us..


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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Feb 28 2008, 09:51 PM)
Well, the herptivite you can feed once every 2 days.... but the calcium, we mostly feed everyday. But the amount is very little. First, you use your thumb and finger to take a pinch of that powder, then you take that amount and divide to half. The half amount is good for 2 gliders.

Some people mix the calcium into a glider mix....
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Thanks Hun!


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QUOTE(spinel-sun @ Feb 28 2008, 09:13 PM)
i jz hate pet shops nowadays!!tat day i went to brickfields,1of the pet shops there to buy crickets..i couldnt believe my eyes!!those snuggies there r living in terrible conditions!!!i faster faster took my crickets n lari from there b4 i faint n b4 my dydy takes a peep out n see the horrific sight... shakehead.gif
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Pet shops dun care bout the gliders or the pet's health...
all they care is the money generated,that's why u see all the animals treated badly.
Sigh...that's y we should only get pets from proper breeder,not from the shop.
I hate them too.

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QUOTE(spel'it @ Feb 28 2008, 10:14 PM)
Btw, i brought her to a 2nd vet today. And he also confirmed that she only sprained the leg.
N, this evening her leg is a bit 'alive" not so "lembik" like yesteday. But still cannot used properly la. Vets said it wud take time. And she's pooping and peeing like normal now. yeah..gud sign! heheh...

Silverwineus, Dr jenny is the vet i met in KL lastime. She's a vet at Hands and Paws. And yes, she had had sum experience with gliders.
and she also happens to be frens with Reanne. And she recommended me to go there. So, she must be gud.� icon_rolleyes.gif

Anyway, thanks everyone for ur concern. Pls pray for her immediate recovery. Thanks!!! notworthy.gif
Yeah, Cheekoo always fall flat on his belly. Worried also sumtimes, but he's a tough guy. drop, splattt...then run here n there. Hahaha...
But like u, ill pick him up n sayang2 him also la...talk baby talk with him. or sing hush lil baby. Hahahha... the same song i always dodoi them to sleep.
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A good sign, at least she is able to eliminate waste..yeapy!
Good effort to get a 2nd confirmation, you are very careful..
(OOPs, my suggie is barking now!! She's excited)
OK, back to the topic.
So the vet do not require any x-ray then.
Hands and Paws, if i'm not mistaken is near Aman Suria or Sunwaymas, PJ, right? I could be wrong. One day i should go and check that out, hmm hmm.gif
Wow..hushing your gliders to sleep by baby lullaby..?
Yeah, i used to sing tunes as well to jazz up the suggies, hehe..

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That's the same petshop I was talking bout earlier. The one in Brickfields with lots of birds. Today while I was there buying crickets, an indian customer came in and frightened the African Grey by waving his hand very fast in front of it. The poor bird fell from it's perch and was flapping trying to save itself from hitting the ground while hanging from the short chain. Then the worker scooped the bird back onto the perch, then proceeded to laugh and talk to the customer while petting the bird like a dog.

Poor bird, that African Grey is still a chick, and it's life is already so horrible.
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once i was interested to get a blue and gold macaw and it had this really awful tumour-like things sticking out of its abdomen. and you know what? he told me "it is like that one.. normal..."

what a conman!

then the last time i saw he was selling gliders that were way underaged and adults kept in hamster cages. you know how small that is right?! and the best part was they were RM550 each. rclxub.gif


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Wahhh, V5 already??

I think it moved faster than before sweat.gif

Aiyah, Hun cleaned the argument part, missed what was going on tongue.gif

Anyway, hopefully V5 will be a better V!!!

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i saw 1 pet shop at desa pandan...
sale SG in hamster cage, n just give sunflower seed (KUACI) for their food..
n 1 small conteiner for hiding...
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i saw 1 pet shop at desa pandan...
sale SG in hamster cage, n just give sunflower seed (KUACI) for their food..
n 1 small conteiner for hiding...
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desa pandan... hmm... whats the name of the pet shop?

sigh in malaysia that the common scenario of gliders in pet shops.... i cant take it too!
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QUOTE(malowie @ Feb 29 2008, 04:26 PM)
desa pandan... hmm... whats the name of the pet shop?

sigh in malaysia that the common scenario of gliders in pet shops.... i cant take it too!
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I've seen worse...I visited a breeder,small scale breeder in JB.
They were given cat food and small cage 1/2 feet x 1/2 feet x 1/2 feet.
Selling their gliders for 300,they joey is barely 5 weeks old.
They have been keeping them for 2 years...n the joeys are their 1st.
Given the condition,it's a miracle they produce joeys.
Sigh....sore sights.
Told them the condition isn't correct...give them some advise...but all they do is..
ask me to breed gliders n tame gliders for them.
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I've seen worse...I visited a breeder,small scale breeder in JB.
They were given cat food and small cage 1/2 feet x 1/2 feet x 1/2 feet.
Selling their gliders for 300,they joey is barely 5 weeks old.
They have been keeping them for 2 years...n the joeys are their 1st.
Given the condition,it's a miracle they produce joeys.
Sigh....sore sights.
Told them the condition isn't correct...give them some advise...but all they do is..
ask me to breed gliders n tame gliders for them.
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which part of JB? i went to jb last tiem but could not find any pet shops der.

what? 1/2 feet is like 15 cm by 15 cm by 15 cm you know. thats cruelty!

they give cat food cuz its very hihg in protein i guess just to put them into breeding 'mode'

yea.. sometimes i always wonder how can they produce joeys even in the most terrible conditions.

haha. you breed for them and tame for them lah. help them. hehe

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QUOTE(malowie @ Feb 29 2008, 05:34 PM)
haha. you breed for them and tame for them lah. help them. hehe

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Ha???
They only care bout earning money....
Wanted to give me 10 wild pairs to breed n tame.
Say provide me everything..i can even take their joeys if i want.
LOL!
I dun have that much time n attention for all of them.
They need love n care...so i rejected them.
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New pictures of Teddy...
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BTW, during this photo session, he tried to jumps onto my spectacles and accidentally scratched my face very near to my eyes. Hurts like hell... Huhu~

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Just a little something to share.

If anybody bought an underaged joey, please dont be panic.

Nurse them yourself! (Please dont plan to get the underaged ones.. huh!)

Suggested milks:

1) Pets Own Milk (buy from Pet Shack)

2) Enfalac Lactose Free (powder form - buy from pharmacy)

I haven't use the powder form before. But heard some people using it.

Correct me if any stated above are wrong. Just helping out to spread the info. Please add any suitable info to this if found uncomplete. I feed all my underaged joeys with Pets Own Milk along with Slurp and fresh fruits.


p/s - don't forget to vote on 8th March!
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Ha???
They only care bout earning money....
Wanted to give me 10 wild pairs to breed n tame.
Say provide me everything..i can even take their joeys if i want.
LOL!
I dun have that much time n attention for all of them.
They need love n care...so i rejected them.
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LOLlies....

i was just joking lah...

yeah they crave attention. how many suggies you have?

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New pictures of Teddy...
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BTW, during this photo session, he tried to jumps onto my spectacles and accidentally scratched my face very near to my eyes. Hurts like hell... Huhu~
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hes got a beautiful tail. i love him!

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QUOTE(malowie @ Feb 29 2008, 07:50 PM)
LOLlies....

i was just joking lah...

yeah they crave attention. how many suggies you have?

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I have 4 in total
2 of them just came OOP a week ago.
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I have 4 in total
2 of them just came OOP a week ago.
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what have you been feeding them?
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QUOTE(onezkatana @ Feb 29 2008, 04:14 PM)
i saw 1 pet shop at desa pandan...
sale SG in hamster cage, n just give sunflower seed (KUACI) for their food..
n 1 small conteiner for hiding...
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That's one of the normal mistakes... quite a number of petshops do not know that sugar gliders are marsupials. To them, they look like squirrels. This is the same with Sunway Interactive Zoo, Reanne and I worked there before and there was a pair of sugar gliders, eating nothing else but sunflower seeds, bread and the odd piece of orange and corn. After we worked there, the gliders had a better diet as we gave them better food.

QUOTE(jitshiong @ Feb 29 2008, 05:08 PM)
I've seen worse...I visited a breeder,small scale breeder in JB.
They were given cat food and small cage 1/2 feet x 1/2 feet x 1/2 feet.
Selling their gliders for 300,they joey is barely 5 weeks old.
They have been keeping them for 2 years...n the joeys are their 1st.
Given the condition,it's a miracle they produce joeys.
Sigh....sore sights.
Told them the condition isn't correct...give them some advise...but all they do is..
ask me to breed gliders n tame gliders for them.
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Most of the mass breeders are doing it here as well. I heard got breeders around Malacca, KL, Penang.... with over 300 to 500 gliders, all caged up in small bird cages with only apples and dogfood.

QUOTE(emino @ Feb 29 2008, 06:51 PM)
New pictures of Teddy...
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


BTW, during this photo session, he tried to jumps onto my spectacles and accidentally scratched my face very near to my eyes. Hurts like hell... Huhu~
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You gotta be careful everytime. Anyway, Teddy is showing better fur.

QUOTE(bonai @ Feb 29 2008, 07:02 PM)
Just a little something to share.

If anybody bought an underaged joey, please dont be panic.

Nurse them yourself! (Please dont plan to get the underaged ones.. huh!)

Suggested milks:

1) Pets Own Milk (buy from Pet Shack)

2) Enfalac Lactose Free (powder form - buy from pharmacy)

I haven't use the powder form before. But heard some people using it.

Correct me if any stated above are wrong. Just helping out to spread the info. Please add any suitable info to this if found uncomplete. I feed all my underaged joeys with Pets Own Milk along with Slurp and fresh fruits.
p/s - don't forget to vote on 8th March!
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From experience, Enfalac is not very good. Pets Own is better. Anyway, I will soon get hold of Wombaroo sugar glider joey milk from a fellow member here that have helped me to get it from Australia, so it would be a good backup for people with underage joeys.

Pets Own milk with GliderSLURP!(tm) works well together coz while Pets Own milk is nourishing on it's own, the protein and carbohydrate level is low, so GliderSLURP!(tm) helps to build up an underage joey. All this is through experience.

One thing also is we must always make sure underage joeys are kept in warm surroundings. When I care for underage joeys, I house them in a homemade incubator. This keeps them warm and it also increases their appetite and activeness.
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hi all, 1st, would like to thank those who contribute their time to feed noobs like me with lotsa info concerning sigar glider keeping...

2nd, im new in to keeping sugar gliders... been reading a lot about them here... and really appreciate all the quality info and advise..

here's a few pic of my glider, aged around 10weeks Out of pouch..
her name is Jo-eee by the way... i got it from Joan from PetShack..
thanks joan for all the unnecessary trouble in order to bring me my pet... or should it rephrase it to... my companion.. =)







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QUOTE(ggMing @ Feb 29 2008, 10:03 PM)
hi all, 1st, would like to thank those who contribute their time to feed noobs like me with lotsa info concerning sigar glider keeping...

2nd, im new in to keeping sugar gliders... been reading a lot about them here... and really appreciate all the quality info and advise..

here's a few pic of my glider, aged around 10weeks Out of pouch..
her name is Jo-eee by the way... i got it from Joan from PetShack..
thanks joan for all the unnecessary trouble in order to bring me my pet... or should it rephrase it to... my companion.. =)
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nice lil fella. welsome to sugar glider forum!
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her name is Jo-eee by the way... i got it from Joan from PetShack..
thanks joan for all the unnecessary trouble in order to bring me my pet... or should it rephrase it to... my companion.. =)
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You are very welcome. I am glad she has found a good home with you smile.gif

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Just a lil update on Koochee. I separate her from Cheekoo for the time being. I put her in a box so that she cannot climb up n fell yet again. But doesnt mean she didnt try! But i put her near to Cheekoo cage so that both of them wont be lonely. They'd know that they have each other company's but cannot miggle, yet. Im just afraid they'd play n further injured Koochee's leg. Only let them sleep together on my bed during the day, which is the time they are not that active.

Btw, i brought her to a 2nd vet today. And he also confirmed that she only sprained the leg.
N, this evening her leg is a bit 'alive" not so "lembik" like yesteday. But still cannot used properly la. Vets said it wud take time. And she's pooping and peeing like normal now. yeah..gud sign! heheh...

Silverwineus, Dr jenny is the vet i met in KL lastime. She's a vet at Hands and Paws. And yes, she had had sum experience with gliders.
and she also happens to be frens with Reanne. And she recommended me to go there. So, she must be gud.  icon_rolleyes.gif

Anyway, thanks everyone for ur concern. Pls pray for her immediate recovery. Thanks!!! notworthy.gif
Yeah, Cheekoo always fall flat on his belly. Worried also sumtimes, but he's a tough guy. drop, splattt...then run here n there. Hahaha...
But like u, ill pick him up n sayang2 him also la...talk baby talk with him. or sing hush lil baby. Hahahha... the same song i always dodoi them to sleep.
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*pray pray pray,koochee pls pls recover fast fast*


dydy too always like to jump then smtms will fall on her belly...*piak*then i'll faster carry her..but then she'll jump away agn.. doh.gif

QUOTE(onezkatana @ Feb 29 2008, 04:14 PM)
i saw 1 pet shop at desa pandan...
sale SG in hamster cage, n just give sunflower seed (KUACI) for their food..
n 1 small conteiner for hiding...
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vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif i cannot take it!!!
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wah.
v5 already
congrats!
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*update. This is regarding the supplements.

My supplier said that the price is going up next month so we're gonna have to order soon.

Only 6 tubs left. Help promote!

and the shipment might arrive earlier than 2 weeks : )

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wah.
v5 already
congrats!
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sgt fast.
had to korek2 where to find v5. rolleyes.gif

slushee must be traumatic at d moment. sad.gif

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sgt fast.
had to korek2 where to find v5.  rolleyes.gif

slushee must be traumatic at d moment.  sad.gif
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*update. This is regarding the supplements.

My supplier said that the price is going up next month so we're gonna have to order soon.

Only 6 tubs left. Help promote!

and the shipment might arrive earlier than 2 weeks : )
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may i know what supplements?

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may i know what supplements?
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/638801

quite good. buy from abesabraham. shes a good seller biggrin.gif


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smelly ... suggies .. huhuhu

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smelly ... suggies .. huhuhu
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smelly? well, not really. only the male smells when it marks.

unless its not fed a proper diet lah
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Gah. I think Teddy starts to musk. Strong smell from his cage. Been cleaning cage and tank (my gerbils) all day today!
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Gah. I think Teddy starts to musk. Strong smell from his cage. Been cleaning cage and tank (my gerbils) all day today!
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haha. stinks right? my male still does it too but not as bad as last time.
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not stinks... but a weird smell.
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QUOTE(wthb06 @ Mar 1 2008, 09:11 PM)
smelly ... suggies .. huhuhu
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shut-up la you ... guys ... presenting .. my fat niece ...always tell my suggies are smelly tikus terbang

QUOTE(malowie @ Mar 1 2008, 09:14 PM)
smelly? well, not really. only the male smells when it marks.

unless its not fed a proper diet lah
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yup .. they should smell nice.. smells fruityy .. tongue.gif
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smelly ... suggies .. huhuhu
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huh??smelly??*snif snif*
dydy nv smell 1 ge wor...if she does i will be d 1st to know cz she sleeps v me.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(spinel-sun @ Mar 1 2008, 09:12 PM)
huh??smelly??*snif snif*
dydy nv smell 1 ge wor...if she does i will be d 1st to know cz she sleeps v me.. tongue.gif
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hehe,it's a she ma...
females dun have strong odour
Most male do,they are teritorial animals

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not stinks... but a weird smell.
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oic... actually they have a few smells. one is flowery.. there are a few more.. but i know that when they mark it stinks !

QUOTE(spinel-sun @ Mar 1 2008, 09:12 PM)
huh??smelly??*snif snif*
dydy nv smell 1 ge wor...if she does i will be d 1st to know cz she sleeps v me.. tongue.gif
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female right ur suggie?

females dont really have odours. the only odour-emitting gland is located near the butt/anus whereas male has one at the throat, one at the forehead, and one at the anus... now, thats triple lol

QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 1 2008, 10:45 PM)
hehe,it's a she ma...
females dun have strong odour
Most male do,they are teritorial animals
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i like to smell slurpee when i kiss n cuddle him.
he smells like bantal busuk biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 1 2008, 10:45 PM)
hehe,it's a she ma...
females dun have strong odour
Most male do,they are teritorial animals
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hehe...she smells like me... rclxms.gif

QUOTE(malowie @ Mar 1 2008, 10:49 PM)
oic... actually they have a few smells. one is flowery.. there are a few more.. but i know that when they mark it stinks !
female right ur suggie?

females dont really have odours. the only odour-emitting gland is located near the butt/anus whereas male has one at the throat, one at the forehead, and one at the anus... now, thats triple lol
yups...
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Females also mark.... but you can barely notice. Males mark and musk more, that is why their smell is noticeable.


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congrats on V.5
wanna ask a Question.. my suggie some how like to pee whenever its on me or when i take him out of its cage... its been already a few occasion.... how do i train or wat to do to litter...and its for now its still making noise when i tried to take him out of its sleeping pouch

anyway how do u bond with suggie n training it to respond to their name.... and to giv treats ..


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Cheers

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QUOTE(cheekyd @ Mar 2 2008, 05:46 AM)

wanna ask a Question..  my suggie some how like to pee whenever its on me or when i take him out of its cage... its been already a few occasion.... how do i train or wat to do to litter...and its for now its still making noise when i tried to take him out of its sleeping pouch

anyway how do u bond with suggie  n training it to respond to their name.... and to giv treats ..
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The pee part...it's the way they show u love!!
lol!
can't do much bout that,they can't be potty trained.
The first thing they do when they wake up is to urinate n poo.
So it's better to let them hang around in their cage for the first few minutes.

As for the making noise part,it means more bonding.
When ur suggie is bonded to u, he won't be making anymore noises.
Till then,it's normal cos he dun fully trust u yet.
U can look for tips on bonding in the internet.
Lotsa information.
Will post some link for u later.
Cheers!!

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Update on Koochee's Leg
She's recovering! She can use her leg n flex a lil here n there. Not as strong yet but getting there. Im so so relief!!!!
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QUOTE(wthb06 @ Mar 1 2008, 08:11 PM)
smelly ... suggies .. huhuhu
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QUOTE(coldfusionpower @ Mar 1 2008, 08:28 PM)
shut-up la you ... guys ... presenting .. my fat niece ...always tell my suggies are smelly tikus terbang
You mean? wthb06 is ur niece?

My babies dun smell. Only their poo or pee only smells. So does everyone's..Hahahah...
They themselves, they smell lovely. Like to cuddle n cium2 them. wub.gif

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QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 2 2008, 08:56 AM)
Update on Koochee's Leg
She's recovering! She can use her leg n flex a lil here n there. Not as strong yet but getting there. Im so so relief!!!! thumbup.gif
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Good news, good to hear! Hope the leg gains strength and will be comfortable to use again given some more time.
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Update on Koochee's Leg
She's recovering! She can use her leg n flex a lil here n there. Not as strong yet but getting there. Im so so relief!!!!
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how strong are their poo & pee smell?
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how strong are their poo & pee smell?
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not even half as smelly as ours...
the thing is,we flush our pees n poos away...
theirs will be at the bottom of the cage till u throw them away
n some of it will be left on the metals bars..
that's y they smell.
that's for them to recognise their home too
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if by using breeder celect as bedding & we clean the cage daily..this may reduce the smelly?but will they recognise their home?
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QUOTE(cheekyd @ Mar 2 2008, 05:46 AM)
congrats on V.5
wanna ask a Question..  my suggie some how like to pee whenever its on me or when i take him out of its cage... its been already a few occasion.... how do i train or wat to do to litter...and its for now its still making noise when i tried to take him out of its sleeping pouch

anyway how do u bond with suggie  n training it to respond to their name.... and to giv treats ..
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lots of info bout handling glider n bonding
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Hello all.

I am just wondering on what are your thoughts on the bifurcated sugar glider penis...now don't get me wrong but I 'might' get one (it is not known if it will be a female or a male one) and I just need a guideline on the anatomy of the male sg. notice the word 'might'. lol. depending on the number of joeys that is being born and whether the breeders sister wants a sg or not.

Oh, and about the bald male scent glands... how bad do they stink. I know - different people, different opinions but once again I just needed a brief insight of it. Lol.

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if by using breeder celect as bedding & we clean the cage daily..this may reduce the smelly?but will they recognise their home?
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they will.
u won't be able to detect it woth ur nose but they can.

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Hello,

I've got two more green labels supplements available if any sugar glider owners are interested.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/638801
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Hello all.

I am just wondering on what are your thoughts on the bifurcated sugar glider penis...now don't get me wrong but I 'might' get one (it is not known if it will be a female or a male one) and I just need a guideline on  the anatomy of the male sg. notice the word 'might'. lol. depending on the number of joeys that is being born and whether the breeders sister wants a sg or not.

Oh, and about the bald male scent glands... how bad do they stink. I know - different people, different opinions but once again I just needed a brief insight of it. Lol.

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hello to you.

theres a lot of info on the first page.

males have testicles hanging whereas females do not.

they stink really badly if they are not bonded well to you but if you are bonded well with it, it should not mark or musk really badly. the best is neutering it but its costly.
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Last few days meet up my taiwanese supplier and he also a sg lover. After he viewed my cage and he ask me "ur sg very less jumping izzit?". I also got the same feel with him. He said his like to jump because of the "sg platform". Due to the wooden that we use to hang inside the cage very limited space for sg to prepare for jumping. He teached me DIY some "sg platform" to increase the chances for sg to jump. After i made some platform and put inside the cage i found that what he said is true and now my sg like to jump insite the cage compare to last time only climbing most of the time. Since today i m so free then i wont like to share with how to DIY the "SG Platform".
Please dun laugh for my poor workmanship

user posted image
Tools : Hammer, nail, pliers, piece of playwood, wire (chainlink fencing wire, select those with plastic cover one)


user posted image
I selected the staircase noosing timber piece due to durable usage. U can get it from hardware shop. About the sizes depend on ur own taste.


user posted image
Make 2 small hole by using hammer and nail at both edge of the timber piece.


user posted image
Pull the wire into it and left the overlength about 2cm.


user posted image
Bend the wire in to L shape.


user posted image
At the otherside measure the wire about 10cm and bend it. ( I poor and dun have ruler so i use hand to measure... )


user posted image
Make a bend point and left about 2cm then cut it.


user posted image
The side elevation is arounf like this. If there is sharp at the thumb area as the photo shown then must smoothen it with sand papar.


user posted image
Do the same thing at the other side. Then the final product is ready.


user posted image
Hand at outside of the cage and test it.



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thanks malowie.

yeah, I might go check on neutering them but I don't know if the vets from where I am can neuter them.

hehehe..yeah...I know that (obviously) the male ones have testicles hanging.lol. but I'm talking about their penis. Does it 'hang' there? or is it somewhere hidden. What I'm trying to say/ask is how 'weird?' does it look. They say it looks like worms and I'm not sure if I would be shocked by it. lol. I guess I'm not making any sense here. hehehe.

oh, has anyone here tried the HPW diet?
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If u r too free then can test the stablablity and weigth support. drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif


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Must wash it and let dry before use. This platform belong to my baby sg.


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This is my adult sg.


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Here is the place they looking for landing area before jump. I cant get those photo when there r jumping due to very fast in moment.


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If u r to free then make more platform for ur sg and let them play inside and u will feel the differents...

Thanks for viewing! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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Got la....
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QUOTE(souzaco @ Mar 2 2008, 06:34 PM)
thanks malowie.

yeah, I might go check on neutering them but I don't know if the vets from where I am can neuter them.

hehehe..yeah...I know that (obviously) the male ones have testicles hanging.lol. but I'm talking about their penis. Does it 'hang' there? or is it somewhere hidden. What I'm trying to say/ask is how 'weird?' does it look. They say it looks like worms and I'm not sure if I would be shocked by it. lol. I guess I'm not making any sense here. hehehe.

oh, has anyone here tried the HPW diet?
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HAHAH omg. yeah. why did i say that?

lol. okay. the penis does not hang out, it stays refracted, in the body most of the time. it only hangs out when it wants to mate, excited, scared, or approaching puberty. in other words, its sort of like an endo-penis. itll look a little weird. its bifurcated, meaning that it has two pointed ends or two shafts, something like a snake's tongue, and its red in colour. so yeah, dont get scared when you see it lol. its normal especially during maturity.

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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Mar 2 2008, 11:27 AM)
how strong are their poo & pee smell?
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Is not that strong.... the smell is something like the smell of hamster's pee.... well.... there is a difference but that is just to give you a little idea on the smell.

The poo, when it is wet, it is smelly but when it dries up, there is no smell.

QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Mar 2 2008, 11:41 AM)
if by using breeder celect as bedding & we clean the cage daily..this may reduce the smelly?but will they recognise their home?
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Well, cleaning daily is up to you. If you want to reduce smell, then change the bedding daily. If you use breeder Celect for this, very costly lah. Might as well you just use old newspaper so everyday clean and throw.

One product which I find very effective with smell is Litter Star. It is a silicon cat litter, and it can last for a week without much smell.... 1 bag is like Rm13 to Rm14.... and 1 bag can fill the normal RM100 cage tray about 2 to 3 times, depending on how much you put in.

QUOTE(phoonwa @ Mar 2 2008, 06:06 PM)
Last few days meet up my taiwanese supplier and he also a sg lover. After he viewed my cage and he ask me "ur sg very less jumping izzit?". I also got the same feel with him. He said his like to jump because of the "sg platform". Due to the wooden that we use to hang inside the cage very limited space for sg to prepare for jumping. He teached me DIY some "sg platform" to increase the chances for sg to jump. After i made some platform and put inside the cage i found that what he said is true and now my sg like to jump insite the cage compare to last time only climbing most of the time. Since today i m so free then i wont like to share with how to DIY the "SG Platform".
Please dun laugh for my poor workmanship

user posted image
Tools : Hammer, nail, pliers, piece of playwood, wire (chainlink fencing wire, select those with plastic cover one)
user posted image
I selected the staircase noosing timber piece due to durable usage. U can get it from hardware shop. About the sizes depend on ur own taste.
user posted image
Make 2 small hole by using hammer and nail at both edge of the timber piece.
user posted image
Pull the wire into it and left the overlength about 2cm.
user posted image
Bend the wire in to L shape.
user posted image
At the otherside measure the wire about 10cm and bend it. ( I poor and dun have ruler so i use hand to measure... )
user posted image
Make a bend point and left about 2cm then cut it.
user posted image
The side elevation is arounf like this. If there is sharp at the thumb area as the photo shown then must smoothen it with sand papar.
user posted image
Do the same thing at the other side. Then the final product is ready.
user posted image
Hand at outside of the cage and test it.



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Good stuff. Yes, gliders will only jump when they got a platform to get ready. Your cage is big, so it is ok. Some people got small cages, so we use alternatives. Mine likes to jump off their hammock and right now, I use bird ladders which I bought from Singapore as their platform and climbing tool. Heheheh... soon, my gliders will move on to their new cage, so I think I can make a platform like yours.

Simple job. Good that you provide step by step pictures.

QUOTE(souzaco @ Mar 2 2008, 06:34 PM)
thanks malowie.

yeah, I might go check on neutering them but I don't know if the vets from where I am can neuter them.

hehehe..yeah...I know that (obviously) the male ones have testicles hanging.lol. but I'm talking about their penis. Does it 'hang' there? or is it somewhere hidden. What I'm trying to say/ask is how 'weird?' does it look. They say it looks like worms and I'm not sure if I would be shocked by it. lol. I guess I'm not making any sense here. hehehe.

oh, has anyone here tried the HPW diet?
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Where are you from?

HPW.... High Protein Wombaroo diet? We do not have this here lah.....

Neuter, so far only 1 vet has been successful, Dr Yeoh.... another vet may soon be able to do neutering later but not now.

Anyway, it is not weird to have their testicles hanging, it is also not weird for their penis to sometimes stick out. It is nature, so nothing is weird and of course they are animals....


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QUOTE(phoonwa @ Mar 2 2008, 06:06 PM)
Last few days meet up my taiwanese supplier and he also a sg lover. After he viewed my cage and he ask me "ur sg very less jumping izzit?". I also got the same feel with him. He said his like to jump because of the "sg platform". Due to the wooden that we use to hang inside the cage very limited space for sg to prepare for jumping. He teached me DIY some "sg platform" to increase the chances for sg to jump. After i made some platform and put inside the cage i found that what he said is true and now my sg like to jump insite the cage compare to last time only climbing most of the time. Since today i m so free then i wont like to share with how to DIY the "SG Platform".
Please dun laugh for my poor workmanship

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Phoonwa..

It's incredible idea to make playthings for the gliders, such as ladder, stairs, tunnels...
Very stimulating to our creativity and i would love to make some of these jumping toys for them in future as well.. haha laugh.gif

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QUOTE(souzaco @ Mar 2 2008, 06:34 PM)
thanks malowie.

yeah, I might go check on neutering them but I don't know if the vets from where I am can neuter them.

hehehe..yeah...I know that (obviously) the male ones have testicles hanging.lol. but I'm talking about their penis. Does it 'hang' there? or is it somewhere hidden. What I'm trying to say/ask is how 'weird?' does it look. They say it looks like worms and I'm not sure if I would be shocked by it. lol. I guess I'm not making any sense here. hehehe.

oh, has anyone here tried the HPW diet?
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oh yeah i forgot. not many people here use the HPW diet. its not adapted to our weather.

get GliderSlurp from crazymouse_yyh

its good. its a diet similar to that of HPW, BML etc.

but, its good and suited for gliders in our weather.
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sorry but I don't know how to use those quote features.

I thought those formulas that are being posted suit the all country. hehehe. guess I was wrong...

-crazymouse, I'm from sabah. I'm not sure if the vet here can neuter a male sg...I doubt it though. hehehe

I am figuring out a way on making my own cage but I am having problems with the door part. I was never nor will I ever be good at DIY stuffs. lol. but I'll try. I thought of just buying a cage but so far I have only found dog/cats cages.


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QUOTE(souzaco @ Mar 2 2008, 01:49 PM)
Hello all.

I am just wondering on what are your thoughts on the bifurcated sugar glider penis...now don't get me wrong but I 'might' get one (it is not known if it will be a female or a male one) and I just need a guideline on� the anatomy of the male sg. notice the word 'might'. lol. depending on the number of joeys that is being born and whether the breeders sister wants a sg or not.

Oh, and about the bald male scent glands... how bad do they stink. I know - different people, different opinions but once again I just needed a brief insight of it. Lol.

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This link should provide u with a better idea.
http://bmxglider.tripod.com/tmalesexorgan3.jpg
It doesn't really show the 'snake tongue' clearly though
I really looks like the cacing...tiny ones

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QUOTE(souzaco @ Mar 2 2008, 10:19 PM)
sorry but I don't know how to use those quote features.

I thought those formulas that are being posted suit the all country. hehehe. guess I was wrong...

-crazymouse, I'm from sabah. I'm not sure if the vet here can neuter a male sg...I doubt it though. hehehe

I am figuring out a way on making my own cage but I am having problems with the door part. I was never nor will I ever be good at DIY stuffs. lol. but I'll try. I thought of just buying a cage but so far I have only found dog/cats cages.
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Just click reply to the person you wanna reply or click quote and add reply.

Ohhh... Sabah.... I think it is hard to get gliders in Sabah as well rite?

Actually, I wouldn't say suit the weather... more like suit our country. Coz many of the items or ingredients are not found locally, so like my GliderSLURP, it is adapted to suit our needs. Whatever is on the internet, not all is correct or suitable. Like say Honey.... too much honey is bad. Imagine those BML or Leadbeater's diet, they use 150ml to 200ml for honey.... to the same amount of water! I think that is just too sweet.... also, its sugar, which is not really healthy. So you gotta think about the diet. Anyway, you can PM me for more info.

You should go and get bird cages, not dog cages. If no choice, then get a tall cat cage and you use wire mesh to cover it.

Actually, if you keep males only without any females around, then there won't be much musking or other territorial behaviour.... but if you are still not sure, then go get a female tongue.gif
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It's been some time i have not visited Ikano Pet Safari.
Today i have the privilege to do so.

Then i stopped over the sugar glider display glass vivarium, about 1 x 1.5 x 2 feet, roughly estimated.
Currently there is just a single underaged joey on display.
The forehead of the joey is injured.

I have the privilege to talk to the shop assistant and i think it's a good conversation to create awareness on the care of joeys.
The shop assistant is quite polite to me even though i may be quite straightforward about the lamps and the vivarium, which is designed for reptiles, and not sugar glider.

If more people excercise their boldness and rights to speak the truth in love and politely, then more awareness will be created and they may start to see the severity of the condition and complaints made by others and make a change.

It's good that currently the shop assistants there have more awareness now, because subsequently they have received many similar complaints peviously. Thanks to these people that cared, which have sowed seeds to them.

But in the case of selling underaged joeys, the breeders are the main concern as they are the ones who supply.
There should be a ruling enforced, that selling underaged joeys are prohibited.

If this circumstance should persist, then a firm action should be taken by reporting this cruelty to the animal welfare department for investigation. Lets observe how it goes from now. smile.gif


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QUOTE(silverwineus @ Mar 2 2008, 10:39 PM)
It's been some time i have not visited Ikano Pet Safari.
Today i have the privilege to do so.

Then i stopped over the sugar glider display glass vivarium, about 1 x 1.5 x 2 feet, roughly estimated.
Currently there is just a single underaged joey on display.
The forehead of the joey is injured.

I have the privilege to talk to the shop assistant and i think it's a good conversation to create awareness on the care of joeys.
The shop assistant is quite polite to me even though i may be quite straightforward about the lamps and the vivarium, which is designed for reptiles, and not sugar glider.

If more people excercise their boldness and rights to speak the truth in love and politely, then more awareness will be created and they may start to see the severity of the condition and complaints made by others and make a change.

It's good that currently the shop assistants there have more awareness now, because subsequently they have received many similar complaints peviously. Thanks to these people that cared, which have sowed seeds to them.

But in the case of selling underaged joeys, the breeders are the main concern as they are the ones who supply.
There should be a ruling enforced, that selling underaged joeys are prohibited.

If this circumstance should persist, then a firm action should be taken by reporting this cruelty to the animal welfare department for investigation. Lets observe how it goes from now.  smile.gif
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I went to a petshop in Seremban to sell my hamsters yesterday...
I took one of my gliders along with me,Twinkle.
Very tame female...
So,the shop owner saw my glider and ask if it's tame,what did i feed her,how come she dun crab and tons of other question.
After telling him bout how i care for my gliders n how to train them,he revealed to me that his boss (he has a bigger boss, ths shop in Seremban is just a branch) is actually keeping 3000-5000 pairs of imported gliders to be bred.
Wild untamed gliders imported illegally.
He even told me that they r gonna ship the gliders into Singapore n that there's a certain time where they'll be able to do it.
It's just sick to hear that they have 5000 gilders in captive.
Imagine the space required...I think they just keep them in small cages...
Sigh...can't do anything.
I can only listen...
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 2 2008, 10:52 PM)
I went to a petshop in Seremban to sell my hamsters yesterday...
I took one of my gliders along with me,Twinkle.
Very tame female...
So,the shop owner saw my glider and ask if it's tame,what did i feed her,how come she dun crab and tons of other question.
After telling him bout how i care for my gliders n how to train them,he revealed to me that his boss (he has a bigger boss, ths shop in Seremban is just a branch) is actually keeping 3000-5000 pairs of imported gliders to be bred.
Wild untamed gliders imported illegally.
He even told me that they r gonna ship the gliders into Singapore n that there's a certain time where they'll be able to do it.
It's just sick to hear that they have 5000 gilders in captive.
Imagine the space required...I think they just keep them in small cages...
Sigh...can't do anything.
I can only listen...
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3000 to 5000 sg...
maybe he lied u one... if there is easy to get such many sg then the price wont be so expensive...
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I thought sugar gliders weren't allowed in Singapore? It sounds so cruel...
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QUOTE(phoonwa @ Mar 2 2008, 11:29 PM)
3000 to 5000 sg...
maybe he lied u one... if there is easy to get such many sg then the price wont be so expensive...
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Maybe he did,i dunno.
Gliders aren't hard to get...there's plenty in Indonesia
Only the joeys are expensive.
Those who caught wild gliders are selling them cheap...
Wild gliders are being sold at RM60 each.
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They are as many as pest in Aussie in the wild. nod.gif
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QUOTE(suiteng @ Mar 3 2008, 09:25 AM)
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That's very true, my friend in Oz told me that too.
But since it's native there,it's illegal to keep them as pets
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That's very true, my friend in Oz told me that too.
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Pity them. They wudnt know the sweetness of having suggies as companion. They must regard them as tupai like us here. Just pests that eat all the fruits we grow.
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QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 3 2008, 10:29 AM)
Pity them. They wudnt know the sweetness of having suggies as companion. They must regard them as tupai like us here. Just pests that eat all the fruits we grow.
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Haha,they love them.
But not allowed to keep them as pets.
I like our tupai.
It's also illegal to keep our tupai.
Protected species...
I tried catching them...they r too fast
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 3 2008, 10:31 AM)
Haha,they love them.
But not allowed to keep them as pets.
I like our tupai.
It's also illegal to keep our tupai.
Protected species...
I tried catching them...they r too fast
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hahaha...at my current home, there is this one tupai...damn fast one...
always come into the house to curik makan the fruits that we put on the kitchen counter.
very cute. my housemate 1st thought it was my joeys, but it was big compared to them.
anyways, it has become part of our household also la....always come in our house, but very shy shy one with us....
When hear or see us coming, it will climb out the window.


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Good news, good to hear! Hope the leg gains strength and will be comfortable to use again given some more time.
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All the best to Koochee!!
Get well soon
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Thanks rafiqos, jitshiong. She's recovering now! rclxm9.gif


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QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 3 2008, 10:35 AM)
hahaha...at my current home, there is this one tupai...damn fast one...
always come into the house to curik makan the fruits that we put on the kitchen counter.
very cute. my housemate 1st thought it was my joeys, but it was big compared to them.
anyways, it has become part of our household also la....always come in our house, but very shy shy one with us....
When hear or see us coming, it will climb out the window.
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There's alot of them here in UTM.
U know,the whole forest is here.
Definitely can see a lot of different types of animals here.
Sadly,most of the time i see the squirrels being squashed by cars.
Flat on the road...
Still can online?
At work or home?

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im at work...yeah...still can online here...hehhe
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QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 3 2008, 11:15 AM)
im at work...yeah...still can online here...hehhe
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haha,okie.
Bring ur gliders to work?

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haha,okie.
Bring ur gliders to work?
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definitely!! been away for just a while also, i'd miss them already....

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QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 3 2008, 11:19 AM)
definitely!! been away for just a whilealso, i'd miss them already....
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hehe,great.
I take them everywhere too.
But now the female is tending the joeys so she's a bit crabbier lately.
How's Koochee doing?
Post some pics ya?
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 3 2008, 11:22 AM)
hehe,great.
I take them everywhere too.
But now the female is tending the joeys so she's a bit crabbier lately.
How's Koochee doing?
Post some pics ya?
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She's kinda restless. She wants to be active, climb here, jump there, but i guess her leg is still not as strong. But she's moving around. N i also dun want her to over'exercise' her leg yet. Just want it to be able to recover properly 1st. I'll post pictures when i get hold of a camera.


Added on March 3, 2008, 11:42 amBut one thing, she's not eating much. The vet i said its normal coz she's sick. Given time she'd recover n she wud gain her appetite back...

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hi all... have a problem with my joey...

i tried bonding with her in my washroom..
which is an enclosed space with nothing in it...

i put her there and went to a smoke...
when i return, of course, in a new surrounding, she is cranky...
when i went inside, my joey actually charge towards me..

is this normal, she has crab at me before but neer charge...
this time, looks like she is real pissed...
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 3 2008, 03:44 PM)
hi all... have a problem with my joey...

i tried bonding with her in my washroom..
which is an enclosed space with nothing in it...

i put her there and went to a smoke...
when i return, of course, in a new surrounding, she is cranky...
when i went inside, my joey actually charge towards me..

is this normal, she has crab at me before but neer charge...
this time, looks like she is real pissed...
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If she is not fully bonded with you, or if she's really scared or feel threaten, i think it wud charge. N mite want to grab n bite u as well.
Just try to calm her down and stroke her, n cuddle her until she's settled down. Play more with her.

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thanks for the advise spel'it...

i tried playing with her every night...
at least, be there and spend time with her...

but after 1/2 hr, she would want to go and sleep already...
anyway, i also feel threaten and scared now...
and i definitely can't charge at her...

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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 3 2008, 03:54 PM)
thanks for the advise spel'it...

i tried playing with her every night...
at least, be there and spend time with her...

but after 1/2 hr, she would want to go and sleep already...
anyway, i also feel threaten and scared now...
and i definitely can't charge at her...
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u shudnt let the crabbing n charging n biting gets to u. u shud let her charge or even bite u. just to prove u meant no harm to her. that's how u can gain her trust n showing her that she cant always gets her way by biting.
anyway gudluck k?
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 3 2008, 03:44 PM)
hi all... have a problem with my joey...

i tried bonding with her in my washroom..
which is an enclosed space with nothing in it...

i put her there and went to a smoke...
when i return, of course, in a new surrounding, she is cranky...
when i went inside, my joey actually charge towards me..

is this normal, she has crab at me before but neer charge...
this time, looks like she is real pissed...
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Do u bond with her in the morning when she sleeps?
Bonding during the day is important as well.
They'll get used to ur smell and won't be so scared of u when they see u at night.
I carry them everyday,at least a few hours in the day.

If they lunge at u,means it's scared.
Lunging hoping that will scare u n u won't go near her.
U must let her bite or lunge at u.
If u retreat,she will learn that lunging will make u go away.
That way,she's training u.
It should be the other way round.

Dun worry,it takes time to bond with ur glider.
It's normal for them to bite n crab at first.
Just be patient n in time,she'll learn to trust u

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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 3 2008, 04:05 PM)
Do u bond with her in the morning when she sleeps?
Bonding during the day is important as well.
They'll get used to ur smell and won't be so scared of u when they see u at night.
I carry them everyday,at least a few hours in the day.

If they lunge at u,means it's scared.
Lunging hoping that will scare u n u won't go near him.
U must let him bite or lunge at u.
If u retreat,he will learn that lunging will make u go away.
That way,he's training u.
It should be the other way round.

Dun worry,it takes time to bond with ur glider.
It's normal for them to bite n crab at first.
Just be patient n in time,he'll learn to trust u
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yeah i did, she is with me all the time except when im sleeping...

oh man... now i got to let her bite me...
how i wish i did not put her in the washrooom....lol... but i'll overcome the fear..

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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 3 2008, 04:14 PM)
yeah i did, she is with me all the time except when im sleeping...

oh man... now i got to let her bite me...
how i wish i did not put her in the washrooom....lol... but i'll overcome the fear..
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Dun worry, joey's bites dun hurt that much. I think. At least mine, their bites never draw blood. Tho sumtimes can see the marks, but only to that extend. And that happened when i handfeed them when the fruits are all gone.
Dun worry, ur hardwork wud paid off once she's bonded to u. smile.gif
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 3 2008, 04:14 PM)
yeah i did, she is with me all the time except when im sleeping...

oh man... now i got to let her bite me...
how i wish i did not put her in the washrooom....lol... but i'll overcome the fear..
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hehehe,how long have u been keeping her??
Do u put ur smelly clothes over her cage?
Play with her more often,let her crawl on u.
Let her sleep in ur hand.
That way she'll learn to recognise ur smell n will trust u more.

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yeah... thanks for the advise... would update about her behaviour tonight...
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 3 2008, 04:25 PM)
yeah... thanks for the advise... would update about her behaviour tonight...
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Sure thing!
GOod luck
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 3 2008, 04:19 PM)
hehehe,how long have u been keeping her??
Do u put ur smelly clothes over her cage?
Play with her more often,let her crawl on u.
Let her sleep in ur hand.
That way she'll learn to recognise ur smell n will trust u more.
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been keeping her for a week only...
yes i do put my shirt on her cage...
i play with her whenever i can... i try to play with her all the time...
she does not like to crawl on me.. she would rather venture herself around than to stay on me..
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 3 2008, 04:55 PM)
been keeping her for a week only...
yes i do put my shirt on her cage...
i play with her whenever i can... i try to play with her all the time...
she does not like to crawl on me.. she would rather venture herself around than to stay on me..
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give her time. its only just a week. play with her n bond with her during day time. dats the best time for u n her to get acquiantance. becoz that's her sleeping time n ur day time. let her be close to u, n be able to recognize ur smell n voice ur heartbeat. let her sleep in ur hand n etc. watch her during her playtime. put her on ur shoulder, then she'll have to crawl down to get off u. later she'll try to venture onto ur body herself. play summore with her...
Gudluck!!!
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QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 3 2008, 05:00 PM)
give her time. its only just a week. play with her n bond with her during day time. dats the best time for u n her to get acquiantance. becoz that's her sleeping time n ur day time. let her be close to u, n be able to recognize ur smell n voice ur heartbeat. let her sleep in ur hand n etc. watch her during her playtime. put her on ur shoulder, then she'll have to crawl down to get off u. later she'll try to venture onto ur body herself. play summore with her...
Gudluck!!!
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thanks everyone... i will try and do my best... but letting her bite me ah... errr.. i'll try la... blush.gif
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 3 2008, 05:07 PM)
thanks everyone... i will try and do my best... but letting her bite me ah... errr.. i'll try la... blush.gif
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It's a joey right?
How old?
3 months??
Won't hurt la...
The adults will draw blood.
Hehe,joeys bite won't hurt.
Or maybe my skin thicker
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 3 2008, 06:37 PM)
It's a joey right?
How old?
3 months??
Won't hurt la...
The adults will draw blood.
Hehe,joeys bite won't hurt.
Or maybe my skin thicker
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haha. well, i have never got bitten by a baby joey before but an adult yes.
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haha. well, i have never got bitten by a baby joey before but an adult yes.
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do you want to be the chosen one for my joey???
all you need to do is to be her sand bag.. eheheh... tongue.gif
until she knows that biting won't do any good.. rolleyes.gif

anyway, thanks for the suggestions, she is awake now, let me see how things go... icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 2 2008, 10:29 PM)
Just click reply to the person you wanna reply or click quote and add reply.

Ohhh... Sabah.... I think it is hard to get gliders in Sabah as well rite?

Actually, I wouldn't say suit the weather... more like suit our country. Coz many of the items or ingredients are not found locally, so like my GliderSLURP, it is adapted to suit our needs. Whatever is on the internet, not all is correct or suitable. Like say Honey.... too much honey is bad. Imagine those BML or Leadbeater's diet, they use 150ml to 200ml for honey.... to the same amount of water! I think that is just too sweet.... also, its sugar, which is not really healthy. So you gotta think about the diet. Anyway, you can PM me for more info.

You should go and get bird cages, not dog cages. If no choice, then get a tall cat cage and you use wire mesh to cover it.

Actually, if you keep males only without any females around, then there won't be much musking or other territorial behaviour.... but if you are still not sure, then go get a female  tongue.gif
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Yep, it's hard getting them here but I found out this guy who used to live in kl but now he's back here and his sg is pregnant...but if his sister wants it, he will give her one so if there's only one joey being born then she gets it. (if she wants it).. hehehe. If there's two being born and his sister doesn't want it then he will sell them as a pair and I just can't afford having two straight away. The only way for me to get one is if 1 baby is being born and his sister doesn't want it or 2 babies born and his sister wants it - 1 for her and 1 for me. lol...lots of uncertainties here but just in case I do get one (hopefully), I better get prepared. x)

Crazymouse...yeah, you're making sense. tongue.gif...you're right notworthy.gif and you got PM...well yeah kinda, I'll write to you after posting this. hehehe

oh and I went to that BMX sg site and seen 'it' hehehe. I guess I could live with that. hehehe. Just like dogs right?

thank you all for the very kind treatment. I'll have to go look for bird cages now...


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^^ Yayyy..brought my suggie to the hotel with me. ^^ Let her roam free in the hotel room, kept jumping and exploring everywhere, even hide in my bags, had to end up tugging all my bags to be able to find her at times. Jumping everywhere that she refused to go back to her pouch or the portable cage I got for her, only when she's tired then she'll go back willingly.

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QUOTE(kikiz @ Mar 3 2008, 08:49 PM)
^^ Yayyy..brought my suggie to the hotel with me. ^^ Let her roam free in the hotel room, kept jumping and exploring everywhere, even hide in my bags, had to end up tugging all my bags to be able to find her at times. Jumping everywhere that she refused to go back to her pouch or the portable cage I got for her, only when she's tired then she'll go back willingly.
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Looks like she's roaming happily.
Better keep an eye on her.
Later she get tangled somewhere.
We wouldn't want that to happen right.
Hehehe,be careful


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oh and I went to that BMX sg site and seen 'it' hehehe. I guess I could live with that. hehehe. Just like dogs right?

thank you all for the very kind treatment. I'll have to go look for bird cages now...
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Haha,u probably won't even see it.
Only appears when he's excited, mating ond few other occasions.
U r welcomed.

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hi...

once again thanx for all the useful info...
wenever i think i'm doing sumthing wrong wif my suggies all i need is to read tis tread & learn frm all u suggie gurus tongue.gif

theres still 1 thing i wud like to noe... whom shall i contact to get the calcium supp? i read it but cant remember where/which page? i do feed them plain low fat yogurt mixed wif lots of fresh fruits wenever i can & hv the time but my work sumtimes takes me away for more than 12hrs so the calcium powder will be much easier for my not so rajin in the kitchen bf....

oh ya & at wat age do suggies start barking? my qiqi is bout 3mths now & has started barking everyday for the past 3days at 6am. I've only had her for 10days....

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QUOTE(saramic @ Mar 3 2008, 10:14 PM)
hi...

once again thanx for all the useful info...
wenever i think i'm doing sumthing wrong wif my suggies all i need is to read tis tread & learn frm all u suggie gurus  tongue.gif

theres still 1 thing i wud like to noe... whom shall i contact to get the calcium supp? i read it but cant remember where/which page? i do feed them plain low fat yogurt mixed wif lots of fresh fruits wenever i can & hv the time but my work sumtimes takes me away for more than 12hrs so the calcium powder will be much easier for my not so rajin in the kitchen bf....

oh ya & at wat age do suggies start barking? my qiqi is bout 3mths now & has started barking everyday for the past 3days at 6am. I've only had her for 10days....
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by 3 months old they r able to bark de
it's their call for attention...just to wake u up
lol!
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can i join in?
i just bought a pair of suggies yesterday smile.gif
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Hun n KP...need help on this

i bought a new cage already...hehe..d biggest u can find in pet safari

and they gave me 1 free sugar glider holistic food...kinda like pellet

can i feed it to my gliders?

here are d ingredients...

1. KANGAROO MEAT
2.RICE
3.SORGHUM
4.FLAXSEED OIL
5.LINOLEIC ACID
6.DRIED APPLE
7.VITAMIN AND MINERALS
8.VITAMIN B12
9.VITAMIN A
10.VITAMIN D
11.VITAMIN E
12.IODINE
13.SELENIUM
14.ZINC
15.COPPER
16.IRON
17.MANGANESE
18.CHLORIDE
19.CALCIUM
20.PHOSPHORUS
21.SODIUM
22.MAGNESIUM

Guaranteed Analysis
CRUDE PROTEIN 25% Min, CRUDE FIBRE 1.5% Max, Crude Fat 12% min,
Moisture 10% max..Product of Australia

i will upload d pixxie of d thing soon...can i feed it to my gliders?

got 1 more holistic food, but i didnt take that wan...that wan got

turkey, chicken, rice n some more i cant recall....

can mix it with d vitamins i bought from KP or Slurp from Hun?
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wow there's so many things to read just 1 day i miss... n its moving fast =D

anyway good to hear alot of new suggie owner here and having a great time bonding....

i had a hard time bonding with mine too... just got him for less then 3 weeks and hes bout 5 months old i guess..hes always barking/crab at me n charge at me when i put my hand near the pouch or anywhere near him to carry him around...but now i manage to calm it after multiple of lil bites n i know it was testing me...

well my suggie now some how knows that my hand only offer him food and safety and it doesnt bark/crab so much now except if i go n kacau its sleeping time....

anyway i need some assistant.... my suggie nails are somehow getting longer and its kinda giving problem when he tries to move around.... does any1 who stays in PJ " Kelana Jaya/Damansara " area who luvs to meet up and show me how it should be done....

or maybe we can do a small yum cha meetup over this weekend or so...

Cheers and many thanks to those that contribute their sharing n experience with their suggies and Good luck to those having some hard time as i am also hanging on =D

Cheers , Peace

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QUOTE(saramic @ Mar 3 2008, 10:14 PM)
hi...

once again thanx for all the useful info...
wenever i think i'm doing sumthing wrong wif my suggies all i need is to read tis tread & learn frm all u suggie gurus� tongue.gif

theres still 1 thing i wud like to noe... whom shall i contact to get the calcium supp? i read it but cant remember where/which page? i do feed them plain low fat yogurt mixed wif lots of fresh fruits wenever i can & hv the time but my work sumtimes takes me away for more than 12hrs so the calcium powder will be much easier for my not so rajin in the kitchen bf....

oh ya & at wat age do suggies start barking? my qiqi is bout 3mths now & has started barking everyday for the past 3days at 6am. I've only had her for 10days....
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LOL!
I actually heard my 11days OOP joeys bark this morning when i came close to the cage.
So they'll be making all sorts of sound soon.


Added on March 4, 2008, 8:00 am
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Hello everybody,
can i join in?
i just bought a pair of suggies yesterday smile.gif
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Of coursse!!
U r most welcomed!
Post some pics of ur glider!!
How old are they??
WElcome again


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anyway i need some assistant.... my suggie nails are somehow getting longer and its kinda giving problem when he tries to move around.... does any1 who stays in PJ " Kelana Jaya/Damansara " area who luvs to meet up and show me how it should be done....

or maybe we can do a small yum cha meetup over this weekend or so...

Cheers and many thanks to those that contribute their sharing n experience with their suggies and Good luck to those having some hard time as i am also hanging on =D

Cheers , Peace
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U can actually trim their nails.
The very end part of it.
Cover them with a piece of cloth,then take their palm out.
Just cut the sharp tip of their nails.
That should do it.
Make sure u dun cut too deep as there's nerves there.
They'll cry n bleed.


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QUOTE(cheekyd @ Mar 4 2008, 06:10 AM)
anyway i need some assistant.... my suggie nails are somehow getting longer and its kinda giving problem when he tries to move around.... does any1 who stays in PJ " Kelana Jaya/Damansara " area who luvs to meet up and show me how it should be done....

or maybe we can do a small yum cha meetup over this weekend or so...

Cheers and many thanks to those that contribute their sharing n experience with their suggies and Good luck to those having some hard time as i am also hanging on =D

Cheers , Peace
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I would love to meet up with suggie owners...but i can't
Too far away...I'm in JB,PG and Seremban
Not in KL but i'll try and attend the gathering on april though.
HEhe

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QUOTE(buttercup07 @ Mar 4 2008, 02:32 AM)
Hun n KP...need help on this

i bought a new cage already...hehe..d biggest u can find in pet safari

and they gave me 1 free sugar glider holistic food...kinda like pellet

can i feed it to my gliders?

here are d ingredients...

1. KANGAROO MEAT
2.RICE
3.SORGHUM
4.FLAXSEED OIL
5.LINOLEIC ACID
6.DRIED APPLE
7.VITAMIN AND MINERALS
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i will upload d pixxie of d thing soon...can i feed it to my gliders?

got 1 more holistic food, but i didnt take that wan...that wan got

turkey, chicken, rice n some more i cant recall....

can mix it with d vitamins i bought from KP or Slurp from Hun?
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It may be holistic but it is not recognized by other forums or overseas glider keeper. Have you tried smelling it? Smells weird and bad too.... You can try, but you shouldn't use it as a staple. Only as occasional supplement.

Pet Safari gets weird food for gliders. Some are not even edible also. Like there was one food for sale, tak halal. Then got complaints most gliders do not eat it coz of the weird smell.

It is better to feed them fruits and supplement mix like GliderSLURP, is more natural.



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OMG. Kanggaroo meat... Its like eating a distance relatives for glider. Hehe. Both are marsupials.
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QUOTE(emino @ Mar 4 2008, 11:10 AM)
OMG. Kanggaroo meat... Its like eating a distance relatives for glider. Hehe. Both are marsupials.
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LOL!
That's one way to look at it.
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QUOTE(souzaco @ Mar 2 2008, 01:49 PM)
Hello all.

I am just wondering on what are your thoughts on the bifurcated sugar glider penis...now don't get me wrong but I 'might' get one (it is not known if it will be a female or a male one) and I just need a guideline on  the anatomy of the male sg. notice the word 'might'. lol. depending on the number of joeys that is being born and whether the breeders sister wants a sg or not.

Oh, and about the bald male scent glands... how bad do they stink. I know - different people, different opinions but once again I just needed a brief insight of it. Lol.

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QUOTE(emino @ Mar 1 2008, 08:15 PM)
Gah. I think Teddy starts to musk. Strong smell from his cage.
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Haha, entering adulthood...

I need to neuter Micah soon... You up to it?

QUOTE(cheekyd @ Mar 2 2008, 05:46 AM)
wanna ask a Question..  my suggie some how like to pee whenever its on me or when i take him out of its cage... its been already a few occasion.... how do i train or wat to do to litter...and its for now its still making noise when i tried to take him out of its sleeping pouch

anyway how do u bond with suggie  n training it to respond to their name.... and to giv treats ..
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Suggies cannot be toilet/litter train. They'll go whenever they like, wherever they like.

If they are not comfortable or fully bonded with you yet, ofcourse they will make noise still.

It's very rare for suggies to actually respond to their name, they're not like dogs. Even some that does, won't do it 100% of the time.

Everything needs a lot of patience and persistance when dealing with gliders.

QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Mar 2 2008, 11:41 AM)
if by using breeder celect as bedding & we clean the cage daily..this may reduce the smelly?but will they recognise their home?
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Yes, they will still recognize their home/place as their nose is more sensitive than humans.

QUOTE(souzaco @ Mar 2 2008, 01:49 PM)
Hello all.

I am just wondering on what are your thoughts on the bifurcated sugar glider penis...now don't get me wrong but I 'might' get one (it is not known if it will be a female or a male one) and I just need a guideline on  the anatomy of the male sg. notice the word 'might'. lol. depending on the number of joeys that is being born and whether the breeders sister wants a sg or not.

Oh, and about the bald male scent glands... how bad do they stink. I know - different people, different opinions but once again I just needed a brief insight of it. Lol.

ciao~
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My thoughts on gliders bifurcated penis? NONE! Why should that even be a question in the first place?

Every animal has different types and shapes of anatomy but that does not interfere at all with the whole being of the animal itself... Each and every one is unique.

Male glider penis is always retracted and can only be seen occasionally, but there is no reason for one to be disgusted over it.

A neutered male will be less flashy and smelly.

QUOTE(phoonwa @ Mar 2 2008, 06:06 PM)
[size=2]Last few days meet up my taiwanese supplier and he also a sg lover. After he viewed my cage and he ask me "ur sg very less jumping izzit?". I also got the same feel with him. He said his like to jump because of the "sg platform". Due to the wooden that we use to hang inside the cage very limited space for sg to prepare for jumping. He teached me DIY some "sg platform" to increase the chances for sg to jump. After i made some platform and put inside the cage i found that what he said is true and now my sg like to jump insite the cage compare to last time only climbing most of the time. Since today i m so free then i wont like to share with how to DIY the "SG Platform".
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Nice platform idea. But it would be better if you can find another material than wood because wood absorbs pee very fast and will smell badly over time. Not even washing or hang drying it will do much difference to reduce the smell.

QUOTE(souzaco @ Mar 2 2008, 06:34 PM)
What I'm trying to say/ask is how 'weird?' does it look. They say it looks like worms and I'm not sure if I would be shocked by it. lol. I guess I'm not making any sense here. hehehe.
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Yes, it doesn't make sense and as replied in the above, it's not something one should be shocked of or find it weird at all.

QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 2 2008, 10:52 PM)
After telling him bout how i care for my gliders n how to train them,he revealed to me that his boss (he has a bigger boss, ths shop in Seremban is just a branch) is actually keeping 3000-5000 pairs of imported gliders to be bred.
Wild untamed gliders imported illegally.
He even told me that they r gonna ship the gliders into Singapore n that there's a certain time where they'll be able to do it.
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3,000-5,000 pairs sounds a little impossible even for a mass breeder because breeding gliders are not like a chicken egg factory.

So far I have never heard of any gliders being shipped into S'pore in large amounts because it is not easy and ILLEGAL to do so.

Tho there are small time smugglers who does it, but if being caught, you will be slapped with a huge fine and jail sentence. You wouldn't want to be in the S'pore jail if you know what goes around there.

S'pore rules are very tight, no S'porean really dare to break any except for some foolish Malaysians who think they can and end up being caught and humiliating their own country.

QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 3 2008, 08:02 AM)
Gliders aren't hard to get...there's plenty in Indonesia
Only the joeys are expensive.
Those who caught wild gliders are selling them cheap...
Wild gliders are being sold at RM60 each.
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Yes, they're plenty in Indonesia and the wild caught being brought in here are those from Indonesia.

It's very sad that our government isn't really looking into these matter and taking the necessary measures to actually do some controlling.

QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 3 2008, 10:29 AM)
Pity them. They wudnt know the sweetness of having suggies as companion. They must regard them as tupai like us here. Just pests that eat all the fruits we grow.
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Suggies aren't as much as a pest to Aussies as Possums.

Possums go through the garbage and makes a who lotta mess.

Although they are not able to keep suggies as pets, they are aware of the intelligence that suggies posses. It's just a matter of them respecting the nature and creature.

It's good to have some illegalities and needing of license to keep certain pets, or else the whole world would end up hurting more creatures than actually saving them.

QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 3 2008, 03:44 PM)
hi all... have a problem with my joey...

i tried bonding with her in my washroom..
which is an enclosed space with nothing in it...

i put her there and went to a smoke...
when i return, of course, in a new surrounding, she is cranky...
when i went inside, my joey actually charge towards me..

is this normal, she has crab at me before but neer charge...
this time, looks like she is real pissed...
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 3 2008, 04:55 PM)
been keeping her for a week only...
yes i do put my shirt on her cage...
i play with her whenever i can... i try to play with her all the time...
she does not like to crawl on me.. she would rather venture herself around than to stay on me..
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Your joey is very new to you.

1 week is merely nothing to achieve lar.

Bonding needs more than 2 weeks, sometimes even months.

You should start with smaller enclosure like a tent or by just carrying her around while she is sleeping. Until she is really comfortable with you only you can start handling and such.

Everything needs patience and persistance when dealing with gliders.

QUOTE(saramic @ Mar 3 2008, 10:14 PM)
theres still 1 thing i wud like to noe... whom shall i contact to get the calcium supp? i read it but cant remember where/which page? i do feed them plain low fat yogurt mixed wif lots of fresh fruits wenever i can & hv the time but my work sumtimes takes me away for more than 12hrs so the calcium powder will be much easier for my not so rajin in the kitchen bf....

oh ya & at wat age do suggies start barking? my qiqi is bout 3mths now & has started barking everyday for the past 3days at 6am. I've only had her for 10days....
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Calcium supplement is not a substitude to fresh fruits. Fresh fruits is a must daily.

Joeys can bark as early as few weeks Out Of Pouch. So at 3 months, it's not something to be surprised of.

They will bark to get your attention or to tell you something is not right.

QUOTE(buttercup07 @ Mar 4 2008, 02:32 AM)
Hun n KP...need help on this

i bought a new cage already...hehe..d biggest u can find in pet safari

and they gave me 1 free sugar glider holistic food...kinda like pellet

can i feed it to my gliders?

here are d ingredients...

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Moisture 10% max..Product of Australia

i will upload d pixxie of d thing soon...can i feed it to my gliders?
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Is the brand Quicko?

I wouldn't recommend any glider food bought from Pet Safari, found no actual recommendation about it even in the overseas. I have no idea where did they even get the info about that food...

You can try if you want to, but like I told you before, some suggies wont even like it.

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yeah, I guess in a way I was wrong for asking that question in the first place.

To those who are and were offended by my questions, from the bottom of my heart I am truly sorry. I didn't mean no harm and didn't mean to be disrespectful or anything.

If things go well, I might get them pouches from you KP. lol. that is when suggiestuf reopens

peace!
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Yay~ Benben play water yesterday rclxm9.gif

P/S : In case you dunno, my glider have a strange obsession of swimming in water blink.gif Have to dry him up after that mellow.gif
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 4 2008, 10:58 AM)
It is better to feed them fruits and supplement mix like GliderSLURP, is more natural.
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is this the one i got from petShack? my glider loves it.. eat it the day i offer it to her..
how does barking sound like...

my glider only crabs,,

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QUOTE(souzaco @ Mar 4 2008, 04:30 PM)
yeah, I guess in a way I was wrong for asking that question in the first place.

To those who are and were offended by my questions, from the bottom of my heart I am truly sorry. I didn't mean no harm and didn't mean to be disrespectful or anything.

If things go well, I might get them pouches from you KP. lol. that is when suggiestuf reopens

peace!
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None taken.

It's a forum, everything is open and some just like to answer a bit more serious like me tongue.gif

Haha.

QUOTE(suiteng @ Mar 4 2008, 04:33 PM)
Yay~ Benben play water yesterday rclxm9.gif

P/S : In case you dunno, my glider have a strange obsession of swimming in water blink.gif Have to dry him up after that mellow.gif
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I wish mine loves water too blink.gif

QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 4 2008, 04:56 PM)
how does barking sound like...
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Like a little puppy yipping or a human's weird sneezing...

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Celery, Sawi n Choy Sum should give just like that or need to boil first?

btw..anybody looking for cage..i have 1...can pm me...d rm100 at pet safari

i dont need it anymore..
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QUOTE(buttercup07 @ Mar 4 2008, 05:12 PM)
Celery, Sawi n Choy Sum should give just like that or need to boil first?
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Give like that or blend all till puree.

No need to cook or boil it, fresh is better smile.gif

My suggies love celery! Next day whole room smell of celery after their night party blink.gif

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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 4 2008, 04:56 PM)
how does barking sound like...

my glider only crabs,,
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go to this link
http://www.glidercentral.net/sounds/audio/bark.wav
sounds like puppy barking
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way to go suggie thread! =)
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aiyo.... so cute la the glider.... nice one hackerz...


Added on March 4, 2008, 9:33 pmanyway, guys, my glider seem to love sleeping a lot...
do you guys wake you glider up and play with them or you wait till they are awake?

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QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ Mar 4 2008, 03:20 PM)
Haha, entering adulthood...

I need to neuter Micah soon... You up to it?
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QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ Mar 4 2008, 03:20 PM)
Haha, entering adulthood...

I need to neuter Micah soon... You up to it?
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Very interested. But need to see in a few weeks since was overbudget sikit hehe. Waiting for my credit card to arrive to ease my pain sad.gif.
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i gutload my meal worms with the oat by Quaker..

is it good ? it stated there 100% oat and it stated there "membantu

mengurangkan cholestrol..something liddat lah...ok o not ?
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err..wat's tat?? unsure.gif

sorry,i dun hav a male snuggie..nv seen their penis b4... sweat.gif

QUOTE(suiteng @ Mar 4 2008, 04:33 PM)
Yay~ Benben play water yesterday rclxm9.gif

P/S : In case you dunno, my glider have a strange obsession of swimming in water blink.gif Have to dry him up after that mellow.gif
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err...is it safe to let them play v water?? unsure.gif

how oo?? unsure.gif
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suddenly cheekoo bark n bark at my workplace....all eyes at me... blush.gif
nvr had him done dat before.... doh.gif


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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 4 2008, 02:33 PM)
this is a clearer picture
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wow..n eye opener....always read that they got 2, dun know its like dat one...
thanks jitshiong!

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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 4 2008, 09:20 PM)
anyway, guys, my glider seem to love sleeping a lot...
do you guys wake you glider up and play with them or you wait till they are awake?
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It's veryyy normal for gliders to sleep a lot during the day. They are creatures of the night anyway...

If you stay up till 12 or 2 am, put them in a dark area, you'll be able to cathc how active they are during this time.

During the day it is okay to wake them up for short playtime but do make sure your glider is already comfortable with you and knows you as their safest tree. Or else doing so will only cause more stress to them.

QUOTE(ayiesz @ Mar 5 2008, 01:40 AM)
details please tongue.gif when / where. i'm not KL local so i need map tongue.gif
the boys are entering adulthood as well
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When... Soon...

Where... Still deciding either Dr. Yeoh or Dr. Jenny...

Haha, map? Google earth! tongue.gif

QUOTE(emino @ Mar 5 2008, 01:53 AM)
Very interested. But need to see in a few weeks since was overbudget sikit hehe. Waiting for my credit card to arrive to ease my pain sad.gif.
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Haha, I'm on a tight budget too, but I don't wanna risk him being sexually active soon and ter-breed or something...

After finalizing the place I let you know kay smile.gif

QUOTE(buttercup07 @ Mar 5 2008, 01:54 AM)
i gutload my meal worms with the oat by Quaker..

is it good ? it stated there 100% oat and it stated there "membantu

mengurangkan cholestrol..something liddat lah...ok o not ?
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It should be fine as long as the oat is not fed to the glider...

Nanti if I get hold of some oats, I'll take pix of the pack and post it here smile.gif

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what a way to lepak after a meal...
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hey you!!!! tis is my spot....
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food does taste better here.....
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QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ Mar 5 2008, 09:46 AM)
It's veryyy normal for gliders to sleep a lot during the day. They are creatures of the night anyway...

If you stay up till 12 or 2 am, put them in a dark area, you'll be able to cathc how active they are during this time.

During the day it is okay to wake them up for short playtime but do make sure your glider is already comfortable with you and knows you as their safest tree. Or else doing so will only cause more stress to them.
When... Soon...

Where... Still deciding either Dr. Yeoh or Dr. Jenny...

Haha, map? Google earth! tongue.gif
Haha, I'm on a tight budget too, but I don't wanna risk him being sexually active soon and ter-breed or something...

After finalizing the place I let you know kay smile.gif
It should be fine as long as the oat is not fed to the glider...

Nanti if I get hold of some oats, I'll take pix of the pack and post it here smile.gif

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QUOTE(spinel-sun @ Mar 5 2008, 02:05 AM)
err..wat's tat?? unsure.gif

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Hehe,that the bifurcated penis.


Added on March 5, 2008, 11:47 am
QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 5 2008, 09:16 AM)

Added on March 5, 2008, 9:21 am
wow..n eye opener....always read that they got 2, dun know its like dat one...
thanks jitshiong!
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U r welcomed! biggrin.gif

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this is my new SG nod.gif

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they was so naughty,they bite me until my fingers bleed. shocking.gif
taking time to tame it.
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QUOTE(colnagos @ Mar 5 2008, 12:22 PM)
this is my new SG  nod.gif 

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they was so naughty,they bite me until my fingers bleed. shocking.gif
taking time to tame it.
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That's a wild glider.
Did u know that before u make the purchase??
It's take a longer time n much more courage to tame them.
Not impossible.
How much n where did u get it??
The cage is kinda small for them.
They need a bigger space to play.
Hehe,just sharing some info.
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 5 2008, 12:33 PM)
That's a wild glider.
Did u know that before u make the purchase??
It's take a longer time n much more courage to tame them.
Not impossible.
How much n where did u get it??
The cage is kinda small for them.
They need a bigger space to play.
Hehe,just sharing some info.
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wah..u already know its a wild glider just by looking at it...wah... notworthy.gif
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Baby glider or joeys dont bite til draw blood.
Only wild adult does.
Looking at the colour and nails also u can tell..
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QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 5 2008, 12:37 PM)
wah..u already know its a wild glider just by looking at it...wah... notworthy.gif
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Hahaha,when u r obsessed with something it's not impossible.
LOL!!
U can differentiate them with their colour n their fur.
Those from the wild are mostly tainted.
They dun look too heatlhy too.
The fur is a bit too thin


Added on March 5, 2008, 12:43 pm
QUOTE(bonai @ Mar 5 2008, 12:38 PM)
Baby glider or joeys dont bite til draw blood.
Only wild adult does.
Looking at the colour and nails also u can tell..
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Adult gliders n wild adults are totally different.
This is from the jungle,not captive breed.
Very wild.
U can't feed them mealworm with ur hand,they'll attact the worm together with ur hand.

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QUOTE(bonai @ Mar 5 2008, 12:38 PM)
Baby glider or joeys dont bite til draw blood.
Only wild adult does.
Looking at the colour and nails also u can tell..
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 5 2008, 12:40 PM)
Hahaha,when u r obsessed with something it's not impossible.
LOL!!
U can differentiate them with their colour n their fur.
Those from the wild are mostly tainted.
They dun look too heatlhy too.
The fur is a bit too thin
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I havent seen much of gliders before except these two of mine n also those sold at the petshops. Mostly joeys.
So cant tell much. Hehehe.... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 5 2008, 12:44 PM)
I havent seen much of gliders before except these two of mine n also those sold at the petshops. Mostly joeys.
So cant tell much. Hehehe....  sweat.gif
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Hahaha,i've seen those gliders smuggled in before.
If the public see those gliders,they'll go AGGRRHH!!!!
SCARY!!!!
hahaha,very vicious and wild.
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i gutload my meal worms with the oat by Quaker..

is it good ? it stated there 100% oat and it stated there "membantu

mengurangkan cholestrol..something liddat lah...ok o not ?
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Try not to give only oats... Actually, oats is like a bedding only and also filler. You should be gutloading with veggies and dry catfood or dogfood.

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That cage for those 2 adults is soooo smalll...... For the wellbeing the gliders, do get a bigger cage.

Captive bred gliders, be it adults or joeys will never bite till draw blood. Only wild and terrified adult gliders would coz they are so freaking scared by us. Bonding with adults is possible but takes loads of time and patience. Never expect a wild adult to be tame and wanna stay on your shoulder in a few days or a week. It could take months to gain a proper bond and trust.

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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 5 2008, 12:56 PM)
That cage for those 2 adults is soooo smalll...... For the wellbeing the gliders, do get a bigger cage.

Captive bred gliders, be it adults or joeys will never bite till draw blood. Only wild and terrified adult gliders would coz they are so freaking scared by us. Bonding with adults is possible but takes loads of time and patience. Never expect a wild adult to be tame and wanna stay on your shoulder in a few days or a week. It could take months to gain a proper bond and trust.
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Hehe,just be patient with them.
Dun give up,it will take a longer time.
I know,i've tamed them before.
Took me 2-3 months of proper bonding to tame them.
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yes they are wild, but according to the seller they are 3@ 4 month old.

they can be rubbed and massage but cannot being lift up they`ll bite me.The female one didnt bite me that hard just a nip ..
but the male one will bit me very hard . cry.gif

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QUOTE(colnagos @ Mar 5 2008, 12:22 PM)
this is my new SG  nod.gif 
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they was so naughty,they bite me until my fingers bleed. shocking.gif
taking time to tame it.
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Came across one of these guys sometime back. He was a wild caught, from Papuan regions I was told. The interesting thing about them is the natural stripes (or the lack of) when compared to pet suggies we get to see so often. The copper-tone fur is another interesting characteristic. It's not due to prolonged exposure to their pee, like those normally found in the pet shops. The fur of the guy I saw was also rather thin, just like yours. Not really sure if that is a bad sign, or just another characteristic that sets apart a wild sugar glider from a common one.

Only thing for sure is that it's not impossible to tame wild sugar gliders. But it will take a special kind of patience and commitment like Hun said. Just be careful so as not to freak the poor thing out too much. Keep it comfy, feed it well and hope for the best!

P/s: Does anyone in here know if they're actually from different subspecies? Tried Google, not much can be found.
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There are 7 sub-species of sugar gliders, 3 are in Aussie...I know there is a sub species which some of us may have.... comes from the Biak Islands in Indonesia.... but I can't find pictures or details about them.
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err..wat's tat?? unsure.gif

sorry,i dun hav a male snuggie..nv seen their penis b4... sweat.gif
err...is it safe to let them play v water?? unsure.gif

how oo?? unsure.gif
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That is glider gugu. tongue.gif

Actually it's not safe for them to play with water, but mine is a bit weird coz he love water from the first day he was brought home. That's why you see benben's fur is more fair than sasa's fur.

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this is my new SG  nod.gif 

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they was so naughty,they bite me until my fingers bleed. shocking.gif
taking time to tame it.
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Seems like wild glider. I think you may need a bigger cage for them. It's too small.

QUOTE(colnagos @ Mar 5 2008, 01:31 PM)
yes they are wild, but according to the seller they are 3@ 4 month old.

they can be rubbed and massage but cannot being lift up they`ll bite me.The female one didnt bite me that hard just a nip ..
but the male one will bit me very hard .  cry.gif

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Where you bought them from?
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QUOTE(suiteng @ Mar 5 2008, 02:05 PM)
That is glider gugu. tongue.gif

Actually it's not safe for them to play with water, but mine is a bit weird coz he love water from the first day he was brought home. That's why you see benben's fur is more fair than sasa's fur.
Seems like wild glider. I think you may need a bigger cage for them. It's too small.
Where you bought them from?
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i bought them from mudah.com.my for RM400 per pair.
I`m planning to buy abigger cage,but dont know when.definitely till i have full budget blink.gif

The male is very wild ,but the female kind a cool and ready to be touched,the pictures taken when they are fall asleep and not active .Any suggestion?
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QUOTE(colnagos @ Mar 5 2008, 01:31 PM)
yes they are wild, but according to the seller they are 3@ 4 month old.

they can be rubbed and massage but cannot being lift up they`ll bite me.The female one didnt bite me that hard just a nip ..
but the male one will bit me very hard .  cry.gif

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Can't really tell how old they are.
It's not too bad considering they'll let u rubbed them.

Normally males are more aggressive compared to females so it's pretty normal.
U just need to deal with them patiently.
It seriously takes time.
Carry them during the day with u.
Let them get used to ur smell.

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Har? Mudah.com.... that guy claims his gliders young joeys.... well, somehow joeys don't turn brown so fast when 4 months old, they will still be grey.... they could be older than the age he told you. Well, I'm just speaking from observation coz I saw those wild ones in Petaling Street before, they were like yours....

Anyway, the only way you can train them to bond with you is to get a bonding pouch and carry them around with you. Please read the 1st page on the basic things you would need.
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thanks
i bought them from mudah.com.my for RM400 per pair.
I`m planning to buy abigger cage,but dont know when.definitely till i have full budget� blink.gif

The male is very wild ,but the female kind a cool� and ready to be touched,the pictures taken when they are fall asleep and not active .Any suggestion?
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DAmn!!that's expensive!
Anyway,what's over is over.

Do more research n read more bout bonding with gliders.


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Har? Mudah.com.... that guy claims his gliders young joeys.... well, somehow joeys don't turn brown so fast when 4 months old, they will still be grey.... they could be older than the age he told you. Well, I'm just speaking from observation coz I saw those wild ones in Petaling Street before, they were like yours....

Anyway, the only way you can train them to bond with you is to get a bonding pouch and carry them around with you. Please read the 1st page on the basic things you would need.
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Normally the joeys will be slightly tainted due to the fact that they nurse from their mom n always stick their head into the mom's pouch.
But it's just a slight taint on their shoulder.
Urs is a heavy taint.
It will take years to shed off the brownish colour.

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mod, feel free to delete it, cos this is not my pic, but just wondering if all suggie in the pic are wild.. just wan to learn hw to spot wild ones, so i/we all dun get cheated in the future wink.gif
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QUOTE(siokjinlim @ Mar 5 2008, 02:37 PM)
mod, feel free to delete it, cos this is not my pic, but just wondering if all suggie in the pic are wild.. just wan to learn hw to spot wild ones, so i/we all dun get cheated in the future  wink.gif
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Definitely wild!
Look at the colour
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 5 2008, 02:24 PM)
DAmn!!that's expensive!
Anyway,what's over is over.

Do more research n read more bout bonding with gliders.


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Normally the joeys will be slightly tainted due to the fact that they nurse from their mom n always stick their head into the mom's pouch.
But it's just a slight taint on their shoulder.
Urs is a heavy taint.
It will take years to shed off the brownish colour.
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lose some moral to keep them cry.gif

hey,is it possible it was from another species?
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RM200 seems reasonable.
Now glider only few stocks so it's ok la..
Wild caught could get like RM120 from petaling street.

Money is not the matter once you love it.

there's no rule saying you can't buy adults or wild caughts.
So feel happy to have have one.

It's just the taming and bonding process that takes time.
I bet you would be much more brave once their tame rather than those who bought tamed gliders.

Btw, this guy knows that he needs to do research and thats what he's doing now (looks like that to me).
that's a good start!

EDITED: I can show you some wild adults thats not even brown in colour. And I can show you my friend's joey brown in colour. It's called true cinnamon as he said. Only a true cinnamon reveals it colour since young. So cant really tell by just looking at the colour. Anyway, in above pictures if kept like that is totally wild!

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Latest pics of Koochee n Cheekoo.
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This is Koochee. Look how thin she has become.  sad.gif
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Great job!
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lose some moral  to keep them cry.gif

hey,is it possible it was from another species?
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Please dun be discourage. Jitshiong had done it before. U can ask for his help or anybody else in this forum.
But it will need ur persistance and patience from ur side.

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huh??
is it tue??
i also buy them from the guy at mudah.com.my..
will get it tommorow...
he said they are around 5 month..
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QUOTE(colnagos @ Mar 5 2008, 02:53 PM)
lose some moral  to keep them cry.gif

hey,is it possible it was from another species?
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Dun think it's from another species.
DUn worry, it only takes time.
Can be tamed,i tamed mine!
Lol!
Will be glad to offer help
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huh??
is it tue??
i also buy them from the guy at mudah.com.my..
will get it tommorow...
he said they are around 5 month..
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i think the wild caught one should have lot lesser price than than that.......maybe half of that unsure.gif


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Dun think it's from another species.
DUn worry, it only takes time.
Can be tamed,i tamed mine!
Lol!
Will be glad to offer help
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Please dun be discourage. Jitshiong had done it before. U can ask for his help or anybody else in this forum.
But it will need ur persistance and patience from ur side.


thanks ,i would let you know biggrin.gif




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QUOTE(colnagos @ Mar 5 2008, 03:10 PM)
i think the wild caught one should have lot lesser price than than that.......maybe half of that  unsure.gif
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how to do now???
i already confirm to take it tomorrow... cry.gif
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QUOTE(colnagos @ Mar 5 2008, 03:10 PM)
i think the wild caught one should have lot lesser price than than that.......maybe half of that  unsure.gif


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thanks ,i would let you know  biggrin.gif
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Maybe u wanna add me at msn.
Then u can keep me updated.
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how to do now???
i already confirm to take it tomorrow... cry.gif
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Have u seen the gliders u r gonna buy?
Their housing n condition?
What are the consequences if u dun keep ur promise?

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how to do now???
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QUOTE(siokjinlim @ Mar 5 2008, 02:37 PM)
mod, feel free to delete it, cos this is not my pic, but just wondering if all suggie in the pic are wild.. just wan to learn hw to spot wild ones, so i/we all dun get cheated in the future  wink.gif
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Actually, this pic was in that mudah.com's ad... but it is not original pic. This pic originally from adpost, by a supplier who was selling Rm60 for males.

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lose some moral  to keep them cry.gif

hey,is it possible it was from another species?
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Don't lose hope lah. You already bought them, you need to do research.

Did you buy on impulse? I mean.... you also haven't get ready their cage.... normally the cage should be ready before we get our gliders.

All you need is patience and bonding time. JitShiong did it, KP did it, Reanne also did it.... it took them months to tame their adults.... and I think KP got her Iggy when he was a crabby bitey glider when he was about 5 or 6 months old. Reanne's 1st glider was a very adult untame male, that became quite tame. It's all time, patience and commitment lah.

Right now you already know that they are not as young as you had expected... so.... just deal with it, you already have them. Read up on bonding and start bonding with your gliders. It's never too late.

Adults can get RM100 to Rm120 in KL.... if in Malacca or Penang.... I think RM60 also got....

QUOTE(bonai @ Mar 5 2008, 02:54 PM)
RM200 seems reasonable.
Now glider only few stocks so it's ok la..
Wild caught could get like RM120 from petaling street.

Money is not the matter once you love it.

there's no rule saying you can't buy adults or wild caughts.
So feel happy to have have one.

It's just the taming and bonding process that takes time.
I bet you would be much more brave once their tame rather than those who bought tamed gliders.

Btw, this guy knows that he needs to do research and thats what he's doing now (looks like that to me).
that's a good start!

EDITED: I can show you some wild adults thats not even brown in colour. And I can show you my friend's joey brown in colour. It's called true cinnamon as he said. Only a true cinnamon reveals it colour since young. So cant really tell by just looking at the colour. Anyway, in above pictures if kept like that is totally wild!
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Petaling Street out of stock already. There are 2 juvi gliders and 1 very adorable slightly underage joey... A pity coz shop keeper couldn't tell the sex. The small joey is a female.

Cinnamon rare to find here. I think if we wanna know our glider's true colours, is either we keep since young or we shave out gliders bald and see what fur grows hahahaha.... jk lah here.

Anyway, when it comes to pets, money is not really an issue if we love them. I spend all my money on my pets. My parents kept nagging at me, asking "Are you gonna be a slave to your pets forever?".... I think I would coz I'm extremely happy with them.
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Maybe u wanna add me at msn.
Then u can keep me updated.
Will assist u as much as i can.
Dun worry...I'm sure u can tame them.


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Did the seller give you a caresheet? In his ad.... he said all the joeys are 2 to 3 months old.... why so different?

I also got caresheet but I gotta email out coz still in the progress hahahah...
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 5 2008, 03:30 PM)
Actually, this pic was in that mudah.com's ad... but it is not original pic. This pic originally from adpost, by a supplier who was selling Rm60 for males.
Don't lose hope lah. You already bought them, you need to do research.

Did you buy on impulse? I mean.... you also haven't get ready their cage.... normally the cage should be ready before we get our gliders.

All you need is patience and bonding time. JitShiong did it, KP did it, Reanne also did it.... it took them months to tame their adults.... and I think KP got her Iggy when he was a crabby bitey glider when he was about 5 or 6 months old. Reanne's 1st glider was a very adult untame male, that became quite tame. It's all time, patience and commitment lah.

Right now you already know that they are not as young as you had expected... so.... just deal with it, you already have them. Read up on bonding and start bonding with your gliders. It's never too late.

Adults can get RM100 to Rm120 in KL.... if in Malacca or Penang.... I think RM60 also got....
Petaling Street out of stock already. There are 2 juvi gliders and 1 very adorable slightly underage joey... A pity coz shop keeper couldn't tell the sex. The small joey is a female.

Cinnamon rare to find here. I think if we wanna know our glider's true colours, is either we keep since young or we shave out gliders bald and see what fur grows hahahaha.... jk lah here.

Anyway, when it comes to pets, money is not really an issue if we love them. I spend all my money on my pets. My parents kept nagging at me, asking "Are you gonna be a slave to your pets forever?".... I think I would coz I'm extremely happy with them.
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"Are you gonna be a slave to your pets forever?".... I think I would coz I'm extremely happy with them.
This part is extremely sweet. smile.gif
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 5 2008, 03:30 PM)
Actually, this pic was in that mudah.com's ad... but it is not original pic. This pic originally from adpost, by a supplier who was selling Rm60 for males.
Don't lose hope lah. You already bought them, you need to do research.

Did you buy on impulse? I mean.... you also haven't get ready their cage.... normally the cage should be ready before we get our gliders.

All you need is patience and bonding time. JitShiong did it, KP did it, Reanne also did it.... it took them months to tame their adults.... and I think KP got her Iggy when he was a crabby bitey glider when he was about 5 or 6 months old. Reanne's 1st glider was a very adult untame male, that became quite tame. It's all time, patience and commitment lah.

Right now you already know that they are not as young as you had expected... so.... just deal with it, you already have them. Read up on bonding and start bonding with your gliders. It's never too late.

Adults can get RM100 to Rm120 in KL.... if in Malacca or Penang.... I think RM60 also got....
Petaling Street out of stock already. There are 2 juvi gliders and 1 very adorable slightly underage joey... A pity coz shop keeper couldn't tell the sex. The small joey is a female.

Cinnamon rare to find here. I think if we wanna know our glider's true colours, is either we keep since young or we shave out gliders bald and see what fur grows hahahaha.... jk lah here.

Anyway, when it comes to pets, money is not really an issue if we love them. I spend all my money on my pets. My parents kept nagging at me, asking "Are you gonna be a slave to your pets forever?".... I think I would coz I'm extremely happy with them.
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there ,u see, actually that guy is hiding sumthing,i think so .
Thanks for the info crazymouse biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 5 2008, 03:30 PM)
Actually, this pic was in that mudah.com's ad... but it is not original pic. This pic originally from adpost, by a supplier who was selling Rm60 for males.
Don't lose hope lah. You already bought them, you need to do research.

Did you buy on impulse? I mean.... you also haven't get ready their cage.... normally the cage should be ready before we get our gliders.

All you need is patience and bonding time. JitShiong did it, KP did it, Reanne also did it.... it took them months to tame their adults.... and I think KP got her Iggy when he was a crabby bitey glider when he was about 5 or 6 months old. Reanne's 1st glider was a very adult untame male, that became quite tame. It's all time, patience and commitment lah.

Right now you already know that they are not as young as you had expected... so.... just deal with it, you already have them. Read up on bonding and start bonding with your gliders. It's never too late.

Adults can get RM100 to Rm120 in KL.... if in Malacca or Penang.... I think RM60 also got....
Petaling Street out of stock already. There are 2 juvi gliders and 1 very adorable slightly underage joey... A pity coz shop keeper couldn't tell the sex. The small joey is a female.
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i think i'll get it and try tame them..
coz i already confimd..
must keep promise..
berdosa if i dont...
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 5 2008, 03:33 PM)
Did the seller give you a caresheet? In his ad.... he said all the joeys are 2 to 3 months old.... why so different?

I also got caresheet but I gotta email out coz still in the progress hahahah...
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Do u think u can trust that statement of his?
Haha,2-3 months my head!
Looks more like 6 months to a year!


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i think i'll get it and try tame them..
coz i already confimd..
must keep promise..
berdosa if i dont...
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I'm sure everyone here would help u as much as they could.
Dun hesitate to ask bout anything.
Will be glad to help out.

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QUOTE(thejamz @ Mar 5 2008, 03:37 PM)
i think i'll get it and try tame them..
coz i already confimd..
must keep promise..
berdosa if i dont...
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still have time make ur decision biggrin.gif
u wont lose anything
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Added on March 5, 2008, 3:50 pm
I'm sure everyone here would help u as much as they could.
Dun hesitate to ask bout anything.
Will be glad to help out.
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thanks.. smile.gif
now being prepare for new arriver..
must do research as much as possible..

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thejamz,

everyone here would spend their time to advise and comment as much as they would spend their time on their suggies...

again, thumbs up for everyone here... woot!!!!

P/S... I'm already a slave for my pet sugar glider... got to wake up like 4am to play with them..

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QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 5 2008, 03:34 PM)
"Are you gonna be a slave to your pets forever?".... I think I would coz I'm extremely happy with them.
This part is extremely sweet. smile.gif
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tongue.gif Thanks...

I always stay at home, rarely go out to do other stuff ppl my age would do.... all coz I babysit my pets LOL.

Anyway, your C and K looks very very well. K's leg ok now?

QUOTE(colnagos @ Mar 5 2008, 03:36 PM)
there ,u  see, actually that guy is hiding sumthing,i think so .
Thanks for the info crazymouse  biggrin.gif
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All the pics he posted in mudah.com not his pics. I saw it before you guys bought.... I was suspecting something not right coz his 1st ad, he deleted.... then 2nd ad, was only mentioning gliders for sale, no age... then he re-edit it, putting in the end cage cost Rm10, will give caresheet and information on diet and care, also only for animal lovers.... so can say he edited his ad 3 times liao....

QUOTE(thejamz @ Mar 5 2008, 03:37 PM)
i think i'll get it and try tame them..
coz i already confimd..
must keep promise..
berdosa if i dont...
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You promised to buy? Wah... next time shouldn't promise mah.... take a look 1st if you find it suspecious... best you buy from people who are trusted....
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 5 2008, 04:11 PM)
tongue.gif  Thanks...

I always stay at home, rarely go out to do other stuff ppl my age would do.... all coz I babysit my pets LOL.

Anyway, your C and K looks very very well. K's leg ok now?
Heheh.. yeah. I know wut u mean, my mum said 'ishk, lebih dr anak lagi'. Wut to do, they are my anak2. Hehhe...

And thanks. I need to keep a close eye on them. Getting them at such a tender age, im afraid they got health problem as such. Hopefully not. Kooche's leg is much better now. She can hop hop and run around the room now.
So i think its getting better. smile.gif

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my friend recently bought a pair of adult gliders.... from someone who has no time to keep them... it has brown fur like those posted earlier... and its extremely tame...
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 5 2008, 04:03 PM)
thejamz,

everyone here would spend their time to advise and comment as much as they would spend their time on their suggies...

again, thumbs up for everyone here... woot!!!!

P/S... I'm already a slave for my pet sugar glider... got to wake up like 4am to play with them..
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So is everyone else. Owner cum slave to suggies. Hehhe...but happily and lovingly loved by suggies. Yeah!!
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anyway, good to know u r very dedicated to tame that joey of urs. thumbup.gif All the bes ya!
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QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 5 2008, 04:21 PM)
So is everyone else. Owner cum slave to suggies. Hehhe...but happily and lovingly loved by suggies. Yeah!!
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anyway, good to know u r very dedicated to tame that joey of urs.� thumbup.gif� All the bes ya!
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thank you..
i figured, it would be better to let them bite me now than to let them bite me when they are bigger... lol...
i just can't stand looking at my glider playing with herself in the cage...

yeah!!! my friend is giving me a bigger cage for my glider... actually, as a present....
well, i was thinking whether or not to put fake plants in the cage....

it would definitely make the cage look better with fake plants...
but my only concern is that i'm afraid when i bring my glider out, they will jump on to branches and trees...
will they do it?? any recommendation whether or not to put in fake plants?

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crazymouse: hun, the joey you saw at petaling street, is it petsmore? and do you think the little baby is still there?? might wan to visit her... if can, wan to adopt her before someone else does..

thejamz: bro, u check and see if the gliders he promised you is in good shape or not lah... or else, i think its ok if u dont buy them. the seller is more berdosa to sell you gliders who're in bad condition.
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Arghh, so geram my net went crappy when I was about to reply... Now so many to reply... Ans it ain't all that good!

QUOTE(colnagos @ Mar 5 2008, 12:22 PM)
this is my new SG  nod.gif 

they was so naughty,they bite me until my fingers bleed. shocking.gif
taking time to tame it.
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You bought an adult, possibly wild caught gliders ofcourse they can bite till bleeding.

Will take a whole lot of time and patience to tame them and I hope you will stick to it to the end and not give up half way!

That is what most newbies do... Cannot cope about a month or 2, give up, sell the gliders to someone else... Seen too much of this happening.

And your cage is freaking small and torturous for them.

QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 5 2008, 12:40 PM)
U can differentiate them with their colour n their fur.
Those from the wild are mostly tainted.
They dun look too heatlhy too.
The fur is a bit too thin


Added on March 5, 2008, 12:43 pm

Adult gliders n wild adults are totally different.
This is from the jungle,not captive breed.
Very wild.
U can't feed them mealworm with ur hand,they'll attact the worm together with ur hand.
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Yes, it's actually easy to differentiate WC and captive bred.

Like what jitshiong has said, WC furs are mostly tainted and very brown in color, this is due to their pee stain, nesting in the wild and markings.

QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 5 2008, 12:56 PM)
Captive bred gliders, be it adults or joeys will never bite till draw blood.
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Need to correct that statement a bit.

Adults be it captive bred or WC, CAN bite till draw blood!

Iggy is a captive bred which was kept in a group in god knows how big of a cage and had no proper human interaction... And he bites till it bleeds!

Adults teeth are much more stronger as they grow, and even a little nip can actually break your skin and draw blood. Joeys teeth is still immature, thus wont break your skin if they nip.

QUOTE(colnagos @ Mar 5 2008, 01:31 PM)
yes they are wild, but according to the seller they are 3@ 4 month old.

they can be rubbed and massage but cannot being lift up they`ll bite me.The female one didnt bite me that hard just a nip ..
but the male one will bit me very hard .  cry.gif

can some body help me  icon_question.gif
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Definitely not 3-4 months old. More like a juvie of 6-7 months.

You'll need a lot of time and patience. Only that can help you.

QUOTE(colnagos @ Mar 5 2008, 02:18 PM)
thanks
i bought them from mudah.com.my for RM400 per pair.
I`m planning to buy abigger cage,but dont know when.definitely till i have full budget  blink.gif
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You've definitely been duped.

RM400 for those 2 is a brag!

You need a big cage asap!

Should have known that before you commit to getting them.

QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 5 2008, 02:24 PM)
Normally the joeys will be slightly tainted due to the fact that they nurse from their mom n always stick their head into the mom's pouch.
But it's just a slight taint on their shoulder.
Urs is a heavy taint.
It will take years to shed off the brownish colour.
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A nursing joey will get a very faint taint around their muzzle only.

Most WC brownish color won't shed off anymore, the taint has become permenant and since ewe can wash them with whitening shampoo, the color will most likely to stay.

QUOTE(siokjinlim @ Mar 5 2008, 02:37 PM)
mod, feel free to delete it, cos this is not my pic, but just wondering if all suggie in the pic are wild.. just wan to learn hw to spot wild ones, so i/we all dun get cheated in the future  wink.gif
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Yes, those are WC. They ship and keep them in that bloody condition. Very sad.

That pix is actually from Adpost.

QUOTE(bonai @ Mar 5 2008, 02:54 PM)
RM200 seems reasonable.
Now glider only few stocks so it's ok la..
Wild caught could get like RM120 from petaling street.

Money is not the matter once you love it.

there's no rule saying you can't buy adults or wild caughts.
So feel happy to have have one.

It's just the taming and bonding process that takes time.
I bet you would be much more brave once their tame rather than those who bought tamed gliders.

Btw, this guy knows that he needs to do research and thats what he's doing now (looks like that to me).
that's a good start!

EDITED: I can show you some wild adults thats not even brown in colour. And I can show you my friend's joey brown in colour. It's called true cinnamon as he said. Only a true cinnamon reveals it colour since young. So cant really tell by just looking at the colour. Anyway, in above pictures if kept like that is totally wild!
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One should not be duped and called reasonable.

WC range from as low as RM60-150 each only.

There's plenty of glider stock, all you need to do is spend some proper time to search.

So far the colors of gliders available in Malaysia is only standard grey with a few variant of shades, we don't have any other special color such as cinnamon and such. Dunnolah if you are really fortunate to get one.

QUOTE(thejamz @ Mar 5 2008, 03:37 PM)
i think i'll get it and try tame them..
coz i already confimd..
must keep promise..
berdosa if i dont...
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If you can back out, it's best to do so since you have already gotten some info.

It's not easy to tame a WC.

Without real patience and persistance, you'd get frustrated easily.

Taming can take from a few months to even years.

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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 5 2008, 04:28 PM)
thank you..
i figured, it would be better to let them bite me now than to let them bite me when they are bigger... lol...
i just can't stand looking at my glider playing with herself in the cage...

yeah!!! my friend is giving me a bigger cage for my glider... actually, as a present....
well, i was thinking whether or not to put fake plants in the cage....

it would definitely make the cage look better with fake plants...
but my only concern is that i'm afraid when i bring my glider out, they will jump on to branches and trees...
will they do it?? any recommendation whether or not to put in fake plants?
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ya lor...that's y keeping them in pairs is highly recommended. hehhee....
they'd have each other's company when we need sum time for ourselves like to sleep! hahaha...
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 5 2008, 04:28 PM)
thank you..
i figured, it would be better to let them bite me now than to let them bite me when they are bigger... lol...
i just can't stand looking at my glider playing with herself in the cage...

yeah!!! my friend is giving me a bigger cage for my glider... actually, as a present....
well, i was thinking whether or not to put fake plants in the cage....

it would definitely make the cage look better with fake plants...
but my only concern is that i'm afraid when i bring my glider out, they will jump on to branches and trees...
will they do it?? any recommendation whether or not to put in fake plants?
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Get another joey loh heheheh.... anyway, you can add fake plants but then most likely she would chew it up. So better not. Just stick with some ropes, safe recommended branches like hibiscus, you can add more ramps or more pouches heheheh. Anyway, use your creativity.

QUOTE(siokjinlim @ Mar 5 2008, 04:33 PM)
crazymouse: hun, the joey you saw at petaling street, is it petsmore? and do you think the little baby is still there?? might wan to visit her... if can, wan to adopt her before someone else does..

thejamz: bro, u check and see if the gliders he promised you is in good shape or not lah... or else, i think its ok if u dont buy them. the seller is more berdosa to sell you gliders who're in bad condition.
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Oh, is not Petsmore.... Petsmore that joey kinda stressed.... dunno bout the diet.... the one I saw is at one of the last old petshops down the road.... near the chicken rice shop and some small parking lot.

QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ Mar 5 2008, 04:36 PM)
Arghh, so geram my net went crappy when I was about to reply... Now so many to reply... Ans it ain't all that good!
You bought an adult, possibly wild caught gliders ofcourse they can bite till bleeding.

Will take a whole lot of time and patience to tame them and I hope you will stick to it to the end and not give up half way!

That is what most newbies do... Cannot cope about a month or 2, give up, sell the gliders to someone else... Seen too much of this happening.

And your cage is freaking small and torturous for them.
Yes, it's actually easy to differentiate WC and captive bred.

Like what jitshiong has said, WC furs are mostly tainted and very brown in color, this is due to their pee stain, nesting in the wild and markings.
Need to correct that statement a bit.

Adults be it captive bred or WC, CAN bite till draw blood!

Iggy is a captive bred which was kept in a group in god knows how big of a cage and had no proper human interaction... And he bites till it bleeds!

Adults teeth are much more stronger as they grow, and even a little nip can actually break your skin and draw blood. Joeys teeth is still immature, thus wont break your skin if they nip.
Definitely not 3-4 months old. More like a juvie of 6-7 months.

You'll need a lot of time and patience. Only that can help you.
You've definitely been duped.

RM400 for those 2 is a brag!

You need a big cage asap!

Should have known that before you commit to getting them.
A nursing joey will get a very faint taint around their muzzle only.

Most WC brownish color won't shed off anymore, the taint has become permenant and since ewe can wash them with whitening shampoo, the color will most likely to stay.
Yes, those are WC. They ship and keep them in that bloody condition. Very sad.

That pix is actually from Adpost.
One should not be duped and called reasonable.

WC range from as low as RM60-150 each only.

There's plenty of glider stock, all you need to do is spend some proper time to search.

So far the colors of gliders available in Malaysia is only standard grey with a few variant of shades, we don't have any other special color such as cinnamon and such. Dunnolah if you are really fortunate to get one.
If you can back out, it's best to do so since you have already gotten some info.

It's not easy to tame a WC.

Without real patience and persistance, you'd get frustrated easily.

Taming can take from a few months to even years.

KP
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Finally your here.... Maybe I should have mention captive bred that have been handled.... coz like some gliders I boarded, got 1 pair they were captive bred but rarely handled.... never bite till bleeding, the male is ok enough for me to hold and climb about me.... but the female is timid as a mouse.

Many people are going about using other people's pictures for their sales.... in LYN garage sales got as well.... just google sugar glider images, can find it.... that is why, always request for the original photo if you need it.

Wild caught so damn cheap... RM60 RM50.... imagine how many impulse breeders and buyers would buy.... imagine those seeking a profit would gain.... buy at Rm50, then sell at RM300... who knows rite?

Even the adults in Pets Wonderland, the staff dare not hold the adult gliders coz they bite till bleed.... and sell rm488.... crazy...


I think alot these days are captive bred but never handled, pretty much let them go wild.... but thanks for pointing out my mistake.
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everyone is asking me to get another glider...
but i don't want another glider if i don't need to...
i'm seriously bonded to the one i'm having..

do i really need to get another glider?
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 5 2008, 04:50 PM)
everyone is asking me to get another glider...
but i don't want another glider if i don't need to...
i'm seriously bonded to the one i'm having..

do i really need to get another glider?
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You will one day. It doesn't need to be a male, female also fine. It doesn't need to be now, maybe in a few months time or a year... who knows....

But if you really can play and spend all your time with your joey now and she has adapted well, then possible to not have. But since gliders are social, is good to have another so that your glider can have company with another that is the same species with her....

I started with 1, now got 3.... may add more later tongue.gif


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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 5 2008, 04:48 PM)
Finally your here.... Maybe I should have mention captive bred that have been handled.... coz like some gliders I boarded, got 1 pair they were captive bred but rarely handled.... never bite till bleeding, the male is ok enough for me to hold and climb about me.... but the female is timid as a mouse.

Many people are going about using other people's pictures for their sales.... in LYN garage sales got as well.... just google sugar glider images, can find it.... that is why, always request for the original photo if you need it.

Wild caught so damn cheap... RM60 RM50.... imagine how many impulse breeders and buyers would buy.... imagine those seeking a profit would gain.... buy at Rm50, then sell at RM300... who knows rite?

Even the adults in Pets Wonderland, the staff dare not hold the adult gliders coz they bite till bleed.... and sell rm488.... crazy...
I think alot these days are captive bred but never handled, pretty much let them go wild.... but thanks for pointing out my mistake.
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My net went totally bonkers, so geram, stuck without it for a few hours...

For captive bred, if they have been handled before, even sparingly, they should be okay... But still, not all, cuz we have to remember gliders have their own personalities...

I dunno how Iggy was really kept last time, but he was a crabby and fierce bugga! Now he doesn't bite without reason, but since he knows how to bite, he will bite to show displeasure and it will usually draw some blood cuz of his mighty teeth!

Yeah, always request for original pix... I remember once, I saw someone add a joey for sale in adpost which looks like buttercream color, I was so excited and asked the seller to see more pixs, and when the seller sent me some more pixs, none was the same like he posted in adpost doh.gif

The problem with the cheap pricing, not only attracts those seeking for profit to breed, but also newbie who wants a glider but wants them cheap... They'll end up getting WC gliders, find out they bite and difficult to handle, then sell them off again or let them go in the streets... sad.gif

I think I saw Pets Wonderland offering the adult gliders at 50% now or izit buy one free one hmm.gif

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i already PM the seller 2 cancel..
dont dare 2 call...
huhu..
lucky found this forum b4 pick it up..
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QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ Mar 5 2008, 04:36 PM)
Arghh, so geram my net went crappy when I was about to reply... Now so many to reply... Ans it ain't all that good!
You bought an adult, possibly wild caught gliders ofcourse they can bite till bleeding.

Will take a whole lot of time and patience to tame them and I hope you will stick to it to the end and not give up half way!

That is what most newbies do... Cannot cope about a month or 2, give up, sell the gliders to someone else... Seen too much of this happening.

And your cage is freaking small and torturous for them.
Yes, it's actually easy to differentiate WC and captive bred.

Like what jitshiong has said, WC furs are mostly tainted and very brown in color, this is due to their pee stain, nesting in the wild and markings.
Need to correct that statement a bit.

Adults be it captive bred or WC, CAN bite till draw blood!

Iggy is a captive bred which was kept in a group in god knows how big of a cage and had no proper human interaction... And he bites till it bleeds!

Adults teeth are much more stronger as they grow, and even a little nip can actually break your skin and draw blood. Joeys teeth is still immature, thus wont break your skin if they nip.
Definitely not 3-4 months old. More like a juvie of 6-7 months.

You'll need a lot of time and patience. Only that can help you.
You've definitely been duped.

RM400 for those 2 is a brag!

You need a big cage asap!

Should have known that before you commit to getting them.
A nursing joey will get a very faint taint around their muzzle only.

Most WC brownish color won't shed off anymore, the taint has become permenant and since ewe can wash them with whitening shampoo, the color will most likely to stay.
Yes, those are WC. They ship and keep them in that bloody condition. Very sad.

That pix is actually from Adpost.
One should not be duped and called reasonable.

WC range from as low as RM60-150 each only.

There's plenty of glider stock, all you need to do is spend some proper time to search.

So far the colors of gliders available in Malaysia is only standard grey with a few variant of shades, we don't have any other special color such as cinnamon and such. Dunnolah if you are really fortunate to get one.
If you can back out, it's best to do so since you have already gotten some info.

It's not easy to tame a WC.

Without real patience and persistance, you'd get frustrated easily.

Taming can take from a few months to even years.

KP
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thanks 4 ur advice smile.gif
will buy a bigger cage soon,
hey, i need bonding pouches for them,
u sell it right?
is it available?


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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 5 2008, 04:56 PM)
You will one day. It doesn't need to be a male, female also fine. It doesn't need to be now, maybe in a few months time or a year... who knows....

But if you really can play and spend all your time with your joey now and she has adapted well, then possible to not have. But since gliders are social, is good to have another so that your glider can have company with another that is the same species with her....

I started with 1, now got 3.... may add more later� tongue.gif
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cry.gif i dont want another glider... cry.gif cry.gif
play with her at night and bring her along with me everyday is sufficient??

i will let her play around my room... and give her lotsa toys to play with...

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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 5 2008, 04:50 PM)
everyone is asking me to get another glider...
but i don't want another glider if i don't need to...
i'm seriously bonded to the one i'm having..

do i really need to get another glider?
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not really if u r commited to her.
It's ur decision...

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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 5 2008, 05:04 PM)
cry.gif i dont want another glider...  cry.gif  cry.gif
play with her at night and bring her along with me everyday is sufficient??
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Chill, chill...

Okay, I understand that you just wanna keep one and promise to keep your glider company at all time possibly... But do think carefully about the unforeseen stuff in the future...

A new career might take away a lot of your free time...

A new partner(BF/GF) would probably not like you spending so much time with your glider...

You might need to go away to somewhere you cannot bring your glider and need to leave him/her behind for a period of time...

You might get hospitalize for a period of time...

All these scenarios will take you away from your glider in which most likely you need to leave him/her with someone else... That someone else might not be as attentive as you are towards your glider, wouldn't that make your glider stressed and lonely?

No hurry to get another one at all, just think about it and I'm sure over time you will realize the importance of getting your glider a companion.

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again thanks for the advise...

when i'm hospitalize or going for a vacation(in which i doubt i will do that) then i can pass my glider to you for boarding... LOL... rclxms.gif
and thank you in advance... drool.gif

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QUOTE(colnagos @ Mar 5 2008, 05:38 PM)
CONCLUSION

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me also cancel from buy them..
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 5 2008, 05:29 PM)
when i'm hospitalize or going for a vacation(in which i doubt i will do that) then i can pass my glider to you for boarding... LOL... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(colnagos @ Mar 5 2008, 05:38 PM)
CONCLUSION

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QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ Mar 5 2008, 04:36 PM)
Arghh, so geram my net went crappy when I was about to reply... Now so many to reply... Ans it ain't all that good!
You bought an adult, possibly wild caught gliders ofcourse they can bite till bleeding.

Will take a whole lot of time and patience to tame them and I hope you will stick to it to the end and not give up half way!

That is what most newbies do... Cannot cope about a month or 2, give up, sell the gliders to someone else... Seen too much of this happening.

Like what jitshiong has said, WC furs are mostly tainted and very brown in color, this is due to their pee stain, nesting in the wild and markings.
Need to correct that statement a bit.

Adults be it captive bred or WC, CAN bite till draw blood!

Should have known that before you commit to getting them.
A nursing joey will get a very faint taint around their muzzle only.

Most WC brownish color won't shed off anymore, the taint has become permenant and since ewe can wash them with whitening shampoo, the color will most likely to stay.
Yes, those are WC. They ship and keep them in that bloody condition. Very sad.

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Kp,my female changed her colour le.
That was after 2 years la.
But she overgroomed herself before that.
Maybe that's y the colour changed back to the normal grey.
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 5 2008, 06:04 PM)
Kp,my female changed her colour le.
That was after 2 years la.
But she overgroomed herself before that.
Maybe that's y the colour changed back to the normal grey.
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Some is possible, some minor change, some will not.

Thats why I said "most"...

My Iggy was also brownish(not as bad as those WC) but is now lighter than before, more like grey with hints of browns. He used to rub himself a lot on the sleeping pouch and transferring the brown stains onto the pouch, then he grooms himself a lot... So his color is not as bad as before... But if overgroomed or like the furs come off, the new furs that grows will be grey smile.gif Iggy has one patch of grey fur on his head where he used to overgroom till one whole patch of fur came off... And when his fur grew back, that one spot only is grey tongue.gif

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[quote=crazymouse_yyh,Mar 5 2008, 12:56 PM]
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Cute joeys. They started taking mealworms?

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Tried to intro them to mealworms but they still prefer fruits & my special brew of blended apples, honeydew & organic regular rolled oats...

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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 5 2008, 04:28 PM)
thank you..
i figured, it would be better to let them bite me now than to let them bite me when they are bigger... lol...
i just can't stand looking at my glider playing with herself in the cage...

yeah!!! my friend is giving me a bigger cage for my glider... actually, as a present....
well, i was thinking whether or not to put fake plants in the cage....

it would definitely make the cage look better with fake plants...
but my only concern is that i'm afraid when i bring my glider out, they will jump on to branches and trees...
will they do it?? any recommendation whether or not to put in fake plants?
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last time i use fake plants for my cage decoration purpose.
my sg are hapi with those new toys for the begining.
then after few days i found them biting those fake plants and i dun know they will "eat" those fake plants or not.
i ady removed all fake plants from my cage.
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QUOTE(phoonwa @ Mar 5 2008, 09:53 PM)
last time i use fake plants for my cage decoration purpose.
my sg are hapi with those new toys for the begining.
then after few days i found them biting those fake plants and i dun know they will "eat" those fake plants or not.
i ady removed all fake plants from my cage.
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thank you for the comment and advise... smile.gif
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cinnamon color ? post it lah here..joey that color..i oso wanna get...

where ur fren get...i cant remember who posted bout that...coz read too

much already...where to get.....ask ur fren...

GUYS...why not u post ur cage pixxies...all of us need ideas rite to deco..

mana tau boleh dpt abit of ideas ka..

KP...

i dont know what to put in that huge cage...blur already..too big...

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QUOTE(phoonwa @ Mar 5 2008, 09:53 PM)
last time i use fake plants for my cage decoration purpose.
my sg are hapi with those new toys for the begining.
then after few days i found them biting those fake plants and i dun know they will "eat" those fake plants or not.
i ady removed all fake plants from my cage.
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Normally they won't eat it. They chew it, tear it apart, make a mess or use some for nesting wink.gif

From a full nice plant, till botak all sweat.gif

QUOTE(buttercup07 @ Mar 6 2008, 01:13 AM)
GUYS...why not u post ur cage pixxies...all of us need ideas rite to deco..

mana tau boleh dpt abit of ideas ka..

KP...

i dont know what to put in that huge cage...blur already..too big...

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Haha, mine not as huge as your also still empty wor... No idea and no time yet to really decorate it...

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I'm also in the midst of thinking how to make my bigger cage more "filled up".... but cage not with me yet LOL.... most likely I will use ropes coz Kiah and Kapi like to walk and hang on their ropes.

My cage is not big enough. Is the normal RM100 cage from pet safari lah but it is so filled up with stuff! A friend saw my cage, she said my cage looks like a circus hahahah....
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I was at Ikano's Pet Safari earlier and I saw at the Reptile Section got a mirror box thing (dunno what it's called) and inside it got 8 sugar gliders, all very young only.

There is a bright light shining down. I asked the man in charge, arent these nocturnal? Dont they sleep during the day? He replied yes. Then I was wondering why the lights? Because I can see all 8 of them snuggling up and hiding under shed and shadows, all facing down - possibly due to the light.

Then he said without the lights, they'd all die of cold. So the light is a must. RM700 per pair is best price offered.

I asked him to take out one of the young ones. He put it on my hand and I didnt dare to move. Neither did it. Then it moved to one corner of my hand and make squeeky sound when my sister wanted to touch it. Then when I look closer, I can feel the nails suddenly clawing tightly on my hand. Not pain but can feel the pokey.

Then quickly put it back. My sister and I also wanted to keep sugar gliders. We love them except for the fact that:

1. They cannot be toilet trained
2. They eat worms and crickets which is quite gelifying. No other source of protein?
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Penny,
if u wanna get gliders or any pets, always try to find breeder and get from them.

other source of protein? ur cicak at home also can laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Mar 6 2008, 03:52 PM)
I was at Ikano's Pet Safari earlier and I saw at the Reptile Section got a mirror box thing (dunno what it's called) and inside it got 8 sugar gliders, all very young only.

There is a bright light shining down. I asked the man in charge, arent these nocturnal? Dont they sleep during the day? He replied yes. Then I was wondering why the lights? Because I can see all 8 of them snuggling up and hiding under shed and shadows, all facing down - possibly due to the light.

Then he said without the lights, they'd all die of cold. So the light is a must. RM700 per pair is best price offered.

I asked him to take out one of the young ones. He put it on my hand and I didnt dare to move. Neither did it. Then it moved to one corner of my hand and make squeeky sound when my sister wanted to touch it. Then when I look closer, I can feel the nails suddenly clawing tightly on my hand. Not pain but can feel the pokey.

Then quickly put it back. My sister and I also wanted to keep sugar gliders. We love them except for the fact that:

1. They cannot be toilet trained
2. They eat worms and crickets which is quite gelifying. No other source of protein?
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hehehe... i know what u mean. they can also get sources of protein from chicken n eggs. used to freak out when Koochee grab a mealworm. now i gave them mealies by using a LONG forcep like clip that's used for planting aquarium plants. Hehehe....

the toilet train part...dun know wut to comment, except...that's how they mark u...mark=love. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Mar 6 2008, 03:52 PM)
I was at Ikano's Pet Safari earlier and I saw at the Reptile Section got a mirror box thing (dunno what it's called) and inside it got 8 sugar gliders, all very young only.

There is a bright light shining down. I asked the man in charge, arent these nocturnal? Dont they sleep during the day? He replied yes. Then I was wondering why the lights? Because I can see all 8 of them snuggling up and hiding under shed and shadows, all facing down - possibly due to the light.

Then he said without the lights, they'd all die of cold. So the light is a must. RM700 per pair is best price offered.

I asked him to take out one of the young ones. He put it on my hand and I didnt dare to move. Neither did it. Then it moved to one corner of my hand and make squeeky sound when my sister wanted to touch it. Then when I look closer, I can feel the nails suddenly clawing tightly on my hand. Not pain but can feel the pokey.

Then quickly put it back. My sister and I also wanted to keep sugar gliders. We love them except for the fact that:

1. They cannot be toilet trained
2. They eat worms and crickets which is quite gelifying. No other source of protein?
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Yes, many of us has approached and advise the staffs at PS regarding the light and their answer is still the same... "They cold ma..." "They'll die if too cold..." Which obviously is not gonna happen if they had provide a warm piece of material of housing for them mad.gif

Yes, they cannot be toilet train.

Yes, they need mealworms or crickets... Can substitude with chicken and egg, but they won't take those by itself, need to include in their mix... Mealworms or crickets is still the best icon_idea.gif I used to be squirmish, but for the sake of my monster, I learnt using the forceps, then lama-lama, got sooo used of the mealworms, not squirmish at all now! flex.gif (They're really harmless little buggas tongue.gif)

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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Mar 6 2008, 03:52 PM)
I was at Ikano's Pet Safari earlier and I saw at the Reptile Section got a mirror box thing (dunno what it's called) and inside it got 8 sugar gliders, all very young only.

There is a bright light shining down. I asked the man in charge, arent these nocturnal? Dont they sleep during the day? He replied yes. Then I was wondering why the lights? Because I can see all 8 of them snuggling up and hiding under shed and shadows, all facing down - possibly due to the light.

Then he said without the lights, they'd all die of cold. So the light is a must. RM700 per pair is best price offered.

I asked him to take out one of the young ones. He put it on my hand and I didnt dare to move. Neither did it. Then it moved to one corner of my hand and make squeeky sound when my sister wanted to touch it. Then when I look closer, I can feel the nails suddenly clawing tightly on my hand. Not pain but can feel the pokey.

Then quickly put it back. My sister and I also wanted to keep sugar gliders. We love them except for the fact that:

1. They cannot be toilet trained
2. They eat worms and crickets which is quite gelifying. No other source of protein?
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That's the scenario commonly found at most petshops. They don't provide proper housing for the gliders and also the proper information. Normally they dun give them a pouch to sleep in cos they want the customers to be able to see the creature, thus no pouch for them to hide. With the pouch in there, they'll be sleeping in there and also most gliders will become pouch protective. Bite when u try to put ur hand in the pouch.

RM700 is pretty normal price in petstores. It's better to get them from trusted breeder where u know how old is the joey and what are they fed with. Most joeys in the petstore aren't handled before, or rarely handled. That's y they are scared of human. That explains the grip when the joey was on ur hand.

As for the peeing n pooping,can't do much bout it. They are animals, and it's just normal for them to go whenever they want. If they like u, they pee on u.LOL!

Other source of protien can beobtained from chicken,turkey, and eggs like what spel'it said.

Minus the 2 bad part,they are very wonderful creatures.


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QUOTE(alkt @ Mar 6 2008, 03:58 PM)
Penny,
if u wanna get gliders or any pets, always try to find breeder and get from them.

other source of protein? ur cicak at home also can laugh.gif
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Haha, there was once this cicak in my house fell into the cage where i house Twinkle. She ate it. I found the remains of the cicak the next day.

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OK, back to two important questions (I probably asked this before but I forgot the answer, dont mind some of you repeat and those of you never seen this before, can help educate me too!)

1. How much does it cost to keep a pair of sugar gliders... The cost of their supplement, grooming, food, cleaning - EACH MONTH?
2. Is it safe to put the cage outside? I know some of you had answered this with cold wind, raining and musang. What if there's cover (raincoat type of cloth) and there is a padlock at the cage door. Wouldnt that "solve" everything?

It's kind of hard to keep a caged animal indoor. My house already got two Westie, tambah somemore, sure kena whack!

QUOTE(alkt @ Mar 6 2008, 03:58 PM)
Penny,
if u wanna get gliders or any pets, always try to find breeder and get from them.

other source of protein? ur cicak at home also can laugh.gif
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I know la. Hahaha... I came so close to buying it from crazymouse_yyh last time and last minute I had to cancel. House not much cicak leh. The bloody worm and cricket are super gelifying. Luckily there are alternatives.


QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 6 2008, 04:01 PM)
hehehe... i know what u mean. they can also get sources of protein from chicken n eggs. used to freak out when Koochee grab a mealworm. now i gave them mealies by using a LONG forcep like clip that's used for planting aquarium plants. Hehehe....

the toilet train part...dun know wut to comment, except...that's how they mark u...mark=love.  thumbup.gif
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Chicken and eggs are a good source of protein for them eh? OK, but can they live solely on chicken and eggs as a source of protein? A lifetime without wormie and crickets, just eggs / chicken - can? If can, then it's one problem solved!

How do you avoid getting pee / poo on each time you take it out?


QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ Mar 6 2008, 04:16 PM)
Yes, many of us has approached and advise the staffs at PS regarding the light and their answer is still the same... "They cold ma..." "They'll die if too cold..." Which obviously is not gonna happen if they had provide a warm piece of material of housing for them mad.gif

Yes, they cannot be toilet train.

Yes, they need mealworms or crickets... Can substitude with chicken and egg, but they won't take those by itself, need to include in their mix... Mealworms or crickets is still the best icon_idea.gif I used to be squirmish, but for the sake of my monster, I learnt using the forceps, then lama-lama, got sooo used of the mealworms, not squirmish at all now! flex.gif (They're really harmless little buggas tongue.gif)

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Hah! I'm back at the sugar glider thread again! Been wanting a pair for so so long! I think what jitshiong say is right, they dont want to give them a proper housing because they want it to be on display for the customers.

When you said mealworms and crickets are still the best. Do you mean to say that chicken and eggs' protein is insufficient? Probably not as good as raw meat (worm and cricket)?? If possible, I'd like to feed them chicken / egg all their life (if I ever get a pair, that is), without mealworms or crickets. Is that possible?

QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 6 2008, 04:20 PM)
That's the scenario commonly found at most petshops. They don't provide proper housing for the gliders and also the proper information. Normally they dun give them a pouch to sleep in cos they want the customers to be able to see the creature, thus no pouch for them to hide. With the pouch in there, they'll be sleeping in there and also most gliders will become pouch protective. Bite when u try to put ur hand in the pouch.

RM700 is pretty normal price in petstores. It's better to get them from trusted breeder where u know how old is the joey and what are they fed with. Most joeys in the petstore aren't handled before, or rarely handled. That's y they are scared of human. That explains the grip when the joey was on ur hand.

As for the peeing n pooping,can't do much bout it. They are animals, and it's just normal for them to go whenever they want. If they like u, they pee on u.LOL!

Other source of protien can beobtained from chicken,turkey, and eggs like what spel'it said.

Minus the 2 bad part,they are very wonderful creatures.


Added on March 6, 2008, 4:23 pm
Haha, there was once this cicak in my house fell into the cage where i house Twinkle. She ate it. I found the remains of the cicak the next day.
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My God... the remains of the cicak sure is gross!! Anyway, I think you are right about how they want the gliders to be displayed and it's difficult to take it out once they are comfortable in the pouch.

Like me, pee on me... What is this man...
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Mar 6 2008, 04:34 PM)
OK, back to two important questions (I probably asked this before but I forgot the answer, dont mind some of you repeat and those of you never seen this before, can help educate me too!)

1. How much does it cost to keep a pair of sugar gliders... The cost of their supplement, grooming, food, cleaning - EACH MONTH?
2. Is it safe to put the cage outside? I know some of you had answered this with cold wind, raining and musang. What if there's cover (raincoat type of cloth) and there is a padlock at the cage door. Wouldnt that "solve" everything?

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When you said mealworms and crickets are still the best. Do you mean to say that chicken and eggs' protein is insufficient? Probably not as good as raw meat (worm and cricket)?? If possible, I'd like to feed them chicken / egg all their life (if I ever get a pair, that is), without mealworms or crickets. Is that possible?

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Anyway, I think you are right about how they want the gliders to be displayed and it's difficult to take it out once they are comfortable in the pouch.

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For the 2 questions, you can use the search entry with keywords such as "cost" or "outdoor" and I'm pretty sure it will guide you to the answers we have given in the past smile.gif

As far as you can cover the rain for splashing or sort, what about thunder? How can you stop the thunder to avoid them getting the shock of their life?

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Yes, mealworms and crixs are still best as it's as close to their nature of feeding on insects. I'm a girl and I can get use to the mealworms for the love of my suggies, I'm sure you can too!

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Actually if they are trained to handle the joeys better, getting a joey/glider out of a pouch with the right technique is much more easier icon_rolleyes.gif

Somehow my suggies knows not to do biz on me, but will do it on other people instead tongue.gif (Or it's just a matter of understanding their pee and poop time and when it's coming...)

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u can't avoid the pee and poo 100%
but try not to hold them right after meal and when they just woke up. let them do business first tongue.gif

playtime they will be less peeing. just a bit and most of the time wont smell unless they are marking u biggrin.gif

mealworm wont be so geli after a few weeks laugh.gif
i used to use forceps. now single picking one by one using fingers. always pick the most healthy first. i hate giving crickets coz cant stand the smell and the noise at night its like they are having some party themselves doh.gif

monthly cost i think KP already answered last time.
let say around RM50 for foods and treats.
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Source of protein - I gave "dan tan" aka "sweet steamed egg" or mouse pinky.

Source of calcium - cat food, iams, once a week.

Staple food - non citric fruits

For fun - mealworms / crickets

Accidentally taken - chow kuey teow, bak kut teh, twisties sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Mar 6 2008, 04:34 PM)
OK, back to two important questions (I probably asked this before but I forgot the answer, dont mind some of you repeat and those of you never seen this before, can help educate me too!)

1. How much does it cost to keep a pair of sugar gliders... The cost of their supplement, grooming, food, cleaning - EACH MONTH?
Okay... Food is about RM15/week for me if you get supplies of Apples, Carrots, Honeydew, Cucumber and Cherry Tomatoes.
Mealworms RM1 can last about 1-2 weeks. So each month would prob be RM3-5.
Hun's glidermix can last about 1 month per container. Hun's mix is a supplement that I used for now. Thats around RM7 per container if I'm not mistaken.

Other than that is probably baby wipes for cleaning. One small pack of RM5 should prob last for a month since you only need to use it when they gets too smelly.

Others also used some approved kibbles and dogfood as treats. And some used organic baby foods.

Since I used old newspaper as beddings, I dont really spend on it. Just take some old The Sun copies from office. Hehe.

Its not really that expensive if wanna compare to other pets, like maybe hamsters and gerbils I think, since unlike hamsters staples, the fruits you can also eat. Well, Hun's mix are also safe to eat if you want! And baby wipes can also be used to clean your face! Hehe~

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I find a safe way is to put your glider on an old cloth on a table when you take it out and leave him alone for about half hour. He usually pee and poo around that time. Then you play with him with no pee/poo on your body! thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Pennywise @ Mar 6 2008, 04:34 PM)
OK, back to two important questions (I probably asked this before but I forgot the answer, dont mind some of you repeat and those of you never seen this before, can help educate me too!)

1. How much does it cost to keep a pair of sugar gliders... The cost of their supplement, grooming, food, cleaning - EACH MONTH?
2. Is it safe to put the cage outside? I know some of you had answered this with cold wind, raining and musang. What if there's cover (raincoat type of cloth) and there is a padlock at the cage door. Wouldnt that "solve" everything?

It's kind of hard to keep a caged animal indoor. My house already got two Westie, tambah somemore, sure kena whack!
I know la. Hahaha... I came so close to buying it from crazymouse_yyh last time and last minute I had to cancel. House not much cicak leh. The bloody worm and cricket are super gelifying. Luckily there are alternatives.
Chicken and eggs are a good source of protein for them eh? OK, but can they live solely on chicken and eggs as a source of protein? A lifetime without wormie and crickets, just eggs / chicken - can? If can, then it's one problem solved!

How do you avoid getting pee / poo on each time you take it out?
Hah! I'm back at the sugar glider thread again! Been wanting a pair for so so long! I think what jitshiong say is right, they dont want to give them a proper housing because they want it to be on display for the customers.

When you said mealworms and crickets are still the best. Do you mean to say that chicken and eggs' protein is insufficient? Probably not as good as raw meat (worm and cricket)?? If possible, I'd like to feed them chicken / egg all their life (if I ever get a pair, that is), without mealworms or crickets. Is that possible?
My God... the remains of the cicak sure is gross!! Anyway, I think you are right about how they want the gliders to be displayed and it's difficult to take it out once they are comfortable in the pouch.

Like me, pee on me... What is this man...
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I never actually calculated my cost of keeping my gliders. I would estimate it around RM50, but that includes the fruits. I share the fruits with my gliders, cos can't keep fruits for a long long time. Cut pieces for them, others i eat it so it's more like giving them a part of my daily diet. So practically my cost would be below RM20 including supplements and mealworms.

I wouldn't recommend keeping them outside. That will exposed them to thunder, cars, bikes, cats, dog.. too long to list them down. However, there are lots of benefits if u keep them in ur house. They'll get used to ur smell, the voices of ur family member, u need not worry if other animals will attack them. Also, u'll know if something is wrong with them. Gliders make a lot of sound,sometimes when they bark or cry it's important to check on them. Keeping them in will make sure that u can attend to them immedietely rather than to notice it the next morning when u r awake. That's too late.

I agree on feeding them crickets and mealworms too. Closer to what they have in the wild. U can give them pinkies too. Crickets and mealworm aren't really that gross. If u fry them, u can eat them too. A very good source of protien. I had them when i was in Thailand, they taste like chips. HEhe.

As for the pee n poo part, when they are awake let them stay in the cage for half an hour. Most of the time they'll do their business first thing when they wake up. After they are done, u can play with them but be ready with a piece of tissue to wipe off some marking. Nothing much to worry actually.
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true.. as shown in national geographic also, the amount of protein in the meal worm is double compared to beef (weight to weight).. and when he cooked them, it tastes good smile.gif

i keep a tarantula also, and i'm afraid of crickets... so i feed meal worms! actually i'm scared of mealie, so dont really touch them also.. i use a spoon..biggrin.gif lama lama i think i will juz grab them with my bare hands
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QUOTE(siokjinlim @ Mar 6 2008, 06:52 PM)
true.. as shown in national geographic  also, the amount of protein in the meal worm is double compared to beef (weight to weight).. and when he cooked them, it tastes good smile.gif

i keep a tarantula also, and i'm afraid of crickets... so i feed meal worms! actually i'm scared of mealie, so dont really touch them also.. i use a spoon..biggrin.gif lama lama i think i will juz grab them with my bare hands
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I dun think u need to touch the mealworm in order to feed them. My other glider Twinkle is a WC glider, she goes into the 'kill' mode when i try to feed her mealworm. So my just use a chopstick to feed her lo. Else my finger also get a taste of the sharp teeth.OUCH! laugh.gif
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just got joey SG today.
a female 1.
not name yet.
it from home breeder..
went i got it, it tame already.
so happy
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the jamz.. can tell me u bought from who?? u making me jealous le cry.gif
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the jamz.. can tell me u bought from who?? u making me jealous le cry.gif
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huhu..
from a home breeder..
i'll PM u his phone no.
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but dunno still available or not..
he can answer all about SG. thumbup.gif
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I really should puasa from visiting pets wonderland hehe. now i want some ferrets and a budgie and a hotot rabbit and fat tailed gerbils.

My dream is to open a pet supply store at my parents hometown that sells pet supplies, not pets. the pets in the store will be ALL MINE! MUAHAHAHA~

If people wants them I can maybe help them find a responsible breeder...

But thats actually a plan for a distance future. So no need to start dreaming now sad.gif.
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guys...u got see any finger monkey ar in pet safari ?

haha..got 1 la..fren of mine saw it...

haiyorrr..pening lah...my cage too big n dunno wat to put...

now can see that my 2 suggies more active..if not...selalu tidur..

now can see them playing here n there..jumping here n there
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huhu so cute little suggie..
i take her our in her pouch while she sleeping..
then put her beside me while i using computer..
she sleep like a log tiba-tiba she crab at me..
i dont know y..
give her a meatworm, she ate it than continue her sleep..
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today's my first time touching a sugar glider in the office @@ darn cute the big round eyes!!
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Look at this!!!
Haha, i went to a breeder to check for gliders.
He showed me his his white tipped glider!!
First time i saw it.
Sorry for the unclear picture.
Only have a camera phone to capture it.
Bad one summore.
Just feel like sharing.
Dun ask, he's not selling it.
He's got 3 white tipped.
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wah, you can just take your suggie out while she's sleeping?? she wont wake up and be grumpy ??? if i touch my ham ham while she's sleeping, she'll wake up and will snap snap at my fingers tongue.gif
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QUOTE(siokjinlim @ Mar 7 2008, 06:35 PM)
wah, you can just take your suggie out while she's sleeping?? she wont wake up and be grumpy ??? if i touch my ham ham while she's sleeping, she'll wake up and will snap snap at my fingers tongue.gif
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Normally they'll crab if they are not bonded to u.
But if u r in the bonding process, u should try and hold ur joey when they are asleep.
They will eventually sleep in the warmth of ur hand.
That way they'll be bonded to u.
Take the bite, they just nip.
During they day they won't be so aggresive.
Half asleep ma

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QUOTE(siokjinlim @ Mar 7 2008, 06:35 PM)
wah, you can just take your suggie out while she's sleeping?? she wont wake up and be grumpy ??? if i touch my ham ham while she's sleeping, she'll wake up and will snap snap at my fingers tongue.gif
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my hammie also like that..
will nip when touch them went they r sleeping..


ermm..
r gliders had dream??
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QUOTE(thejamz @ Mar 7 2008, 07:06 PM)
my hammie also like that..
will nip when touch them went they r sleeping..
ermm..
r gliders had dream??
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LOL!
They are different la, when bonded gliders dun nip anymore.
Mine will just sleep even if i disturb her.
Either that or she'll wanna play when she sees me.

I dunno if they do dream. laugh.gif
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Look at this!!!
Haha, i went to a breeder to check for gliders.
He showed me his his white tipped glider!!
First time i saw it.
Sorry for the unclear picture.
Only have a camera phone to capture it.
Bad one summore.
Just feel like sharing.
Dun ask, he's not selling it.
He's got 3 white tipped.
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beautiful.. id love to have one.


Added on March 7, 2008, 7:49 pm
QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 6 2008, 12:22 PM)
I'm also in the midst of thinking how to make my bigger cage more "filled up".... but cage not with me yet LOL.... most likely I will use ropes coz Kiah and Kapi like to walk and hang on their ropes.

My cage is not big enough. Is the normal RM100 cage from pet safari lah but it is so filled up with stuff! A friend saw my cage, she said my cage looks like a circus hahahah....
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my glider like the rope too! itll make a good climbing thingy.

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QUOTE(thejamz @ Mar 7 2008, 06:08 PM)
huhu so cute little suggie..
i take her our in her pouch while she sleeping..
then put her beside me while i using computer..
she sleep like a log tiba-tiba she crab at me..
i dont know y..
give her a meatworm, she ate it than continue her sleep..
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sudden movements?? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 7 2008, 08:26 PM)
sudden movements?? hmm.gif
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i think she got a nite mare la.. tongue.gif
so scare than pee in her pouch..
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 7 2008, 06:35 PM)
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Look at this!!!
Haha, i went to a breeder to check for gliders.
He showed me his his white tipped glider!!
First time i saw it.
Sorry for the unclear picture.
Only have a camera phone to capture it.
Bad one summore.
Just feel like sharing.
Dun ask, he's not selling it.
He's got 3 white tipped.
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Wahh.... something new drool.gif

If I had them, I won't even sell them heheheh.... cute things.

Anyway, here is Kiah, posing....

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just wandering..
how much can a joey eat per day..
my Ecah (just got a name) eat nun stop...
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WHERE TO GET THE WHITE TIP..

WANT 1....SIGHHH
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QUOTE(buttercup07 @ Mar 8 2008, 12:19 AM)
WHERE TO GET THE WHITE TIP..

WANT 1....SIGHHH
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haha, if can get it i'm the first to book la.
not for sale...sigh.
maybe after a few year when he got more
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wah... wondering, whats a suggie's main diet ? and they say have to always put dry food in the cage in case suggie gets hungry, what food is it to put??

easy, juz celup the end of their tail into Nippon White biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(siokjinlim @ Mar 8 2008, 12:45 AM)
wah... wondering, whats a suggie's main diet ? and they say have to always put dry food in the cage in case suggie gets hungry, what food is it to put??

easy, juz celup the end of their tail into Nippon White biggrin.gif
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fresh fruits, acacis gum, eucalyptus, insects...many more-in the wild i mean
hmm...i usually take my glider with during the day.
i do observe them when they r in the cage but they rarely eat during the day except for my older glider.
She's just weird.
So normally i leave some fruits n bread for her.

Dip in nippon white?
lol! might as well we make some rainbow coloured gliders then?
LOL

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where did he get it btw?

u got ask?
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QUOTE(buttercup07 @ Mar 8 2008, 12:57 AM)
where did he get it btw?

u got ask?
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came from one of the wild caught glider i suppose.

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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 6 2008, 06:43 PM)
I wouldn't recommend keeping them outside. That will exposed them to thunder, cars, bikes, cats, dog.. too long to list them down. However, there are lots of benefits if u keep them in ur house. They'll get used to ur smell, the voices of ur family member, u need not worry if other animals will attack them. Also, u'll know if something is wrong with them. Gliders make a lot of sound,sometimes when they bark or cry it's important to check on them. Keeping them in will make sure that u can attend to them immedietely rather than to notice it the next morning when u r awake. That's too late.
This part i totally 110% agreed! I knew about KC's leg was becouse CK keep on barking at me. At 4am!
Tho his sumtimes a crabby n bitey joey, i love him so2 much coz he's so clever n know that i'd tend to KC asap if he can woke me up. And HE DID! notworthy.gif

QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 7 2008, 06:35 PM)
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Look at this!!!
Haha, i went to a breeder to check for gliders.
He showed me his his white tipped glider!!
First time i saw it.
Sorry for the unclear picture.
Only have a camera phone to capture it.
Bad one summore.
Just feel like sharing.
Dun ask, he's not selling it.
He's got 3 white tipped.
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Wah so comey! But i wudnt even trade my joeys for this one. (Add, dun know yet, heheh) If these two joeys of mine live up to become a very healthy n long live suggies, i'll be more than bless already!

QUOTE(thejamz @ Mar 7 2008, 06:08 PM)
huhu so cute little suggie..
i take her our in her pouch while she sleeping..
then put her beside me while i using computer..
she sleep like a log tiba-tiba she crab at me..
i dont know y..
give her a meatworm, she ate it than continue her sleep..
sweat.gifsweat.gif
QUOTE(thejamz @ Mar 7 2008, 07:06 PM)
my hammie also like that..
will nip when touch them went they r sleeping..
ermm..
QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 7 2008, 07:26 PM)
LOL!
They are different la, when bonded gliders dun nip anymore.
Mine will just sleep even if i disturb her.
Either that or she'll wanna play when she sees me.
I dunno if they do dream. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(thejamz @ Mar 7 2008, 08:36 PM)
i think she got a nite mare la.. tongue.gif
so scare than pee in her pouch..
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personally, i think they do dream. becoz sumtimes they bark during sleep. or sumtimes they woke up and bark continuously until we pat them back to sleep. mst have a very bad dream. they maybe want sum reassurance that they are safe. heheh...me think la...tongue.gif rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 7 2008, 10:38 PM)
Anyway, here is Kiah, posing....

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Both Kat n Kiah so cute2 one...Comey kiah dlm cup tuh.... wub.gif

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Now its 10.40am and both KC n CK is out and about exploring my workstation. They havent sleep since 8.30am just now. Must know that they wudnt be coming here anymo soon. So must make the most of their time (n left their 'mark' summore - their way of telling 'I WAS HERE'). tongue.gif

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Lat night Teddy was able to eat while in my palms! SO ADORABLE! Usually he takes it then goes to a corner to eat it! I guess the bonding process is going on well biggrin.gif.
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Lat night Teddy was able to eat while in my palms! SO ADORABLE! Usually he takes it then goes to a corner to eat it! I guess the bonding process is going on well biggrin.gif.
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rclxms.gif gud goodie goodie!!
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can never get enuff of cute suggie pics...smile.gif
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rclxms.gif gud goodie goodie!!
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post pics of that adorable ted of urs..smile.gif
can never get enuff of cute suggie pics...smile.gif
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Slurp!? EVERY glider lurves them!
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today my 1st day go to work tongue.gif
so i oso bring my Ecah.
i got a job at puduraya, selling tiket la whistling.gif
but their room so cold, so need to put ecah under my cloth..
me oso frozen there.

so if anyone want ask 4 tiket can contact me la. blush.gif
but need 2 pay more.. haha
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Added on March 8, 2008, 9:56 pmi decorated my gliders cage with a lot of hanging toys...
i notice she just walks from one to another rather than trying to jump around... hmm... should i take out some of the toys? or is it behaving in such a way because she does not have enough space to glide...

i will buy her a bigger cage if the cage now is not big enough to make her feel comfortable...

anyway, my friend gave me the cage for my glider... it is used as a bird cage last time... i spend my time washing it the whole afternoon and i sprayed clorox on the cage to kill whatever bacteria is there... i'm not sure if it works but i just go ahead and do it for peace of mind....

the cage is white in color, but i brought it to my friends shop (one who deals with iron and metals) and asked him to spray it black for me...

joan, i think this is the same cage i wanted to get from you...
but it is white in color... it has the same big and small door at the front...
well, not too sure, but my glider is still not comfortable in the new cage...
will post up pictures later...

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my joey is acting funny... well, i think so...
when i leave her alone, she will stay at the same spot till i come back...
i normally put her back in the cage on her toy or on my chair...
she would just sit there without moving.... (and off i go for a smoke outside my living room) and when i return, she would be in the same position... hmmm....


Added on March 8, 2008, 10:22 pmHun, my glider prefer your mix than mealworms... argh...!!!
but thanks for providing such tantalizing food for everyone's glider..

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woah, long time didnt come up here, progress so fast, way to go...
how's everybody suggies...

ggming, like the last pictuer of your sg, like doing hand stand, dunk inside bowl dunno find wat... lol

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KP n Hun

i gave d food that i get free from pet safari...gosh..scary lah

i gave only 2 small piece..1 each..see them eat...like can make their gigi

patah...d food is kinda hard..aiya..d guys that day gave me 2 choice..

1 is d one i took 1 more is smaller size..but d ingredients not that scary lah..

got turkey, chicken, rice n bla bla bla..this wan got kangaroo..

lol...should i stop giving them that food ? or maybe 2 piece each everyday


Added on March 9, 2008, 5:32 amKP, where to get d fleece materials ?

wanna ask my mom to do

http://www.suzsugargliders.com/nosewaccessories.htm

for the new empty cage...

and btw..today i bought a tali..something like d tali penyidai material

but smaller...when i put inside d cage...both of them gigit2 d stuff...

is it okay ? or its dangerous ? should i or should i not put it

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nvmind la..can train them practice their teeth lol..
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my furkids getting into adolescent already i guess doh.gif
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woah, long time didnt come up here, progress so fast, way to go...
how's everybody suggies...

ggming, like the last pictuer of your sg, like doing hand stand, dunk inside bowl dunno find wat... lol
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QUOTE(buttercup07 @ Mar 9 2008, 05:29 AM)
KP n Hun

i gave d food that i get free from pet safari...gosh..scary lah

i gave only 2 small piece..1 each..see them eat...like can make their gigi

patah...d food is kinda hard..aiya..d guys that day gave me 2 choice..

1 is d one i took 1 more is smaller size..but d ingredients not that scary lah..

got turkey, chicken, rice n bla bla bla..this wan got kangaroo..

lol...should i stop giving them that food ? or maybe 2 piece each everyday
Probably you are aware of the discussion on this subject in the 8-10 section..


Added on March 9, 2008, 5:32 am
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KP, where to get d fleece materials ?

wanna ask my mom to do

http://www.suzsugargliders.com/nosewaccessories.htm

for the new empty cage...

and btw..today i bought a tali..something like d tali penyidai material

but smaller...when i put inside d cage...both of them gigit2 d stuff...

is it okay ? or its dangerous ? should i or should i not put it
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Thanks for the link, i have noted it as the accessories are very creative, it will be my next year project. Currently i'm working on my cage project this year.

Have missed almost 10 sections and just gone through it. Last week i was occupied with upgrading my marine tank which have acquired some satisfaction.
Referring to the cost of keeping sugar gliders previously, it's considered much reasonable as compared with guinea pigs and marine.
The maintenace cost for guinea cost from RM150-200, marine and together with planted tank cost more than RM 100 per month.

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Nezu need to come here and photograph my suggie too la macam ni! pretty pictures!
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heheh but the pic abit blur blur..
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tis is worth waking up at 3am man....... gadget sitting & enjoying his b'fast....
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cut the apple into smaller pieces, so he can hold it. they would prefer it that way tongue.gif

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QUOTE(nezumitaro @ Mar 10 2008, 01:14 AM)
heheh but the pic abit blur blur..
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Haha you guys are poisoning people with cute pics. Lemme do the same then tongue.gif

Ooooo webcam with strangers~
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This was baby chiwek when I babysit him, now he's a full grown man glider.
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QUOTE(ayiesz @ Mar 10 2008, 07:37 AM)
cut the apple into smaller pieces, so he can hold it. they would prefer it that way tongue.gif
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i've tried but he ignores the smaller pieces... he very greedy wan javascript:emoticon(':drool:') see big piece straight away run & hug it wif the face saying "MINE!!!! ALL MINE!!!! HAHAHA.... javascript:emoticon(':stars:')
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wub.gif a few more pics of my glider... jo-eee wub.gif
and the mansion...

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Neutered male glider for adoption. Age around 9 to 11 months. Not too friendly due to lack of handling from previous owner but can be bonded to.

Adoption fee due to neutering applies.



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Everyone posting pics of their gliders...
I wanna post too!!
Introducing...Celestial & Cassie at 16 days OOP
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 10 2008, 06:19 PM)
Everyone posting pics of their gliders...
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so jelez la..
u all's sg very2 cute thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(thejamz @ Mar 10 2008, 09:46 PM)
so jelez la..
u all's sg very2 cute thumbup.gif
must post my Ecah photo some day
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hun's suggie..

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tis is worth waking up at 3am man....... gadget sitting & enjoying his b'fast....
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Is that Gadget your glider, saramic? I thought a gadget, a device. haha


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Haha you guys are poisoning people with cute pics. Lemme do the same then tongue.gif

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This quite spectacular action by your glider, suiteng..
now, you're posting pix more poisonous than mercury and arsenic..haha
Hello, baby chiwek..


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wub.gif a few more pics of my glider... jo-eee wub.gif
and the mansion...
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I wonder what's the thing that resembling ular sawa in your cage that lil jo-eee hanging on to? ggMEng..

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Is that Gadget your glider, saramic? I thought a gadget, a device. haha


hehehe... was thinking of a name for him then suddenly the inspector gadget theme song popped into my mind...
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hehehe... was thinking of a name for him then suddenly the inspector gadget theme song popped into my mind...
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easy way 2 get name ar.. blush.gif

i think hard 2 get a name 4 Ecah
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Introducing Ada! The cock eyed glider!

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Their eyes are so big that we hardly will realized if they are cocked-eye or not.
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when they got super hyperactive, it's kinda sign they wanna sleep doh.gif
why is it like that? have to put them in the cage so they can crawl into their pouch, else end up biting me tongue.gif doh.gif
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Maybe they're tired or sleepy, so they get grumpy. My Billie's something like that, but she doesn't bite me very hard. She bites other ppl though, when she's grumpy. Bit Hun and KP during the Petster gathering.

Miko jumped on someone while they were trying to touch her. Didn't get a favourable response from the parents after the boy tried to shake her off.

Actually, it's easy to see if they're cocked eyed or not, especially with big eyes. Not all gliders have big eyes. So far the glider with the biggest eyes I've ever seen are Miko's. Ada's really are cocked. tongue.gif

This is an old pic of Miko.

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I wonder what's the thing that resembling ular sawa in your cage that lil jo-eee hanging on to? ggMEng..
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thats actually a soft toy... a Ular Sawa Soft toy...
let my joey jump here and there on the toy...
ehehehe....
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Hahaha... Foo caught Kiah stoning on my arm while nibbling on a piece of dried guava.

Miko has these super big hypnotic eyes that I feel like poking them LOL....

KP, Reanne, ggMing, jtl and I were at the Petster's magazine launch. Kinda not bad coz we gotta educate MANY people on sugar gliders. I was super pissed when 1 guy with his family came up to me and was saying
"Hey, mine died in 3 months hahahaah"

I was like.... what!? How can? He said it was playful and all, but died 1 day like a piece of stone.... er.... that's not nice to hear rite? That guy was laughing away.... saying petshop told him to feed only apples. That's why it died loh.... for a joey, what nutrition would it be getting by eating only apples?

Anyway, the aim was to introduce glider products to people with gliders and also to educate people who do not know what gliders are. Quite good lah, we all talked till throat dry heheheh. Kiah gave me scary arms coz of her claws but she was very sweet to pose with anyone who wanted a pic. But pity her coz when I reached home, she and Kapi were so tired till don't even wanna eat dinner.

Not bad lah, got many people willing to learn. But there was one who kept telling me that we should release them into the wild coz they are wild animals....
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Yeah, one of my band mates said I'm not helping the environment since I keep protected animals..
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wahaha... brought my glider went fishing yesterday...
she was all the time on her fav. tree...

well, good news, i'm not afraid of crabbing already..!!!

woot!!!
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New set up for Miko and Dakota with ropes and KP's hammock, tunnel and Zzz pouch set.

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QUOTE(Reanne @ Mar 11 2008, 07:25 PM)
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u fit 2 sg inside that cage?eh..y no running wheel?
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They dont know how to use, I bought a wodent wheel for them but all they did was pee and poo on it, not even in it.

They were in a much bigger white cage, but they seemed uncomfortable with the open space though they lived in it for more than 2 months, so put them back in Miko's old cage. Now they seem to be more comfortable.

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i see a miaw having a peek at them biggrin.gif

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lol.. the long pointy ears... i also thought it was a miaw at first tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Reanne @ Mar 11 2008, 10:06 PM)
They dont know how to use, I bought a wodent wheel for them but all they did was pee and poo on it, not even in it.
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Same thing happened to my glider. They dunno how to use it. Maybe because the are from the wilds, never seen such thing. Can't even train them for that. Took it out after a few weeks. They just pee on it like u said.
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Lol, but my glider's not wild, and she too doesn't know how to use.
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Hehe... Just finish trimming Teddy's nails. You guys were right. Once the glider had becomes tamer and friendlier to us, its easier to trim their nails. Teddy doesnt even struggle. I of course rasuah him with mealworms coated with Hun's mixs XD.


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ahh i trim my suggie nails too last week after i ask for some advise =D manage to find guts to slowly cut the nails....

anyway guys... how much of egg is too much when i feed it to my suggie... n how often should i not feed it...

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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 12 2008, 12:10 AM)
Can't even train them for that. Took it out after a few weeks. They just pee on it like u said.
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Actually if you really want them to learn and use the wheel, just leave it in their cage for as long as it takes.

I did with mine and he finally learnt how to use it after a months plus.

Some will know how to use it immediately, some will take a few weeks and some will take a few months wink.gif

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anyway guys... how much of egg is too much when i feed it to my suggie... n how often should i not feed it...
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My gliders don't take egg like that.

The egg source is included in their mix.

1 tub of mix usually contains 1 or 2 eggs in it. Since mine is the bigger tupperware, feeding for 4 monster for 1 month, I use 2 eggs.

If feeding by it's own, I think it should be sparingly, like 3-4 times a week...

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There you go.. Benben on wheels. I just put the wheel in and he start running jumping tongue.gif


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wow..very cute like jumping tat way tongue.gif oh NO!!!! poison is killing me...I have to resist...

crazymouse...how long do I need to wait if im in the waiting list?
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QUOTE(bonai @ Mar 11 2008, 05:23 PM)
Yeah, one of my band mates said I'm not helping the environment since I keep protected animals..
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But sugar gliders aren't really that bad.... they are protected in Australia....

Alot of places keep gliders but need permits or license. Some states in US do not allow gliders.

http://www.sugarglider.com/gliderpedia/index.asp?Laws

QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 11 2008, 06:14 PM)
wahaha... brought my glider went fishing yesterday...
she was all the time on her fav. tree...

well, good news, i'm not afraid of crabbing already..!!!

woot!!!
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Wah.... so did she catch any fishes? LOL tongue.gif

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Now ur cage looks like a circus hahahaah.... I want those ropes....

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Ai, so cute. The 2 male joeys with me now. So adorable... will take pictures later.

QUOTE(emino @ Mar 12 2008, 12:13 AM)
Hehe... Just finish trimming Teddy's nails. You guys were right. Once the glider had becomes tamer and friendlier to us, its easier to trim their nails. Teddy doesnt even struggle. I of course rasuah him with mealworms coated with Hun's mixs XD.


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Teddy Teddy.... he was never a crabber since he was a tiny joey. I found him very laid back and so very quiet for a joey hahahah.... you can do whatever with him and he won't really make a fuss.

Not all gliders like nail trimming.... now my Kiah and Kapi hates me whenever I trim their nails.

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wow..very cute like jumping tat way  tongue.gif oh NO!!!! poison is killing me...I have to resist...

crazymouse...how long do I need to wait if im in the waiting list?
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It's long.... gotta wait. Anyway, wait lah.
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Can't wait for the gathering.... haih...

Like King Jullian in Madagascar, i'd say...
Lets keep on Move it Move it... !!!!
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QUOTE(Reanne @ Mar 11 2008, 11:02 PM)
Miaw? lol

That's a dog leh.
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Glider and hamster hehehehe... old pic but always fun to see this.
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QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ Mar 12 2008, 09:33 AM)
My gliders don't take egg like that.

The egg source is included in their mix.

1 tub of mix usually contains 1 or 2 eggs in it. Since mine is the bigger tupperware, feeding for 4 monster for 1 month, I use 2 eggs.

If feeding by it's own, I think it should be sparingly, like 3-4 times a week...

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Hope that one day you will teach us how to make a mix like yours..
I'm very interested to learn to make one myself..

Is it mixing the ingredients in a blender and then refrigerate?
How long will a tub last as fruits won't be fresh in long term isn't it?

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Glider and hamster hehehehe... old pic but always fun to see this.
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Hey, they are like chatty old-time friends..
how can they communicate? Glider crabs and hamster chattering away..
The white hamster is cute, so pure white..

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this is where I got to sleep just because i did not take any fruits
and finished up my GliderSlurp... doh.gif

P/S: Hun, i hate you for that GliderSlurp. flex.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif




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Hahahaa..... So cute. biggrin.gif
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u put in the ropes is it okay ?

coz mine..both of them..i put in ropes...but something smaller than urs..

something like that rope where we use to sidai our kain...

i put in...they dont play it..they bite it...scared la if something happen ka


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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 12 2008, 07:36 PM)
Teddy Teddy.... he was never a crabber since he was a tiny joey. I found him very laid back and so very quiet for a joey hahahah.... you can do whatever with him and he won't really make a fuss.

Not all gliders like nail trimming.... now my Kiah and Kapi hates me whenever I trim their nails.
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Just got myself some rope and did this for my glider...
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Won't the glider attack the hamsters?
I don't dare house them together.
Under my supervision it's ok.
Maybe cos my glider is wild, so they have the instinct to kill.
They kill my iguana before.
Don't dare house any other animals with them.

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It really depends on the glider. That glider gets along with hamsters but like my Billie, she'll attack. My first glider, Pickles, used to go into my hamster's tank and steal peanuts and sunflower seeds. The hamsters came up to him and sniffed, making faces like 'What the.....?', but he ignored them and chomped away.
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My Kiah would kill and eat baby mice (pinkies) but when it comes to hamsters.... nothing.... more interested in the sun flower seeds. I don't put them together, last time Kiah would visit my hamster every night by herself.....
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Hun, what about gerbils? Hehe...
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LOL, I never tried gerbils.... coz not in my room hahahah.

Anyway, my gliders just moved into their new big cage. Hhahah.... now can put more stuff.
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today met with hun at jtl's place tongue.gif
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hun, the new mix is thicker i guess biggrin.gif

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Yups heheheh. New and improved.
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Any of you guys will be at the pet event at MidValley? I'm hoping that I can find time to go. This weekend so busy ler. Company kursus at a hotel on Saturday and Sunday, Carnival Comic and Games at BB, and now this pet event.

If any of you guys go maybe I can squeeze some time into my schedule. Wanna meet up with fellow suggie owners!

EDIT: Friday after work should be a great time for me I think. Anyone of you guys will be there on Friday?

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huh, you mean you dont put kiah back into the cage at night??
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Hai Reanne.... Anyway thanks a lot again because help me give a information to take care underage joeys and inform to Hun. but they really...............young.
And Hun thanks a lot for that joeys milk.
Here their pictures, dont u think they really in trouble... they should still in pouch isnt it?
I try my best to help them but I'm sorry if they cant make it sad.gif , I confident they will survive smile.gif until now I still can handle it, Everytime I always monitor them and they look quite active. hahaha..
Now my friends give them both to me, if they survive I will hav 3 sugar glider inlcuding my joey that with Hun, never expect I will rear 3 sugar glider this fast. smile.gif
I think that joeys, one male one female.
I hope what I'm doing is right is there any deficiency taking care of them, please tell me.

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Wow, they are so tiny. Luckily you manage to care for them. Poor things. Yes, luckily I brought in the glider milk thanks to a friend here. This is why I brought the milk, to help other owners who have underage joeys.....

I hope they grow well. Update us on their progress.
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 14 2008, 01:23 AM)
Wow, they are so tiny. Luckily you manage to care for them. Poor things. Yes, luckily I brought in the glider milk thanks to a friend here. This is why I brought the milk, to help other owners who have underage joeys.....

I hope they grow well. Update us on their progress.
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Ok I will. U know what , difficult to rub their stomach becoz their skin sticky and they are very tiny.
This early morning, I give them drink, but they not drink a lot as usual, maybe they still not hungry.

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You can try to get the heating pad by Exotera, they sell it in pets family, would make it a lot easier. Or you can try getting those temperature control for aquariums and do a double tank, one in a tank with water and the device will warm the water. But I think the heating pad is a lot safer and easier to use.

Whoaa.... They're.... really sooo young, first time see such youngens. Hope they will survive. Keep up the good work! Can try the light brown soft nylon brushes, shouldn't stick to the skin easily because it's very soft and fine. Also, it's good to give them a soft toy to sleep with, a small one will do, like a substitute mom. Can get some warm material like fleece and make into a small pouch for them to cuddle together in while over the warmed area, like a substitute mommy's pouch, but make it so they can breathe with no problems inside, best to keep the pouch open.

This site may be helpful

http://www.suzsugargliders.com/handraisingajoey.htm

PS to others : Do not take this as OK to get under aged joeys. Just cuz there's a way to do it doesn't mean you should do it. This info is to help those of which joeys have been abandoned or whose mother has died.

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what happen to d mommy ?

gosh..so small..aiya..so kesian some more...hurmm..

this one approx how old ?
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what happen to d mommy ?

gosh..so small..aiya..so kesian some more...hurmm..

this one approx how old ?
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Their mommy died because of old age. My friend just have one female and the rest are male.
Everytime my fren SG reproduce.. they always got male just once female birth year ago, but my fren already sale the female.
She don know how to take care joeys without their mum, so I take the responsibilty.

She said that joeys two weeks old.


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You can try to get the heating pad by Exotera, they sell it in pets family, would make it a lot easier. Or you can try getting those temperature control for aquariums and do a double tank, one in a tank with water and the device will warm the water. But I think the heating pad is a lot safer and easier to use.

Whoaa.... They're.... really sooo young, first time see such youngens. Hope they will survive. Keep up the good work! Can try the light brown soft nylon brushes, shouldn't stick to the skin easily because it's very soft and fine. Also, it's good to give them a soft toy to sleep with, a small one will do, like a substitute mom. Can get some warm material like fleece and make into a small pouch for them to cuddle together in while over the warmed area, like a substitute mommy's pouch, but make it so they can breathe with no problems inside, best to keep the pouch open.

This site may be helpful

http://www.suzsugargliders.com/handraisingajoey.htm

PS to others : Do not take this as OK to get under aged joeys. Just cuz there's a way to do it doesn't mean you should do it. This info is to help those of which joeys have been abandoned or whose mother has died.
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really thankful for another useful information and website for me... Thank u so much again Reanne.


Added on March 14, 2008, 9:11 am cry.gif sad.gif This morning I monitor them.... sadly one of them died. Her stomach inflated....
I'm really sorry... I try very hard to make sure they'r ok. After I gave drink, and relax them first then I rub their stomach.
Never expect this should be happen.. sad.gif really sorry..

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oh ,thats very sad.. i'm sorry to hear that... will pray on the survival of the other one smile.gif keep up the good work
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QUOTE(sharil_routh @ Mar 14 2008, 07:54 AM)
Their mommy died because of old age. My friend just have one female and the rest are male.
Everytime my fren SG reproduce.. they always got male just once female birth year ago, but my fren already sale the female.
She don know how to take care joeys without their mum, so I take the responsibilty.

She said that joeys two weeks old.


Added on March 14, 2008, 7:56 am
really thankful for another useful information and website for me... Thank u so much again Reanne.


Added on March 14, 2008, 9:11 am  cry.gif  sad.gif This morning I monitor them.... sadly one of them died. Her stomach inflated....
I'm really sorry... I try very hard to make sure they'r ok. After I gave drink, and relax them first then I rub their stomach.
Never expect this should be happen.. sad.gif really sorry..
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GOSH!!They are so so tiny. I don't think they should even be out of pouch yet. Poor souls, sorry for your loss. Try your best. My luck and prayers are with you. Hope the remaining one survives.
It must be hard, the joey die in ur hands. Don't be sorry, u've tried to help them. Be strong and take care of them as much as u can. We'll pray for you.
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Thank u so much.. I try my best. sad.gif
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QUOTE(sharil_routh @ Mar 14 2008, 12:21 PM)
Thank u so much.. I try my best. sad.gif
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Do keep us updated.
Cheer and all the best!
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yeah...do keep us updated...

hmm..how i wish both survive... sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif

but nvm...
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Today after jumaat pray, I'm rushing go to toy store to get soft toy for joey smile.gif . I hope I will find kangaroo one, becoz sure it have pouch, but not found.
And today I gave the milk that i bought from Hun.
Now he can lick by itself, first time I bring it home, he don know how to drink, so i follow what hun said to force it to drink by using syringe.
I hope this is my last care for underage joeys especially like this one, not because I cant do it but it really scare me every hour, every minute and every second of their life sad.gif except desperate situation.
I cant except when look at dead joey, it stomach like wanna blow.. shocking.gif when touch it just like baloon with air.

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My glider is bonded to me...
What makes you think your glider is bonded to you...
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If the stomach is bloated it may be because it's unable to pass urine and poo. You will need the brush, dip it in very warm water then dry it slightly on a towel and immediately stroke the glider's belly and under parts. A bit damp never mind, make sure the brush is warm, that's more important.
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oh i know... to stimulate and make the joey pee and poo.. i watched it on tv where they did it to pandas.. cos usually in the wild, the mum will lick and lick their babies' private parts to make them do it..

just wondering sifu, if the joey make it through.... will he lack immunity as he's nursed by a human, instead of its mother? will they fall sick easily??
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QUOTE(Reanne @ Mar 14 2008, 07:16 PM)
If the stomach is bloated it may be because it's unable to pass urine and poo. You will need the brush, dip it in very warm water then dry it slightly on a towel and immediately stroke the glider's belly and under parts. A bit damp never mind, make sure the brush is warm, that's more important.
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smile.gif Ok I will try dat way, coz before this I just use a little piece of tissue then dip into warm water, after that I rub their stomach after a couple minutes they eat.


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If the stomach is bloated it may be because it's unable to pass urine and poo. You will need the brush, dip it in very warm water then dry it slightly on a towel and immediately stroke the glider's belly and under parts. A bit damp never mind, make sure the brush is warm, that's more important.
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smile.gif Ok I will try dat way, coz before this I just use a little piece of tissue then dip into warm water, after that I rub their stomach after a couple minutes they eat.

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It may or may not develop immunities on it's own, but it will probably be smaller and it's immune system not as strong as other gliders.

Best not to breed if it survives.
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funny... went out happy hour and had a few pints of beer...
when i'm back home, (did not bring her out this time due to the fact that the place i'm going is pack with smokers) i took her out from her sleeping pouch and try to put her on me... she refuse to... and started crabbing...

she was like saying.... go away drunkard.. lol...
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lol...

Oh yea, I forgot to mention that its the watercolour paint brush, not the normal brush. Can get at art stores or the stationery section. I find that quite good but you can also use Q tips, the cotton buds to stroke.
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sugargliders belong in the wild~! cry.gif
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If we were to release SGs that already domesticated, i guess they can't survive at all.
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then stop adopting them to lower the demand, so that they won't sell em anymore sad.gif
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lol...

Oh yea, I forgot to mention that its the watercolour paint brush, not the normal brush. Can get at art stores or the stationery section. I find that quite good but you can also use Q tips, the cotton buds to stroke.
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hei reanne.. this joey can open his eyes but just the left one, is a good thing or bad thing?
If I use syringe he not drink a lot, its ok isnt it if i put the milk on my palm, and he will lick it?
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my Ecah escaped.. cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
not found yet..
i had closed all door n window..
any suggestion how to find escaped SG??

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Keep all the doors and windows closed. Look around outside to see if the glider went out. They will usually be hiding in the dark comfy places around the house. If it doesn't show up don't panic, wait until the following night, usually they are most active after 10pm. From 10pm to 4am it may appear as this is their most active time.

Don't give up and keep looking.

Harr?? Can open eyes d? That's very strange, this is a picture of joeys that are freshly oop, they won't even open their eyes until a week to 10 days oop.

http://www.glideruniversity.org/images/articles/sep121.jpg

7 to 10 days oop

http://www.glideruniversity.org/images/articles/openeyes.jpg

Very worrying leh, for it to open it's eyes so young.
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the one which died is female or male ?

d one surviving ?

take care of him or her yeah...keep us updated...
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QUOTE(Jyezze @ Mar 14 2008, 11:44 PM)
then stop adopting them to lower the demand, so that they won't sell em anymore sad.gif
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*sigh* why dont you say all these things to cats owners and dogs?
for your information, sugar gliders live longer and healthier in captivity, provided they had been with a good responsible owner.

if by adopting an animal would helped raised his lifespan and securing his health, I would adopt any animals in a heartbeat, provided I have sufficient knowledge, equipment, time and money to take care of them.

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QUOTE(Reanne @ Mar 15 2008, 04:50 AM)
Keep all the doors and windows closed. Look around outside to see if the glider went out. They will usually be hiding in the dark comfy places around the house. If it doesn't show up don't panic, wait until the following night, usually they are most active after 10pm. From 10pm to 4am it may appear as this is their most active time.

Don't give up and keep looking.

Harr?? Can open eyes d? That's very strange, this is a picture of joeys that are freshly oop, they won't even open their eyes until a week to 10 days oop.

http://www.glideruniversity.org/images/articles/sep121.jpg

7 to 10 days oop

http://www.glideruniversity.org/images/articles/openeyes.jpg

Very worrying leh, for it to open it's eyes so young.
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He not fully open , open just like wake up from sleep.

Ya ...if u worry, I am more worry, one I can do , not give up. smile.gif


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the one which died is female or male ?

d one surviving ?

take care of him or her yeah...keep us updated...
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The female one died, and male survive.

yah.. don worry about that I always monitor him. smile.gif

Thanks blush.gif

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QUOTE(thejamz @ Mar 15 2008, 12:34 AM)
my Ecah escaped..  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
not found yet..
i had closed all door n window..
any suggestion how to find escaped SG??
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If I may add, leave the cage door open. Prepare her favourite food and leave it in there as well. Most gliders feel safe in their cages. Some will instinctively climb back in for shelter. The presence of water and food is major attraction when a glider is hungry. Keep the area around the cage dark at night so that she will feel that it is safer to move around.

Also don't forget to do a clean sweep check of every possible hideout. The more they are afraid or traumatized the harder they will try to hide. Look for possible glider signs like poo laying around places they shouldn't be. Check in pockets of your clothes hanging in the closet as well. Even locked desk drawers are no match for gliders(there's one glider named Noni who ingeniously thought of a way of climbing into locked drawers from behind, sliding thru a very slim cranny). Think of your glider as an intelligent little stowaway. There's a possibility for her to do anything.

If you suspect that there's a possibility that your glider escaped from your house. Try your best looking for them in all possible hideouts around your house. I'd suggest you start looking outside first. You don't have control over the environment out of your house. So it's best to start there.

The most important thing is not to panic. Do a systematic search area by area. Wish you the best of luck!


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QUOTE(rafiqos @ Mar 15 2008, 10:47 AM)
If I may add, leave the cage door open. Prepare her favourite food and leave it in there as well. Most gliders feel safe in their cages. Some will instinctively climb back in for shelter. The presence of water and food is major attraction when a glider is hungry. Keep the area around the cage dark at night so that she will feel that it is safer to move around.

Also don't forget to do a clean sweep check of every possible hideout. The more they are afraid or traumatized the harder they will try to hide. Look for possible glider signs like poo laying around places they shouldn't be. Check in pockets of your clothes hanging in the closet as well. Even locked desk drawers are no match for gliders(there's one glider named Noni who ingeniously thought of a way of climbing into locked drawers from behind, sliding thru a very slim cranny).  Think of your glider as an intelligent little stowaway. There's a possibility for her to do anything.

If you suspect that there's a possibility that your glider escaped from your house. Try your best looking for them in all possible hideouts around your house. I'd suggest you start looking outside first. You don't have control over the environment out of your house. So it's best to start there.

The most important thing is not to panic. Do a systematic search area by area. Wish you the best of luck!
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thankz alot..
i already found her last night..
i just left mealworm in her plate than wait..
after about a hour, i saw she already in her cage..
enjoying her mealworm.. sweat.gif
huhu

thankz 2 u all...
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QUOTE(thejamz @ Mar 15 2008, 12:34 AM)
my Ecah escaped..� cry.gif�� cry.gif�� cry.gif
not found yet..
i had closed all door n window..
any suggestion how to find escaped SG??
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Try and look in the shoe. I found my glider hiding there a when she escaped. IF possible, hang lots of pouches so they can sleep in when they are tired. Try and control so they dun escape outside, cos if they get to a tree...they'll climb as high as possible and they won't return. Good luck to u.


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QUOTE(thejamz @ Mar 15 2008, 11:12 AM)
thankz alot..
i already found her last night..
i just left mealworm in her plate than wait..
after about a hour, i saw she already in her cage..
enjoying her mealworm.. sweat.gif
huhu

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HAahaha, comgratulations.
Just saw the post this morning.

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QUOTE(thejamz @ Mar 15 2008, 11:12 AM)
thankz alot..
i already found her last night..
i just left mealworm in her plate than wait..
after about a hour, i saw she already in her cage..
enjoying her mealworm.. sweat.gif
huhu

thankz 2 u all...
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Good to hear!
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mealie saves the day biggrin.gif

i've made up my mind to get a suggie now smile.gif just 1 more question.. what is the best age of the joey, for me to get it? should be about 8 weeks old right? then how old for the joey to remain easy to tame and to get bonded to me? not older than 4 months ? 5 months?? i dont want to get too old , worry they're hard to tame... then susah lo sad.gif
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Just got myself some rope and did this for my glider...
hope she likes it...
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izzit possible ur sg falling down from the wodent wheel when they r playing with it?


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QUOTE(siokjinlim @ Mar 15 2008, 12:31 PM)
mealie saves the day biggrin.gif

i've made up my mind to get a suggie now smile.gif just 1 more question.. what is the best age of the joey, for me to get it? should be about 8 weeks old right? then how old for the joey to remain easy to tame and to get bonded to me? not older than 4 months ? 5 months?? i dont want to get too old , worry they're hard to tame... then susah lo sad.gif
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I guess the best age would be 10 weeks old. 8 weeks is the minimum age to separate them from their mother. If the joey is handled from young, it would be very easy to bond with them. Most will easily adapt to u. Only those that are not handled before requires more work. But joeys are considerably easy to bond.

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how about joeys from wild gliders? do they bond up easily
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Joeys from wild gliders are the same. If they are handled from young then it's ok. If not, then it's a bit wild. Still can bond but takes time. Not much difference in joeys actually. Only adults will be harder to bond.
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until how old they're considered easy to bond with, joeys? until when only they're considered young adults ???
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will parents from the wild transmit some kinda virus or anything to the joeys?cause alot of cheap wild caught glider which are for sale now & their job is just to breed for the seller.
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QUOTE(siokjinlim @ Mar 15 2008, 12:31 PM)
mealie saves the day biggrin.gif

i've made up my mind to get a suggie now smile.gif just 1 more question.. what is the best age of the joey, for me to get it? should be about 8 weeks old right? then how old for the joey to remain easy to tame and to get bonded to me? not older than 4 months ? 5 months?? i dont want to get too old , worry they're hard to tame... then susah lo sad.gif
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PetShack has got 1 male joey for sale if i'm not mistaken...
Very tame... never did hear him crab at all...
might be another TEDDY... ehehe...
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ggming how many glider do u currently have now?
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currently i have only 1 glider...
a joey...
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 15 2008, 07:08 PM)
currently i have only 1 glider...
a joey...
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a male joey?
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a male joey?
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wow..so small tht joey..hmm must takecare like that oo..waa baru nk breed my sg tongue.gif
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Actually, I think its better the gliders to be sold than to be kept irresponsibly.
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yeap yeap..I had pm her..ok dont rebut with me ok..

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QUOTE(emino @ Mar 15 2008, 09:28 PM)
Actually, I think its better the gliders to be sold than to be kept irresponsibly.
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ermm..
thats right..
but y she buy it if she know she cant keep it..
pity suggie...


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yeap yeap..I had pm her..ok dont rebut with me ok..
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huhu..
if u buy it..
hope u can take care it better than old owner..

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ermm..
thats right..
but y she buy it if she know she cant keep it..
pity suggie...


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huhu..
if u buy it..
hope u can take care it better than old owner..
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Be sure to ask guidance on checking up healthy suggies when buying, ask advices from masters here smile.gif.
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my one is a new born lar..i've already suggie mum n dad with me..its too many.dats why i want to sold it
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QUOTE(nads88 @ Mar 15 2008, 10:01 PM)
my one is a new born lar..i've already suggie mum n dad with me..its too many.dats why i want to sold it
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ok..so how old OOP how many you have there?what cage are included(the size) whats the price without cage?
do PM me on this.

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hi all, i was wondering if those mezzanine pieces comes with bird cages any use to gliders??? they seem to take up a lot of space, and i dont see my gliders jump from those mezzanine pieces...
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oh, goodluck newbie... me also lookin for my first glider smile.gif
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she dint reply me..duno how large is the cage

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I'd like to add AGAIN.... please do not discuss sales here. 1st warning for nads88.

About all this "no time to take care" or "too many gliders"... if you do know you won't have much time or space, then why get a male and female pair? Get a single sex pair lah, saves so much trouble. Their lifespan is like 10 years, they can go on breeding and breeding. So how? Sell again and again? Now there is an option to neuter.... so I hope you will think about neutering your male to stop making so many joeys that you do not want. There is always another option where you separate the female glider with her female joey and male glider with the male joey. 2 cages but then it stops the breeding..... As keepers we have to be responsible.... some would put excuses like "my pet horny" or "it needs sex".... this is not only with glider owners but also with hamsters, cats, dogs, rabbits and other pet owners who never thought about the outcome later on.


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hi all, i was wondering if those mezzanine pieces comes with bird cages any use to gliders??? they seem to take up a lot of space, and i dont see my gliders jump from those mezzanine pieces...
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what's that? The ramps?

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I'd like to add AGAIN.... please do not discuss sales here. 1st warning for nads88.

About all this "no time to take care" or "too many gliders"... if you do know you won't have much time or space, then why get a male and female pair? Get a single sex pair lah, saves so much trouble. Their lifespan is like 10 years, they can go on breeding and breeding. So how? Sell again and again? Now there is an option to neuter.... so I hope you will think about neutering your male to stop making so many joeys that you do not want. There is always another option where you separate the female glider with her female joey and male glider with the male joey. 2 cages but then it stops the breeding..... As keepers we have to be responsible.... some would put excuses like "my pet horny" or "it needs sex".... this is not only with glider owners but also with hamsters, cats, dogs, rabbits and other pet owners who never thought about the outcome later on.


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what's that? The ramps?
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yes, those ramps...
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QUOTE(siokjinlim @ Mar 15 2008, 03:26 PM)
until how old they're considered easy to bond with, joeys? until when only they're considered young adults ???
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I guess young adults would be around 6 months to a year? They are more rebelious, more like teenagers. I've only handled wild caught gliders and joeys between 3 months old to newborn. So i can't really tell u how's the temperament of the young adults. But it shouldn't be worse than wild caught gliders.


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will parents from the wild transmit some kinda virus or anything to the joeys?cause alot of cheap wild caught glider which are for sale now & their job is just to breed for the seller.
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That could be possible but we'll never know. That's y wild caught gliders dun live long (10-15 years)

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QUOTE(emino @ Mar 15 2008, 05:55 AM)
*sigh* why dont you say all these things to cats owners and dogs?
for your information, sugar gliders live longer and healthier in captivity, provided they had been with a good responsible owner.

if by adopting an animal would helped raised his lifespan and securing his health, I would adopt any animals in a heartbeat, provided I have sufficient knowledge, equipment, time and money to take care of them.
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i rest my case. impossible to convince all u sugi lovers
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Well, maybe its time we start domesticating gliders as well. The forest in the world are getting smaller and smaller day by day and sooner or later, when its too late baru nak save ape guna?

Like I said, domesticated gliders have a better life than the wild ones provided... whatever i typed before (too lazy to copy paste).
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If we do not support the suppliers and glider millers, then there will be less wild gliders used for breeding. Then those that we get as pets would be 100% captive bred and also no wild side.

There are so many animals here in this forum that should be left in the wild... snakes, tarantulas, scorpions, tortoises, terrapins... so why only point the finger to gliders? Also, gliders are not native animals so if we release them into our forest, is it wise and correct? Most likely the glider would starve, die from cold and also get eaten by our local civet cats.

Domestication takes a very very long time.... dogs and cats evolved that way. Gliders can adapt well and they do very well in captivity. We can't really put them on the list as a domesticated animal coz they are after all exotics.....

In US, there are so many people keeping gliders now, growing and growing. Many do see their potential to be very good pets. I would point fingers to people who keep kangaroos, koalas, tigers and primates as pets coz those really do not make good pets.

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yes, those ramps...
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You can leave one. My gliders like to sit and sometimes hop around.... but that's about it.
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hey guys... wat cause a suggie to hicups ? do they actually does... mine does... i dont know why sometimes it just do...

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wahahaha....
my glider yesterday bark at me but i never layan...
was playing with her from 1am till 2am, then when i leave her alone, she bark...

and she knows how to play with the wodent wheel already... woohoo...
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Hie everybody!!
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Cleaning up herself
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Their first jump!
They both did it, at 22 days OOP.
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wahahaha....
my glider yesterday bark at me but i never layan...
was playing with her from 1am till 2am, then when i leave her alone, she bark...

and she knows how to play with the wodent wheel already... woohoo...
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Hehe, they crave f6r attention.
Congrats on that!


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hey guys... wat cause a suggie to hicups ? do they actually does... mine does... i dont know why sometimes it just do...
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Mine does that too at times.
Dunno, maybe just like humans?

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Hie everybody!!
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They both did it, at 22 days OOP.
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Hehe, they crave f6r attention.
Congrats on that!


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Mine does that too at times.
Dunno, maybe just like humans?
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aiyoh... so cute la... wub.gif wub.gif

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I was watching Kiah on the wheel last night. Had to off the lights only she would run. LOL. Kapi still haven't run on it yet. She just hop around and climb around like a monkey in her cage.
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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Mar 17 2008, 04:51 PM)
jitshiong,how old is your joey now?
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THey are 22 days OOP.
Hehehe, cute leh?

Nononono...today they are 23 days OOP.
LOL rclxms.gif

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so cute la 2nd pic jitshiong haha.. ~
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QUOTE(hackerzx @ Mar 17 2008, 09:23 PM)
so cute la 2nd pic jitshiong haha.. ~
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I know!
And she keeps repeating the same action again and again.
But the leg is moving so fast it's hard to get a clear picture.
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ok...operation suggienap thumbup.gif location?road name?house number?
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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Mar 17 2008, 10:18 PM)
ok...operation suggienap� thumbup.gif location?road name?house number?
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U wanna suggienap the joeys?
But i'm in JB wor.
Haha

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LOL.... So cute.

Shoulda taken a video of Billie when she was young. Look so much like an angel but really a devil. She always scratch herself until she rolls over. Then she'll roll the other side and scratch her ear while rolling back the first side again. Sometimes roll head over heels.
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LOL.... So cute.

Shoulda taken a video of Billie when she was young. Look so much like an angel but really a devil. She always scratch herself until she rolls over. Then she'll roll the other side and scratch her ear while rolling back the first side again. Sometimes roll head over heels.
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It's so interesting and entertaining to watch them groom and play amongst themselves. All the stupid and funny actions.
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Hello all..long time have not logged in here.
By the way, my-last-time-half-naked-joey, Cheekoo, has now become a fluffy and healthy joey. Yeah! In fact his tail is more fluffier than Koochee's nowadays.

By the way, Shahril-routh i wish u all the bess n my prayers are with u and the joey!
Jitshiong, that joey of urs is so so adorable! smile.gif
And all suggie owners and lovers, lets go to the gathering this April!
And to all suggie gurus, reanne, hun, kp, rafiqos, silverwinues, jitshiong thank you so so much!

And to the person who wanted our suggies to go to the wild, im sorry...we dun agree with u. But u are still entitled to ur opinion and ours to ours. smile.gif so chill...hehehe...and u r invited to the gathering as well. Maybe we can change ur perception. Heheheh...

Will post pics later...daaa...

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QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 18 2008, 09:34 AM)
Hello all..long time have not logged in here.
By the way, my-last-time-half-naked-joey, Cheekoo, has now become a fluffy and healthy joey. Yeah! In fact his tail is more fluffier than Koochee's nowadays.

By the way, Shahril-routh i wish u all the bess n my prayers are with u and the joey!
Jitshiong, that joey of urs is so so adorable! smile.gif
And all suggie owners and lovers, lets go to the gathering this April!
And to all suggie gurus, reanne, hun, kp, rafiqos, silverwinues, jitshiong thank you so so much!

And to the person who wanted our suggies to go to the wild, im sorry...we dun agree with u. But u are still entitled to ur opinion and ours to ours. smile.gif so chill...hehehe...and u r invited to the gathering as well. Maybe we can change ur perception. Heheheh...

Will post pics later...daaa...
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Good to hear that Cheekoo is doing well. BTW, I don't even own a suggie, just help care for my gf's mischievous pair from time to time. sweat.gif So not a guru. LOL!
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QUOTE(rafiqos @ Mar 18 2008, 09:51 AM)
Good to hear that Cheekoo is doing well. BTW, I don't even own a suggie, just help care for my gf's mischievous pair from time to time. sweat.gif  So not a guru. LOL!
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also can la...hehehe.... thumbup.gif
u help us a lot too....


Added on March 18, 2008, 9:54 ambtw...im already in shah alam! yeah...april wil get a new cage for my suggies from jtl..smile.gif cant wait....

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last nite ecah bucking at me.. rclxms.gif
i thought it was just a dream.. hmm.gif
than i wake up n go near her cage..
than she quiet..
when i go back to my bed, she buck again... rclxub.gif

today already ponteng work.. tongue.gif
tired play whit Ecah....

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QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 18 2008, 09:34 AM)
Hello all..long time have not logged in here.
By the way, my-last-time-half-naked-joey, Cheekoo, has now become a fluffy and healthy joey. Yeah! In fact his tail is more fluffier than Koochee's nowadays.

By the way, Shahril-routh i wish u all the bess n my prayers are with u and the joey!
Jitshiong, that joey of urs is so so adorable! smile.gif
And all suggie owners and lovers, lets go to the gathering this April!
And to all suggie gurus, reanne, hun, kp, rafiqos, silverwinues, jitshiong thank you so so much!

And to the person who wanted our suggies to go to the wild, im sorry...we dun agree with u. But u are still entitled to ur opinion and ours to ours. smile.gif so chill...hehehe...and u r invited to the gathering as well. Maybe we can change ur perception. Heheheh...

Will post pics later...daaa...
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Glad to hear tha Cheekoo is doing well. With proper care and love they'll grow well. Lucky to have a lucky owner like u to care him.

Btw, i'm no guru la. Paiseh only, just sharing experience and love for gliders.

Hopefully i'll be able to attend the meeting.


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last nite ecah bucking at me.. rclxms.gif
i thought it was just a dream..  hmm.gif
than i wake up n go near her cage..
than she quiet..
when i go back to my bed, she buck again... rclxub.gif

today already ponteng work.. tongue.gif
tired play whit Ecah....
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Haha, that's a spoiled glider. Pamper her too much de. Purposely wake u up. U should ignore her so it won't become a habit. Else she'll wake u up in the middle of the night just to see u and get ur attention. Then u'll have sleepless nights. But do check on them when they bark. Sometimes it means something bad.

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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 18 2008, 11:40 AM)
Glad to hear tha Cheekoo is doing well. With proper care and love they'll grow well. Lucky to have a lucky owner like u to care him.

Btw, i'm no guru la. Paiseh only, just sharing experience and love for gliders.

Hopefully i'll be able to attend the meeting.


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Haha, that's a spoiled glider. Pamper her too much de. Purposely wake u up. U should ignore her so it won't become a habit. Else she'll wake u up in the middle of the night just to see u and get ur attention. Then u'll have sleepless nights. But do check on them when they bark. Sometimes it means something bad.
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Hehehe..n i forgot to update on Koochee..she's eating well n her leg is completely healed.

The nite of my bday, they bark n bark when i was playing with them...non stop...tho i was patting n shuuing them...
so i concluded, that's their bday wish to me...1st cheekoo on solo, then both of them together on chorus...
hahahha...

n when they bark, i'd usually go to see them for a while...see if things are ok, then i go back to sleep. they'll keep quiet after a while when i ignore them...
hehehe....
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 18 2008, 11:40 AM)
Haha, that's a spoiled glider. Pamper her too much de. Purposely wake u up. U should ignore her so it won't become a habit. Else she'll wake u up in the middle of the night just to see u and get ur attention. Then u'll have sleepless nights. But do check on them when they bark. Sometimes it means something bad.
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how can i ignore..
she so bising laa..
she only want 2 go out from her cage n play on my bed..
maybe so soft there.. tongue.gif
but she dont pee r poo on my bed rclxms.gif
maybe she know if she do that, no more treat for her...
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QUOTE(thejamz @ Mar 18 2008, 12:31 PM)
how can i ignore..
she so bising laa..
she only want 2 go out from her cage n play on my bed..
maybe so soft there.. tongue.gif
but she dont pee r poo on my bed rclxms.gif
maybe she know if she do that, no more treat for her...
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as time goes by, we'll learn to ignore the noise. hehhee...
cannot be totally ignored tho, becoz, they mite be a cry for help.
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Shahril-routh, if u r reading this, any update on ur joey?
How the's progress?
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Just got an SMS from KP. Gathering may go on after all hahahah.... wait for her update.

Meanwhile.... since there will be a pet expo at MidValley, anyone going?

I'll be there on the Saturday with my gliders. We can have a mini-get-together. Just a small gathering for us glider owners to mingle and also.... attract attention hahahah.

Come come. Who wanna go?
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 18 2008, 01:39 PM)
Just got an SMS from KP. Gathering may go on after all hahahah.... wait for her update.

Meanwhile.... since there will be a pet expo at MidValley, anyone going?

I'll be there on the Saturday with my gliders. We can have a mini-get-together. Just a small gathering for us glider owners to mingle and also.... attract attention hahahah.

Come come. Who wanna go?
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 18 2008, 01:39 PM)
Just got an SMS from KP. Gathering may go on after all hahahah.... wait for her update.

Meanwhile.... since there will be a pet expo at MidValley, anyone going?

I'll be there on the Saturday with my gliders. We can have a mini-get-together. Just a small gathering for us glider owners to mingle and also.... attract attention hahahah.

Come come. Who wanna go?
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Errmm...this Sat?
The time?
I'll be in Seremban, maybe can make a trip there.
What time u guys will be going?
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 18 2008, 01:39 PM)
Just got an SMS from KP. Gathering may go on after all hahahah.... wait for her update.

Meanwhile.... since there will be a pet expo at MidValley, anyone going?

I'll be there on the Saturday with my gliders. We can have a mini-get-together. Just a small gathering for us glider owners to mingle and also.... attract attention hahahah.

Come come. Who wanna go?
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I think I can make it. Wanna get some SLURP from you hehe! At what time ah? I can bring Teddy along with me biggrin.gif.
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QUOTE(emino @ Mar 18 2008, 03:03 PM)
I think I can make it. Wanna get some SLURP from you hehe! At what time ah? I can bring Teddy along with me biggrin.gif.
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ooo...midvalley u know...ikano still dun know? brows.gif
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 18 2008, 01:39 PM)
Just got an SMS from KP. Gathering may go on after all hahahah.... wait for her update.

Meanwhile.... since there will be a pet expo at MidValley, anyone going?

I'll be there on the Saturday with my gliders. We can have a mini-get-together. Just a small gathering for us glider owners to mingle and also.... attract attention hahahah.

Come come. Who wanna go?
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i'll be there from thursday till saturday on sunday....
will be organizing a nano tank competition there...
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Hi everyone! wave.gif

Just a brief update about the Sugar Glider Gathering & Talk...

I will be meeting the manager for further discussion this coming weekend, if everything goes smoothly, the gathering shall take place on the 19th or 20th April, 2008 icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ Mar 18 2008, 06:30 PM)
Hi everyone! wave.gif

Just a brief update about the Sugar Glider Gathering & Talk...

I will be meeting the manager for further discussion this coming weekend, if everything goes smoothly, the gathering shall take place on the 19th or 20th April, 2008 icon_rolleyes.gif

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The mini glider gathering is on the 29 March, same day with the Pet World thing at MidValley.

Anyway, coz I think a few of us will be there to see the pet expo, so why not meet up rite?

But then do remember to clear your calendar for 19/20 April for the real big gathering heheheh.
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can i come for the meet in midvalley on 29th if i'm free?

I wanna see suggies~

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i wanne go to... cry.gif
but have class n work laa..
no free time
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my mum by Ecah new pouch n sleep place like mug but cotton 1 dont know what is it la..
big 1.. huhu

still dont have camera or phone to take photo la...

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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 18 2008, 09:38 PM)
The mini glider gathering is on the 29 March, same day with the Pet World thing at MidValley.

Anyway, coz I think a few of us will be there to see the pet expo, so why not meet up rite?

But then do remember to clear your calendar for 19/20 April for the real big gathering heheheh.
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Not this weekend?
Aw... sad.gif
Then i won't be able to make it.
On the 29th got competition in JB.
Sigh...gotta give it a go.
Tot this weekend...


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can i come for the meet in midvalley on 29th if i'm free?

I wanna see suggies~
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I believe there's no restriction on who can and can't go to midvalley right?
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Hahaha, i'm just joking...
Do go and take a look at suggies, cute lil creatures.
Have fun there!!

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ooo...midvalley u know...ikano still dun know?  brows.gif
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Yalor Ikano still dunno.

To be fair, Midvalley is in the middle of the city while ikano is... in the middle of nowhere?
many of my friends dont even know what is ikano lol.
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Yalor Ikano still dunno.

To be fair, Midvalley is in the middle of the city while ikano is... in the middle of nowhere?
many of my friends dont even know what is ikano lol.
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IKANO is NOT in the middle of nowhere.

If you know where 1 UTAMA is, you'd be able to find IKANO...

IKANO is right smack in the middle of happening places such as IKEA, The CURVE, Cineleisure even TESCO and COURTS...

I'm sure you know where IKEA is? Or Cineleisure Cinema place is?

Anyway, as mentioned before, there are FREE feeder buses going there from Kelana Jaya LRT station... Just hop on the bus and it will take you straight to IKANO+IKEA+The Curve for FREE.

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Janganla marah KP. Hehe..

Just that most of us (me and my friends) are focused and based on middle of KL. We live there. We goes to uni there and now we work there. Limited time during cuti je kalau nak merayau jauh2 pun, tu pun selalu OT. I'm also dont travel much unles necessary. Thats why still single lor... Hehe.

If you ask about Times Square or KLCC or MidValley, we sure know those places. But if you ask Ikano Power Centre most of us will be blur. Hehe...

I will find a way to Ikano prob this week, since tomorrow is cuti and I'm taking another day off on Friday. Sure have time to find Ikano! Been meaning to find the way there and Sunway Pyramid as well.
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QUOTE(emino @ Mar 19 2008, 10:29 AM)
Janganla marah KP. Hehe..

Just that most of us (me and my friends) are focused and based on middle of KL. We live there. We goes to uni there and now we work there. Limited time during cuti je kalau nak merayau jauh2 pun, tu pun selalu OT. I'm also dont travel much unles necessary. Thats why still single lor... Hehe.

If you ask about Times Square or KLCC or MidValley, we sure know those places. But if you ask Ikano Power Centre most of us will be blur. Hehe...

I will find a way to Ikano prob this week, since tomorrow is cuti and I'm taking another day off on Friday. Sure have time to find Ikano! Been meaning to find the way there and Sunway Pyramid as well.
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Do I sound like marah?

Didn't mean it that way cuz it almost seem impossible for people to not know atleast where 1U is...

I am KL based also, smack in the middle of KL tongue.gif

And I don't drive or ride bikes...

Bank Pertanian area used to be my playground tongue.gif

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is SG allowed to be kept as pets in australia?
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no way.. supposed u can't. they are protected animals..
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Most part of Australia does not allow keeping SG's as pet, meaning they are illegal to be kept as pets.

If not mistaken, only a small part of Australia can, but with strict licensing.

SG's are native to Australia, thus they are protected over there, which in my opinion is very good.

So I don't think you'll be able to bring your suggies there.

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QUOTE(ayiesz @ Mar 19 2008, 02:21 PM)
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Hahaha, i don't think they'll allow u to ship gliders in.
There are too many gliders there already.
My friend told me gliders are protected as they are native animals but now there's so many of them it's becoming a problem to control their population.

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hi all, i've read in glider central and it looks like everyone is using tent to bond with their gliders???

my question is, does it bond better?

i know that bonding in tent does prove that gliders will be bonded to you... but why is a tent so important???

other methods mentioned is... bathroom....

the idea of the above 2 method mention is so that the glider has got noting to play with, therefor, they are stuck with you... and has got nothing else to deal with but you....

i tried bonding in my washroom once, and my glider attacked me... well, it is more towards offensive move rather than defensive....
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Recently i bought a canned food for my MengZai.. and i'm posting the ingredients of this canned food as below, appreciate your analysis as i'm not sure whether the ingredients are glider safe..
If you suspect any hazardous ingredients, do inform me accordingly.

Turkey and Rice Bites

INGREDIENTS:
Turkey, Chicken Broth, Chicken Liver, Kidney, Ocean Fish, Carrots, Brown Rice, Oat Bran, Brewers Dried Yeast, Lecithin, Beet Pulp,
Sea Salt, Guar Gum, Potassium Chloride, Carrageenan, Choline Chloride, Vit E Supplement, Ferrous Sulphate, Zinc Oxide, Riboflavin Supplement, Niacin, Sodium Bisulphate Complex, Vit B-12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Calcium Panthothenate, Vit D3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Biotin Supplement, Folic Acid, Sodium Selenite.

Whew..
finally finished with the list.. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 19 2008, 06:31 PM)
hi all, i've read in glider central and it looks like everyone is using tent to bond with their gliders???

my question is, does it bond better?

i know that bonding in tent does prove that gliders will be bonded to you... but why is a tent so important???

other methods mentioned is... bathroom....

the idea of the above 2 method mention is so that the glider has got noting to play with, therefor, they are stuck with you... and has got nothing else to deal with but you....

i tried bonding in my washroom once, and my glider attacked me... well, it is more towards offensive move rather than defensive....
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QUOTE(ayiesz @ Mar 19 2008, 02:21 PM)
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Australia has 3 subspecies that are native to the country, also all native animals are protected by law. Cannot even export and import pets freely too. Since our gliders are Indonesian species, it would not be wise to bring into Australia. They are quite strict with animals going into their country. This is coz they fear that other species may accidentally get released, then they may destroy the flora, causing the local fauna to fight for survival and so on.... That's why there are no hamsters in Australia. They fear hamsters may destroy the flora and crops, causing habitat destruction....

QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 19 2008, 06:31 PM)
hi all, i've read in glider central and it looks like everyone is using tent to bond with their gliders???

my question is, does it bond better?

i know that bonding in tent does prove that gliders will be bonded to you... but why is a tent so important???

other methods mentioned is... bathroom....

the idea of the above 2 method mention is so that the glider has got noting to play with, therefor, they are stuck with you... and has got nothing else to deal with but you....

i tried bonding in my washroom once, and my glider attacked me... well, it is more towards offensive move rather than defensive....
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Lazy to bond mah LOL.... I never use the tent. It kinda makes the glider feels trap. I rather bond by using the pouch method and also handfeeding and playing. So far that works for me.
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Recently i bought a canned food for my MengZai.. and i'm posting the ingredients of this canned food as below, appreciate your analysis as i'm not sure whether the ingredients are glider safe..
If you suspect any hazardous ingredients, do inform me accordingly.

Turkey and Rice Bites

INGREDIENTS:
Turkey, Chicken Broth, Chicken Liver, Kidney, Ocean Fish, Carrots, Brown Rice, Oat Bran, Brewers Dried Yeast, Lecithin, Beet Pulp,
Sea Salt, Guar Gum, Potassium Chloride, Carrageenan, Choline Chloride, Vit E Supplement, Ferrous Sulphate, Zinc Oxide, Riboflavin Supplement, Niacin, Sodium Bisulphate Complex, Vit B-12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Calcium Panthothenate, Vit D3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Biotin Supplement, Folic Acid, Sodium Selenite.

Whew..
finally finished with the list.. sweat.gif
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Your glider eats canned food? Mine won't hahaha.... but then I did find this canned food by Purina (Fancy Feast for cats), flavour is Roasted Succulent Chicken. The canned food is not processed meat but real chicken meat with some gel. My gliders love that.

I think the canned food you got there is ok....
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finally i ownd suggie for myself..actually i did plan to buy it later..but suddenly my gf suprised me with a suggie..she import it from penang..i was shocked and happy..=) he's really cute..we named it "glidee"..i bought the sleeping pouch/tunnel set at petshack at subang last sat..but i dont have enuf money to buy the bonding pouch=(..maybe ill go again to petshack this coming friday..i gave glidee apple at 1st..few days later he find it boring to eat apple..then give it honeydew..he likes it so much..then i read about what fruit that suggie enjoys the most at this thread and i did give "lai" to him..but he peed alot!!!! so much!! basah all the cover paper..haha..then tonite i give him mango..he didnt move from the fruit space until now..i think he fall asslep while eating la..he bite me if i try to wake him up..adoi! haha..and he enjoyed the mealworm so much..he craved for it everytime..i got one picture that he hit the jackpot of mealworm..he found my "mealworm box" and he stayed inside..but i cannot upload photos yet..i will upload it later..

i did trim the nail of my glidee..thanks to crazymouse =)
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Pictures pictures of 2 male joeys that will be going to their new homes soon.

Hehehe... they are now 45 days out of pouch. So fast... another 15 days for them before they leave their parents.... and also leave me LOL.

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finally i ownd suggie for myself..actually i did plan to buy it later..but suddenly my gf suprised me with a suggie..she import it from penang..i was shocked and happy..=) he's really cute..we named it "glidee"..i bought the sleeping pouch/tunnel set at petshack at subang last sat..but i dont have enuf money to buy the bonding pouch=(..maybe ill go again to petshack this coming friday..i gave glidee apple at 1st..few days later he find it boring to eat apple..then give it honeydew..he likes it so much..then i read about what fruit that suggie enjoys the most at this thread and i did give "lai" to him..but he peed alot!!!! so  much!! basah all the cover paper..haha..then tonite i give him mango..he didnt move from the fruit space until now..i think he fall asslep while eating la..he bite me if i try to wake him up..adoi! haha..and he enjoyed the mealworm so much..he craved for it everytime..i got one picture that he hit the jackpot of mealworm..he found my "mealworm box" and he stayed inside..but i cannot upload photos yet..i will upload it later..

i did trim the nail of my glidee..thanks to crazymouse =)
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Hahaha... what a nice gf, I also want someone to surprise me with a glider hahahah.

Save your money, buy nice things for your glidee. Remember gliderSLURP haahahah.....

Good that you have trimmed the nails.

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yup they peed on me too..and they peed alot after having lai..lucky he's cute..if not i bite him on the nose..hahha

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Hahaha... what a nice gf, I also want someone to surprise me with a glider hahahah.

Save your money, buy nice things for your glidee. Remember gliderSLURP haahahah.....

Good that you have trimmed the nails.


ya she's being sweet..=) =)

yup going to buy the gliderSLURP later..where can i get those eh???

and the petshack stock of bonding pouch just sold out..sad.gif any other petshop selling those?
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QUOTE(kerell @ Mar 20 2008, 12:32 AM)
yup they peed on me too..and they peed alot after having lai..lucky he's cute..if not i bite him on the nose..hahha
ya she's being sweet..=) =)

yup going to buy the gliderSLURP later..where can i get those eh???

and the petshack stock of bonding pouch just sold out..sad.gif any other petshop selling those?
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 19 2008, 06:31 PM)
hi all, i've read in glider central and it looks like everyone is using tent to bond with their gliders???

my question is, does it bond better?

i know that bonding in tent does prove that gliders will be bonded to you... but why is a tent so important???

other methods mentioned is... bathroom....

the idea of the above 2 method mention is so that the glider has got noting to play with, therefor, they are stuck with you... and has got nothing else to deal with but you....

i tried bonding in my washroom once, and my glider attacked me... well, it is more towards offensive move rather than defensive....
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I tried that on my wild caught gliders years back.
It did work, at first they'll feel trapped n scared.
Then after a few times, bribing them with mealworms, honey and stuf...they'll play around u.
I find it quite useful, i would say it works well.

To make it work, u would have to spend hours in the tent.
Read a book, bring ur laptop in, stay in there and do your own stuff.
Let them run around the tent, tehy'll check you out after a while if they notice u aren't watching them.
Let them crawl all over u.
Then offer them treats, that'll do the trick.


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yup they peed on me too..and they peed alot after having lai..lucky he's cute..if not i bite him on the nose..hahha
ya she's being sweet..=) =)

yup going to buy the gliderSLURP later..where can i get those eh???

and the petshack stock of bonding pouch just sold out..sad.gif any other petshop selling those?
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Hahaha, u won't bite them.
If dogs, i'm sure you'll yell at them but gliders?
Too cute! sweat.gif

U can make your own puch ma, if u r free enough.
Or use a chalk bag, not so effective la.


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Pictures pictures of 2 male joeys that will be going to their new homes soon.

Hehehe... they are now 41 days out of pouch. So fast... another 20 days for them before they leave their parents.... and also leave me LOL.

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Hahaha, u won't bite them.
If dogs, i'm sure you'll yell at them but gliders?
Too cute! sweat.gif

U can make your own puch ma, if u r free enough.
Or use a chalk bag, not so effective la.


yeah too cute!! =) well i will be uploading some pic of glidee soon for every1 to see..hehe

make pouch ma? see la how later..but i deal with jtl already to see and buy a new and bigger house for glidee soon..=)..wheeeee~~~
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 19 2008, 11:09 PM)

Your glider eats canned food? Mine won't hahaha.... but then I did find this canned food by Purina (Fancy Feast for cats), flavour is Roasted Succulent Chicken. The canned food is not processed meat but real chicken meat with some gel. My gliders love that.

I think the canned food you got there is ok....
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Hun, may i know which pet shop you purchase Purina (Fancy Feast for cats), sounds good and succulent for my gliders as well..

Hun, i believe your gliders were so blessed as you know how to make as well as provide them nourishing wholesome foodstuff, haha..

Actually, i think some gliders have different preference.
it makes it easier for them by chopping into fine pieces and mixing it with fruits or things they like.

Lets say greenaries like vege which they loathe, if i give them the whole big piece, you can be sure they won't eat it.
But if i chop it up to very fine pieces and mix it with the things they like, usually i will find none left in the morning.

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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 20 2008, 03:07 PM)
Hahaha, so cute!
Can't wait to see them. rclxms.gif
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Hahah... you will see them soon. tongue.gif

QUOTE(silverwineus @ Mar 20 2008, 09:49 PM)
Hun, may i know which pet shop you purchase Purina (Fancy Feast for cats), sounds good and succulent for my gliders as well..

Hun, i believe your gliders were so blessed as you know how to make as well as provide them nourishing wholesome foodstuff, haha..

Actually, i think some gliders have different preference.
it makes it easier for them by chopping into fine pieces and mixing it with fruits or things they like.

Lets say greenaries like vege which they loathe, if i give them the whole big piece, you can be sure they won't eat it.
But if i chop it up to very fine pieces and mix it with the things they like, usually i will find none left in the morning.
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You can find at Pet Safari, Cold Storage... Petsmore.... 1 can is about RM3.50 I think... or cheaper, can't remember coz I buy from different places each time so my prices all mixed up.

It really does look like cooked shredded chicken meat. Actually, I didn't buy the catfood for my gliders heheheeh.... it's for my blue tongue skinks. So since I had it, tried on my gliders. They seem to love it.

For veggies, I normally blend into a puree, then they will only eat hahaha.

My gliders fat. People say they look big heheheh. But now they are getting ample exercise from their Wodent Wheel every night.
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post Mar 21 2008, 08:37 AM

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Pictures of Cheekoo n Koochee fluffier & healtier. rclxm9.gif

This is Koochee poised... wub.gif
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Look at the tail! biggrin.gif
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This is Cheekoo fluffier thumbup.gif
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Still so difficult to photograph him... doh.gif
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But im sure a happy 'mama' now... tongue.gif
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post Mar 21 2008, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 21 2008, 08:37 AM)
Pictures of Cheekoo n Koochee fluffier & healtier.� rclxm9.gif

This is Koochee poised... wub.gif
Attached Image

Look at the tail!� biggrin.gif
Attached Image

This is Cheekoo fluffier� thumbup.gif
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Still so difficult to photograph him... doh.gif
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But im sure a happy 'mama' now...� tongue.gif
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Wow!!
Huge difference!!
Great job u did there.
Look at that tail, it's so loooooonngg!!!
Hahahaha, i like it. thumbup.gif


Added on March 21, 2008, 10:29 am
QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Mar 20 2008, 11:08 PM)
Hahah... you will see them soon.� tongue.gif
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hehe, tongue.gif i know.
lol!
Mine are doing great too.
Starting to explore and trying solid food now.
Will give them mealworms soon.
Took a bite, taste a bit then dowan de last night.
Will post some pics soon.

This post has been edited by jitshiong: Mar 21 2008, 10:30 AM
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post Mar 21 2008, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(spel'it @ Mar 21 2008, 08:37 AM)
Pictures of Cheekoo n Koochee fluffier & healtier.  rclxm9.gif

This is Koochee poised... wub.gif
Attached Image

Look at the tail!  biggrin.gif
Attached Image

This is Cheekoo fluffier  thumbup.gif
Attached Image

Still so difficult to photograph him... doh.gif
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But im sure a happy 'mama' now...  tongue.gif
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aduih.... so cute.... cannot tahan.... wub.gif
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post Mar 21 2008, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 21 2008, 10:26 AM)
Wow!!
Huge difference!!
Great job u did there.
Look at that tail, it's so loooooonngg!!!
Hahahaha, i like it. thumbup.gif
QUOTE(ggMing @ Mar 21 2008, 02:26 PM)
aduih.... so cute.... cannot tahan....  wub.gif
Hehe..thanks guys! They are so so cute n dear to me. Melts my heart everytime seeing those big eyes.
N every moment with them just takes my breath away....hehehehe.... wub.gif
mcm org bercinta jer...hehehe...
well i am!! im in love with my suggies... icon_rolleyes.gif
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their tail so long -.-"
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post Mar 21 2008, 06:07 PM

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hey hey..
i just bought a new home for my suggie..
its bigger than b4..
and so far glidee not enuf breath yet to explore the whole new home for him..
i set up some rope and some kayu.he havent climb them up yet..maybe he feel different from the old house..
he's eating je dari tadi..
i really hope that glidee likes the new home..=)
wish him and me luck guys..=)
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Visits JTL/Joan's shop this evening. She's really nice. And her shop is lovely too. Also suprised she knows who I am immediately without me introducing myself. Stalker alert? Muehehehe...

Then after sesat jalan multiple times, I finally arrives at Ikano. Good place, great free parking for motorcyclist (unlike Midvalley vmad.gif ). But its so far and tiring to go to, so I might not be able to go there frequently. Although I can assure you I'll be there for our gathering, if work doesnt stop me of course.
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QUOTE(kerell @ Mar 21 2008, 06:07 PM)
hey hey..
i just bought a new home for my suggie..
its bigger than b4..
and so far glidee not enuf breath yet to explore the whole new home for him..
i set up some rope and some kayu.he havent climb them up yet..maybe he feel different from the old house..
he's eating je dari tadi..
i really hope that glidee likes the new home..=)
wish him and me luck guys..=)
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Gudluck glidee! Hope u like ur new home!
Gudluck Kerell...take gud care of glidee yaa?!
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QUOTE(emino @ Mar 21 2008, 06:11 PM)
Visits JTL/Joan's shop this evening. She's really nice. And her shop is lovely too. Also suprised she knows who I am immediately without me introducing myself. Stalker alert? Muehehehe...

Then after sesat jalan multiple times, I finally arrives at Ikano. Good place, great free parking for motorcyclist (unlike Midvalley  vmad.gif ). But its so far and tiring to go to, so I might not be able to go there frequently. Although I can assure you I'll be there for our gathering, if work doesnt stop me of course.
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Yeah...congrats!! I mite be going to joan's shop soon too....Hehehe...
And emino, of coz la we all know who u r...hahahaha....
Pictures of u and teddy are everywhere... brows.gif

This post has been edited by spel'it: Mar 21 2008, 06:16 PM
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post Mar 21 2008, 06:23 PM

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Gudluck glidee! Hope u like ur new home!
Gudluck Kerell...take gud care of glidee yaa?!
smile.gif
thanks..=)

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