now u're getting it.

diploma on the other hand does not have any certificate types. all diploma are diplomas. no diploma of science in architecture or whatever. so taylor's diploma "Diploma in Architectural Technology" should be read as:

"[certificate type] in [field of specialization]" = "[diploma] in [architectural technology]"

OK.



OK, I am glad to hear that the Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology is indeed concentrating, or focusing in "Architectural Technology"; and that the title is not just a name.

Since that is the case above..., I am now also curious about the Taylor's Bachelor [HONS] of Science (Architecture), whether is it also concentrating/focusing in "Architectural Technology"; thus being certified, or classified as a BSc.

Regards.

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Added on March 22, 2008, 10:02 pmA question just pop up in my head just now;

Can the Architect also plan and design the road system? (Or is that the job of the Civil Engineer?)

Thanks a lot in advance.

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This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Mar 22 2008, 10:03 PM

helo azarimy! im new here. i get to know this forum from my friend. im glad u share all infos bout architecture here . i get to know clearer bout it.
i juz finished my stpm n would like to know more bout d courses.

btw, can u explain a little bout landscape architecture? does its scope as big as d ordinary architecture? how bout d work load?
if i like plants, m i suitable for taking this course?
n i heard tat LA salary is quite low .

thanks !
regards.

to tell u the truth, dont rely too much in the name. in malaysia, only part 2 degrees could use the title Bachelor of Architecture. any other degrees must use other names, hence why u have BSc in Architectural Studies, Architectural Science, Architectural Technology and so on. it may give u an idea of the emphasis that they have, but it's not necessarily must emphasis on that.

to really determine the school's emphasis, look into its subject list, and figure out the weightage of each subject. from there u can see roughly what the emphasis of the school really is.

yes, they can. part of the training in malaysia is urban design, where the student is trained to develop a large scale project, normally about the size of a small town (pekan). this is ofcourse conducted in groups. but the architect is not fully qualified to endorse road system alone. they must work with the planners. however, if they want, they could specialize in urban design and town planning with masters that would give proper qualifications to do just that.

road system is normally the work of the town/regional planner or road/transport/traffic engineer.

OK Azarimy.

Thank you very much for your answers to my questions, my Architecture education will be starting from tomorrow onwards.

Regards.

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haha tmr juz orientation only , don't get so excited yet ... and i planning to skip right after i get the schedule... since my brother said it is SUPER DUPER BORING
and i know Friday we're going beach for site visiting~~


BTW, i need to thank azarimy, BridgestoneRE711, xtracooljustin, Benjamin911 for kindly explanation on IR and AR thanks

This post has been edited by Lon3LyJay: Mar 23 2008, 09:50 PM

hello little fang,

landscape architecture is more of an environmental designer rather than what most people would think - a glorified gardener.

landscape architect is something between a designer and a botanist, where they have the essential design skills just like an architect, interior or graphic designers, but at the same time have substantial knowledge in botany and sociology with some basic construction knowledge.

and yes, u do get to learn all the scientific names of plants, its properties and characteristics, and how to apply them in ur design. if architects play around with materials such as concrete, steel, timber and what not, landscape architects play with plants and all that.

salary wise, landscape architects are paid about the same with interior designers - slightly less than an architect. workload is about the same, although landscape architects do learn an entirely different deal from what architects learn. so it's quite hard to say if the workload is REALLY the same or not.

Hi, i come from an average family and thanks to my parents, they had work hard to provide me with education. Engineering is my 1st choice if i were to compare it to architecture. The main reason is a Master in Architecture(RIBA/RAIA/ PAM part 2) is very expensive and the whole progress takes at least 5 years. Another thing is that it's 2 separate degree. Let's say i take Bachelor of Science(Hons) Architecture in Taylor's. What are the requirements for me to enter a university for a masters degree that is PAM part 2 equivalent? Is there possibility of not getting enrolled? NUS offers Master of Architecture(RIBA) and has a very low cost comparing to other RAIA/RIBA master degrees overseas. But since it's a public university, does it accept BSc from private institutes?

Today i attended a career talk, and the guys in charged (from taylor or sunway cant recall) said that taking English Literature actually helps in landing a job on the architecture field. izit really that necessary?

first things first.

not all part 2 qualification is offered via masters degree. in malaysia and most UK unis offer part 2 as a degree programme. it doesnt matter really in architecture, bcoz all the industry cares about is whether u hold a part 2 or not, not how far u've studied.

but it does concern the students, as the masters, a post-graduate degree, usually costs a few thousands more per year than an undergraduate degree. if money is an issue, u might be better off looking for a part 2 degree programme.

going into ur issues:

if u take degree in taylor's, the requirement for any part 2 universities is primarily a part 1 qualification. remember that taylor's degree is not accredited with part 1. so even if u graduate from there, u still do not hold sufficient qualifications to proceed to part 2.

so without a part 1, there's a possibility u wont get enrolled. however, most universities may consider u, if ur results are good with an exceptional portfolio, to join in at final year part 1 (3rd year 1st degree). finishing off the final year will award u with a proper part 1 qualifications, and later u will be able to continue with their part 2 programme. yes, it does take longer.

optionally, u could attempt to take ur part 1 exam independently. inquire with taylor's as how u can do that.

NUS do accept degrees from private universities, but similar to malaysian IPTAs, they would only consider u to a part 2 programme IF u've fulfilled the part 1 requirements.



that's rubbish.

what u need is exquisite language proficiency, be it in BM or english, although it is preferred that u could master both. in malaysian architecture, u tend to juggle between both languages when u deal with clients (english/BM), contractors (english/BM), other consultants (english), local authorities (BM) and so on.

u need to be good, but not to the point u need to take english literature. i dont think those incharge knew exactly what english literature is all about. tell me their names, i'll get them fired from their school .

i dunno their names since i listened only partially. but i was sure i heard, "if employers see 2 applications, 1 with EL and another 1 without, the 1 with EL will be put in a category and will be considered 1st. that moment i was like, omgwtfbbq?

Based on some articles that I have read before, that is true actually.

The Arts definitely have a play in Architecture, be it Music (Different Genres), Humanity, English Literature, Religion, History, Culture, or even Psychology.

In addition to the above (Based on different Articles that I have read), it was also stated that Architecture also have its interest in the Sciences, Astronomy, Physics, Mathematics, Engineering, Innovations, Inventions and Technology.

In fact, a book that I read states;

Architects have a high degree of interest in designing and creating solutions to problems that involve both Engineering and Artistic principles. The Architect is interested in improving the buildings in which we live so that they are in keeping with the needs of today. Consequently, he is very observant of the problems around him - Social as well as Technical. He has an Appreciation for beauty and can see beauty in a well - Engineered Project.

The Architect must have the Engineer's ability to communicate graphically, orally, and in writing, but he will probably have greater Artistic Aptitude than the Engineer. His profession will require that he develop many drawings and pictorials that must be clearly understood, not only by people within the industrial field, but also by the client, who may have little understanding of detailed working drawings. Therefore, the Architect uses perspectives and Artistic methods to transmit his ideas so that they can be understood, approved, and finally realized in buildings.

The Architect must understand the Technical aspects of Engineering well enough to know how to obtain help when it is needed. A typical project requires him to be a coordinator of many Technical Fields. It is virtually impossible for him to be proficient in all the relevant fields, such as structures, air conditioning, heating, and landscaping; consequently, he must use consultants on large projects.

The Architect should have aptitude in Mathematics, Graphics, English, Social Topics, Physics, and Art. His need for Chemistry is less than that of the Engineer.

College training for the Architect is a five-year program with design emphasized throughout the entire period. He will take basic courses in Mathematics, Graphics, Materials, Physics, Engineering Mechanics, History, Structures, Environment Studies, City Planning, Mechanical & Electrical Equipment, and Landscaping. During each year of his college training, he will work on realistic design problems that will prepare him for entry into his profession.

Many Architects carry double majors whereby they obtain an Engineering Degree or a Business Administration Degree in addition to Architecture. The Master's Degree is being taken by more Architects now than in the past. However, the Master's Degree is less important for the Architect than for the Engineer.

Does the Part 1 exam has grades? If i passed it and have a bachelor degree, is my chances of going to NUS for MArch still tough?

Do not worry. Relax, things are looking very good for Diploma in Architecture students who are studying in Taylors School of Architecture & Building Design.

Firstly, we will all be having the choice of the following universities after our Diploma in Architectural Technology; Universities that will be accepting us with a minimum cumulative average (achiever) of 60% only!!! That is too good to be true, and we (Diploma in Architecture) will also be going straight to the "Final" (3rd) year of their Part 1 Degree program.

You know, in the Malaysian Government Universities, you will only be allowed to enter into the 2nd year of their Part 1 Degree Program at the very best of your luck (I do not think that they would even accept you with a 60% cumulative average; you will need to be much better than that). In addition, the Malaysian Government Universities can also just reject you, seeing that you are from a private university.

On the other hand, those oversea universities listed out below will be ever willing to accept you at a 60% cumulative average and give you a place in the final year of their Part 1 Degree; (These Universities also have their own Part 2 Architecture Degrees as listed in the parenthesizes.)

Loughborough University, England. [Part 2: BSc (HONS) of Architectural Engineering & Design Management - 2 years.]

University of Strathclyde, Scotland. [Part 2: Bachelor of Science (HONS) (Architectural Studies) - 2 years.]

Robert Gordon University, Scotland. [Part 2: Bachelor of Science (HONS) (Architectural Technology) - 2 years.]

Northumbria University, England. [Part 2: BSc (HONS) Architectural Technology - 2 years.]

The University of Melbourne, Australia. (Part 2: Upgraded to the Masters of Architecture - 2 years.)

The University of New South Wales. (Part 2: Bachelor of Architecture - 2 years.)

Queensland University of Technology. (Part 2: Bachelor of Architecture - 2 years.)

Deakin University. (Part 2: Bachelor of Architecture - 2 years.)

University of Newcastle. (Part 2: Bachelor of Architecture - 2 years.)

University of Technology Sydney. (Part 2: Bachelor of Architecture - 2 years.)

University of Tasmania. (Part 2: Bachelor of Architecture - 2 years.)

Victoria University of Wellington. (Part 2: Bachelor of Architecture - 2 years [4 Trimesters].)

University of Portsmouth, England. (BA [HONS] Architecture - 2 years.)

Secondly, we, Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology today, will be having the chance to study in the new Taylor's Flagship State of the Art Lakeside University Campus upon its completion next year.

Thirdly, we will be having the option to remain back in Taylors by taking their Bachelor (Hons) of Science (Architecture), and then proceed to any of the universities listed up above straightaway into their Part 2 Degree!

Regards.

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This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Mar 26 2008, 06:34 PM

just received offer for Taylor Bachelor 3yr Arch Degree this March intake but still pending if i should accept it and pay rm 58 k
(plus oversea 2yrs to get B.Arch + spend over 200k)

[Note: Not yet accr. by PAM nor LAM /JPA (so cant get PTPTN loan yet as no RUJ no.) .. just subject approved lo ]

OR

go to study in 'King Mongkut's University of Technology Thonburi' School of Architecture in thailand straight down 5YRs B.Arch. for rm60k only
(need SAT 1 pass/ TOEFL or A-Level pass plus Portfolio ..i can make it )

Which path to choose.. i have very tight budget. . self supporting for next 5 yrs .


any comments recommendations..

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Added on March 26, 2008, 7:01 pm

Secondly, we, Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology today, will be having the chance to study in the new Taylor's Flagship State of the Art Lakeside University Campus upon its completion next year.


Taylor's new lake side will be completed in 2010-11 ..delay news from taylor s director

This post has been edited by iphonegizmo: Mar 26 2008, 07:06 PM

to benjamin...Ya..u can continue ur study at taylors degree program after taylors own diploma..but u will have to start from 2nd year too,no different wif other local uni in malaysia....so i rather go Melb for my final year

Since that is clearly the case now, then I would be having the opportunity to stay in the new Taylor's lakeside campus for an even longer period of time!

P.S., I am liking the Leisure Commerce Square building more and more as well... (It is pretty interesting...If you proceed to the roof level of the Hospitality & Tourism section for instance, you will discover that up there contains a surprising amount of greeneries and tons of air-conditioning units humming away...it will be a very peaceful place up there for me to perform my sketching assignments in the future.)

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Added on March 26, 2008, 8:30 pm

That is why we need to quickly support them! (You know that the rich G will only fund & support their own universities...)

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Mar 26 2008, 08:35 PM

if anyone needs to know on which university is accredited with which level, pls check out this website that has the whole list of accredited schools.

http://lam.gov.my/accreditationlist.html

LAM
Part I and II Examination.. anyone know what kind of exam (interview, academic writing, or ..?

is there actually much difference between ADP and the one offered in Taylor (not sure which)? from what my counselor told me ADP is only 4 years while the latter 1 is 6 years. She also said the syllabus are identical but a 2 years gap?