yup very very important, i'm more comfortable with wrist vibrato , i've been using tat since i somehow "learn" vibrato, I'm practising both though, wrist and hand, and looking into the mirror as i play, ensure 90 degree on my hand, and stuff like tat >< what are the basics? i mean what does it include?

It cannot be describe in words. Have to be practically show you in person. Did you ask your teacher about that?

haha i'm overseas now studying, so cant ask my teacher >< need to wait. Its ok, thanks cello, I'll look up for some more info on basics and see which part i'm doing it wrong or somewhat xD I find hand vibrato quite comfortable but wrist is ok too. So yeah, but first, back to basics =)

Alright. Always keep the basic in your mind. If you lose it, it is like losing your vision.

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i had my 1st violin lesson today. man, m shoulder is tired. and is so hard to hold the bow still. i keep touched the other string

It is normal that you will touch other strings, first lessons are always difficult.

Remember not to grip the violin using your shoulder and chin, just put it in position. The fact is playing violin will never make your shoulder and chin unless you hold it in the wrong position. For the bow, just get used to it. Ask more from your teacher.

i'm learning up wrist vibrato now, got bit of idea what is wrong, i think my holding position aint tat right even though its 90 degree. so need to correct it somehow.

what makes me tired is to hang my hand at mid air for such a long time. and is so hard to get the right note! it aint like guitar tat u can refer to the fret. violin is like... d just hope tat u got the right note...

i spend 30min everyday last time just to get the right position for holding the bow. got some help from a friend who now studying music too, intensif training on how to hold bow.

i think if not wrong after awhile, teacher notice i hold bow very well and praise me for it.

Work hard and u get good results.

they are no shortcuts.

teacher guides, u practise.

No practise= no result.

if u play only once a week during lesson, comparing training 7 days a week, u are only learn 7 times slower than others.

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Added on April 14, 2008, 4:15 pmcello, kinda personal question, but why didnt countinue for degree overseas??

ZOMG, u are a boy!
long long ago,my friend say u is girl, with GIRL TAG!

This post has been edited by icypetals: Apr 14 2008, 04:15 PM

Certificates are useless if you take a deep look. More over, I am studying my second diploma now.

Since when I put on the female tag??

like since i donno.

certificates are useless, yes, ut an firm basic education is required for lasting career. they are too many diploma everywher.

we must try to strive for degree or masters in oversea university/colleges.

during those time, we will be expose to more gerne of music, understnading, and learn more things. we must not confine ourself only to malaysia.

oh well, i have no right to speak for u

Career wise, right now I am satisfied with it. I would like to express that I do not live my life for money or easy living.

One more thing, diplomas are everywhere. If you know something about most college, those students used to bride for assignments. Which is asking for friends to help them out and pay the ones who helped them. Just like corruption. For music, I do not think it is possible unless students bride examiners (not lecturers).

One last important thing, skills are nothing. Passion and understanding music is the core of being a musician.

A degree? So what? Can you explain why Beethoven wrote Fur Elise for? Or how does pentatonic scales works? How does chords was formed?

taking LTCL?

Yes.

mind post a video of you playing? i'm curious how LTCL level plays. did you choose zigeunerweisen as one of your pieces?

This post has been edited by little ice: Apr 15 2008, 01:52 PM

i understand what you mean.

but an oversea education will bring much exposure to the world of music rather than closing our doors only to malaysia.

and thou we dont make music for money, we still need money to live.

is a win-win situation going oversea.
u are more expose to music and better understnading to musical culture oversea. u will be more informative and bring back a new set knowlege.

passion and understanding music is the core of being a musician, YEs!
but u can get more passion and understanding overseas!

We must try to expand our knowlege.

a wise person who have much wisdom thinks that he does not know enough.

that are so many more things to learn, try to expand the view.

hopefully u dont flame me back and try to understand what im saying.

As donald trump stats:" even if you have skills and passion, without a basic education, you are nothing".

we must think for our future as well. u must try to get further education if possible.
And going overseas means learning more!

he probably thought FTCL is the end of learning journey.

This post has been edited by little ice: Apr 15 2008, 02:22 PM

maybe.
there are still far more things to learn where we cant get in malaysia.

why would a person want a master degree teacher than a diploma?
easy, he has more knowlege.

i rather have a teacher who is expose much to the world and understand many things, rather than a teacher thinking that having a diploma and can play well means u are the best.
many ppl can play well, look at the prodigies all over the world, BUT is the understanding and knowlege that counts.
thou, learning has no ends.

hopefully he gets that into his head.

no offense.

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Added on April 15, 2008, 2:32 pmoh ya, added: example: why do ppl study accounts in college/uni when they already know accounts?

Why do ppl study science in uni when they already know sience?

why do ppl study arts when do already know arts?

cello, im sorry to say this, but i always look highly at u and take every of ur comment seriously as i look up apon you, but ur recent few comments make me disapoointed badly

This post has been edited by icypetals: Apr 15 2008, 02:32 PM

yeah i wanna see too. zigeunerweisen is crazy, i only played the accompaniment in viola, and my 16 year old friend is playing the solo =.= gosh, he's damn good.