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i understand what you mean.
but an oversea education will bring much exposure to the world of music rather than closing our doors only to malaysia.
and thou we dont make music for money, we still need money to live.
is a win-win situation going oversea. u are more expose to music and better understnading to musical culture oversea. u will be more informative and bring back a new set knowlege.
passion and understanding music is the core of being a musician, YEs! but u can get more passion and understanding overseas!
We must try to expand our knowlege.
a wise person who have much wisdom thinks that he does not know enough.
that are so many more things to learn, try to expand the view.
hopefully u dont flame me back and try to understand what im saying.
As donald trump stats:" even if you have skills and passion, without a basic education, you are nothing".
we must think for our future as well. u must try to get further education if possible. And going overseas means learning more!
Agreed and I am funding to get away from this country actually. Nothing much I can say.
QUOTE(little ice @ Apr 15 2008, 02:20 PM)
he probably thought FTCL is the end of learning journey.
No, there is still more and endless.
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maybe. there are still far more things to learn where we cant get in malaysia.
why would a person want a master degree teacher than a diploma? easy, he has more knowlege.
i rather have a teacher who is expose much to the world and understand many things, rather than a teacher thinking that having a diploma and can play well means u are the best. many ppl can play well, look at the prodigies all over the world, BUT is the understanding and knowlege that counts. thou, learning has no ends.
hopefully he gets that into his head.
no offense.
Added on April 15, 2008, 2:32 pmoh ya, added: example: why do ppl study accounts in college/uni when they already know accounts?
Why do ppl study science in uni when they already know sience?
why do ppl study arts when do already know arts?
cello, im sorry to say this, but i always look highly at u and take every of ur comment seriously as i look up apon you, but ur recent few comments make me disapoointed badly
It is okay. For the questions up there because they just want that freaking certificate. Common answer but I do not look up on that. My humble point is that I do not like people who thinks that certificate is powerful.
What are we talking is degree in the beginning. Personally, I still think degree is not a must. Just me, alright?
And little ice. Sorry that I could not as I do not have recording equipment. I thought of this some time back.
No, I did not choose Zigeunerweisen. I am a cellist, nothing special for me in that piece (just my view). I choose Beethoven's Fifth and Ninth, Mozart and Bach that I have forgot. Conducted Beethoven's Piano Sonata #14 with self orchestra arrangement for my exam.
And little ice. Sorry that I could not as I do not have recording equipment. I thought of this some time back.
No, I did not choose Zigeunerweisen. I am a cellist, nothing special for me in that piece (just my view). I choose Beethoven's Fifth and Ninth, Mozart and Bach that I have forgot. Conducted Beethoven's Piano Sonata #14 with self orchestra arrangement for my exam.[/color]
it's alright.
oh i didn't know you're cellist! dang i should have noticed since your big name written there Cello lol! paiseh!
Agreed and I am funding to get away from this country actually. Nothing much I can say. No, there is still more and endless. It is okay. For the questions up there because they just want that freaking certificate. Common answer but I do not look up on that. My humble point is that I do not like people who thinks that certificate is powerful.
What are we talking is degree in the beginning. Personally, I still think degree is not a must. Just me, alright?
And little ice. Sorry that I could not as I do not have recording equipment. I thought of this some time back.
No, I did not choose Zigeunerweisen. I am a cellist, nothing special for me in that piece (just my view). I choose Beethoven's Fifth and Ninth, Mozart and Bach that I have forgot. Conducted Beethoven's Piano Sonata #14 with self orchestra arrangement for my exam.
ooh
At last XD end of flame war.
those ppl who go for cert why do we need to bother them? just let them be. they go there siok siok because their parents are rich=.=
we are the kind where we need to save just for an oversea education
well, for career wise, a degree is vital for a stable future. u wont want to be a diploma holder for the rest of your life=.= and yes, cant wish to see the enviroment oversea, all the knowledge!
im planning for a masters T.T hopefully save enough+loan
for me, the more u study, the more u gain, the more u travel, the more you learn, the more you work, the more you receive.
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those ppl who go for cert why do we need to bother them? just let them be. they go there siok siok because their parents are rich=.=
we are the kind where we need to save just for an oversea education
well, for career wise, a degree is vital for a stable future. u wont want to be a diploma holder for the rest of your life=.= and yes, cant wish to see the enviroment oversea, all the knowledge!
im planning for a masters T.T hopefully save enough+loan
for me, the more u study, the more u gain, the more u travel, the more you learn, the more you work, the more you receive.
Once again I would want to apologize that I am not feeling well these lately, so my words came out are wrong.
Talking about education, degree is the highest of all. Master classes are exist but those are offered by experienced famous professionals. Keeping it clear, master is not a paper education.
I know there is a musician who is holding a diploma for the rest of his life, he is not around anymore. He passed away at the age of 80, he is a famous performer back then. I know him but I forgot his name , I study his history in my history studies. Conclusion, if really wants to go big, just take the effort to degree or master.
Even my boss, he is just a diploma holder and he is doing quite well today.
We need money to live but there is not a need to be crazy for money.
QUOTE(jikolo @ Apr 16 2008, 10:39 PM)
may i ask. for music, there's career path?
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if you're learning violin, you can become violin virtuoso, teacher, orchestra player, play for functions/events. apart from instruments specialist, there's also music composer, arranger, film scoring, conductor, music transcribe.
that's only classical music type leh. there's also a long list if we're going to talk about modern music.
Once again I would want to apologize that I am not feeling well these lately, so my words came out are wrong.
Talking about education, degree is the highest of all. Master classes are exist but those are offered by experienced famous professionals. Keeping it clear, master is not a paper education.
I know there is a musician who is holding a diploma for the rest of his life, he is not around anymore. He passed away at the age of 80, he is a famous performer back then. I know him but I forgot his name , I study his history in my history studies. Conclusion, if really wants to go big, just take the effort to degree or master.
Even my boss, he is just a diploma holder and he is doing quite well today.
We need money to live but there is not a need to be crazy for money.
ya, u can go far with a diploma.
but why stop if u can study further?? there is no pain learning more!
yup, if u want to be a millionare. dont be a musician.
but sometimes i see many music teachers who are not dedicated, they dont even have a good music education, they teach just because of the money, and when student come in, they give abit of theory homework, and walk out of the class to chit-chat. haiz.......... this kind of teacher ruins the beauty of the music and destroys the student's passion. they dont bother bout the student, and they are not dedicated.
I feel very lucky to have a good music teacher. he ask me go down penang to find him during school holiday and he will take me around kai kai and discuss about my future. he will always take me around places when there is oppurtunity. lucky to have such a dedicated teacher
but why stop if u can study further?? there is no pain learning more!
yup, if u want to be a millionare. dont be a musician.
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but sometimes i see many music teachers who are not dedicated, they dont even have a good music education, they teach just because of the money, and when student come in, they give abit of theory homework, and walk out of the class to chit-chat. haiz.......... this kind of teacher ruins the beauty of the music and destroys the student's passion. they dont bother bout the student, and they are not dedicated.
I feel very lucky to have a good music teacher. he ask me go down penang to find him during school holiday and he will take me around kai kai and discuss about my future. he will always take me around places when there is oppurtunity. lucky to have such a dedicated teacher
Alright, I am putting the spoiler because of avoiding long posts.
I have a plan, I wanted to be a performer, a singer/songwriter that most "modern musician" does today. I came this far with diploma is to at least know the proper education of music. So I think you got my idea of being a musician but what you said is good. There is a problem of me is I do not have the fund to continue degree, my parents have a problem on that.
I worked in the other music school before, I saw guitar teacher teach guitar tabs instead of notation. More over, they are just play-by-ear guitar player. That which is disappoints me the most. Talking about teachers giving less lesson in a class, that is applied to all the teachers in the previous music school that I worked with. It disappoints me even thought it is not by business. I did not debate with them, I know what is going to happen if I do.
Since today and forever, I am teaching my students "full "throttle". Let me tell you, every time when there is a new student enrollment I will ask them why they choose to learn this instrument. I will ask a few aesthetic questions.
After all, there is a lot of disappointments other than education.
I have a plan, I wanted to be a performer, a singer/songwriter that most "modern musician" does today.
a kind advice from me who has worked in this industry for few years. you can be performer and songwriter, but singer? that's hell a lot of effort and the return is so little unless you have the potential of becoming a real "star". it's not about you put more effort then you'll get returns. it's just not the same thing.
not trying to put your passion down, but this is the reality. only 1% of the singer will success. unless, you want to go for it without expecting any returns, but to fulfill your dream.
oh no...we're getting far far away from topic.
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a kind advice from me who has worked in this industry for few years. you can be performer and songwriter, but singer? that's hell a lot of effort and the return is so little unless you have the potential of becoming a real "star". it's not about you put more effort then you'll get returns. it's just not the same thing.
not trying to put your passion down, but this is the reality. only 1% of the singer will success. unless, you want to go for it without expecting any returns, but to fulfill your dream.
oh no...we're getting far far away from topic.
Yes, I expect nothing from return and I am not doing most people are doing in this place. I am not money minded, that is the whole point of it.
My favourite:
Prelude from Bach's Cello Suite No. 1 played by Rostropovich
Alright, I am putting the spoiler because of avoiding long posts.
I have a plan, I wanted to be a performer, a singer/songwriter that most "modern musician" does today. I came this far with diploma is to at least know the proper education of music. So I think you got my idea of being a musician but what you said is good. There is a problem of me is I do not have the fund to continue degree, my parents have a problem on that.
I worked in the other music school before, I saw guitar teacher teach guitar tabs instead of notation. More over, they are just play-by-ear guitar player. That which is disappoints me the most. Talking about teachers giving less lesson in a class, that is applied to all the teachers in the previous music school that I worked with. It disappoints me even thought it is not by business. I did not debate with them, I know what is going to happen if I do.
Since today and forever, I am teaching my students "full "throttle". Let me tell you, every time when there is a new student enrollment I will ask them why they choose to learn this instrument. I will ask a few aesthetic questions.
After all, there is a lot of disappointments other than education.
actually, there are a fews ways. ur dream for degree is not hancur yet=.="
you can start saving 1k per month, and by the time you go like 30-40k( a few years of saving). you can apply for loan for oversea. then when you come back, you can slowly pay. many people do that now, and u pay like rm300-1k per month, so its worth the while!
go to ur trustd bank and ask about it
"Embrance your dream"- quote by Zack ( final fantasy )
mind you, the return is not just money. nevermind, you'll know when you get there. good luck to you.
Awww..thank you.
QUOTE(icypetals @ Apr 18 2008, 04:33 PM)
actually, there are a fews ways. ur dream for degree is not hancur yet=.="
you can start saving 1k per month, and by the time you go like 30-40k( a few years of saving). you can apply for loan for oversea. then when you come back, you can slowly pay. many people do that now, and u pay like rm300-1k per month, so its worth the while!
go to ur trustd bank and ask about it
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