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post Jan 28 2008, 09:39 AM, updated 18y ago

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So, anyone got these babes yet? Id say these chips has a huge oc potential, this is my currently result after owning this babe for 1 day, rough overclocking with no optimizing done yet, didn't have the time. Man.. i can get to get everything done drool.gif

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3.8Ghz at stock voltage shocking.gif
orthos passed 8 hours, i was still able to boot at 3.9Ghz, but failed at 2nd hour orthos.

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C2D 45nm users, come in and share your thoughts thumbup.gif

Just to spice this thread up a little, ever wondered what exactly is Penryn? no, not the codename, the real PENRYN.

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Penryn granite is noted for its beauty and strength. Mottled in more-or-less equally sized specks of black and white, it appears a medium-to-dark gray in color, at first glance, but takes on an almost bluish-gray hue when viewed in a subdued light or, when wet or polished. This unique stone can be seen in the foundations and walls of a number of California landmarks including The State Capital and the old U.S. Mint in San Francisco.
Taken from http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2007/04/penryn.php

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A Little interesting fact on Intel's Codenames laugh.gif

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wow.. darkside edi.. this is ur target when selling all ur precious stuff brows.gif
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Nice result rclxms.gif
I also wish to go to dark side. But no money laugh.gif

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the dark side is tempting indeed laugh.gif
Switch from am2 to Wolfdale, is indeed a huge performance leap rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Jan 28 2008, 09:49 AM)
the dark side is tempting indeed laugh.gif
Switch from am2 to Wolfdale, is indeed a huge performance leap rclxms.gif
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Ya lor sad.gif
Especially the power consumption. That the part attracts me wink.gif

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Why Hallo Thar Aoi,

I see what you did thar.

Told you that the flesh is weak *evil laugh*

Let us see mOar of the Penryn...quick! flex.gif
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QUOTE(-pWs- @ Jan 28 2008, 09:51 AM)
Ya lor sad.gif
Especially the power consumption. That the part attracts me  wink.gif

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Yeah, i figure, if its going to be an upgrade, it better be significant laugh.gif

QUOTE(Strik3 @ Jan 28 2008, 10:02 AM)
Why Hallo Thar Aoi,

I see what you did thar.

Told you that the flesh is weak *evil laugh*

Let us see mOar of the Penryn...quick!  flex.gif
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haha, chill bro. Ill be seeing ya tonight or tomorrow.

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Interesting read indeed, will add your link to first post thumbup.gif
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nice result there with a little voltage bump and adequate cooling 4.5ghz should not be a problem i guess......

Aoi i tot u still continue with CF after goin to Dark side ??
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Jan 28 2008, 09:39 AM)
So, anyone got these babes yet? Id say these chips has a huge oc potential, this is my currently result after owning this babe for 1 day, rough overclocking with no optimizing done yet, didn't have the time. Man.. i can get to get everything done drool.gif

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3.8Ghz at stock voltage shocking.gif
orthos passed 8 hours, i was still able to boot at 3.9Ghz, but failed at 2nd hour orthos.
C2D 45nm users, come in and share your thoughts thumbup.gif

Just to spice this thread up a little, ever wondered what exactly is Penryn? no, not the codename, the real PENRYN.
Taken from http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2007/04/penryn.php

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post ure orthos priority 8 blend test or small fft ... min pass 1hour..
me suspect u did priority 1.. which is easy to pass...

wheres the screenies for the 8hours or two hours...??.. sorry with the no of BS that goes around LYN.. need to ask..
till then the claims is BS... in XS way..kekek

or just OCCT 30 minutes.. which runs at priority 8 blend also.


Added on January 28, 2008, 11:53 am
QUOTE(LExus65 @ Jan 28 2008, 11:44 AM)
nice result there with a little voltage bump and adequate cooling 4.5ghz should not be a problem i guess......

Aoi i tot u still continue with CF after goin to Dark side ??
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and a better mobo.. too

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QUOTE(LExus65 @ Jan 28 2008, 11:44 AM)
nice result there with a little voltage bump and adequate cooling 4.5ghz should not be a problem i guess......

Aoi i tot u still continue with CF after goin to Dark side ??
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well.. due to budget limitation, id rather save up and get a better X38/X48 board later on rather than getting a midrange x38. And by then, im sure the price of 3870x2 is cheaper as well. So.. meanwhile, im giving the 8800GTS G92 a test run.

QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 28 2008, 11:48 AM)
post ure orthos priority 8 blend test or small fft ... min pass 1hour..
me suspect u did priority 1.. which is easy to pass...

wheres the screenies for the 8hours or two hours...??.. sorry with the no of BS that goes around LYN.. need to ask..
till then the claims is BS... in XS way..kekek

or just OCCT 30 minutes.. which runs at priority 8 blend also.


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and a better mobo.. too
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no prob, will post it up at home later thumbup.gif
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this baby really rock ... i saw some fella oc 4.2ghz and above ..
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current 24/7...lower NB voltages...
thats the idle.. load around 54C.

will try again for stable 4.5 with lower NB...

messing around with the GTL.

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dude whats ure batch??
hmm suspect same as mine.


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cstkl1, why is your Everest and Core Temp showing different fsb/clock speed?
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 28 2008, 04:04 PM)
cstkl1, why is your Everest and Core Temp showing different fsb/clock speed?
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fake screenies perhaps? ramped his OC jus after Orthos stable on stock speed laugh.gif
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uik .. no i didnt i was using set fsb to go higher and higher..

i loaded the cpu at 460fsb and that voltage...
and then kept going +10fsb higher till i occt showed stable..

give me another test.. and i can prove it to u...
heck i can even load at that no probs and run at that no probs.

would that satisfy u..
the core temp was loaded in the beginning to monitor the temps..
so thats y..
for what i lie..
u already know my proc can do 3dmark06 /3dmark05/aquamark sp32m at 4.5ghz but i couldnt do the OCCT cause temps were getting too high...

so thats y i lowered it..
sishh u ppl..

there was two test i was using OCCT/Orthos Priority 8 and memtest windows for NB/Ram. all aiming for 30 minutes pass..

core temp shows that lower mhz cause increased from there..

u can see the sp1m.. or u want me to do sp32m??

but to hit 4.5 need a lot of increase.. to 1.496v


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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jan 28 2008, 04:12 PM)
fake screenies perhaps? ramped his OC jus after Orthos stable on stock speed  laugh.gif
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only ppl like u would do such thing.

only difference with my proc is for 500fsb i need a lot of NB/PLL voltages.. which i still cannot overcome...yet..

will post some 3dmark06 for u...


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man... cant wait to get home and rape my wolfdale laugh.gif
screenies here n there, tempting the crap outta me xD

anyways, no other users at the moment? sweat.gif
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cstkl1, previously you mentioned in another thread to me that you got it at 4.5Ghz stable (in Hardware section). Perhaps you can base on that and show an Orthos/Prime screenshot?

It would be good to share the good stuff around smile.gif


Added on January 28, 2008, 4:47 pmBtw, if you update your FSB via software, it will still reflect accordingly in those applications. I'm not a detective to see if your screenshot is for real or fake but I'd like to see one so I could have some clue how to make mine do 4.5Ghz just like yours smile.gif

A screenshot of Orthos running for some time would be best.

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 28 2008, 04:44 PM)
cstkl1, previously you mentioned in another thread to me that you got it at 4.5Ghz stable (in Hardware section). Perhaps you can base on that and show an Orthos/Prime screenshot?

It would be good to share the good stuff around smile.gif


Added on January 28, 2008, 4:47 pmBtw, if you update your FSB via software, it will still reflect accordingly in those applications. I'm not a detective to see if your screenshot is for real or fake but I'd like to see one so I could have some clue how to make mine do 4.5Ghz just like yours smile.gif

A screenshot of Orthos running for some time would be best.
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nah it failed memtest windows just after 30 percent...
and i cannot do it now.. later at night need colder temps. my NB will be close to 80C if i do that now.


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and dont ask me y i bumped up 0.008v.. cause i strengten the transaction boost in bios from relax level to enable to boost 0.. happy

coming up soon with SP32m..

hmm should have take a pic of the post for the 3dmark06 to show u on the spot benchie.


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Ok, this is not 4.5Ghz anymore and if it failed any tests, it means it's not stable. Also, Super PI doesn't conclude stability. Previously you mention you had it 4.5Ghz daily stable which overwhelms me because I'm still working to get mine at that speed.

Well, good achievement but the tough part is to get it Orthos stable smile.gif
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yeah but orthos priority 1 and prime small fft ok...

but NB/PLL .. memtest windows ( hey u should try it really stresses the system equally to prime) ...

i dunno how u guys overclock but this is how i do it..

for cpu core - Prime95 custom small fft
once it passes 1-2 hours i am happy

but it failed memtest... like 30percent getting a lot of errors..
i tried my best with the NB/PLL voltage.. but no luck.. and it was too hot already..

but it was gameable with GOW ..which utilizes up 75 percent per core..


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Ok, this is not 4.5Ghz anymore and if it failed any tests, it means it's not stable. Also, Super PI doesn't conclude stability. Previously you mention you had it 4.5Ghz daily stable which overwhelms me because I'm still working to get mine at that speed.

Well, good achievement but the tough part is to get it Orthos stable smile.gif
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dude the sp32m just to prove there was no need for that hack job..from the time it takes to complete u can already judge.

from the time u can see..

can u do ure proc at this settings??.. put aside stability.. 3dmark06 etc at 1.408v 4.41ghz??

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 28 2008, 01:37 PM)
dude whats ure batch??
hmm suspect same as mine.
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oh, i made sure it was not the same batch as yours, in fact, the batch coding list which we used to look for the cpus came from intel's QC department in penang, so im pretty sure that it is not the same batch, but it is the same week, as the "gems" comes from only 3 seperate weeks of year 2007 smile.gif


QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Jan 28 2008, 04:41 PM)
man... cant wait to get home and rape my wolfdale laugh.gif
screenies here n there, tempting the crap outta me xD

anyways, no other users at the moment? sweat.gif
come come report in, dont be shy icon_rolleyes.gif
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you and cstkl1 are the only guinea pigs in LYN ahahahhaha wink.gif

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 28 2008, 04:56 PM)
Ok, this is not 4.5Ghz anymore and if it failed any tests, it means it's not stable. Also, Super PI doesn't conclude stability. Previously you mention you had it 4.5Ghz daily stable which overwhelms me because I'm still working to get mine at that speed.

Well, good achievement but the tough part is to get it Orthos stable smile.gif
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orthos priority 6 easy
priority 9-10.. difficult..as this is almost 88-90% of TAT.

from the temps i suspect OCCT = orthos priority 7-8.. somewhere there..


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It doesn't concern me if someone does a hack job or not. If someone posts something not genuine, I'll just disregard it smile.gif At the same time, I doubt Super PI is used for that purpose. I'm not an OC detective and I believe the purpose of this thread is to get successful overclock results for the new 45nm so lets not mislead others.

If one can overclock to 4.5 or even 5.0 Ghz with Super PI screenshot, it's a good achivement but let's not confuse people by saying it's "24/7 stable". The other poor guy that doesn't know might think he's got a dud chip and start asking questions why he can't get his 4.5Ghz stable as well smile.gif

If it's not a stable OC, it isn't one irregardless. Even if I can pass Super PI, 3dmark and memtest but the moment I load my game, it hangs so the good result is nice to see but not enjoyable.


Added on January 28, 2008, 5:15 pmSome tests are easy to pass, some harder. For the same, there are different options in Super PI and passing 1M doesn't mean it passes 32M.

The Orthos tests people often talk about is either Small FFT or Blend. The others is a plus but either one above is good enough.

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 28 2008, 05:13 PM)
It doesn't concern me if someone does a hack job or not. If someone posts something not genuine, I'll just disregard it smile.gif At the same time, I doubt Super PI is used for that purpose. I'm not an OC detective and I believe the purpose of this thread is to get successful overclock results for the new 45nm so lets not mislead others.

If one can overclock to 4.5 or even 5.0 Ghz with Super PI screenshot, it's a good achivement but let's not confuse people by saying it's "24/7 stable". The other poor guy that doesn't know might think he's got a dud chip and start asking questions why he can't get his 4.5Ghz stable as well smile.gif

If it's not a stable OC, it isn't one irregardless. Even if I can pass Super PI, 3dmark and memtest but the moment I load my game, it hangs so the good result is nice to see but not enjoyable.


Added on January 28, 2008, 5:15 pmSome tests are easy to pass, some harder. For the same, there are different options in Super PI and passing 1M doesn't mean it passes 32M.

The Orthos tests people often talk about is either Small FFT or Blend. The others is a plus but either one above is good enough.
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dude when i posted the 4.5 i thought i was stable..
then i tried to reduce the NB voltage.. and it failed
and the weir part when i leave it at auto it works which is far less than what i was pumping in.

thats y i suspect the nb/pll was faulty..
eventhough the 500 fsb pass a 4x8 for memtest..

thats y i reran it...
and it failed..
so until i do watercooling i cannot guarantee the bus..

3dmark cpu test 5 times run.

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i will run for u.. orthos blend or small fft.. later at night since u asked...
u can already see my Northbridge temps are freaking hot..
for 500fsb i need 1.8v or pll and northbridge.

how about i post some crysis benchies.. say increase it to 10 runs..

i am just posting all this since i was accused as a faker for the 4.4ghz
so just defending myself..

but for ure problem for games..
if u say it passes 3dmark sp32m.. and fail it games.. usually its not proc.. its ure NB/mem.
since games dont stress the cores much.
and did u know that CPU stress test on 3dmark on loop is equivalent to ORTHOS priority 8 basing on temps.

let me make it clear.. which i will post to ure hearts content later at night..
4.5ghz passed this
3dmark06
3dmark05
aquamark
sp1m
sp32m
OCCT 30 minutes
Prime 95 small fft 15 minutes

but failed memtest windows running two instantaneously 800mb each in 30 percent only and this was after i posted the remarks and benchies..


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Actually you're doing it for the community, not me smile.gif Please don't run it for me only laugh.gif As I say, 4.5Ghz Super PI is already good.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 28 2008, 05:33 PM)
Actually you're doing it for the community, not me smile.gif Please don't run it for me only laugh.gif As I say, 4.5Ghz Super PI is already good.
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ok bro..
but dude.. did u test ure mems?? when u said ure game failed..
try memtest windows...
it will utilize most of ure mem...
so roughly u find a accuracy of 90-95percent for ure NB/PLL/Vdimm/Mem Timings stability with a 75 percent accuracy for ure core.. which is pretty good
since most games uses up to that much only.

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I just got it a few days ago, haven't started playing but from what I read, these new 45nm overclocks better on X38 than P35. I'm still unsure but will certainly keep everyone posted if I get something good going smile.gif
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 28 2008, 05:51 PM)
I just got it a few days ago, haven't started playing but from what I read, these new 45nm overclocks better on X38 than P35. I'm still unsure but will certainly keep everyone posted if I get something good going smile.gif
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hmm but on p35 it uses less voltages on NB/PLL and u can achieve higher Bus speeds than X38..

check around i find all that whacked out bus ppl are doing are not on a x38..

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It's just what I've read and there are many folks with X38 on Xtreme Forums these days. I don't use dual graphics card so I'll stick with P35 until X38 board gets cheaper.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 28 2008, 06:00 PM)
It's just what I've read and there are many folks with X38 on Xtreme Forums these days. I don't use dual graphics card so I'll stick with P35 until X38 board gets cheaper.
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err i am also reporting from XS...
keke

see all the higher BUS.. are from p35's but the need more Vcore..which is a downside for equivalent GHZ as the X38
so i guess if ure for high GHZ go for the X38
but if ure want higher FSB go for the P35 mainly the P5k , Foxconn and abit Ip35pro

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I've had IP35-PRO and Foxconn MARS now biggrin.gif I'll let everyone knows but initially, MARS look very much more promising.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 28 2008, 06:44 PM)
I've had IP35-PRO and Foxconn MARS now biggrin.gif I'll let everyone knows but initially, MARS look very much more promising.
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i had faster superpi result and 3dmark cpu scores on the mars..
just a bit compared to the maximus
but i think with the new bios 0907 on the maximus they are around the same already.

that is an awesome mobo.. so many silly ppl dont know how good that mobo is..
they keep saying that if they dont overlcock blah blah blah

but even at stock theres a difference in mem controllers/bios tweaking/cpu speeds...
and the foxconn p35 mars is one of the kings for such a marginal difference in price.


Added on January 28, 2008, 6:55 pmin a dillemma now..

kindda like the HIS hd3870 ICEq turbo..
or should i get a saphire HD3870x2 which i can get it tommorow..
hmmm

the HD3870X2 looks like has a lot of bugs etc...
and dont clock well...
dual bios interesting.

Saphire HD3870X2 - RM1550 ppl!!


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hmm.. 3870x2, id assume the performance is where around the 3870Xfire, tried that already, now giving a chance to 8800GTS G92 and see how it fares against 3870 CF. Will only get Ati cards when i plan to go CF, which after after my next mobo upgrade brows.gif
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anyone here knows why memtest gives errors whilst orthos for 3 hours(blend) does not give errors?
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QUOTE(a1098113 @ Jan 28 2008, 10:43 PM)
anyone here knows why memtest gives errors whilst orthos for 3 hours(blend) does not give errors?
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Not stable leh..... Not all programs will give an error..... smile.gif
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eh, hmm orthos blend and OCCT doesnt give an error liao. ONly Memtest.. can give advice how i can reduce the error chances besides buying Crucial ram lol. Now its OCed to ddr2 900 @ cl4. this secret rams brows.gif
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QUOTE(a1098113 @ Jan 28 2008, 10:51 PM)
eh, hmm orthos blend and OCCT doesnt give an error liao. ONly Memtest.. can give advice how i can reduce the error chances besides buying Crucial ram lol. Now its OCed to ddr2 900 @ cl4. this secret rams brows.gif
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The usual lor, either increase vdimm, loosen the timings, or set a lower speed.... no cheating tongue.gif
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alrighty, ran orthos on priority 8 small fft test more than 2 hours as requested my cstkl1 to prove that i was able to do 3.8Ghz in stock vcore =)




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hey guys, any other 8400 users here? apparently im having some issues with my temps. The temperatures are flying sky high !!!, even on stock voltage, my load temp goes all the way up to 52c, now testing 1.3v @ 4.0Ghz, its climbing up to 63c. Im sure the TR 120eX(lapped) performs way better than this, tried reseating it many times, and checked the TIM, it is indeed evenly spreaded. Contact is definately not an issue here.

Now, the interesting part, upon touching the hsf directly while on load, reported temp on core temp / Everest is 63c, but.. the bloody hsf is freezing cold !!!

this really is disappointing and is crippling my overclocking.
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wats ur tcase,tjunction temp?... at idle/load?... apparently my ifx-14 feels cold when i touch it even when i orthos it, the temp reaches 59C @ 3.7Ghz-1.51vcore... maybe its because of the slow heat transfers of the heatpipe?... But i think urs is high considering the voltage...

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i think the temp sensor reading is not correct yet...its a new proc...maybe the software still not support it...until next update
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Jan 29 2008, 02:24 AM)
hey guys, any other 8400 users here? apparently im having some issues with my temps. The temperatures are flying sky high !!!, even on stock voltage, my load temp goes all the way up to 52c, now testing 1.3v @ 4.0Ghz, its climbing up to 63c. Im sure the TR 120eX(lapped) performs way better than this, tried reseating it many times, and checked the TIM, it is indeed evenly spreaded. Contact is definately not an issue here.

Now, the interesting part, upon touching the hsf directly while on load, reported temp on core temp / Everest is 63c, but.. the bloody hsf is freezing cold !!! 

this really is disappointing and is crippling my overclocking.
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Maybe the temp-read is misleading. You said it yourself that the HSF feels cold to the touch.

I don't find it disappointing and crippling though. Maybe it's just a wrong temp read smile.gif
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Jan 29 2008, 02:24 AM)
hey guys, any other 8400 users here? apparently im having some issues with my temps. The temperatures are flying sky high !!!, even on stock voltage, my load temp goes all the way up to 52c, now testing 1.3v @ 4.0Ghz, its climbing up to 63c. Im sure the TR 120eX(lapped) performs way better than this, tried reseating it many times, and checked the TIM, it is indeed evenly spreaded. Contact is definately not an issue here.

Now, the interesting part, upon touching the hsf directly while on load, reported temp on core temp / Everest is 63c, but.. the bloody hsf is freezing cold !!! 

this really is disappointing and is crippling my overclocking.
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the tjunction is wrong..
i am very sure of it
cause with the e6850 when i hit 72C for a long time it will shut down..

but with e8400 it allows u to go right up to 80C..
so theres a error in the tjunction by 8-10C..

hence i follow the asus cpu temp with is 8-10C difference than core temp.

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QUOTE(tesla_rage @ Jan 29 2008, 10:52 AM)
Maybe the temp-read is misleading. You said it yourself that the HSF feels cold to the touch.

I don't find it disappointing and crippling though. Maybe it's just a wrong temp read smile.gif
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 29 2008, 10:56 AM)
the tjunction is wrong..
i am very sure of it
cause with the e6850 when i hit 72C for a long time it will shut down..

but with e8400 it allows u to go right up to 80C..
so theres a error in the tjunction by 8-10C..

hence i follow the asus cpu temp with is 8-10C difference than core temp.
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even the coretemp latest 0.96.1 also giving the core0 n core1 weird reading...the TjMax read 105'...lets wait until its fix n support for the penryn core..

everest also giving weird reading....

all this depend on ur mobo...

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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Jan 29 2008, 12:22 AM)
alrighty, ran orthos on priority 8 small fft test more than 2 hours as requested my cstkl1 to prove that i was able to do 3.8Ghz in stock vcore =)
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another thing about the temps that i noticed this morning. Im idling at 49, full load 53? i even tested with both OCCT and Orthos running, same temps, oh well... i think its an issue with the DTS. Another amd brisbane flaw doh.gif
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Can i request for 8200/8400 tests on a P965s platform (both Gigabyte and DFI have released BIOS which support 1333Mhz 45nm CPUs already). Wanna see if the OC is cripped in any way. Thx in advance.
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Jan 29 2008, 11:49 AM)
another thing about the temps that i noticed this morning. Im idling at 49, full load 53? i even tested with both OCCT and Orthos running, same temps, oh well... i think its an issue with the DTS. Another amd brisbane flaw doh.gif
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for me totally weird....my cpu idling at 36'-38'.....core0 n core1 idling at 52-53 non -OC....somemore watercooling... sweat.gif

but using biostar hw monitor software ...the cpu at idle 25'...i dont know which one to refer... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Jan 29 2008, 12:35 PM)
for me totally weird....my cpu idling at 36'-38'.....core0 n core1 idling at 52-53 non -OC....somemore watercooling... sweat.gif

but using biostar hw monitor software ...the cpu at idle 25'...i dont know which one to refer... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Jan 29 2008, 11:49 AM)
another thing about the temps that i noticed this morning. Im idling at 49, full load 53? i even tested with both OCCT and Orthos running, same temps, oh well... i think its an issue with the DTS. Another amd brisbane flaw doh.gif
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I have the same issues with temp on both Foxconn Mars and IP35-PRO
I guess someone has to fix it smile.gif
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hmm.. is there anywhere else that i can get a foxconn mars now? apparently lowyat plaza doesnt have any stocks at all.
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Jan 29 2008, 02:37 PM)
hmm.. is there anywhere else that i can get a foxconn mars now? apparently lowyat plaza doesnt have any stocks at all.
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i'm trying to test my e8400 since dfiT-2RS mb nop yet ready.so this is the quick test with biostar Tp35-A2
damn the temp killing!!!the reading correct or nop?why so high????


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I think every motherboard is giving this problem smile.gif The CPU is still too new I guess.
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QUOTE(Vtec(Rock) @ Jan 29 2008, 10:49 PM)
i'm trying to test my e8400 since dfiT-2RS mb nop yet ready.so this is the quick test with biostar Tp35-A2
damn the temp killing!!!the reading correct or nop?why so high????
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ur prob same as mine as we used the same mobo...refer to my previous post #51...like clawhammer said...the mobo giving weird reading...maybe we have to wait until the next bios update...

** i tried all the monitoring software (Coretemp, HWMonitor, Smart Guardian, Everest, Speedfan, WarpSpeederIII, Biostar Untility) ..all giving the same reading or can't read the core temp at all.. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 28 2008, 05:28 PM)
dude when i posted the 4.5 i thought i was stable..
then i tried to reduce the NB voltage.. and it failed
and the weir part when i leave it at auto it works which is far less than what i was pumping in.

thats y i suspect the nb/pll was faulty..
eventhough the 500 fsb pass a 4x8 for memtest..

thats y i reran it...
and it failed..
so until i do watercooling i cannot guarantee the bus..

3dmark cpu test 5 times run.

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i will run for u.. orthos blend or small fft.. later at night since u asked...
u can already see my Northbridge temps are freaking hot..
for 500fsb i need 1.8v or pll and northbridge.

how about i post some crysis benchies.. say increase it to 10 runs..

i am just posting all this since i was accused as a faker for the 4.4ghz
so just defending myself..

but for ure problem for games..
if u say it passes 3dmark sp32m.. and fail it games.. usually its not proc.. its ure NB/mem.
since games dont stress the cores much.
and did u know that CPU stress test on 3dmark on loop is equivalent to ORTHOS priority 8 basing on temps.

let me make it clear.. which i will post to ure hearts content later at night..
4.5ghz passed this
3dmark06
3dmark05
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OCCT 30 minutes
Prime 95 small fft 15 minutes

but failed memtest windows running two instantaneously 800mb each  in 30 percent only and this was after i posted the remarks and benchies..
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Jan 30 2008, 01:31 AM)
I lol'd!
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I even asked him and he re-affirm it was stable blush.gif
From what I see, many people manage to get into Windows at a high clock speed and do Super PI but not many manage to get it stable.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 30 2008, 01:39 AM)
I even asked him and he re-affirm it was stable blush.gif
From what I see, many people manage to get into Windows at a high clock speed and do Super PI but not many manage to get it stable.
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i cant..
i can show u orthos cpu small fft
but it will fail blend test.
memtest also fail now.

ive even lessen the ram performance level to 12 with CL5.. and still cannot.
it was gameable on GOW
but failed the new cpu benchmark on crysis...

ok it was a mistake..
so what u guys want me to bow down and ask for forgiveness.?? hmm.gif icon_question.gif notworthy.gif
pumped up the 4.4ghz vcore.. increased the performance levels on asus... .

and also getting a few bugs...
like now anything above 490-500fsb on multi 9 this is what happens..
when i press restart..
my comp will shutdown
and then only load.. signs of instability..

also second part weird about maximus x38..
if i up the NB/PLL voltages.. it will fail to restart..
and go back to default.. then i have to reset the nb to auto, change the fsb to something lower. let it restart and then only pump it back..


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I lol'd!
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 30 2008, 01:39 AM)
I even asked him and he re-affirm it was stable blush.gif
From what I see, many people manage to get into Windows at a high clock speed and do Super PI but not many manage to get it stable.
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i dunno about u guys..
but i have been overclocking on this board with other c2d..
and the same principles dont apply...




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CPU are like girls, they are always different. Some likes it hot, some likes it cold smile.gif

You don't have to apologize or ask forgiveness. Don't feel so upset about it - small issue.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 30 2008, 01:57 AM)
CPU are like girls, they are always different. Some likes it hot, some likes it cold smile.gif

You don't have to apologize or ask forgiveness. Don't feel so upset about it - small issue.
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man i have to agree with your theory, and don't forget, sometimes picky and loves to give u a hard time laugh.gif
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@clawy
interesting concept, equating processor to girls. True2. I would rather say its like a wife instead.

@aoi
hows the performance of the current batch of 45nm procx?
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currently running stable 4Ghz daily basis @ 1.3v. Im pretty satisfied with the performance based on the price i pay for this babe, but the temperature errors are rather disappointing id say... thus leaving me unable to push the proc any further than 4.5Ghz at the moment.
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well guys..the processor still new...for whom that run it now r like beta tester for overclocking...trying to find the stability...maybe now can't...maybe later can...its all depend on the hardware that we hav...the bios...the skill...try n error method, experience and our luck to find the sweet spot...the outcome will be not the same for each person... icon_rolleyes.gif

for this 45nm proc...if its fully supported by the harware n software than we can conclude the outcome...rite now is a challenge for us...to be the 4Ghz runner... hmm.gif wink.gif
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i think 4ghz is extremely easy to hit on this chip. Just bump a little voltage and there ya go.
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Jan 30 2008, 09:39 AM)
i think 4ghz is extremely easy to hit on this chip. Just bump a little voltage and there ya go.
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Yes agree...but depend on mobo voltage input n the mobo vdroop actually...from my experience same processor with 2 different mobo...the Gigabyte mobo can OC this chick better with low voltage input than the Biostar...coz the Biostar vdroop is like 0.02v plus minus...well the bios still crappy...

others lets share our experience...

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this is the fastest 4 i can hit .
Performance Level 1.

Orthos Priority 9 Small FFT 8 hours run
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Sandra Score - 9332Mb's hmm cannot see the thing.. but thats written in GB's
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Aqumark3 - 242017
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3dmark01SE - 72922
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3dmark06 - 14250
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 30 2008, 10:48 AM)
this is the fastest 4 i can hit .
Performance Level 1.

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its very gud already passed 8 hours at priority 9 thumbup.gif

but y different reading cpu speed at orthos n everest??



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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Jan 30 2008, 10:53 AM)
its very gud already passed 8 hours at priority 9 thumbup.gif

but y different reading cpu speed at orthos n everest??
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 30 2008, 10:57 AM)
it will always detect the highest multi..
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ic...I will try to test it later..

Super Pi 1M @ 11.xxx s...which mean running at 4Ghz rite?? not 4.49Ghz like ur orthos reading...coz if u running at 4.49Ghz its like 10.xxx s of super pi 1M...

what's vcore feed in bios??

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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Jan 30 2008, 11:00 AM)
ic...I will try to test it later..

Super Pi 1M @ 11.xxx s...which mean running at 4Ghz rite?? not 4.49Ghz like ur orthos reading...coz if u running at 4.49Ghz its like 10.xxx s of super pi 1M...

what's vcore feed in bios??
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uploading results now as i run them..

dude if u can see that 4.5ghz y not look at the cpuid..
i used everest cause smaller than running 3 cpuz's..

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 30 2008, 11:09 AM)
updated with aquamark and 3dmark score..
uploading results now as i run them..

dude if u can see that 4.5ghz y not look at the cpuid..
i used everest cause smaller than running 3 cpuz's..
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yeah i know...just asking.. icon_rolleyes.gif
what's ur vcore in bios??

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Hey guys, don't get this wrong. That E8400 is NOT 4.5Ghz stable smile.gif

If you look carefully, he is running 8 x 500. Orthos has a bug reporting the actual Mhz because it will always assume your multiplier as the default one (in this case 9x). It also means if you run 7.5 x 500 or 8 x 500, it will report as 4500Mhz (9 x 500) - try it yourself.

This justifies why:

1. It is so stable - because it's only 4Ghz anyway smile.gif
2. The Super PI score is 11.xx seconds (I manage to get 10.xx seconds)

At the same time, I don't understand why he's posting without a CPU-Z screenshot hmm.gif
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 30 2008, 12:17 PM)
Hey guys, don't get this wrong. That E8400 is NOT 4.5Ghz stable smile.gif

If you look carefully, he is running 8 x 500. Orthos has a bug reporting the actual Mhz because it will always assume your multiplier as the default one (in this case 9x). It also means if you run 7.5 x 500 or 8 x 500, it will report as 4500Mhz (9 x 500) - try it yourself.

This justifies why:

1. It is so stable - because it's only 4Ghz anyway smile.gif
2. The Super PI score is 11.xx seconds (I manage to get 10.xx seconds)---BS

At the same time, I don't understand why he's posting without a CPU-Z screenshot hmm.gif
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hmm sometime u baffle me..

cpuz i have to run 3.. ram. proc

but in one everest cpuid u get to see them all.--

dude..
i dunno what to say to u anymore..
especially when u ask y i ran everest CPUid...

errr duh smaller..??

and ure less than 11sec i call BS all the way...
post something if anything..

last post in the thread..wasting my time.

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 30 2008, 12:17 PM)
Hey guys, don't get this wrong. That E8400 is NOT 4.5Ghz stable smile.gif

If you look carefully, he is running 8 x 500. Orthos has a bug reporting the actual Mhz because it will always assume your multiplier as the default one (in this case 9x). It also means if you run 7.5 x 500 or 8 x 500, it will report as 4500Mhz (9 x 500) - try it yourself.

This justifies why:

1. It is so stable - because it's only 4Ghz anyway smile.gif
2. The Super PI score is 11.xx seconds (I manage to get 10.xx seconds)

At the same time, I don't understand why he's posting without a CPU-Z screenshot hmm.gif
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i already stated in my previous post...yes he ran 4.0Ghz only not 4.5Ghz...orthos will read x9...but its x8 actually...u can refer to everest cpuid there...

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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Jan 30 2008, 12:46 PM)
@clawwy
i already stated in my previous post...yes he ran 4.0Ghz only not 4.5Ghz...orthos will read x9...but its x8 actually...u can refer to everest cpuid there...
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bro but his claims of 4ghz less than 11.. is BS..

have u seen anybody do less than 11?? on 4ghz.. impossible.

heck for each 0.2s drop u need to overclock ure proc.
windows optimization and ram optimization max differen 0.1-0.2s also..

beginning do doubt clawhammer even has a e8400.

later when i get back my team xtream pC2-6400 CL3 and OC i doubt the difference will be more than 0.1s or less than that.

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 30 2008, 01:57 AM)
CPU are like girls, they are always different. Some likes it hot, some likes it cold smile.gif

You don't have to apologize or ask forgiveness. Don't feel so upset about it - small issue.
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some like it long or some like it wide too whistling.gif ( what did your perverted minds think? =__= , i was referring to wide based HSF or longer ones) hahha

and then some likes to be smacked around a little before they will OC well whistling.gif aka "burn in"
hahahaha, ok off topic ade

but what is the noticeable difference between e8xxx and e6xxx other then clock speeds and voltage? any other performance gains?

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 30 2008, 12:54 PM)
bro but his claims of 4ghz less than 11.. is BS..

have u seen anybody do less than 11?? on 4ghz.. impossible.

heck for each 0.2s drop u need to overclock ure proc.
windows optimization and ram optimization max differen 0.1-0.2s also..

beginning do doubt clawhammer even has a e8400.

later when i get back my team xtream pC2-6400 CL3 and OC i doubt the difference will be more than 0.1s or less than that.
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let me make this clear

on 4.0Ghz super Pi 1M = 11.xxx s
on 4.5Ghz super Pi 1M = 10.xxx s

yeah u wont get under 11s for 4.0Ghz...

@clawwy...
dont be so mean to him..he's trying to prove that E8400 stable at 4.0Ghz not 4.5Ghz...he did apologize in his previous post...
he didnt put the cpuz screenie coz everest cpuid can conclude all info in 1 screen rather than having 3 different cpu-z with different tab...
we r here to discuss not firing or offense each other indirect or direct way... icon_rolleyes.gif dude

@bryanyeo87...
its different both E8 series n E6 series interm of 45nm/60nm and the L2 cache size...also in power usage and tempreture (but rite now seem all mobo got problem with this)...performance gain 6% plus minus in application n game..u can goggle to find a review for those processor

here some screenie from x-bit labs for stock speed...imagine if u OC it...
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Typical Malaysian = get upset when people give comments smile.gif

Well, I'm not being mean to anyone and I've no idea why you guys felt so. On the flip side, maybe we should start learning how to accept positive and constructive critism/opinions. Plus, retaliating with personal attacks doesn't show maturity.

Actually I can just disregard and let all of you continue your discussion but my main point is; let's just post one or two sensible screen shot of OC that will help others with their E8400 too smile.gif It's easier for people to refer as well (look at what other forums do). We're here to share and discuss, not to feel upset when someone disagrees. Sometimes there's no right or wrong so don't always think when someone says something against you, they are putting you at fault.

Last but not least, let's try to improve the quality of our posts in the forums.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 30 2008, 02:14 PM)
Typical Malaysian = get upset when people give comments smile.gif

Well, I'm not being mean to anyone and I've no idea why you guys felt so. On the flip side, maybe we should start learning how to accept positive and constructive critism/opinions. Plus, retaliating with personal attacks doesn't show maturity.

Actually I can just disregard and let all of you continue your discussion but my main point is; let's just post one or two sensible screen shot of OC that will help others with their E8400 too smile.gif It's easier for people to refer as well (look at what other forums do). We're here to share and discuss, not to feel upset when someone disagrees. Sometimes there's no right or wrong so don't always think when someone says something against you, they are putting you at fault.

Last but not least, let's try to improve the quality of our posts in the forums.
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maybe indirectly he felt like that bcoz u keep on questioning his post...I agree with the positive thinking way...well lets continue discussing... rclxm9.gif

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Thanks bro smile.gif I don't go against people, trust me. Actually myself is also confused when there are multiple screenies. Maybe all of us should try hitting 4Ghz (for a start) and post one up with the core voltage so it's easier to compare.

I know Mr. AoiNatsume has a good chip.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 30 2008, 02:38 PM)
Thanks bro smile.gif I don't go against people, trust me. Actually myself is also confused when there are multiple screenies. Maybe all of us should try hitting 4Ghz (for a start) and post one up with the core voltage so it's easier to compare.

I know Mr. AoiNatsume has a good chip.
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yup true..

and those who claims to do less than 11sec sp1m also post their first screen shots of them owning a e8400..

more to learn.

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 30 2008, 02:38 PM)
Thanks bro smile.gif I don't go against people, trust me. Actually myself is also confused when there are multiple screenies. Maybe all of us should try hitting 4Ghz (for a start) and post one up with the core voltage so it's easier to compare.

I know Mr. AoiNatsume has a good chip.
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forgive me for being the peace keeper sweat.gif
the E8400 will perform well if u plug in on a supported mobo...if im not mistaken..i have read somewhere that it perform better on x38 rather than p35 board...

Mr. AoiNatsume has a good chip...yes indeed n some more pair it with gigabyte mobo...i trust he will reach a good high clockable speed icon_idea.gif

I myself kind of in dilemma of this crap temperature reading...so i decide to wait for next bios update for this Biostar board...

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forgive me for being the peace keeper sweat.gif
the E8400 will perform well if u plug in on a supported mobo...if im not mistaken..i have read somewhere that it perform better on x38 rather than p35 board...

Mr. AoiNatsume has a good chip...yes indeed n some more pair it with gigabyte mobo...i trust he will reach a good high clockable speed icon_idea.gif

I myself kind of in dilemma of this crap temperature reading...so i decide to wait for next bios update for this Biostar board...
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hmm the p35 do clock higher..

i know u, aiunatsume and me have this proc..

hmm one thing weird is his proc doesnt scale well after 3.8ghz..
thats not a good thing..

proc scaling with vcore determines a good proc... ...i wonder .. i know uve out of the seen a long time and just went to intel procs recently..
dont u know about scaling with vcore determines the proc??
ive seen ppl with 4ghz at 1.2v but to hit 4.2ghz they need 1.4v...

and dont blame malaysian mentality when somebody gives a baseless comment..
and a stupid remark y use everest cpuid..

hmm i am posting..
somebody here commenting..
geee quality degradation. here..
claims of under 11s at 4gz and changing the topic just shows useless comments are being made.... just like my maid that i fired with her signature rig below.. ekeke:P
especially after all this pages no post..

ok cut the chit chat..
POST dude..

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IMO...this babe wont give any prob under 4.0Ghz...but the challenge begin when going beyond 4.0Ghz...beside the crap temp....vdroop is the main thing to monitor when priming it to the stability...


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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Jan 30 2008, 03:04 PM)
IMO...this babe wont give any prob under 4.0Ghz...but the challenge begin when going beyond 4.0Ghz...beside the crap temp....vdroop is the main thing to monitor when priming it to the stability...
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hmm the maximus has no droop.
so far i have given up going above 500fsb..

will post the next 100mhz jump
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 30 2008, 02:14 PM)
Typical Malaysian = get upset when people give comments smile.gif

Well, I'm not being mean to anyone and I've no idea why you guys felt so. On the flip side, maybe we should start learning how to accept positive and constructive critism/opinions. Plus, retaliating with personal attacks doesn't show maturity.

Actually I can just disregard and let all of you continue your discussion but my main point is; let's just post one or two sensible screen shot of OC that will help others with their E8400 too smile.gif It's easier for people to refer as well (look at what other forums do). We're here to share and discuss, not to feel upset when someone disagrees. Sometimes there's no right or wrong so don't always think when someone says something against you, they are putting you at fault.

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I couldn't agree with you more. I like to post all details of my OC instead of posting some vague OC settings..... a lot would just post "My proc can do 3.5Ghz at 1.35v, without indicating anything like where the 1.35v reading comes from, is it at full load, what is the bios setting, what is the vdrop/vdroop of the mobo, how's the stability, etc.....

The same thing with ram OC e.g. my ram can do 1200mhz.... which actually means nothing without the timings AND vdimm.....

It actually gives misinformation and confusion to our forumers....

And finally, like I always say, this is ONLY a forum...... why in the world would you get upset/distress/angry over a forum..... rclxub.gif

Edit : Please note this is directed at no one in particular... smile.gif

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 30 2008, 03:07 PM)
hmm the maximus has no droop.
so far i have given up going above 500fsb..

will post the next 100mhz jump
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gud for u then...this mean when u set the vcore in bios...it will give the same reading in window...and no vdroop when on load...ur E8400 will perform nice in low voltage....

in my case...my Biostar board voltage reading is not accurate...bios read different from window...and on load...the vdroop is 0.02v plus minus...which mean...if i wanna 1.35v...i have to set it higher abit 1.37v...so when vdroop...its down to 1.35v....

if some one had result under 11s of SP1M when this babe running at 4.0Ghz...do pls show some screenie... icon_question.gif

QUOTE(kmarc @ Jan 30 2008, 03:09 PM)
I couldn't agree with you more. I like to post all details of my OC instead of posting some vague OC settings..... a lot would just post "My proc can  do 3.5Ghz at 1.35v, without indicating anything like where the 1.35v reading comes from, is it at full load, what is the bios setting, what is the vdrop/vdroop of the mobo, how's the stability, etc.....

The same thing with ram OC e.g. my ram can do 1200mhz.... which actually means nothing without the timings AND vdimm.....

It actually gives misinformation and confusion to our forumers....

And finally, like I always say, this is ONLY a forum...... why in the world would you get upset/distress/angry over a forum.....  rclxub.gif

Edit : Please note this is directed at no one in particular...  smile.gif
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yup...more screenie mean more info...
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Jan 30 2008, 03:16 PM)
gud for u then...this mean when u set the vcore in bios...it will give the same reading in window...and no vdroop when on load...ur E8400 will perform nice in low voltage....

in my case...my Biostar board voltage reading is not accurate...bios read different from window...and on load...the vdroop is 0.02v plus minus...which mean...if i wanna 1.35v...i have to set it higher abit 1.37v...so when vdroop...its down to 1.35v....

if some one had result under 11s of SP1M when this babe running at 4.0Ghz...do pls show some screenie... icon_question.gif
yup...more screenie mean more info...
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set in bios and u get different is Bios Droop

Vdroop happens when u have a difference of load and idle

the Maximus has 0.01875v bios droop
and no Vdroop.

the problem is not to eliminate the bios droop
is to eliminate the Vdroop..

i can eliminate the bios droop via pencil mod.. but it means nothing..
just theoretical settings for a board that has unbelievable max voltages or everything.

okay found 4.1ghz.. and now running orthos prime priority 9..


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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 30 2008, 03:24 PM)
set in bios and u get different is Bios Droop

Vdroop happens when u have a difference of load and idle

the Maximus has 0.01875v bios droop
and no Vdroop.

the problem is not to eliminate the bios droop
is to eliminate the Vdroop..

i can eliminate the bios droop via pencil mod.. but it means nothing..
just theoretical settings for a board that has unbelievable max voltages or everything.

okay found 4.1ghz.. and now running orthos prime priority 9..
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the bios and windows giving different reading doesnt bother me much....the things is the vdroop of 0.02v on load is the "kacau" one sweat.gif ...if small or none...like u said the Maximus...should be very2x nice...

for Giga n Asus board atleast they hav reliable software...not for Biostar...totally crap...

go go 4.1Ghz rclxm9.gif

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the bios and windows giving different reading doesnt bother me much....the things is the vdroop of 0.02v on load is the "kacau" one sweat.gif ...if small or none...like u said the Maximus...should be very2x nice...

for Giga n Asus board atleast they hav reliable software...not for Biostar...totally crap...

go go 4.1Ghz rclxm9.gif
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gigabyte has vdroop.

as far as i know their x38 u need to do a vmod..
so kindda difficult..

the maximus bios load line calibration kills off vdroop.
but i did notice before the 0603 bios came out to make it work
that the pencil mod uses less vcore

hmm 4.1 at 1.328

dude trust me.. i know what i am talking about
this proc.. the GTL for NB makes a difference. on lowering the vcore cause most of the stability problem was caused by the cache...

thats the hard thing with this proc..
not to get the vcore stable
but to get the mem/nb stable.


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Thanks kmarc smile.gif

As for cstkl1, you can continue to feel upset and be defensive, I seriously can't help you on that. Plus, I don't lose anything if you want to do it this way. If it makes you feel better to come at me and be personal, by all means go ahead biggrin.gif It only shows to the rest of the people around here the type of person you are. Have fun and good luck.

flatfinger, more screenies can provide more info but we can include all those into one (Core Temp, CPU-Z, Orthos, 3dmark, etc). I can post a screenie everytime I manage to get Super PI completed after I OC but for others to refer and search back, it's a hassle and not to mention creates confusion. I know everyone is excited to share the good results (sharing is caring) but keeping the thread clean with good information would certainly help others too biggrin.gif Btw, how much Vcore do you need for 4Ghz?
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 30 2008, 03:45 PM)
gigabyte has vdroop.

as far as i know their x38 u need to do a vmod..
so kindda difficult..

the maximus bios load line calibration kills off vdroop.
but i did notice before the 0603 bios came out to make it work
that the pencil mod uses less vcore

hmm 4.1 at 1.328

dude trust me.. i know what i am talking about
this proc.. the GTL for NB makes a difference. on lowering the vcore cause most of the stability problem was caused by the cache...

thats the hard thing with this proc..
not to get the vcore stable
but to get the mem/nb stable.
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like i said before...this babe will unleash her true skin if pairing with a gud board that hav gud bios...gud ram oso la...need a 1000Mhz to run 1:1...hehehe brows.gif



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Thanks kmarc smile.gif

As for cstkl1, you can continue to feel upset and be defensive, I seriously can't help you on that. Plus, I don't lose anything if you want to do it this way. If it makes you feel better to come at me and be personal, by all means go ahead biggrin.gif It only shows to the rest of the people around here the type of person you are. Have fun and good luck.

flatfinger, more screenies can provide more info but we can include all those into one (Core Temp, CPU-Z, Orthos, 3dmark, etc). I can post a screenie everytime I manage to get Super PI completed after I OC but for others to refer and search back, it's a hassle and not to mention creates confusion. I know everyone is excited to share the good results (sharing is caring) but keeping the thread clean with good information would certainly help others too biggrin.gif Btw, how much Vcore do you need for 4Ghz?
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dude
i aint attacking u for anything
u just stated something that was impossible..... thats what irritated me..
cause before that all ure questions were legitimate.

after that claim of 4ghz at less than 11sec..

it proves 2 things.
1. u dont have the proc.
2. ure dwindling with excuses.

hence i asked for a screenshot.
just post that...

i am posting screenshots.
heck so far on this thread i am 4ghz proven stable.


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like i said before...this babe will unleash her true skin if pairing with a gud board that hav gud bios...gud ram oso la...need a 1000Mhz to run 1:1...hehehe brows.gif
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best ram and often understated for that is the OCZ titanium alpha VX2

heck the sub timings are very tight...

so far so good
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I'm sorry guys but I have to respond since he's directing to me biggrin.gif

In fact I don't mind if you attack, insult or flame me. As I say, I don't lose anything but you're just opening up and showing others what kind of person you are. Besides, you're doing it to almost everyone and have no respect for Bryan, Kucingfight, etc (I searched your posts and read some of them) smile.gif

Let's not continue here and if you have issues, do it via PM and involve a moderator or admin. Don't do this for me but for the sake of everyone else in LY.net because this is a Pennryn thread.

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 30 2008, 03:54 PM)
flatfinger, more screenies can provide more info but we can include all those into one (Core Temp, CPU-Z, Orthos, 3dmark, etc). I can post a screenie everytime I manage to get Super PI completed after I OC but for others to refer and search back, it's a hassle and not to mention creates confusion. I know everyone is excited to share the good results (sharing is caring) but keeping the thread clean with good information would certainly help others too biggrin.gif Btw, how much Vcore do you need for 4Ghz?
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to boot @4.0Ghz...bios need to set 1.32v...but it will not stable due to vdroop if priming...so i need to feed 1.37v in bios...window read 1.39v...on priming the vdroop of 0.02v...make it back at 1.37v...i try priming only 15 minute coz the weird temperature reading bother me much...priming reach 75' on water cooler... sweat.gif ...so i didnt continue...waiting next bios update hopefully solve this problem...
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 30 2008, 04:06 PM)
START - TOTALLY OFF TOPIC

I'm sorry guys but I have to respond since he's directing to me biggrin.gif

In fact I don't mind if you attack, insult or flame me. As I say, I don't lose anything but you're just opening up and showing others what kind of person you are. Besides, you're doing it to almost everyone and have no respect for Bryan, Kucingfight, etc (I searched your posts and read some of them) smile.gif

Let's not continue here and if you have issues, do it via PM and involve a moderator or admin. Don't do this for me but for the sake of everyone else in LY.net because this is a Pennryn thread.

END - TOTALLY OFF TOPIC
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dude
what the hell
i am just asking
do u have a 4ghz sp1m less than 11sec proc.??if so post the screenshot.. whats the big deal.

ure keep changing topic.. while i am still talking about the proc and u are not obviously

a reply to your off topic remark.
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okay let me edit everything i said ..

base settings used on maximus if u must know

taken from XS bios setting template for maximus

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flatfinger, same with mine. I need around that voltage to get it stable at 4Ghz smile.gif I'm suprised some E8400 can do superbly at lower voltages. Someone in Xtreme forums had the same batch as mine and his is a super overclockable chip.

One thing for sure is all of them can easily boot up and Super PI in Windows at high clock speed biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 30 2008, 04:21 PM)
flatfinger, same with mine. I need around that voltage to get it stable at 4Ghz smile.gif I'm suprised some E8400 can do superbly at lower voltages. Someone in Xtreme forums had the same batch as mine and his is a super overclockable chip.

One thing for sure is all of them can easily boot up and Super PI in Windows at high clock speed biggrin.gif
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again i said its depend on what board that u plug it in...coz i try mine to my fren Giga board...it can easily boot 4.4Ghz at 1.375v only..some more running SP1M...

can u post some screenie of ur E8400...


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base settings used on maximus if u must know

taken from XS bios setting template for maximus

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huhu...most of the voltage is high..looking at NB and FSB totally higher than mine only below 1.5v...that pop an idea of theory in my head...but this weird temp reading holding me back... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Jan 30 2008, 04:26 PM)
again i said its depend on what board that u plug it in...coz i try mine to my fren Giga board...it can easily boot 4.4Ghz at 1.375v only..some more running SP1M...

can u post some screenie of ur E8400...


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huhu...most of the voltage is high..looking at NB and FSB totally higher than mine only below 1.5v...that pop an idea of theory in my head...but this weird temp reading holding me back... sweat.gif
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no choice
if not
orthos might not be stable

but it will fail memtest windows.. my requirement is 1000% with no errors.

rams.. hmm i think my rams die gonna die already eventhough they are rated to run at 2.3 with Ovp 2.35..
oh wel..
at least didnt burn like one pair of the team rams.. that one memang scared the crap out of me. thought mobo gone case.

hmm orthos priority 9 no joke.. need more vcore..

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 30 2008, 05:16 PM)
no choice
if not
orthos might be stable

but it will fail memtest windows.. my requirement is 1000% with no errors.

rams.. hmm i think my rams die gonna die already eventhough they are rated to run at 2.3 with OCp 2.35..
oh wel..
at least didnt burn like one pair of the team rams.. that one memang scared the crap out of me. thought mobo gone case.

hmm orthos priority 9 no joke.. need more vcore..
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i never push above 2.2v to my tracer...n always put fan hovering them...

try ur best on getting stable clock...gambatte!!!

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The Ballistix Tracers are hot and I had a fan on top of them too. It does high Mhz pretty easily too and same like you, I never had it above 2.2V smile.gif

I'll post my E8400 @ 4Ghz when I get home (done yesterday).
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Jan 30 2008, 05:30 PM)
i never push above 2.2v to my tracer...n always put fan hovering them...

try ur best on getting stable clock...gambatte!!!
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 30 2008, 05:34 PM)
The Ballistix Tracers are hot and I had a fan on top of them too. It does high Mhz pretty easily too and same like you, I never had it above 2.2V smile.gif

I'll post my E8400 @ 4Ghz when I get home (done yesterday).
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finally.

tracers are hot .. had one of the earlier batches..
totally recommended to buy the corsair dominator airflow kit rather than placing a fan... rm90 and ure set.

u get more direct airflow.. static flow rather than a spread flow from a larger fan.

cons on any ballistix..
they degrade faster cause of the silly heatsink on it.

okay confirm ram bye bye.. heck now 800 CL4 2.3 also errors...
will bench later at night temps too high..

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i never push above 2.2v to my tracer...n always put fan hovering them...

try ur best on getting stable clock...gambatte!!!
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Yeah, don't push your crucial rams above 2.2v...... many forums say that crucial rams has an increased chance of kaput at higher than 2.2v.....
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 30 2008, 05:38 PM)
finally.

tracers are hot .. had one of the earlier batches..
totally recommended to buy the corsair dominator airflow kit rather than placing a fan... rm90 and ure set.

u get more direct airflow.. static flow  rather than a spread flow from a larger fan.

cons on any ballistix..
they degrade faster cause of the silly heatsink on it.

okay confirm ram bye bye.. heck now 800 CL4 2.3 also errors...
will bench later at night temps too high..
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lol... there are alternative ram coolers that are much cheaper....
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true bro
but build quality and heck they even sleeved the wires..
its just undeniable value ..and best part easy to remove and doesnt take much space.

found a interesting read

tested..

lowered my NB and changed accordingly..

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3208&p=9

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i am thinking about getting the corsair fan coolers too. Looks nice and neat.. and its good u dont have to put heatsinks that dont actually cool the ram.
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i am thinking about getting the corsair fan coolers too. Looks nice and neat.. and its good u dont have to put heatsinks that dont actually cool the ram.
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it answer some of the questions u posed.

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sishh the no of dumbasses buying that team elite rams..

pity them..
just had a view at the garage sales..

heck later they going to blame the mobo for it not being stable.

oh well what to do need to "respect" ppl ..

okay i want to give some of u ppl caution on reviews

example...
of dumbasses who dont know how to test rams

1.http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/OCZ_Reaper_8500/index3.shtml
QUOTE
I immediately ran CPUZ only to discover that the memory was clocking in at 1066MHz with 4-4-4-15 memory timings!! What's this? Did I accidentally get some VX2 memory?

basket needs a 101 class on straps.

and this guy is not on the only one on this planet who gets sponsered for crap review.


reason for this comment..
a lot of u are going to do 500fsb on this proc..
trust me.. this is where u are going to see false claims of ram potential fall flat on ure face.'

this is y i like pcmodding reviews..
he test it on amd systems once in a while..

this site ..
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=618

good review.. he points out straps. bus. and whole memset timings with some form of stability test.
so happy shopping ppl.


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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 30 2008, 06:25 PM)
true bro
but build quality and heck they even sleeved the wires..
its just undeniable value ..and best part easy to remove and doesnt take much space.

found a interesting read

tested..

lowered my NB and changed accordingly..

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3208&p=9
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ermm..so mean...at some speed...we hav to loose the trd setting abit...rite?? correct me if im wrong...
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ermm..so mean...at some speed...we hav to loose the trd setting abit...rite?? correct me if im wrong...
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hmm anandtech explained it best
on trd vs NB voltages..

and whats the lowest u can achieve..

check it out..


Added on January 31, 2008, 9:43 amanother tip.. if
ure rams can do 1:1 400 3-3-3-8 at around 2.3v stable on Orthos Large FFT 15 minutes min.. doesnt matter priority..

u would have no probs running 1000mhz Cl4

if u can do 1:1 400 3-4-3-9 at 2.2 v stable orthos large fft 15 minutes
u should have no problem running either of these
1000mhz 5-5-5-15
1000mhz 4-5-4-12

promos might be 2.3v for the above.
Ballistix should be able to do 3-4-3-9 Trd 6 at 2.2v easy..

Example of good rams..
RM400-450 with OVP 2.35v only.. and in a few words.. AWESOME.. do u guys watch the series " Chuck"... mr.awesome..
OCZ best lineup rams..
1. Titanium Alpha VX2.. hmm kindda sad i sold that off cheap.
2. OCZ Patinum PC2-8500
3. OCZ Reaper PC2-8500

Vdimm Droop 2.304-2.32..
[attachmentid=390852]

Tip:

one note however this rams are binned at CL5..

so their CL4 overclocking wont be that good..
rams that are binned at CL3 will rock on CL4.

it pays to do ure homework and find out crappy reviews.

oh yeah just realize theres another way of boosting ure sandra scores

theres 3 ways
1.Cache Latency
2.Trd..
3.hmm will tell u if u wanna know.. tongue.gif but for this the lowest setting i have ever seen on stock is the Titanium Alpha VX2. all other rams are not as tight as these rams.

advantageous of bandwidth.. mainly ure graphic card... here is an example of on the spot posting..
[attachmentid=390862]
[attachmentid=390863] - sishh 200k aquamark nowadays.. damn easy.


Added on January 31, 2008, 4:15 pm
edited.. no wars.. patience is the key.


hmm i wonder should i do a review on this rams..
anybody interested in buying them?? not from me but u know..

got some ppl review on rams here kindda silly on 1:1.. CL5 on all of the..
i think he needs to read on TRD's..


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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 31 2008, 09:41 AM)
hmm anandtech explained it best
on trd vs NB voltages..

and whats the lowest u can achieve..

check it out..


Added on January 31, 2008, 9:43 amanother tip.. if
ure rams can do 1:1 400 3-3-3-8 at around 2.3v stable on Orthos Large FFT 15 minutes min.. doesnt matter priority..

u would have no probs running 1000mhz Cl4

if u can do 1:1 400 3-4-3-9 at 2.2 v stable orthos large fft 15 minutes
u should have no problem running either of these
1000mhz 5-5-5-15
1000mhz 4-5-4-12

promos might be 2.3v for the above.
Ballistix should be able to do 3-4-3-9 Trd 6 at 2.2v easy..

Example of good rams..
RM400-450 with OVP 2.35v only.. and in a few words.. AWESOME.. do u guys watch the series " Chuck"... mr.awesome..
OCZ best lineup rams..
1. Titanium Alpha VX2.. hmm kindda sad i sold that off cheap.
2. OCZ Patinum PC2-8500
3. OCZ Reaper PC2-8500

Vdimm Droop 2.304-2.32..
[attachmentid=390852]

Tip:

one note however this rams are binned at CL5..

so their CL4 overclocking wont be that good..
rams that are binned at CL3 will rock on CL4.

it pays to do ure homework and find out crappy reviews.

oh yeah just realize theres another way of boosting ure sandra scores

theres 3 ways
1.Cache Latency
2.Trd..
3.hmm will tell u if u wanna know.. tongue.gif but for this the lowest setting i have ever seen on stock is the Titanium Alpha VX2. all other rams are not as tight as these rams.

advantageous of bandwidth.. mainly ure graphic card... here is an example of on the spot posting..
[attachmentid=390862]
[attachmentid=390863] - sishh 200k aquamark nowadays.. damn easy.


Added on January 31, 2008, 4:15 pm
edited.. no wars.. patience is the key.
hmm i wonder should i do a review on this rams..
anybody interested in buying them?? not from me but u know..

got some ppl review on rams here kindda silly on 1:1.. CL5 on all of the..
i think he needs to read on TRD's..
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woah... 3.6ghz + stock GPU clock also can reach 210k+...
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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Jan 31 2008, 04:47 PM)
woah... 3.6ghz + stock GPU clock also can reach 210k+...
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the rams..
they boosted the aquamark score by 10k..

cause the other day i tried 3.6ghz 800 CL5 8800gts overclocked to 760/1860/2140.. only 203k..
maybe the graphic card was unstable.. didnt check..

aquamark shows a lot of boost on bandwidth.. hence real world application noted..

but this is definately a first for me..
heck real world gaming u dont need to go further than these.
doesnt make a difference much..

450mhz 4-4-3-8 trd lowest again at 2.3 oh yeah not going to go above this..
more powah..
[attachmentid=391159][attachmentid=391160][attachmentid=391162]

the 6mb cache.. is gila...+this D9's rock..
not as good as teams.. as even as much as i push the vdimm it is not going to budge 880 3-4-3-9..
but team CL3's rocks.. can do 900 3-3-3-8 .. hmm find it .. it one of my aquamark score somewhere in LYN...but at 2.4v powah...

this is the minimum i guess for D9's to do 1000mhz Cl4.
if u cant do this.. ure gonna be in trouble to do

characteristic of D9's
those that are bin at lower CL5.. 1066 CL5 example loves the precharge delay of 8 for CL4 and CL3 mainly
the 1000 Cl5 loves 3-4-3-9 and hence precharge delay of 9..
this is from my observations after spending more than 10k on rams last year...


Added on January 31, 2008, 11:00 pmokay no signs of world record SP1 m...
i wonder blowing on proc can make that 0.6-0.7sec disappear.. testing


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waaa...so long of explanation...im going to let go my Bio tp35d2-a7...any suggestion other brand mobo under RM400...

thinking of Abit p35-E..this blue board got my attention at 1st glance...but the prob is my psu only got 4pin atx...the Abit used 8 pin atx....yes it can be use...but how bout the stability??? since im going to push the Wolfdale...any comment???

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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 1 2008, 11:03 AM)
waaa...so long of explanation...im going to let go my Bio tp35d2-a7...any suggestion other brand mobo under RM400...

thinking of Abit p35-E..this blue board got my attention at 1st glance...but the prob is my psu only got 4pin atx...the Abit used 8 pin atx....yes it can be use...but how bout the stability??? since im going to push the Wolfdale...any comment???
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Asus P5k Premium...
for p35 that is not that expensive

Foxconn P35 Mars - Actual User here.. no imaginary..

both boards has a lot of pencil mods done

4 requirement to get a board

1. Max NB/PLL Voltages u have + GTL controls ( more beneficial when u go quadcore actually)
2. Ram Timings patricularly Sub timings TRD controls + Dram Reference Voltages
3. Max FSB stated Support by NB. if asus says 1600 that means no increase on Voltages etc 1.2v on NB can do 1600 on a capable proc.
4. Cooling of NB/Placement of common things.. that will affect heat transfer.
5. Vmod for insufficient NB/PLL voltages or pencil mod for droops.

most asus,dfi boards and the foxconn p35 mars adheres to this.

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 1 2008, 11:47 AM)
Asus P5k Premium...
for p35 that is not that expensive

Foxconn P35 Mars - Actual User here.. no imaginary..

both boards has a lot of pencil mods done

4 requirement to get a board

1. Max NB/PLL Voltages u have + GTL controls ( more beneficial when u go quadcore actually)
2. Ram Timings patricularly Sub timings TRD controls + Dram Reference Voltages
3. Max FSB stated Support by NB. if asus says 1600 that means no increase on Voltages etc 1.2v on NB can do 1600 on a capable proc.
4. Cooling of NB/Placement of common things.. that will affect heat transfer.
5. Vmod for insufficient NB/PLL voltages or pencil mod for droops.

most asus,dfi boards and the foxconn p35 mars adheres to this.
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they all above RM400...im not so "kaya" sleep.gif" sweat.gif
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 1 2008, 11:58 AM)
they all above RM400...im not so "kaya" sleep.gifsweat.gif
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well then no great oc for u

just plug and play eh
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 1 2008, 12:10 PM)
well then no great oc for u

just plug and play eh
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im not so extreme like u... tongue.gif...only so-so lar...
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 1 2008, 12:25 PM)
im not so extreme like u... tongue.gif...only so-so lar...
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wei this is not about so so..
its about maximising ure rams, proc , cooling..
to get ure moneys worth..

and guess what all of them are plugged into.. mobo..

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 1 2008, 01:15 PM)
wei this is not about so so..
its about maximising ure rams, proc , cooling..
to get ure moneys worth..

and guess what all of them are plugged into.. mobo..
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laugh.gif im maximising rams, proc , cooling on the midrange....u on the high-end brows.gif ...so how's ur high-end performing...ure ur money or not...

by the way...doing some surfing around n found Abit p35-E also got the temperature problem...there's a user that got 60' reading rite after plugin E8400 on it.....

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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 1 2008, 02:34 PM)
laugh.gif im maximising rams, proc , cooling on the midrange....u on the high-end brows.gif ...so how's ur high-end performing...ure ur money or not...

by the way...doing some surfing around n found Abit p35-E also got the temperature problem...there's a user that got 60' reading rite after plugin E8400 on it.....
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hell yeah
i am not going to let my 4x 1gb creap of the crop Team Xtreem PC2-6400 Cl3 touch anything but pure vanilla.

but i must admit.. pretty damn impressed with the reapers PC2-8500... was recommended by a friend in XS who lagi extreme .. will open the heatsink and use his own custom water cooling on those rams.

btw.. day 2 world record 4ghz no show.. hmm maybe it was a 8mb cache.. intel supersecret proc tersilap packaging..is out.



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flatfinger, many boards are having issues with the temps. Also, I found out that most people had their E8400's stable around 4.0 - 4.3Ghz max. The rest are able to boot into Windows for Super PI but we can't use it because it isn't stable.

I got mine around 4.1Ghz at 1.4x Vcore but sold it off two days ago. I guess I'll just wait a bit before getting another one.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 1 2008, 03:41 PM)
flatfinger, many boards are having issues with the temps. Also, I found out that most people had their E8400's stable around 4.0 - 4.3Ghz max. The rest are able to boot into Windows for Super PI but we can't use it because it isn't stable.

I got mine around 4.1Ghz at 1.4x Vcore but sold it off two days ago. I guess I'll just wait a bit before getting another one.
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i need ur screenies for ur E8400...

yeah i know 4.0Ghz-4.3Ghz stable can be done with the rite voltage...the prob is the temp...actually i kind of "sayang" my bio board...it can do 510 fsb...really nice...
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I lost my screenie after I ghosted my clean copy of Vista over. 4.1Ghz is the best I could do after a few days of playing. I tried all I could to get Orthos running stable at 4.2Ghz+ but can't smile.gif

I can do 8 x 500 as well but after owning and knowing it isn't stable at 4.5Ghz like what most people and reviews claim it can do, I decided to sell it off.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 1 2008, 03:59 PM)
I lost my screenie after I ghosted my clean copy of Vista over. 4.1Ghz is the best I could do after a few days of playing. I tried all I could to get Orthos running stable at 4.2Ghz+ but can't smile.gif

I can do 8 x 500 as well but after owning and knowing it isn't stable at 4.5Ghz like what most people and reviews claim it can do, I decided to sell it off.
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laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
selling it already...who's buying it???

FYI, E8400 is not going to be stable orthos at 4.5Ghz with lower voltage...to reach stable 4.3Ghz-4.4Ghz u must feed at least 1.5v with an increase Vmch n Vfsb n other bios voltage tweaking...

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I've tried that and it doesn't work so does plenty of people (I frequent other forums as well). If we can do 8 x 500, it means the board has no problems reaching 500FSB (taking into account VMCH, Vdimm, ICHIO, etc) but if 9 x 465 tend to have stability issues, it is most likely the CPU.

I also don't post screenshots of Super PI's and if I don't get a good overclock, I'll never post it up biggrin.gif I posted in garage sales 2-3 days ago and yes, someone bought it - not our usual OC kaki though.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 1 2008, 04:41 PM)
I've tried that and it doesn't work so does plenty of people (I frequent other forums as well). If we can do 8 x 500, it means the board has no problems reaching 500FSB (taking into account VMCH, Vdimm, ICHIO, etc) but if 9 x 465 tend to have stability issues, it is most likely the CPU.

I also don't post screenshots of Super PI's and if I don't get a good overclock, I'll never post it up biggrin.gif I posted in garage sales 2-3 days ago and yes, someone bought it - not our usual OC kaki though.
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so what's ur next target proc??? the Yorkfield ???? whistling.gif

team KOC managed to do 5.0Ghz on dry ice if im not mistaken..

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Btw, I tried on both ABIT IP35-Pro and Foxconn Mars with no luck getting it stable. Perhaps my E8400 is just not a super overclock but Aoi's one looks promising.

I can't afford Yorkfield but hopefully Intel comes out with better overclockable Wolfdale smile.gif I'd be happy to get another one.


Added on February 1, 2008, 4:54 pmYes, some guys at Xtreme manage to go beyond 5Ghz w/o Dry Ice too. It's not stable, just for the fun of CPU-Z and Super PI screenies biggrin.gif


Added on February 1, 2008, 4:59 pmHere are some good stuffs. A fellow Swedish overclocker with E8400 on the Foxconn Mars:

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=305556

http://bandwidth.se/imgs/nouser/spi9625523a781a.jpg

He did this on air cooling smile.gif

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 1 2008, 04:53 PM)
Btw, I tried on both ABIT IP35-Pro and Foxconn Mars with no luck getting it stable. Perhaps my E8400 is just not a super overclock but Aoi's one looks promising.

I can't afford Yorkfield but hopefully Intel comes out with better overclockable Wolfdale smile.gif I'd be happy to get another one.


Added on February 1, 2008, 4:54 pmYes, some guys at Xtreme manage to go beyond 5Ghz w/o Dry Ice too. It's not stable, just for the fun of CPU-Z and Super PI screenies biggrin.gif


Added on February 1, 2008, 4:59 pmHere are some good stuffs. A fellow Swedish overclocker with E8400 on the Foxconn Mars:

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=305556

http://bandwidth.se/imgs/nouser/spi9625523a781a.jpg

He did this on air cooling smile.gif
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that 1 is E8500...maybe the characteristic is different...or something...
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cheh..
world record 4ghz gone to somebody who never overclocks..


hmm heck i would have bought that proc.

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@clawwy

on ABIT IP35-Pro and Foxconn Mars...what the E8400 temp on both board?? idle n load? default n OC??

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Idle at stock voltage is around 40C+ and load can go up to 70C+
However when I touch the heatsink, it's not hot and I can leave my fingers there as long as I want. Other people reported temp reading problems on their boards too so we just have to wait for a BIOS fix or maybe Core Temp itself.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 1 2008, 04:53 PM)
Btw, I tried on both ABIT IP35-Pro and Foxconn Mars with no luck getting it stable. Perhaps my E8400 is just not a super overclock but Aoi's one looks promising.

I can't afford Yorkfield but hopefully Intel comes out with better overclockable Wolfdale smile.gif I'd be happy to get another one.


Added on February 1, 2008, 4:54 pmYes, some guys at Xtreme manage to go beyond 5Ghz w/o Dry Ice too. It's not stable, just for the fun of CPU-Z and Super PI screenies biggrin.gif


Added on February 1, 2008, 4:59 pmHere are some good stuffs. A fellow Swedish overclocker with E8400 on the Foxconn Mars:

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=305556

http://bandwidth.se/imgs/nouser/spi9625523a781a.jpg

He did this on air cooling smile.gif
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as promising at it looks initially, well.. perhaps its just my board isn't that good, but i've hit the wall i think. Or perhaps the proc needs more burn in before further overclock can be done.

Yesterday night brian was with me in my hse playing with it, it was able to boot up at even 580fsb, but unstable, managed to run 1M superPI @ 560x8. The max stable clock im able to find now is only at 4.5Ghz at 1.45v, i didnt dare to pump up too much voltage because im not very confident with the temperatures with my current cooling and the problem with the temp sensor.

Then again, to think again, i usually categorize processors in 3 category.

1. Able to run high overclocks with low voltage but not very responsive with voltage increment thus make it a good choice for long run.
2. Very responsive to voltage increment and can go very far when overclocked, usually the record breaking type of procs.
3. Wont budge at all sweat.gif

I think mine would be the first type here laugh.gif

QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 1 2008, 06:30 PM)
Idle at stock voltage is around 40C+ and load can go up to 70C+
However when I touch the heatsink, it's not hot and I can leave my fingers there as long as I want. Other people reported temp reading problems on their boards too so we just have to wait for a BIOS fix or maybe Core Temp itself.
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yea... same case is occuring to me too, im idling at 52c and loads up at 57c. But when i touch the heatsink, its not even hot at all, as the matter in fact, its rather cold. Only the base of the heatsink is slightly warm.
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hmm and no screenshots.. interesting...
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Feb 1 2008, 09:59 PM)
as promising at it looks initially, well.. perhaps its just my board isn't that good, but i've hit the wall i think. Or perhaps the proc needs more burn in before further overclock can be done.

Yesterday night brian was with me in my hse playing with it, it was able to boot up at even 580fsb, but unstable, managed to run 1M superPI @ 560x8. The max stable clock im able to find now is only at 4.5Ghz at 1.45v, i didnt dare to pump up too much voltage because im not very confident with the temperatures with my current cooling and the problem with the temp sensor.

Then again, to think again, i usually categorize processors in 3 category.

1. Able to run high overclocks with low voltage but not very responsive with voltage increment thus make it a good choice for long run.
2. Very responsive to voltage increment and can go very far when overclocked, usually the record breaking type of procs.
3. Wont budge at all sweat.gif

I think mine would be the first type here laugh.gif
yea... same case is occuring to me too, im idling at 52c and loads up at 57c. But when i touch the heatsink, its not even hot at all, as the matter in fact, its rather cold. Only the base of the heatsink is slightly warm.
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@Aoi
for 4.0Ghz and 4.5Ghz setting stable...
I just wanna know what is ur vcore in bios setting?? vcore drop in windows (cpu-z reading)?? and vdroop when prime orthos???...can u provide me this info...i know that DS3 has high vdrop...

example...
4.0Ghz setting
in bios u set it 1.375v...
loading into windows n cpu-z will detect 1.32v
vdroop priming orthos will make it 1.29v
stable

so what ur voltage setting for vbios, vdrop n vdroop???

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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 2 2008, 04:57 AM)
@Aoi
for 4.0Ghz and 4.5Ghz setting stable...
I just wanna know what is ur vcore in bios setting?? vcore drop in windows (cpu-z reading)?? and vdroop when prime orthos???...can u provide me this info...i know that DS3 has high vdrop...

example...
4.0Ghz setting
in bios u set it 1.375v...
loading into windows n cpu-z will detect 1.32v
vdroop priming orthos will make it 1.29v
stable

so what ur voltage setting for vbios, vdrop n vdroop???
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yes exactly, Ds3 has a rather bad vdrop/droop.

For 4.0Ghz, it would take 1.3v in bios, reads 1.25-1.27 in windows, drops to 1.23 on load.

For 4.5, i'd need to set 1.51xx in bios, windows read 1.48 and drops to 1.45 on load.

temps taken from my G15 lcd via Everest.
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Feb 2 2008, 05:12 AM)
yes exactly, Ds3 has a rather bad vdrop/droop.

For 4.0Ghz, it would take 1.3v in bios, reads 1.25-1.27 in windows, drops to 1.23 on load.

For 4.5, i'd need to set 1.51xx in bios, windows read 1.48 and drops to 1.45 on load.

temps taken from my G15 lcd via Everest.
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so u r stable at 4.0Ghz at 1.3v...nice...
im done playing with my wolfdale...hate the temp bug...going to let it go...
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Feb 2 2008, 05:12 AM)
yes exactly, Ds3 has a rather bad vdrop/droop.

For 4.0Ghz, it would take 1.3v in bios, reads 1.25-1.27 in windows, drops to 1.23 on load.

For 4.5, i'd need to set 1.51xx in bios, windows read 1.48 and drops to 1.45 on load.

temps taken from my G15 lcd via Everest.
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Feb 2 2008, 05:12 AM)
yes exactly, Ds3 has a rather bad vdrop/droop.

For 4.0Ghz, it would take 1.3v in bios, reads 1.25-1.27 in windows, drops to 1.23 on load.

For 4.5, i'd need to set 1.51xx in bios, windows read 1.48 and drops to 1.45 on load.

temps taken from my G15 lcd via Everest.
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I have to agree. My P35-DS3 has even worse vdroop on quads

E6750 - 1.425v BIOS, 1.390v idle, 1.360v load
Q6600 - 1.400v BIOS, 1.360v idle, 1.312v load.... sweat.gif

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dude... this is no XS man, im not asking you to believe me nor do i gain anything from bragging. My results are nothing to brag over and its definately aint world record breaking as well, im just sharing my results since this is a discussion thread, question directed was very simply and i dont see any need to upload a screenie here. Since my first post on this thread the only thing ive ever heard outta ya was SC!! SC!! where is SC?!!!

well, if you insist, here u go.

Attached Image

now, do u want me to snap a pic from bios as well? perhaps you might wanna see what colours are my underwear today? oh wait.. im not wearing one now sweat.gif
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Feb 2 2008, 05:12 AM)
yes exactly, Ds3 has a rather bad vdrop/droop.

For 4.0Ghz, it would take 1.3v in bios, reads 1.25-1.27 in windows, drops to 1.23 on load.

For 4.5, i'd need to set 1.51xx in bios, windows read 1.48 and drops to 1.45 on load.

temps taken from my G15 lcd via Everest.
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vdroop and vdrop is good, for both the longevity of the cpu and mobo mosfets whistling.gif
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Feb 2 2008, 12:01 PM)
dude... this is no XS man, im not asking you to believe me nor do i gain anything from bragging. My results are nothing to brag over and its definately aint world record breaking as well, im just sharing my results since this is a discussion thread, question directed was very simply and i dont see any need to upload a screenie here. Since my first post on this thread the only thing ive ever heard outta ya was SC!! SC!! where is SC?!!!

well, if you insist, here u go.

now, do u want me to snap a pic from bios as well? perhaps you might wanna see what colours are my underwear today? oh wait.. im not wearing one now sweat.gif
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laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif ....hope cstkl1 satisfied with the screenies...dont post ur underwear pic...later on ppl got phobia accessing this forum bcoz of it shakehead.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif ...(totally out topic)

@Aoi..what is ur batch number??? Q746A??? what bios ur DS3 using...F12??

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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Feb 2 2008, 12:01 PM)
dude... this is no XS man, im not asking you to believe me nor do i gain anything from bragging. My results are nothing to brag over and its definately aint world record breaking as well, im just sharing my results since this is a discussion thread, question directed was very simply and i dont see any need to upload a screenie here. Since my first post on this thread the only thing ive ever heard outta ya was SC!! SC!! where is SC?!!!

well, if you insist, here u go.

Attached Image

now, do u want me to snap a pic from bios as well? perhaps you might wanna see what colours are my underwear today? oh wait.. im not wearing one now sweat.gif
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rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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anyway,when can we get normal edition quad core penryn ah?

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QUOTE(AceCombat @ Feb 2 2008, 10:34 PM)
rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
i know what u got brows.gif
anyway,when can we get normal edition quad core penryn ah?
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Btw, did you manage to get yourself a new chip after selling off your E6750? There are stocks available for E8200's in LYP.
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Yup, I bought a 2nd-hand Q6600 G0 stepping!!! rclxm9.gif

Now my folding effort is doubled! rclxms.gif

My E6750 is not sold yet. Already reserved though. Waiting for the deal to go through...... smile.gif

Edit : Anyway, I've added a penryn wolfdale in my overclocking guide too.... haiyoo... headache....

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well lets just keep the emotions and egos out of this place guys. Not trying to be good and all, but lets just stick to the point of discussion. I am not going to point fingers at anyone, since everyone here has a better rig than me jk jk, i mean all of you have rights of your own for expressing rite? lets just keep it at that.

@clawy
bro, u of all ppl, u should have the experience to handle this situation, not spark more. I am sure you can do better bro. youre a great guy, so i believe u can sort things out here

@cstkl1
well, what should i say, i dont know u well enough to say much, but i can tell that you have a lot of passion and the resources to test all the hardwares i only dream of getting. I guess sometimes, bro(if i can you that), its nice to listen and give an opportunity for someone to speak up, and try to help. I do hold high regards for you, becaus i believe that u do have a lot of substance in your words. But dont let it backfire on you. It would be a big loss.
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Based on my experience, such people should've been warned and suspended. There's nothing much to sort when someone deliberately launch personal attacks on others and not to mention using vulgarity.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 2 2008, 10:56 PM)
Based on my experience, such people should've been warned and suspended. There's nothing much to sort when someone deliberately launch personal attacks on others and not to mention using vulgarity.
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many things said.. in the end clawhammer ,,,, talking about the wind affect.. hmm he really must have whispered to his proc to make the
unknown world record 4ghz less than 11sec proc gone with the wind..

Based on my experience such ppl should be shot.

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i think that we should give him a chance bro. just have to understand him better.
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oh yeah mr ace..

found out some interesting stunts with maximus..

ah.. geee pity the asus maximus... so many ppl misunderstand and ill treated such a lovely mobo..
we have STUPID asus engineers to blame..

y?? cause they did not mention what the 4 settings meant.

Dram Static Control Read
Ai Clock Twister
Transaction Boost.
FSB termination Voltage.

Example 400fsb
Ok as u know the from reading anandtech that strap 400 default tRD is 10-12

gaygaybyte mobo on auto is 12
asus maximus is 9.66 (estimated)!!!!!... thats y so difficult
the ai clock twister is in between... strong will make it around (9.33 estimate)

on auto we get Transaction Boost Disable = Relax 0/Ai Clock Twister Moderate =trd 9.66 ( estimate)

Transaction Boost = Disable - Relax 0 /Ai Cock Twister Light/Dram Static Control Read Disable = TRD 10..

so when we set all of them auto we are running somewhere above 9, in between strong and 10.

This is y..
High bus difficult (use the anandtech calculation of Trd as example ) on auto..

after 11 hours of clocking.. this is my result.. and all i know is DRAM Static Control Gives another 100mb/s on everest... so i guess its another TRD boost thingy

advice..
Leave it at TRD 12 Strap 400.. and go from there..
Ok as u know PLL voltages is the voltage for the PLL chip that controls the bus of the proc.
NB is like command central that handles the everything to do with bandwidth... bus,FSB and mem.
FSB termination is the terminal value..



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source -> line -> component -> short line -> termination

the "lines" in this case are signal traces. works a lot like a SCSI bus. high speed switching operations can cause reflections on the line (in essence, this is resonant noise caused from high-speed switching on the lines as the memory controller gates on and off to place data on the bus, nothing more than rising and falling voltages). clearly enough, the faster the signal switches (higher frequency memory) the more noise.

termination resistors, used in passive termination environments, are exactly matched to the target frequency for operation based largely on trace length, ESR (equivalent series resistance) and the over capactive/inductive nature of the circuit, as well as some other things well out of the scope of this post. problem is that this is often matched for a specific frequency...which as we know is not so cool for overclockers. enter the active termination system. this actually uses a voltage bias to set final line resistance value so that the user can tune for better operation when overclocking.

this method of tuning is largely trial and error as you have no way of know the specification of the circuit or have any idea of the calculations need to find the "perfect" value. so anway, the answer is, strangely enough, whatever works best. smile.gif

hope this helps. :toast:

FCG ( freecable guy from XS


Hence.. u need to get a specific value for termination.
not over or lower..
too high BSOD..
too low instability.

Also for flatfinger..
ure trd is definately high..
as anandtech stated.. which i verified.. at 450 trd 7 CL4.. u need 1.6v..so gaygaybyte mobo owners..
ure settings is the turbo ram settings..
try 1000mhz CL4 TRD 7/8


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if only i could try the settings.. laugh.gif but at the moment i am working on the ram u suggested the cl2 ddr2 800's.. see whther it can improve my 1M timings.. its a sad thing though, my board doesnt have a lot of features... but will work with it though.
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mine are not d9gmh, i wish it was.. its just value(brainpower pcb, with promos, i think) ram maybe.. but it can do some decent clocks for value rams.
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QUOTE(a1098113 @ Feb 3 2008, 12:23 AM)
mine are not d9gmh, i wish it was.. its just value(brainpower pcb, with promos, i think) ram maybe.. but it can do some decent clocks for value rams.
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hmm that means whatever i said cant apply
i do admit never had a low end proc..
lowest was e6600 ..

actually a bit confused.. i had to forget every chareristic of a C2d 65nm.. as it DOES not apply at all on 45nm..
wasted time trying to conform..

maybe tommorow if the e8500 tak jadi.. then i will get one in lyn for fun..
whats the highest clock in lyn ah??

new posting ready in 30 minutes... interesting stuff..

pity flatfinger selling off his proc..

for those that remembered the earlier settings.. the template and posting.. new one chun wei..
theory put in practise.

also want to say something..

posting is sharing..
talking about ure clocks and saying trust me is same like going to puchong food court and buying dvd
and trusting that guy when he say DVD9 good one.. ( he's been selling for a long time)
and thats contributing..
worst still when u defend heavily without any post and claimed the impossible..and makes an excuse by saying flamer etc....heck can call me the devil for i care..

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not sure what the highest clock is, well i am sure there are ways to play with settings for my value rams. just have to research and find out more. well, e2140 is a nice low end proc. u should try it sometime. smile.gif
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QUOTE(a1098113 @ Feb 3 2008, 01:08 AM)
not sure what the highest clock is, well i am sure there are ways to play with settings for my value rams. just have to research and find out more. well, e2140 is a nice low end proc. u should try it sometime. smile.gif
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hmm the problem with value rams is the bin.... its hard to overcome it..

800 CL3's were binned by handpicked raw rams at CL3.
same as y some D9GKX are binned at CL5 1150/1200 but clock poorly on CL4 on lower clocks..
careful ppl i have been deemed having baseless statements..

malaysia is next to singapore.. baseless from me..
so baseless means if u dont know.. hence baseless??

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my brains too slow to process that at this time of the day. laugh.gif so looks like i need damn nice rams, but not expensive aye. Coz technology keeps changing, and depreciation is rapid.
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QUOTE(a1098113 @ Feb 3 2008, 01:19 AM)
my brains too slow to process that at this time of the day. laugh.gif so looks like i need damn nice rams, but not expensive aye. Coz technology keeps changing, and depreciation is rapid.
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well thats true..
heck there is a classic example here in the thread.. depreciation is rapid.

no dude.. hmm price ratio would be getting 667's binned at CL3 or 800 binned at CL4 preferably D9GMH..

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so should i wait or get some rams now? by the way, how is the overall performance of the penryn, yorksfield from your perspective>
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so should i wait or get some rams now? by the way, how is the overall performance of the penryn, yorksfield from your perspective>
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hmm get some good proc coolers..the best
then rams..
then worry about what proc and mobo..

yorksfield i only had it for a few days..
and wished i can retest it again.
cause looking at what anandtech post..

can overcompensate the 400bus with 1000mhz CL4 with low trd's

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 2 2008, 11:46 PM)
Also for flatfinger..
ure trd is definately high..
as anandtech stated.. which i verified.. at 450 trd 7 CL4.. u need 1.6v..so gaygaybyte mobo owners..
ure settings is the turbo ram settings..
try 1000mhz CL4 TRD 7/8
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 3 2008, 12:59 AM)
pity flatfinger selling off his proc..
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hell yeah need 1.6v...that's the max my mobo can be set...i think my Biostar board holding me back to unleashed this babe...

im running 1000Mhz CL5 (vdimm under 2.2v)..my TRD is 8 if im not mistaken...

heheh dont pity me...i trying to find the sweet stable clock for this babe...Biostar doesnt hav detail setting in bios like Asus or Giga board...only simple tweaking very simple actually...
the other things is Asus and Giga had vdrop when load in window...but vise-versa for Biostar...it has v overload....not vdrop...

well im still playing around with this two pair... whistling.gif

so ur 4.1Ghz stable is using how much voltage???


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hell yeah need 1.6v...that's the max my mobo can be set...i think my Biostar board holding me back to unleashed this babe...

im running 1000Mhz CL5 (vdimm under 2.2v)..my TRD is 8 if im not mistaken...

heheh dont pity me...i trying to find the sweet stable clock for this babe...Biostar doesnt hav detail setting in bios like Asus or Giga board...only simple tweaking very simple actually...
the other things is Asus and Giga had vdrop when load in window...but vise-versa for Biostar...it has v overload....not vdrop...

well im still playing around with this two pair...  whistling.gif

so ur 4.1Ghz stable is using how much voltage???
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have tried yet agin..
cause no 4.0 is 1.28v.
gaygaybyte is still plug and play on loose timings..

their x48 is still slow and the worst.. heck even slower then most x38's

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ok this is my new stable clock....4.2Ghz@1.42v stable orthos for 1 hour + priority 9...dont have time to prime 6-8 hours....

vbios=1.45v
vdrop/load= 1.46v
vdroop=1.42v
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guys
i know this is off topic but i wanted to know yeah, where do i get memset, most websites have the link but i cant download it. Also what are the timings should i put, since my motherboard as stated in the sig, doesnt have trd rating.
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guys
i know this is off topic but i wanted to know yeah, where do i get memset, most websites have the link but i cant download it. Also what are the timings should i put, since my motherboard as stated in the sig, doesnt have trd rating.
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 3 2008, 03:27 PM)
ok this is my new stable clock....4.2Ghz@1.42v stable orthos for 1 hour + priority 9...dont have time to prime 6-8 hours....

vbios=1.45v
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That's a good one there biggrin.gif 24 x 7 @ 4.2Ghz
Well done!
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 3 2008, 04:46 PM)
That's a good one there biggrin.gif 24 x 7 @ 4.2Ghz
Well done!
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thx bro...going to try tighten the ram timing later..dont have much time to do...
another info....im using a thermal sensor with my aerocool gate watch panel..place at the side top plate of the E8400 ....idle is 32' load is 44' on wc...this is the most accurate temp reading i could hav...

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thanks bro's. now i can play with some tight timings.
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 3 2008, 04:48 PM)
thx bro...going to try tighten the ram timing later..dont have much time to do...
another info....im using a thermal sensor with my aerocool gate watch panel..place at the side top plate of the E8400 ....idle is 32' load is 44' on wc...this is the most accurate temp reading i could hav...
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I guess those temps makes a lot of sense. External temp sensor does the job for now until someone fixes it for Windows.
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 3 2008, 03:27 PM)
ok this is my new stable clock....4.2Ghz@1.42v stable orthos for 1 hour + priority 9...dont have time to prime 6-8 hours....

vbios=1.45v
vdrop/load= 1.46v
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bro, your proc can do 500fsb prime stable?
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I did 8 x 500 on my MARS + E8400 earlier and it was alright.
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QUOTE(gsan @ Feb 3 2008, 06:24 PM)
bro, your proc can do 500fsb prime stable?
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ok minor update....tighten the timing

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i wish i could do 500*8 but it seems rather impossible.
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QUOTE(a1098113 @ Feb 3 2008, 05:36 PM)
@flat and Coolio
thanks bro's. now i can play with some tight timings.
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write to read delay.. max 3 dont go lower than that
trd ...
act to act delay max 3
read to precharge delay again 3..

advice go on 4 on all these trd..
and lower ure trd's..

then tighten..

hope u have a lot of voltage for ure NB.

oh yeah u need to play around with the GTL.. in a few cases where it was almost a stable voltage..
just need to shift the phase ..



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i tried playing around with it but hmm this rams do have big limitations. I will try again playing around this settings, but i believe at the end of the day, the quality of the rams do count.

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QUOTE(a1098113 @ Feb 3 2008, 11:37 PM)
i tried playing around with it but hmm this rams do have big limitations. I will try again playing around this settings, but i believe at the end of the day, the quality of the rams do count.
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tighten the trd based on the speed ure rams were rated at preferably 1:1

learn from there..

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trd stays only at 7 i cant go any lower, it was initially at 8. When i go lower, it reboots. Has it to do with voltage since i cant set it in memset. I initially did 1:1 and at 4-4-4-10. for the basic subtimings and tried adjusting it tighter, tomorrow i will play more with it. It does improve the bandwidth, especially read. I use everest benchie to check the change.
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 3 2008, 06:25 PM)
maybe need more voltage...
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QUOTE(gsan @ Feb 4 2008, 09:06 AM)
what about if lower mulitplier, eg. 8x
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yup can do...8x500 easily..9x500 also can do..but my vmch on this mobo not high enough to stable it...

4.5Ghz validation

ok guy can't do any oc anymore..my ballistix suddenly dead...i never push it over 2.2v...last nite it wont boot anymore...tested on other pc...same... cry.gif hav to send RMA...later on will test the mobo if it got problem or not...my sales is on hold...

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current issue with E8400..

the FSB termination voltage
When i go lower than Vcore there is a input/ouput thingy that reduces any overshots by the proc according to intel spec.
hence lower vcore was easy..

problem..
NB .. needs higher FSB termination voltage.... and with the proc having so low vcore.. errr..


hmmm.
500fsb 1:1 mem .. still not stable..

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 4 2008, 04:19 PM)
Btw, anyone has E8200 here? Please post some results smile.gif
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yeah...if got E8500 also...pls post ur result... notworthy.gif

ok confirm my mobo also gone..i think the mobo make my ballistix dead... sweat.gif ...guess i dont have pc temporary sweat.gifsweat.gif ..sending RMA...

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Good but no time to push it.3.2(400x8) can do 14.3's spi.

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Some results of E8400 on Gigabyte P35 DS3 F12.


Vcore bios : 1.425v
Vcore load : 1.344v
Vmch : +0.1v
Vfsb : stock
Vpci-e : stock
Vdimm : 2.0V

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 5 2008, 02:22 AM)
Some results of E8400 on Gigabyte P35 DS3 F12.
Vcore bios : 1.425v
Vcore load : 1.344v
Vmch : +0.1v
Vfsb : stock
Vpci-e : stock
Vdimm : 2.0V
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nice result...4.1Ghz@1.35v....try to push it more drool.gif
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 5 2008, 02:22 AM)
Some results of E8400 on Gigabyte P35 DS3 F12.
Vcore bios : 1.425v
Vcore load : 1.344v
Vmch : +0.1v
Vfsb : stock
Vpci-e : stock
Vdimm : 2.0V
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Hey, you've got a new baby for folding ka? thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 5 2008, 08:58 AM)
nice result...4.1Ghz@1.35v....try to push it more drool.gif
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Will do so, now assraep-ing the proc with folding to check stability..

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Hey, you've got a new baby for folding ka?  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 5 2008, 12:52 PM)
Will do so, now assraep-ing the proc with folding to check stability.. 
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since u r on wc, why not push more higher? but why core temp so high even on wc? is that reading correct? hmm.gif
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The reading is wrong, its not hot at all fyi.

Btw i did notice about the small fft test at orthos. It should be Min fft - 8k and Max fft 64k, not 8k for both. smile.gif

The setting might go berserk after a while, weird but i noticed the changes of the values while orthos.
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a few ppl been asking me whats the difference with OCCT and Orthos
basically this is OCCT

run Orthos priority 7/8 with memtest windows 256mb on 25 minutes..
1st minute for temp monitor.. last 4 minutes for cool down..

pass this and u pass OCCT 30 minutes guaranteed

better to do this way as u will know whether ure it was ure mem or proc that failed u.

example of brute force overclocking aka plug and play.

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based on the above u will also know if u can pass OCCT 1 hour.. samething but on 55 minutes.

best way to test if ure like surfing and stressing
if not heck do memtest 1024 would do.

* note.. theres 3 versions of OCCT... some uses 256mb and some uses 512mb..
personally feel 256mb on long periods reserved to a program for stressing is enough..
and dont advice to run d9's too long..

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@cstkl
I believe that OCCT does a lot of stressing aye. priority 7 is qiuite high i mean for me, and to run memtest at 256MB, i do the 512Mb test * 2 for 3 hours normally, for stability.

Good guide there cstkl1.
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I believe that OCCT does a lot of stressing aye. priority 7 is qiuite high i mean for me, and to run memtest at 256MB, i do the 512Mb test * 2 for 3 hours normally, for stability.

Good guide there cstkl1.
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higher priority

its just means it uses most of the unused cycles thats all..
most of the time no program runs on priority 7/8 other than ure OS.
but which OS stresses the core that much .. highest was vista.. around 75-80 percent.

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 7 2008, 05:11 PM)
higher priority

its just means it uses most of the unused cycles thats all..
most of the time no program runs on priority 7/8 other than ure OS.
but which OS stresses the core that much .. highest was vista.. around 75-80 percent.
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 7 2008, 06:00 PM)
Aik!!! hmm.gif  last time u said pity to me selling my E8400...y u selling it too??? unsure.gif
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cause getting a e8500... well thats the aim.?? and a e2140( curious actually on this proc)

ures i said pity cause true potential unknown..

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 7 2008, 06:02 PM)
cause getting a e8500... well thats the aim.?? and a e2140( curious actually on this proc)

ures i said pity cause true potential unknown..
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my E8400 same batch as urs....already buy ka E8500???
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dont bother about the e2140s now bro, most ppl are having problems posting after 410, 420Mhz. I dont know why, even with M0 stepping. I know one user who got 4.3Ghz on an e2140 with LN2, thats crazy.
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my E8400 same batch as urs....already buy ka E8500???
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uik.. yet ure hitting so high vcore..

have u taken a volt meter and check whats the actual voltage

i know mine on vcore is

0.1375v less 85 percent accuracy with loadline on
and 0.1326 less with loadline off.

mem is 0.0025v more 85 percent accuracy.

PLL and Northbridge.. negligible.. changes +- 0.020v.

whats ure voltage on the 5v rail.

on the list..
if it hits this 2 shops that i normally buy.. i will be notified asap.

i was hoping for a extreme core 2 duo version.. kekek.. so heck with the fsb..
just keep raisin multi although . higher multi the scaling gets worse..
wonder is it the same with 45nm..

second reason is the C1 batch is coming out soon. but one thing..
i cannot on my freezone elite on max on this puppy unless i am on 1.5v..
freaking condensation... that day i thought i board had died!!!... all water on the proc heatsink and the freezone tec blocks...

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Guys WTA i'm currently overclocking my E6300 to 2.67 GHZ....Any Higher ORTHOS/Prime will Hang in 1 hour

Issit my Ram problem ? Because I'm using 2x Corsair 667 Value RAM DDR 2 at 381x7 FSB

Can I OC more if I increase the RAM voltage by 0.2v will This Burn my RAM ? (have the Dominater Cooler on my RAM w/o Heatsink)

What is the default voltage of this Value RAM ?

using A Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3.

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QUOTE(king99 @ Feb 7 2008, 08:11 PM)
Guys WTA i'm currently overclocking my E6300 to 2.67 GHZ....Any Higher ORTHOS/Prime will Hang in 1 hour

Issit my Ram problem ? Because I'm using 2x Corsair 667 Value RAM DDR 2 at 381x7 FSB

Can I OC more if I increase the RAM voltage by 0.2v will This Burn my RAM ? (have the Dominater Cooler on my RAM w/o Heatsink)

What is the default voltage of this Value RAM ?

using A Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3.
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try running orthos + memtest 512mb/256mb. for that one hour..

u will know whether its ure mem..

if its hang.. usually pll
if its machine check error usually NB voltage..

if memtest error usually vdimm not enough or ure ram is fault to begin with.

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The voltage i can be lowered down, later i'll post the lower V sc.

Proc : E8400
Mobo : Giga P35 DS3 v1.1 F12

Vcore bios : 1.5v
Vcore idle : 1.45v
Vcore load : 1.4v
Vmch : +0.2v
Vfsb : +0.1v
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nice clocks at 4.2Ghz, maybe i should try the wolfsdale too. I wonder why wolfsdale is in penryn thread. Is wolfsdale under the penryn family? noob here.

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QUOTE(king99 @ Feb 7 2008, 08:11 PM)
Guys WTA i'm currently overclocking my E6300 to 2.67 GHZ....Any Higher ORTHOS/Prime will Hang in 1 hour

Issit my Ram problem ? Because I'm using 2x Corsair 667 Value RAM DDR 2 at 381x7 FSB

Can I OC more if I increase the RAM voltage by 0.2v will This Burn my RAM ? (have the Dominater Cooler on my RAM w/o Heatsink)

What is the default voltage of this Value RAM ?

using A Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3.
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nice clocks at 4.2Ghz, maybe i should try the wolfsdale too. I wonder why wolfsdale is in penryn thread. Is wolfsdale under the penryn family?
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Wolfdale and Yorkfield is under Penryn family. smile.gif

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thanks bro.. so the penryn core is the 45nm family la. and the wolfsdale and the yorkfield is the children la. thanks for the info and confirming my thoughts.
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Yup, Penryn is the 45nm family. Wolfdale and Yorkfield is not the Penryn's children but Penryn is more like a codename for the 45nm procs. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 7 2008, 06:14 PM)
my E8400 same batch as urs....already buy ka E8500???
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true potential.. now messing with the rams timings.. trd 8.. thats tight.. very tight..
all u need was to mess with the GTL and fsb termination..
just ran this to show u..
dont give up on that proc batch..
remember voltage reading on different boards cannot be compared..
each boards true value of their vcore is different..
but this batch is good..
another friend also has this batch .. running on a x38 P5E.. about the same as mine now..
it scales very well.


E8400 Q746A332... heck got ppl reach 4800ghz on air in japan etc with the same batch and vid..

also another thing vid is taken from the ACPI table reading on the bios.. each board is different.. vid is based on ure box max vcore recommended.. usually theres a 0.1v min on core temp. error..
different board different readings.. some even change base on overclocks the vid goes lower..
best way to see the vid is the box actual voltage itself.. hence y super chips with low vid sometimes are different on different boards.. cause the voltages vcore was not true..
thats y a lot of extreme overclockers usually look at high fsb proc that scales well. that usually is the same for any board..

so dont give up on the board or proc.. .. theres a way if u really want it..
overclockers are meant to use cheaper boards... true ones anyway..

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How much vcore you pumped into the proc ? 1.264v ? vmch 1.6v ?
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How much vcore you pumped into the proc ? 1.264v ? vmch 1.6v ?
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depends on trd
give i go lax like trd 10.. less mch..

this one is 1.57.. it overvolts..
for trd 10 at CL5 its okay at 1.5v...


actually posted above not to show proc stability.. i tested that already up to a few hours..

now getting the rams stable at highest trd ( means lowest no).. is the priority
then will go for 8.5 multi and 9..

damn pissed that this board cannot do trd 7 on 500fsb..
theres a new bios coming.. also cannot use strap 400 and now using strap 333 which is y the bandwidth is so high
and the trd is at 8...

Asus Engineers Testers already said new bios is on the way to correct some things.. one of them is the refresh cycle time



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er i dont quite get you.

vcore ?
vmch ?
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 7 2008, 09:48 PM)
er i dont quite get you.

vcore ?
vmch ?
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dude its on the screenies..the vcore and vcmh aka northbridge

asus has a few settings for trd 8
this is the second lowest

theres two more stronger... for rams.. much faster

example.. here is on the stop sp1m.. beat my previous.. and it can go lower..
all this on a non tweaked OS.

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the vcore u see is on idle on the.. cause i disabled the loadline calibration.. on load it will go down 1.264.
will settle the loadline calibration once i determine what vcore..

read edgeofstability.com good read on mch/gtl...



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Owh, meaning..

vcore - 1.264v
vmch - 1.57v

vmch is quite high and low vcore.. hmm.gif

i wonder the nb can take that much vcore for 24/7 setup... hmm.gif
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honestly u dont need to pump your Vmch so much laugh.gif just add about 0.1V at most should do the job. The Vcore plays a bigger role.
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ya, that's what i was thinking about. too much volts pumped to the nb.. sweat.gif


Btw guys, how much is the max vcore for the 45nm proc can take ?
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 7 2008, 10:20 PM)
ya, that's what i was thinking about. too much volts pumped to the nb.. sweat.gif
Btw guys, how much is the max vcore for the 45nm proc can take ?
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safely i think 1.4 or lower depending on cooling..
not because of heat cause

most e8400 running at 1.119v on stock..
try imagine 1.4/1.119v = 25 percent.. thats like on 65nm e6850 1.3v*1.25= 1.62v...

well until somebody burns their mobo or proc.. we have no idea.. but the theory is this..

the mch on nb depends..
as i said i am running the second lowest . the next two i need big BIG jumps.. on nb voltages..


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u dont have to pump Vmch until the system prompts you to pump. There are always tell-tale signs when u know as a user that u need to up your Vmch. Cstkl1 has a point.
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i need +0.2v on the mch to get it stable at 4.2ghz.

i will try lower vmch and vcore on the e8400 coz i think 1.4v and above is too much for it. hmm.gif

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if u do need that much Vmch make sure u have your NB on heatpipe cooling or use a good fan to blow strong air on it. But honestly on P35 that seems alot. Have u figured whether its any other variables that might be affecting your Ocing?
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ive slapped a evercool vc-re hsf there. about the high vmch, a few of the wolfdale user need high vmch to get it running higher and i wonder why also.
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 7 2008, 11:13 PM)
ive slapped a evercool vc-re hsf there. about the high vmch, a few of the wolfdale user need high vmch to get it running higher and i wonder why also.
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its the mem settings the skew..reduce the skew.. get the GTL's right.. and u will have it..u can see my vdimm and that will give u a clue.. i am reducing the strength ...
to a moderate.. technically full strength 1000mhz 1:1 should be closer to 2.3vdimm

ures is more like forcing if by pure vcore powah...

flafinger u sure u want to sell off this batch??

this already pass OCCT... but i usually try one hour..

FPO Q746A332 scales very well

oh yeah uzairi dont try to copy asus x38

their NB stock vcore is 1.2v and that can do 400 fsb since asus X38 supports 1600fsb 45nm native.

but generally i think all mobo's should be around the same..

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Bro, one thing i notice is that the small fft setting go hoo haa coz u can only see it at 8k max.

Try custom, Min 8k Max 64k and time to run each fft 1min. That way giving more stress to the proc and faster for 1 round. If Min 8k and Max 8k easy to pass.

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 7 2008, 11:32 PM)
Bro, one thing i notice is that the small fft setting go hoo haa coz u can only see it at 8k max.

Try custom, Min 8k Max 8k and time to run each fft 1min. That way giving more stress to the proc and faster for 1 round. If Min 8k and Max 8k easy to pass.
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okay will do it but do u know the reason y they made the fft run around 8-10 minutes.. because of the priority cycle..
u need to off all the programs..
its like shooting a gattling gun every 8 mins..
what ure asking is not stress dude.. what ure doing is every 1 min off and on the load and restart...

small fft is to just to test ure L1/L2 cache interaction with ure core.. hence y prime states run 8k min to max 4096 on 15 mins interval..
so wolfdale would be 8k to 6132 max.


what ure saying is every 1 min example on real life on and off a program that stresses ure core... not real world test..
my 2cents.


here is 1 hour pass.

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 7 2008, 06:59 PM)
uik..  yet ure hitting so high vcore..

have u taken a volt meter and check whats the actual voltage

i know mine on vcore is

0.1375v less 85 percent accuracy with loadline on
and 0.1326 less with loadline off.

mem is 0.0025v more 85 percent accuracy.

PLL and Northbridge.. negligible.. changes +- 0.020v.

whats ure voltage on the 5v rail.

on the list..
if it hits this 2 shops that i normally buy.. i will be notified asap.

i was hoping for a extreme core 2 duo version.. kekek.. so heck with the fsb..
just keep raisin multi although . higher multi the scaling gets worse..
wonder is it the same with 45nm..

second reason is the C1 batch is coming out soon. but one thing..
i cannot on my freezone elite on max on this puppy unless i am on 1.5v..
freaking condensation... that day i thought i board had died!!!... all water on the proc heatsink and the freezone tec blocks...
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becoz im using different mobo....the motherboard play major rules in voltage...
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 8 2008, 12:15 AM)
becoz im using different mobo....the motherboard play major rules in voltage...
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so far i know mine scales up to 4.4ghz well
after that its a bit way off...

i think its ure mobo bios prob the way its controlling ure gtl's.

cause if i let this mobo control the gtl/fsb termination/NB.. will be force clocking it.. example was the earlier 1.296v..
i was forcing it to get my mems stable..based on some 65nm overclocking principles and habits..

so went back old school.. took days but now its just awesome..
testing now on 2nd strongest mem setting... bandwidth just jumped a big notch..


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flatfinger how about about bios change.. maybe certain revisions help?
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 7 2008, 11:32 PM)
Bro, one thing i notice is that the small fft setting go hoo haa coz u can only see it at 8k max.

Try custom, Min 8k Max 64k and time to run each fft 1min. That way giving more stress to the proc and faster for 1 round. If Min 8k and Max 8k easy to pass.
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 7 2008, 11:55 PM)
okay will do it but do u know the reason y they made the fft run around 8-10 minutes.. because of the priority cycle..
u need to off all the programs..
its like shooting a gattling gun every 8 mins..
what ure asking is not stress dude.. what ure doing is every 1 min off and on the load and restart...

small fft is to just to test ure L1/L2 cache interaction with ure core.. hence y prime states run 8k min to max 4096 on 15 mins interval..
so wolfdale would be 8k to 6132 max.
what ure saying is every 1 min example on real life  on and off a program that stresses ure core... not real world test..
my 2cents.
here is 1 hour pass.

memory stable as hell.. proc also..
perfect.
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What i meant for the 1 min per cycle is to make it faster per cycle bro. Read again. It gets the error faster so you no need to wait for quite something.

About stressing it more is the 64k, sorry for the typo.
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 12:59 AM)
What i meant for the 1 min per cycle is to make it faster per cycle bro. Read again. It gets the error faster so you no need to wait for quite something.

About stressing it more is the 64k, sorry for the typo.
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ah i see
but hmm isnt 1 min cycle afaik similar to restarting ure stress every 1 min ....
it does not stress the core more just completing the cycle faster..
i suppose it shows the error faster.. but real world.. no meaning.. get what i mean??.. ure running a stimulated test that has no meaning and will not happen..


there must be a reason for this..
cause as i said the prime95 stable test setting is custom smallfft 8k-4096k 15 minutes..


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Yes i get what u mean. This is what i do, find the error first. If no error proceed with longer time eg. 15 minutes. smile.gif
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 01:15 AM)
Yes i get what u mean. This is what i do, find the error first. If no error proceed with longer time eg. 15 minutes. smile.gif
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well i am running what u ask btw..

just learning to see is there a significance on this error to determine some poor setting..
so far i can see one..

it will stess the core to the lowest vcore..
so ppl wil droop and fluctuate at the end.. might fail..
cause this test will make it go the the lowest.. since its changing every 1 minute

good test uzairi to see any amkong case..
but with ppl who have load line in their bios setting this test is useless..


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Yeah, its a good test imho. A plus to check the system's stability. For those who have load line it doesnt harm to test it i suppose. lol
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@uz and cstkl1
what exactly are you guys talking about? hmm, a bit confused here. Are you guys talking about ways to test the system?
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QUOTE(a1098113 @ Feb 8 2008, 12:44 AM)
flatfinger how about about bios change.. maybe certain revisions help?
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tested all the same...well now the mobo is on RMA..so cant do nothing...
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 01:15 AM)
Yes i get what u mean. This is what i do, find the error first. If no error proceed with longer time eg. 15 minutes. smile.gif
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wait retesting ure method again

it seems it clashes with rams.. on 64k..wondering y..

need to read intel proc spec.. on memory mapping.

clash..

hmm the NB voltage..

weird ure test.. on strap 333 1000mhz CL4 okay.... even though it fails memtest.
on strap 400 1000mhz CL4 not okay.. even though all test says its okay

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The 64k mx fft was the original settings of the orthos for the small fft test, not my method. Just that the settings gone berserk after a while if u stress it then stop for quite some time.

The only thing that i tested was the 1 min per round, since it could detect the error faster saving more time to test it.
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 03:29 PM)
The 64k mx fft was the original settings of the orthos for the small fft test, not my method. Just that the settings gone berserk after a while if u stress it then stop for quite some time.

The only thing that i tested was the 1 min per round, since it could detect the error faster saving more time to test it.
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64k.. it loads the 1024mb of the mem..

32k is correct.. since l2 cache is 32k...

64 k is incomplete..
if u want to test system.. blend is better..

i wonder the extra 32k which part of the mem it takes .. the higher mem?? or lower..
hmm dunno about u but i get worried when i see half of my rams especially D9's being stressed like that..

hmm dude i tested it 3 times on different settings
confirmed.. ure way is just stressing the ram also.. no wonder it was disapproved.. as the test for small fft is for proc..

if u want to stress the proc further make the max fft 32k. for e8400.


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Actually it was the default settings for the orthos small fft bro. I know about the 32k for max fft bcoz of the L2 cache. But i am wondering why it is there for default settings ? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 04:22 PM)
Actually it was the default settings for the orthos small fft bro. I know about the 32k for max fft bcoz of the L2 cache. But i am wondering why it is there for default settings ? hmm.gif
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errr flaw??

cause think about it
if its going to take 1gig of ram..
y not just increase the max fft to 4096..

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Im not sure myself but if it stresses it more why not ?
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 04:42 PM)
Im not sure myself but if it stresses it more why not ?
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hmmm 4C less on core
2C more on NB compared than small fft 8k. i think it just stresses the NB and RAMs..

its not proc only...

hmm fast way to kill ure rams.. on 1min..


Added on February 8, 2008, 4:52 pmbut good stuff.. found out need 0.02v more on my NB

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So what do you think ? 64k max fft yay nay ?
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 05:04 PM)
So what do you think ? 64k max fft yay nay ?
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nay..
cause ure purpose is to stress ure proc.. first not ure rams.. or NB..

so 32k max or just leave it at 8k..

my two cents on the topic..

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so if that's the case, i will opt for 32k instead of 8k. Bcoz i noticed that with 8k i can pass it easily. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 05:47 PM)
so if that's the case, i will opt for 32k instead of 8k. Bcoz i noticed that with 8k i can pass it easily. hmm.gif
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err i dunno how much stress u want
err y not go or TAT..

if u pass that.. GOD will come down and bless u..kekeke although i dont think it supports penryn.

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Tried TAT but i got error processor not supported. LOL
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oh yeah TAT doesnt support my e2140 as well. Point to note..
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I think my psu limits my oc for now as the voltages pumped are quite high eventho load volts are low and my gc is killing the psu too. If time permits i will retry to oc this baby with a new psu. *hopefully*

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hey uzairi get the new psu la laugh.gif pcp&c got selling now brows.gif if i didnt own current psu i oredi grab it cry.gif

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 9 2008, 04:10 AM)
I think my psu limits my oc for now as the voltages pumped are quite high eventho load volts are low and my gc is killing the psu too. If time permits i will retry to oc this baby with a new psu. *hopefully*
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check ure 5v rail.


Added on February 9, 2008, 1:11 pmkeke i find it weird

unknown proc with no screenshot that broke the world record for 4ghz sp1m sold off to unknown person.. easily

my proc with better overclocking result hasnt..
weird..

lowyat admin should allow to have some music .. would play x-files..
unsolved mystery unless..err

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QUOTE(mfcm @ Feb 9 2008, 07:27 AM)
hey uzairi get the new psu la laugh.gif pcp&c got selling now brows.gif if i didnt own  current psu i oredi grab it cry.gif
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sweat.gif No money la bro...

QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 9 2008, 11:42 AM)
check ure 5v rail.


Added on February 9, 2008, 1:11 pmkeke i find it weird

unknown proc with no screenshot that broke the world record for 4ghz sp1m sold off to unknown person.. easily

my proc with better overclocking result hasnt..
weird..

lowyat admin should allow to have some music .. would play x-files..
unsolved mystery unless..err
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Im sure its the psu holding back my oc potential.

who's proc ?
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Bro cstkl1, now im using back my old proc E6300. To my surprise the default setting for small fft is min 8k max 64k back normal as usual. I suspect 32kb L1 cache x2... what do you think ?
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 10 2008, 02:53 PM)
Bro cstkl1, now im using back my old proc E6300. To my surprise the default setting for small fft is min 8k max 64k back normal as usual. I suspect 32kb L1 cache x2... what do you think ?
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same here

weird

plugged in a e6600 and i got back min 8k max 64 k also..

hmm dont trust orthos much nowadays
prefer prime but thats 15 minutes min 8k max 64

something is awefully flawed here..
cause i was testing with two versions of orthos.. have u noticed that with e8400 u always get core 0 failure while core 1 happily chugs along

usually my e6600 and e6850 either both fails.. or either one.. but never always the same core.


Added on February 12, 2008, 4:36 pmdude i found out something and its weird
if u get the older orthos version which u can choose each core..
and run on each no probs when u stress each core by itself

but when u run the 64k test on both.. problem..

hmm tested with a E6600 no issue..
but on e8400 there is..
interesting..


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Yeah, interesting findings eh ? But i dont have the E8400 anymore so cant do any testings as for now.

I suppose the older sp2004 is better, just that we need to run 2x of it. 4x if you're using quad core procs, lol a bit troublesome if u ask me. tongue.gif
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hi alll , just bought E8400 this afternoon laugh.gif

my batch is Q746A474, Running at 4.4Ghz at 1.45V , stable orthos running 3 hours and 30 minutes de still counting

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not interested in dwi-teras anymore tongue.gif

u result was awesome
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QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 12 2008, 11:06 PM)
hi alll , just bought E8400 this afternoon  laugh.gif

my batch is Q746A474, Running at 4.4Ghz at 1.45V , stable orthos running 3 hours and 30 minutes de still counting
 
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Where did you get it and what's the current price?
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Good stuff biggrin.gif
Where did you get it and what's the current price?
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that batch all it lyn and digital mall.
how i know cause thats the one i bought for my friend..

yeah tested that on my friends UT in singapore last weekend
good stuff..



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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 13 2008, 01:16 AM)
that batch all it lyn and digital mall.
how i know cause thats the one i bought for my friend..

yeah tested that on  my friends UT in singapore last weekend
good stuff..
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lol ya i bought it from ALL IT lowyat this afternoon laugh.gif it was priced at Rm740 i nego nego then they give me RM730 discount Rm10 doh.gif

yeeerrr not good doh.gif something bad happen playing games CoD4 , Crysis after 30 minutes got error pop up cry.gif
issit my MCH and FSB voltage pump not enuf ?
my mobo Gigabyte P35-DS3P Rev 1.0 F9 bios
currently MCB is 0.20 V
FSB is 0.20 V

issit not enuf ? pls gimme some suitable voltage for my MCB and FSB pls wink.gif no idea wats is my stock MCB and FSB voltages wink.gif

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If it's Orthos stable then it shouldn't have this problem. Btw, your previous screenshot doesn't have Orthos running? Did you mistaken Orthos for 3dmark? laugh.gif
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Just curios...if we run orthos, do we need to run it at priority 8 to determine the stability?
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QUOTE(Volt @ Feb 13 2008, 09:52 AM)
Just curios...if we run orthos, do we need to run it at priority 8 to determine the stability?
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no
priority 1 will do.


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lol ya i bought it from ALL IT lowyat this afternoon  laugh.gif it was priced at Rm740 i nego nego then they give me RM730 discount Rm10  doh.gif

yeeerrr not good  doh.gif  something bad happen playing games CoD4 , Crysis after 30 minutes got error pop up  cry.gif 
issit my MCH and FSB voltage pump not enuf ?
my mobo Gigabyte P35-DS3P Rev 1.0 F9 bios
currently MCB is 0.20 V
              FSB is  0.20 V

issit not enuf ? pls gimme some suitable voltage for my MCB and FSB pls  wink.gif no idea wats is my stock MCB and FSB voltages wink.gif
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 13 2008, 05:15 AM)
If it's Orthos stable then it shouldn't have this problem. Btw, your previous screenshot doesn't have Orthos running? Did you mistaken Orthos for 3dmark? laugh.gif
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tsk tsk tsk atleast some screenshot laugh.gif

dude get ure fsb termination voltage right before u pump ure NB

rule of thumb for fsb voltage < vcore.

coult be ure rams/nb.. go 1:1 and reduce strength..
run memtest 256/512mb at least to 1000%.. to stress ure NB.

no suitable voltage.. trial and error.. all mobos are different

reduce ure multi get the bus and mem correct since ure vcore is perfect with orthos small fft..

but i do warn u, this proc abit weird.. its very inconsistent at times even if u pass all the test.. no idea why..
tested it on two mobos and same result on 3 different procs, retail and oem.

thats what the discussion with uzairi was all about.
heck for those that have been used to overclocking 500 bus if i tell this they also found it weird 4ghz and 4.25 okay.. 4.5 orthos okay/not okay .. nb/mem not okay/okay..

i trouble shoot and found whenever u go above 480 bus.. this will start..
small fft goes beserk.. prime 95 also..

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Thx for advice~ notworthy.gif i'm abit noob in pumping North bridge and Fsb voltage~
base on your advice so i should emphasize on the FSB voltage then only go to MCB aka north bridge voltage ?

so how much i should pump in and whats the max voltage i can pump ? coz i donno wats the stock V for both of them ~~ i scare i fry them doh.gif

oh ya i did pop into HALTED , 1 error dedected at 4 hours and 13 minutes last nite in Orthos blend doh.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 13 2008, 11:22 AM)
Thx for advice~ notworthy.gif  i'm abit noob in pumping North bridge and Fsb voltage~
base on your advice so i should emphasize on the FSB voltage then only go to MCB aka north bridge voltage ?

so how much i should pump in and wats the max voltage i can pump ? coz i donno wats the stock V for both of them ~~ i scare i fry them  doh.gif
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NB differs from chipset and strap so cannot help u there

fsb as i said < vcore...

the rule for this differs.. some will say force push nb, get the right fsb and go on to reduce NB
me and a few guys i know we did old school for this proc.. from 400fsb till 506 today we have already excelled it on all the voltage for every 5 mhz increament.
so i usually base on that since all of them passed 2 hours min on orthos and memtest 768mb ( choose the number for max a single program that u game.. crysis 512-1024mb should be okay) for 1 hour..


wei uzairi found one more bug...

1st day orthos stable 8 hours
2nd day on the 10 min.. i was unrar a 4gig file.. orthos rounding error.. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 13 2008, 11:22 AM)
so how much i should pump in and whats the max voltage i can pump ? coz i donno wats the stock V for both of them ~~ i scare i fry them  doh.gif

oh ya i did pop into HALTED , 1 error dedected at 4 hours and 13 minutes last nite in Orthos blend doh.gif  doh.gif
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ignore it..
could be fsb could be gtl also..

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QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 13 2008, 11:28 AM)
LOL  sweat.gif  shocking.gif  we have fall into intel's Genie pig trap woot  sweat.gif
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later looking to source a ES..

so then i can compare the bug with retail vs ES vs oem.

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back to 4.2Ghz 467 X9
increase MCB to 0.275 V
increase FSB to 0.25 V
ram back to 1:1
testing orthos now seee can anot ~~hope no error pop up rclxub.gif

lol i pump v core to 1.468V
orthos blend ~~ coretemp Core 0 71C , Core 1 71 C shocking.gif

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1 hour orthos not enuf lol go for 4 hours laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 13 2008, 11:57 AM)
back to 4.2Ghz 467 X9
increase MCB to 0.275 V
increase FSB to 0.25 V
ram back to 1:1
testing orthos now seee can anot ~~hope no error pop up  rclxub.gif

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1 hour orthos not enuf lol go for 4 hours  laugh.gif
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nah 467 still okay
its only after 480.
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QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 13 2008, 11:57 AM)
@Vtec(Rock)
1 hour orthos not enuf lol go for 4 hours  laugh.gif
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ive read somewhere in the webbie(forum), when they discussing bout STABILITY

& yet, they mention that even 12hrs of orthos/ prime95 it wont prove the overclocked system is stable
sometimes, after 30min~1hrs of gaming, the 12hrs prime stable rig went crash/ hang.. hmm.gif hmm.gif

wonder Y eh? but if u didnt face a prob with ur rig, then its ok i think

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sad cry.gif doh.gif 478 X 9 4.3Ghz error wink.gif havent exceed 480 also sweat.gif 1.468 V

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i think i shall stick with 4.2Ghz with 1.45V with Ocied 1121Mhz ram . still stable orthos 1hour 3 minutes and still counting~~ but lose out 200 marks in 3Dmarks 06 cry.gif

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hmm to much vcore for sure..

lower it to load around 1.35v

and ure NB hmm p35 1333 mhz right.
try 1.3-1.6x ure lowest NB voltage
and FSB termination 1.3-1.6x ure lowest fsb termination voltage

tRD 10 on mem ( use memset for now) CL5 1:1..

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YES !!!!! problem fixed back to 4.4Ghz again this time played crysis 1hour 15 minutes and CoD4 1 hour no hang or watever!!
i just Clear mobo Bios ~ set every back to defualt then set back to 4.4Ghz 489 X 9 with 1.45V thumbup.gif
MCB increase 0.15V
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so far so goood laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gengstapo @ Feb 12 2008, 11:10 PM)
kewL man, really.. if only its was quad-cores, me also gonna get em'

not interested in dwi-teras anymore tongue.gif

u result was awesome
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Added on February 14, 2008, 9:32 amwith q9450 u need 500mhz fsb for 4ghz..

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QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 13 2008, 06:44 PM)
YES !!!!! problem fixed back to 4.4Ghz again this time played crysis 1hour 15 minutes and CoD4 1 hour no hang or watever!!
i just Clear mobo Bios ~ set every back to defualt then set back to 4.4Ghz 489 X 9 with 1.45V  thumbup.gif 
MCB increase 0.15V
FSb increase 0.10V
so far so goood  laugh.gif
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hehehe...sold mine already... whistling.gif ...gud result for ezonizs... thumbup.gif
n yes if ur priming stable for 12 hours doesn't mean u will stable playing game...vice versa actually...
priming only stress mainly the proc itself or maybe u choose for ram oso...while gaming involve other hardware...
n also...if u can run n finish 3dmark on high freq...doesn't mean ur proc stable at that speed...

other thing to look into is the global reset...coz maybe ur setting is at example 4.5Ghz...the setting will stay there coz u only reboot/restart ur pc...try after u set the max setting...shutdown/power off all n leave it be for 15 minutes...then power back on...see if the setting still there or the bios will auto reset it...some board/bios will have this prob on high fsb setting...

well its all about to find the sweet spot... brows.gif

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uzairi..
not sure whether u know this
this procs like to undershoot and overshoot the ref termination voltage..

geeee kindda hard leh.. just now was looking for gtl 85.3.. kekeke.. couldnt..
this is y depesrate need of the UT mobo or any mobo that has that bios.


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QUOTE(gengstapo @ Feb 13 2008, 12:12 PM)
ive read somewhere in the webbie(forum), when they discussing bout STABILITY

& yet, they mention that even 12hrs of orthos/ prime95 it wont prove the overclocked system is stable
sometimes, after 30min~1hrs of gaming, the 12hrs prime stable rig went crash/ hang..  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

wonder Y eh? but if u didnt face a prob with ur rig, then its ok i think
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I had experience with CS crashing on X2 3600+ 2.4ghz prime stable 10 hours.
The problem was ram timing. Trfc, too tight.

I guess a lot stressing needed to achieve a really stable overclocked rig.
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I had experience with CS crashing on X2 3600+ 2.4ghz prime stable 10 hours.
The problem was ram timing. Trfc, too tight.

I guess a lot stressing needed to achieve a really stable overclocked rig.
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not orthos.

or memtest windows.. watch those temps on nb rocket up..

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Feb 14 2008, 12:00 PM)
I had experience with CS crashing on X2 3600+ 2.4ghz prime stable 10 hours.
The problem was ram timing. Trfc, too tight.

I guess a lot stressing needed to achieve a really stable overclocked rig.
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q9450 @ 3.6ghz or e8400 @ 4ghz ... i dunno which 1 to choose now...
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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 15 2008, 09:20 AM)
q9450 @ 3.6ghz or e8400 @ 4ghz ... i dunno which 1 to choose now...
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q9450 @ 3.6ghz or e8400 @ 4ghz ... i dunno which 1 to choose now...
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geee got somebody in lyn whos q6600 can do 3ghz at 1.1v.. kekeke

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q9450 @ 3.6ghz or e8400 @ 4ghz ... i dunno which 1 to choose now...
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OMG... u must be too rich to get a Q9450....
E8400 is more than enough for gaming purpose...
unless ur doing really lots of computing and takes in lots of processing power

i'm sure ur not a professor who work in a computer lab
calculating protein structure or wad so ever rite....

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did u disable ur C1E function..if not the cpu will downclock the multiplier when no load...when on load it will back to the highest multiplier...
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off ure PAE..
no point..

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Feb 15 2008, 09:31 AM)
If you are only using your rig for gaming, your E6600 is already enough la....  wink.gif
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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 15 2008, 07:12 PM)
Wel... i still need another proc for building my other comp... lolz
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 15 2008, 07:33 PM)
I agree with kmarc and E6600 is more than enough but I guess your Quad and Pennryn are both superb so I suggest you sell me your E6600 laugh.gif
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OK! I got a question: Which of those following OC settings run fastest?

Setting 1:
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Unstable with stock vcore. RAM is at 1066mhz @ 5-5-5-15.

Or Setting 2:
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Unstable with 1.225v. RAM is at 1000mhz @ 5-5-5-15.

Or Setting 3: 400mhz x8/3.2ghz(tested, stable) with RAM at 800mhz @ 4-4-4-12 @ 2.1v?


Added on for not 1:1.
Or Setting 4:400mhz x8/3.2ghz(tested, stable) with RAM at 1066mhz @ 5-5-5-15?

Or Setting 5:
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100% stable with stock vcore however I put 1.225v for it. RAM is at 960mhz @ 5-5-5-15.
Below is temperature for Setting 5:
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Please and Thank You!

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First setting is the best and try to get it stable with 8x multi.


Added on February 17, 2008, 9:39 pmFirst setting is the best and try to get it stable with 8x multi.

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Setting 3: 400mhz x8/3.2ghz(tested, stable) with RAM at 800mhz @ 4-4-4-12 @ 2.1v?

this one is the best...if u dont believe me...just run SP1M for all the setting (3x-5x persetting)...u can see the diff after that

800Mhz 4-4-4-12 is faster than 1000Mhz 5-5-5-15

p/s: ignore the temp for this time...all mobo doesn't seem given accurate reading...

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Silverfire, I'll go for the highest FSB followed by the RAM timings. Although in benchmark programs it'll show significant number difference for tighter timings, you can't really feel it in real life usage smile.gif
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dont u think ure overvolting that proc of ures..

and 533 bus.. the prob is not the vcore.. is the NB voltage

thats y ure 500x6 had problems

technically depends.. games i would go for 500x6

overall performance would be ure 400x8. at the lowest trd CL3.


but pretty sure u could have gone to 9x400 at less than 1.2v



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To flatfinger: Alright, will give it try~

To clawhammer: Ya... My brother also say like that.

To cstk1: How to increase NB voltage? When in 500x6 I can use normally for around 10 mins then suddenly BSOD-ed.


Added on for the line.
Thanks in advance!

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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Feb 18 2008, 06:24 AM)
To flatfinger: Alright, will give it try~

To clawhammer: Ya... My brother also say like that.

To cstk1: How to increase NB voltage? When in 500x6 I can use normally for around 10 mins then suddenly BSOD-ed.


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definitely more than 1.5v on NB
and ure fsb termination voltage cannot go more than ure vcore.


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Let's not confuse the whole world (especially new learners) with regards to "FSB termination voltage". Many motherboards DOES NOT have this feature and it is either an ASUS or X38 standard feature (I don't know). Not having this voltage doesn't mean you can't overclock and this is one of the least to worry about.

Our focus are primarily on these few common voltages, i.e. Vcore, Vdimm, Vmch, etc. You can't overclock if your motherboard does not have settings for the mentioned voltages but you can still overclock if it doesn't have "FSB termination voltage".
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Let's not confuse the whole world (especially new learners) with regards to "FSB termination voltage". Many motherboards DOES NOT have this feature and it is either an ASUS or X38 standard feature (I don't know). Not having this voltage doesn't mean you can't overclock and this is one of the least to worry about.

Our focus are primarily on these few common voltages, i.e. Vcore, Vdimm, Vmch, etc. You can't overclock if your motherboard does not have settings for the mentioned voltages but you can still overclock if it doesn't have "FSB termination voltage".
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fsb termination voltage aka cpu vtt voltage aka ht-link voltage.

all boards has this

checking ure manual now.. find it weird that ure mobo doesnt has this.

P35 DS3L
http://america.giga-byte.com/FileList/Manu...d)s3l_2.0_e.pdf

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FSB Overvoltage

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The explanation should be more specific and for people that knows, we will understand FSB termination voltage is CPU VTT but for those that don't, they'll probably go lost somewhere and either spend their money on a new piece of hardware but in the end still don't get their desired results.

I did not specifically mention a particular motherboard but there are many boards out there without the word "FSB Termination Voltage" stated.

At the same time, increase of CPU VTT does not apply for overclocking of all CPU's. To some, it doesn't make a lot of difference.


Added on February 18, 2008, 4:03 pmSome further reading of what GTL, VTT is about:
http://www.edgeofstability.com/articles/df...5/gtl/gtl1.html

Excerpt from the article
"Simply raising VTT may or may not create voltage margins necessary to sufficiently skew signals as required to meet minimum sample and hold times for increased bus frequencies. Additionally, processors are particularly sensitive to even small increases in VTT as bus impedances and termination resistance values are quite low. In fact, increasing VTT will most likely just create unwanted device heating with little to no change in FSB stabilization.

http://www.thetechrepository.com/showthread.php?t=87

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 18 2008, 03:54 PM)
The explanation should be more specific and for people that knows, we will understand FSB termination voltage is CPU VTT but for those that don't, they'll probably go lost somewhere and either spend their money on a new piece of hardware but in the end still don't get their desired results.

I did not specifically mention a particular motherboard but there are many boards out there without the word "FSB Termination Voltage" stated.

At the same time, increase of CPU VTT does not apply for overclocking of all CPU's. To some, it doesn't make a lot of difference.


Added on February 18, 2008, 4:03 pmSome further reading of what GTL, VTT is about:
http://www.edgeofstability.com/articles/df...5/gtl/gtl1.html

Excerpt from the article
"Simply raising VTT may or may not create voltage margins necessary to sufficiently skew signals as required to meet minimum sample and hold times for increased bus frequencies. Additionally, processors are particularly sensitive to even small increases in VTT as bus impedances and termination resistance values are quite low. In fact, increasing VTT will most likely just create unwanted device heating with little to no change in FSB stabilization.

http://www.thetechrepository.com/showthread.php?t=87
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hence y i say keep it lower than ure vcore.. so most of the time dont even have to raise it.

auto.. bad idea..

simple.. not even talking about gtl in the reference to advice to last screenshot.


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I always had it auto and never killed anything. Anyway, it's up to the person on how they want to do it smile.gif
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I always had it auto and never killed anything. Anyway, it's up to the person on how they want to do it smile.gif
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no idea bout gigabyte p35DS3 and to be more specific..

but on asus x38, Evga 680, Asus Striker Extreme ( One of the earlier boards,, fried two rams and one proc.. degrade actually), Foxconn P35 Mars, Gigabyte N680 DQ6 (Fried Rams for breakfast), EVGA 680 SLI( Rmaed twice and now dead still have it if u want to prove the fsb termination theory) P35 DQ6
all of this boards its a NO NO.


ure fsb termination voltages is the one that overheats the proc and kills the proc

its the link between the core to the NB.

google it. quite a no of ppl killed either their proc or mobo by doing that for a long period of time.

to make it plain .. keep it lower than vcore.. thats all i am saying.. not trying to debate..


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No comments smile.gif I've provided my side of the story so it's up to the person on how he wants to overclock.
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just a little curious, did u got ur 8400 from a shop in ss15?
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Added on February 19, 2008, 7:25 pmlooking at ur sig.... r u the guy who discussed about the proc with me there?... hahaha biggrin.gif

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haha!! bingo thumbup.gif
i suspected it coz i saw ur siggy too. And the timing was perfect laugh.gif

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hahaha ... okay... hopefully as soon as possible and hope to get similar batch as urs... Crazy vcore @ high clock man... biggrin.gif


Added on February 19, 2008, 9:03 pmwoah... ur ds3 can go 500mhz fsb?... whats the voltages of the nb and others?...

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ill hope with you as well laugh.gif
been seeing u around here, mana tau its you haha.

Nice meeting ya anyways, lets stay in topic before the mods comes in sweat.gif


Added on February 19, 2008, 9:03 pmall +1 only. Just to be on the safe side, its stable enough =)

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swt... and i thought only dq6 can get that high fsb... how high can ur e8400 go with those cooling ?..
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i didnt really push it far yet, so far i was only able to do 4.5Ghz, im sure it can do better, but due to the DTS issue, inaccurate temps is bothering me, so i dare not go any higher at the moment sweat.gif
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how come ur temps innacurate?... software doesnt support it yet?...
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wink.gif dont dare to push my mobo to 500 fsb scare gonna fried it sweat.gif
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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 19 2008, 09:18 PM)
how come ur temps innacurate?... software doesnt support it yet?...
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its quite likely that the current bios is not able to correctly read it.

QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 19 2008, 09:26 PM)
wink.gif dont dare to push my mobo to 500 fsb scare gonna fried it  sweat.gif
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Usually, something will only fry if u heavily overvolt it.
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but to get 500mhz need to heavily overvolt it ... smile.gif
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I manage to get my E8200 @ 8 x 500 now and left all NB, SB, VTT at default smile.gif It works fine but I'm still testing around. I manage to get it 3.8Ghz+ Orthos stable.
These E8200 are wonders and work just as good as E8400's

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hmmm? my fsb and MCH is +.1 only sweat.gif
i dont think in anyway that its heavily overvolted laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 19 2008, 09:26 PM)
wink.gif dont dare to push my mobo to 500 fsb scare gonna fried it  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Feb 19 2008, 10:01 PM)
hmmm? my fsb and MCH is +.1 only sweat.gif
i dont think in anyway that its heavily overvolted laugh.gif
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uh... how come i cant get more than 420 fsb with my e6600.... =.= it wont post...

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its more likely your proc limitation rather than your board sweat.gif
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Now my E8400 is running at 378*9~ 3.4ghz @ 1.2v(I wonder if stock vcore can or not), RAM is at 1134mhz @ 5-5-5-15 @ 2.2v.


Added on for the question.
AoiNatsume, are you using Intel stock hsf?

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nope... its been many years ago since i last touched any stock hsf sweat.gif

current setup is exactly on my siggy =)

Then again, i doubt that heat is an issue at the moment. despite going 4Ghz for daily setup, im only using 1.26vcore.
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O... I see, I see. Thanks for your answer...
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isit possible to touch 5ghz with water cooling with e8500?..

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i think it is possible, but just benchmark able. Even if its stable, the voltage will kill ur proc before the heat does.
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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 20 2008, 05:20 PM)
isit possible to touch 5ghz with water cooling with e8500?..
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what the... 4950mhz on air??? sumore on e8400? 550fsb? wow...
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eh bro, just in time. your proc arrived, you can pick it up anytime =)
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My 3DMark06 score on my E8400 wink.gif
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would the e8400 be bottlenecked if i use abit ip35-e?and whats the dffrence btween ip35-e and ip35-pro?
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yo bro... just installed my e8400 today... Is this temp correct? everything stock...

Idle:
CPU:28
Core1:42
Core2:41

Load:
CPU:31
Core1: 49
Core2: 49

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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 22 2008, 06:18 PM)
yo bro... just installed my e8400 today... Is this temp correct? everything stock...

Idle:
CPU:28
Core1:42
Core2:41

Load:
CPU:31
Core1: 49
Core2: 49
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shocking.gif Looks real!! Mine at stock the temp already like this:
Idle:
CPU:3x~4x
Core1:5x
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CPU:4x~5x
Core1: 6x
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This is the temp i got while running orthos... swt...
Time Date CPU Clock Core1 Core2
18:37:33 02/22/08 3000.11 54 48
18:37:34 02/22/08 3000.11 54 49
18:37:35 02/22/08 3000.11 54 49
18:37:36 02/22/08 3000.11 55 49
18:37:37 02/22/08 3000.11 54 50
18:37:38 02/22/08 3000.11 55 49
18:37:39 02/22/08 3000.11 55 49
18:37:40 02/22/08 3000.11 54 49
18:37:41 02/22/08 3000.11 55 48
18:37:42 02/22/08 3000.11 54 48
18:37:43 02/22/08 3000.11 55 48
18:37:44 02/22/08 3000.11 55 49
18:37:45 02/22/08 3000.11 55 49
18:37:46 02/22/08 3000.11 55 49
18:37:47 02/22/08 3000.11 55 49
18:37:49 02/22/08 3000.11 54 47
18:37:50 02/22/08 3000.11 55 49
18:37:51 02/22/08 3000.11 55 49
18:37:52 02/22/08 3000.11 52 46
18:37:53 02/22/08 3000.11 48 42
18:37:54 02/22/08 3000.11 49 42
18:37:55 02/22/08 3000.11 48 42
18:37:56 02/22/08 3000.11 54 47
18:37:57 02/22/08 3000.11 53 45
18:37:58 02/22/08 3000.11 50 44


Added on February 22, 2008, 6:40 pmcore1 and core2 temp seems to differ quite alot...

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QUOTE(alive88 @ Feb 22 2008, 05:18 PM)
would the e8400 be bottlenecked if i use abit ip35-e?and whats the dffrence btween ip35-e and ip35-pro?
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It seems that everytime i restart pc the temp readings are different ... =.=

EDIT: Its same... but why does the coretemp diff so much?... the TIM not spread properly?

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QUOTE(alive88 @ Feb 22 2008, 06:46 PM)
guys..help me with this
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Id strongly recommend P35-DS3 bro, i totally under estimated this board by its looks and its cheap price. If you have the budget go for Foxconn Mars, or 1 step ahead, the maximus.

QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 22 2008, 06:50 PM)
It seems that everytime i restart pc the temp readings are different ... =.=

EDIT: Its same... but why does the coretemp diff so much?... the TIM not spread properly?
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ur currently running everything stock right? hsf stock as well?
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@aoinatsume
if p35-ds3 bundled with e8400,how much is it altogether?will it exceed more than 1.1k?
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yup... slightly over only =)
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would the e8400 be bottlenecked if i use abit ip35-e?and whats the dffrence btween ip35-e and ip35-pro?
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apparently, according to some reviews that i read, the 8400 overclocks better than the 8200. Im not very sure about this though, at least thats what i read.
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AoiNatsume, you got increase Northbridge and FSB voltage for your overclocking?
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between p35-ds3 and abit ip35-e..which is better?
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Feb 22 2008, 08:34 PM)
ur currently running everything stock right? hsf stock as well?
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settings are stock... hsf is ifx-14...


Added on February 23, 2008, 10:50 amHere am i running @ 4ghz at 1.26 vcore... =.=

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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Feb 22 2008, 10:54 PM)
AoiNatsume, you got increase Northbridge and FSB voltage for your overclocking?
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yes, +1 for both.

QUOTE(alive88 @ Feb 23 2008, 03:04 AM)
between p35-ds3 and abit ip35-e..which is better?
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Ive played with the IP35-e and DS3 before, the ip35 isnt that bad, but the winner is still ds3 if you can afford the additional RM80 bro. Otherwise the ip35 is alright too.

QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 23 2008, 10:32 AM)
settings are stock... hsf is ifx-14...


Added on February 23, 2008, 10:50 amHere am i running @ 4ghz at 1.26 vcore... =.=

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Added on February 23, 2008, 12:11 pmtry 500 x 8, timing ram 1:1 5-5-5-15 or 4-4-4-12 @ 2.2/2.3v, im sure ur tracers can do that speed laugh.gif

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Alright, successed in 3.92ghz @ 1.4vcore in BIOS/1.38vcore in BIOS reading/1.36vcore in CPU-Z reading. But I only did 3DMark06 and CPU-Z validation and nothing else. The temp was quite high around 50'C in BIOS reading.

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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Feb 23 2008, 12:09 PM)
dude, try 500 FSB le, dun torture ur board like that, im sure it can take up 500 fsb easily xD


Added on February 23, 2008, 12:11 pmtry 500 x 8, timing ram 1:1 5-5-5-15 or 4-4-4-12 @ 2.2/2.3v, im sure ur tracers can do that speed laugh.gif
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wat do u mean dun torture my board? ... sweat.gif
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You can run 500FSB with that settings but you need more Vcore to get it stable. For mine, I need around 1.4V (on E8200)
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@clawhammer..i intend to use the mobo for e8400
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QUOTE(alive88 @ Feb 23 2008, 04:08 PM)
@clawhammer..i intend to use the mobo for e8400
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my mars still kicking asses with e8400... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 23 2008, 10:03 PM)
my mars still kicking asses with e8400...  tongue.gif
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What Vcore did you had for it to be Orthos stable @ 4Ghz?
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 23 2008, 10:10 PM)
What Vcore did you had for it to be Orthos stable @ 4Ghz?
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1.24v bro... biggrin.gif

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1.24v bro... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 23 2008, 10:57 PM)
1.24v bro... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 23 2008, 10:59 PM)
Orthos stable at 1.24V? smile.gif Ok, that's interesting and you're having the best E8400 on earth I guess.
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srry bro... not 1.24v... 1.26v... biggrin.gif same batch as AoiNatsume... smile.gif


Added on February 23, 2008, 11:01 pmhaven push it to the limit yet... need to reapply the TIM properly ... i think i applied it unevenly... lolz... currently at 4ghz load temp is 55C and idle is 42...

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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 23 2008, 11:00 PM)
srry bro... not 1.24v... 1.26v... biggrin.gif  same batch as AoiNatsume...  smile.gif


Added on February 23, 2008, 11:01 pmhaven push it to the limit yet... need to reapply the TIM properly ... i think i applied it unevenly... lolz... currently at 4ghz load temp is 55C and idle is 42...
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hmm.. how about ur E8200? does it need lots of vcore for stability?
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hmm.. how about ur E8200? does it need lots of vcore for stability?
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what i was saying is, your board is hunger for more FSB, dun let ur board cry laugh.gif

Ur very lucky eh, same batch as mine tongue.gif
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 23 2008, 11:25 PM)
My current E8200 is a much better overclocker than my previous E8400. It needs 1.4V to be stable @ 4ghz and I'm now trying for more smile.gif
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You're using E8400?
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Must be ET E8400 shocking.gif
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Q743 I think...
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@bro clawhammer..u said better go for ip35-e..then i can safe my budget..now for the proc,e8200 or e8400..i just want to be stable at 4ghz only using tuniq tower icon_rolleyes.gif
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it depends on the week manufactured or stepping?
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QUOTE(OC4/3 @ Feb 24 2008, 03:27 AM)
I think Q746 is quite good.Most of the processor i think can touch 4ghz.
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My E8400 earlier is a Q746 and yes, it touches 4ghz but needs quite a bit of voltage and it doesn't overclock any better than 4.2Ghz stable.

Btw, I came across this:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=318677

E8400 @ 5.1Ghz on Kingston RAM, Asus Commando smile.gif His batch number is L748A142. Btw, he's doing all these on Tuniq Tower 120.

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 24 2008, 03:38 AM)
My E8400 earlier is a Q746 and yes, it touches 4ghz but needs quite a bit of voltage and it doesn't overclock any better than 4.2Ghz stable.

Btw, I came across this:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=318677

E8400 @ 5.1Ghz on Kingston RAM, Asus Commando smile.gif His batch number is L748A142. Btw, he's doing all these on Tuniq Tower 120.
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My old E8200 able to manage 4ghz at minimal volatage increase. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(AoiNatsume @ Feb 24 2008, 12:41 AM)
@icemocha

what i was saying is, your board is hunger for more FSB, dun let ur board cry laugh.gif

Ur very lucky eh, same batch as mine tongue.gif
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will do tat later haha... Btw how do I get as low vcore stable as possible?


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I think Q746 is quite good.Most of the processor i think can touch 4ghz.
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lol...my batch is Q748.. Its performing nicely..

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it depends on the week manufactured or stepping?
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 24 2008, 03:38 AM)
My E8400 earlier is a Q746 and yes, it touches 4ghz but needs quite a bit of voltage and it doesn't overclock any better than 4.2Ghz stable.

Btw, I came across this:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=318677

E8400 @ 5.1Ghz on Kingston RAM, Asus Commando smile.gif His batch number is L748A142. Btw, he's doing all these on Tuniq Tower 120.
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So L748A is good?What about Q748A?Q746A i have saw quite some people doing 4.7ghz like that(Suicide).


Added on February 24, 2008, 3:15 pmThe best is Q748A?If so i can get it cheaply.Confirm good,Q748A?

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lol...i tell u lar...even same batch sumtimes dun work really wel...jus my 2cents
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QUOTE(seanlimys @ Feb 24 2008, 04:07 PM)
lol...i tell u lar...even same batch sumtimes dun work really wel...jus my 2cents
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i just got my E8400 with VID of 1.0375V, but sadly my dfi dk p35 mobo
can't do undervolt.

anyone have any ideas which mobo having this undervolt function?
*dk p35 was my 1st 775 mobo smile.gif

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why u wanna undervolt it? -.-
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Look like Q748A142 is the best so far for max oc.This is the batch that do 5.1ghz on air.
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QUOTE(lichyetan @ Feb 24 2008, 08:33 PM)
My Wolfdale 8400 OC, bought from Flat_Finger...
4ghz OC with Team Elite 4gb Kit... passed 8hours blend prime... tested small FFT and large in place FFT, forgot take shots... will post if i free to do so...

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just for ur reference....last time i do
4.0Ghz with 1.36v.... SP1M 11.703s
4.2Ghz with 1.42v.... SP1M 11.063s

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Dude lets make this thread actually worth while to troubleshoot overclocking settings.

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Proc : E8400 Retail
FPO : Q746A474
Vcore = 1.152
Core Speed = 450x8 = 3.6ghz


[attachmentid=404628]
1.CPUZ screen shot of first CPU tab Either 450x8 or 424x8.5 or 400x9 - Download Here
2.Orthos one Large FFT for one hour - Download Here
3.Orthos Small FFT for one hour.
4.Memset - Download Here



Reason for posting.. i am very confident that at 3.6ghz all penryn can do less than 1.2v.
so just wanna see whether this is true or not. Cause so far i have tried quite a number of batches and they all can do less than 1.2 which is y i find it weird that ppl are doing 1.4v for 4ghz.

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 25 2008, 01:06 PM)
Dude lets make this thread actually worth while to troubleshoot overclocking settings.
1.CPUZ screen shot of first CPU tab Either 450x8 or 424x8.5 or 400x9 - Download Here
2.Orthos one Large FFT  for one hour - Download Here
3.Orthos Small FFT for one hour.
4.Memset - Download Here
Reason for posting.. i am very confident that at 3.6ghz all penryn can do less than 1.2v.
so just wanna see whether this is true or not. Cause so far i have tried quite a number of batches and they all can do less than 1.2 which is y i find it weird that ppl are doing 1.4v for 4ghz.
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I need 1.3v to do 3.6ghz at 400x9.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=319494
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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Feb 25 2008, 02:19 PM)
I need 1.3v to do 3.6ghz at 400x9.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=319494
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dude can post a screenshot ure gigabyte voltage program or everest voltages
try the exact voltages but maybe higher vcore as my screenshot..

the VTT,NB etc..

a few of my friends also has e8400/e8200 batches ranging from fpo 42 to 48 and all of them can do less than 1.2v for 3.6ghz mainly on asus/dfi/abit mobos. heck one of them even on Neo2... so just wondering on the gigabyte.


even better if u can post like the template above..

easier to see..

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Previously my E8400 also needs around +/- 1.3V to do 3.6Ghz
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I just updated my post with the Easy Tune 5 Pro thingy, hope it'll shed light wink.gif
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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Feb 25 2008, 04:06 PM)
I just updated my post with the Easy Tune 5 Pro thingy, hope it'll shed light wink.gif
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updated to 4 hours 30 minutes.

not enough info..

is it possible to show a everest ultimate OSD with the voltages..
ty

want to see what ure running at..

3 voltages in paticular
NB/VTT(FSB termination) and ure PLL.
oh yeah and to get the full voltages sensors
please enable ACPi table especially ACPI 2.0 support


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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Feb 25 2008, 04:06 PM)
I just updated my post with the Easy Tune 5 Pro thingy, hope it'll shed light wink.gif
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hmm still incomplete dude..
so many voltages reading missing.

i wonder y. dfi UT can read ..
gaygaybyte ACPI table is not a 1.1 or 2.0 prehaps??

hmm that case dude dunno whats ure fsb termination /nb on load.


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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 25 2008, 05:27 PM)
updated to 4 hours 30 minutes.

not enough info..

is it possible to show a everest ultimate OSD with the voltages..
ty

want to see what ure running at..

3 voltages in paticular
NB/VTT(FSB termination) and ure PLL.
oh yeah and to get the full voltages sensors
please enable ACPi table especially ACPI 2.0 support


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hmm still incomplete dude..
so many voltages reading missing.

i wonder y. dfi UT can read ..
gaygaybyte ACPI table is not a 1.1 or 2.0 prehaps??

hmm that case dude dunno whats ure fsb termination /nb on load.
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I've no ideas sweat.gif
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i know this is leceh
but can u check at ure bios at the monitoring page to check whats the actual voltage for ure FSB, NB and PLL.
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 25 2008, 05:55 PM)
i know this is leceh
but can u check at ure bios at the monitoring page to check whats the actual voltage for ure FSB, NB and PLL.
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for ur info...giga board like ds3 dont have sensor for vmch/nb... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 25 2008, 06:32 PM)
for ur info...giga board like ds3 dont have sensor for vmch/nb... sweat.gif
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in the bios??

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 25 2008, 06:33 PM)
in the bios??
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hehhe nope...see for urself...i oso surprise sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif most of the voltage sensor not there...

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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 25 2008, 06:42 PM)
hehhe nope...see for urself...i oso surprise  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif most of the voltage sensor not there...

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u guys should sue gaygaybyte..

or get a voltmeter.

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 25 2008, 07:04 PM)
damn man
u guys should sue gaygaybyte..

or get a voltmeter.
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hahahha...at 1st time i booted this mobo...totally shock everest detect vcore n vdimm only...where's the vmch/nb??? then i ask around...n the answers is nope....mmg takder... sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(overclockalbert @ Feb 24 2008, 07:04 PM)
i just got my E8400 with VID of 1.0375V, but sadly my dfi dk p35 mobo
can't do undervolt.

anyone have any ideas which mobo having this undervolt function?
*dk p35 was my 1st 775 mobo smile.gif
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why? you wanna run your proc below 1.0v?
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QUOTE(gsan @ Feb 25 2008, 09:04 PM)
why? you wanna run your proc below 1.0v?
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no lah, just 1.0375v smile.gif

any good mobo for recomen
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no lah, just 1.0375v smile.gif

any good mobo for recomen
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if your proc vid is 1.0375v then the default vcore is that value...
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 25 2008, 01:06 PM)
Reason for posting.. i am very confident that at 3.6ghz all penryn can do less than 1.2v.
so just wanna see whether this is true or not. Cause so far i have tried quite a number of batches and they all can do less than 1.2 which is y i find it weird that ppl are doing 1.4v for 4ghz.
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thinking to get the lowest end model which is e8200 aite?
dya think the bold sentence could be apply on e8200 as well?
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QUOTE(gengstapo @ Feb 26 2008, 08:36 AM)
thinking to get the lowest end model which is e8200 aite?
dya think the bold sentence could be apply on e8200 as well?
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didnt try e8200..


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bro what cooling r u using on ur e8200?
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QUOTE(gsan @ Feb 26 2008, 08:26 AM)
if your proc vid is 1.0375v then the default vcore is that value...
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no..
core temp has a error of 0.1v.
so its 1.1375..

try it at stock with ure mobo.. the voltage u get at stock timing is ure vid..
also note certain mobo like DFI and FOXconn MARS gives inaccurate VID readings.
especially when EIST is enabled..
the problem is the ACPI table reading which core temp takes the reading from.


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to all...4Ghz stable is not a challenge for E8400 ...u all should target like 4.5Ghz stable for 24/7 usage...non i see yet from here...what i see most of it only can be stable at 4.2Ghz....like mine last time 4.2Ghz@1.42v....

for E8200 that can run 4.0Ghz stable...already good enough for it thumbup.gif

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Hmmm.... so it is confirmed that Penryn CPUs are warrantied up to 1.36v..... http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3239&p=2

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Feb 26 2008, 04:57 PM)
Hmmm.... so it is confirmed that Penryn CPUs are warrantied up to 1.36v..... http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3239&p=2
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Feb 26 2008, 04:57 PM)
Hmmm.... so it is confirmed that Penryn CPUs are warrantied up to 1.36v..... http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3239&p=2
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eh no dude..
warranted up to ure box stated max

hmm wait retract that back..

reason is cause last time thats what happened when i rmaed my p4. they knew i overclocked it and said it was warranted according to the box stated max..


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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 26 2008, 05:49 PM)
eh no dude..
warranted up to ure box stated max

hmm wait retract that back..

reason is cause last time thats what happened when i rmaed my p4. they knew i overclocked it and said it was warranted according to the box stated max..
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if its true shakehead.gif ....if we wanna OC....we just buy OEM one...cheaper n less warranty period....

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 26 2008, 05:49 PM)
eh no dude..
warranted up to ure box stated max

hmm wait retract that back..

reason is cause last time thats what happened when i rmaed my p4. they knew i overclocked it and said it was warranted according to the box stated max..
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Dunno.... bryaneo87 got a reply from Intel saying that the Q6600 is warrantied until 1.5v vcore....

So, I concluded that their warranty for vcore is based on the max VID voltage range. See here : http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLACR

If you look at penryn, the max VID voltage range is 1.3625v... IIRC....
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Feb 26 2008, 06:23 PM)
Dunno.... bryaneo87 got a reply from Intel saying that the Q6600 is warrantied until 1.5v vcore....

So, I concluded that their warranty for vcore is based on the max VID voltage range. See here : http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLACR

If you look at penryn, the max VID voltage range is 1.3625v... IIRC....
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hmmm dunno leh

but this is what happened when i rma my P4 like 2 years ago.
i send it to them and it was a few voltages above the box stated max.
and then they replied that it is void since i went above the box stated max.

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Feb 26 2008, 06:23 PM)
Dunno.... bryaneo87 got a reply from Intel saying that the Q6600 is warrantied until 1.5v vcore....

So, I concluded that their warranty for vcore is based on the max VID voltage range. See here : http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLACR

If you look at penryn, the max VID voltage range is 1.3625v... IIRC....
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if im not mistaken...all 65nm proc warranty limit at 1.5v.....maybe 45nm proc will be at 1.36v....
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how they know about the voltage when u bring for warranty anyway?
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so mean higher ur VID mean u got more protection ???

btw the q6600 vid range for kmarc provided link, 1.5v that hight ???

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how they know about the voltage when u bring for warranty anyway?
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good question

but this was debate a few times.. but afaik it is true during the p4 days that intel has a way to find out what vcore u were running last before the proc kaputs.

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 26 2008, 06:54 PM)
good question

but this was debate a few times.. but afaik it is true during the p4 days that intel has a way to find out what vcore u were running last before the proc kaputs.
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Yeah, I always wondered on that too..... same with DDR2 rams.... how do they find out that we OC higher than their warrantied vdimm?? hmm.gif

And here I am, too chicken to run my Q6600 higher than 1.400v set in BIOS!!!! doh.gif

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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 26 2008, 06:42 PM)
how they know about the voltage when u bring for warranty anyway?
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Feb 26 2008, 07:09 PM)
Yeah, I always wondered on that too..... same with DDR2 rams.... how do they find out that we OC higher than their warrantied vdimm??  hmm.gif

And here I am, too chicken to run my Q6600 higher than 1.400v set in BIOS!!!!  doh.gif
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the answer is simple guy...they make the chip...for sure they know the architecture...n for sure they put this hidden sensor or what so ever...someone calling it intel blackbox...not many ppl know about this ...the theory is the same like when a plane crashed...they know what happen when the find the blackbox...

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Feb 26 2008, 07:09 PM)
Yeah, I always wondered on that too..... same with DDR2 rams.... how do they find out that we OC higher than their warrantied vdimm??  hmm.gif

And here I am, too chicken to run my Q6600 higher than 1.400v set in BIOS!!!!  doh.gif
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ok rams for sure ure definately wrong

proof me is here.. rma rams on a monthly basis..

just dont burn the rams which i just did .. ty moderno for helping me to rma the CL3's..

that would be the 5th time kekek hope team dont blacklist me.

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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 26 2008, 10:18 AM)
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bro what cooling r u using on ur e8200?
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Yeah, I always wondered on that too..... same with DDR2 rams.... how do they find out that we OC higher than their warrantied vdimm??  hmm.gif

And here I am, too chicken to run my Q6600 higher than 1.400v set in BIOS!!!!  doh.gif
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In fact most of the time your warranty would go through. The reason is also because people from the west are very ethical and not many would claim RMA if they kill RAMs themselves due to overclocking. Unlike most Malaysians (if not some) which are abusive, we can kill the RAM multiple times, RMA it and still feel proud of that.

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 27 2008, 12:24 AM)
I'm still using IFX-14 smile.gif I get 44C idle even with the new P11 BIOS


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In fact most of the time your warranty would go through.
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The reason is also because people from the west are very ethical and not many would claim RMA if they kill RAMs themselves due to overclocking.
Unlike most Malaysians (if not some) which are abusive, we can kill the RAM multiple times, RMA it and still feel proud of that.
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RMA of rams is more on the in the US..

most Malaysians (if not some) get wrong facts and proud of that..

especially killing rams is only possible if u burn the rams which is voids any form of warranty and u have to bear repair cost
degradation of rams is caused on long term stressing of the rams.. which usually result in higher vdimm or not detect problems popping up randomly..

Most Malaysians (if not some) doesnt even know this and is proud of that.

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You can easily find a state in the US which is the size of the whole Malaysia so I don't see an issue for them to have higher number of RMA cases. I don't buy your statement with regards to degration as your statements are most of the time baseless and without proper facts.

Please get on with the discussion regarding Pennryn before I click the "Report" button smile.gif

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 27 2008, 02:18 AM)
You can easily find a state in the US which is the size of the whole Malaysia so I don't see an issue for them to have higher number of RMA cases. I don't buy your statement with regards to degration as your statements are most of the time baseless and without proper facts.

Please get on with the discussion regarding Pennryn before I click the "Report" button smile.gif
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degradation of rams for long time stressing on high vdimm is a fact. whether u buy it or not is up to u.

heck u should report ureself dude.

and the rma cases which said was meant on percentage...

wheres ure facts on saying malaysians claim rma more??
this fact must be as evasive as ure magic e8400 4ghz SP1m less than 11s.

here is for ure reading since u never did it ureself
edited... next thing u will be posting this everywhere
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think will just take HMMaster signature advice.. and just ignore ppl like u.

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 27 2008, 12:24 AM)
In fact most of the time your warranty would go through. The reason is also because people from the west are very ethical and not many would claim RMA if they kill RAMs themselves due to overclocking. Unlike most Malaysians (if not some) which are abusive, we can kill the RAM multiple times, RMA it and still feel proud of that.
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Woah..... cool down guys.... let's not start another slug fest.... sweat.gif

Anyway, my family lives in the U.S. and I must say that the word "ethical" don't really apply to them in terms of returning/RMAing stuffs because the process of RMA is a CULTURE over there...... don't like the colour, return it..... cannot OC so high, RMA it..... use 1 week and feel bored with it, return it..... no questions ask..... I find that incredible and somewhat surprising.....

Anyway, we should get back to the topic..... sorry for the off-topic comment..... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Erm.. guys this is not a RAM discussion thread... its penryn man... so far i pushed my e8400 to 4.4GHz stable at 1.41v... doh.gif

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Feb 27 2008, 07:17 AM)
Woah..... cool down guys.... let's not start another slug fest....  sweat.gif

Anyway, my family lives in the U.S. and I must say that the word "ethical" don't really apply to them in terms of returning/RMAing stuffs because the process of RMA is a CULTURE over there...... don't like the colour, return it..... cannot OC so high, RMA it..... use 1 week and feel bored with it, return it..... no questions ask..... I find that incredible and somewhat surprising.....

Anyway, we should get back to the topic..... sorry for the off-topic comment.....  icon_rolleyes.gif
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right .. when i was in the uk a lot of ppl there for prom used to buy dresses and than return it back later since most shops gives a 1 week return policy.


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Erm.. guys this is not a RAM discussion thread... its penryn man... so far i pushed my e8400 to 4.4GHz stable at 1.41v... doh.gif
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nice clocks.. screenies??
whats ure full FPO btw??

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 27 2008, 10:56 AM)
nice clocks.. screenies??
whats ure full FPO btw??
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wats FPO?... screenies later... doing some testing at the moment... getting it to run at as low vcore as possible...
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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 27 2008, 03:51 PM)
wats FPO?... screenies later... doing some testing at the moment... getting it to run at as low vcore as possible...
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he mean ur cpu batch...
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 27 2008, 04:39 PM)
he mean ur cpu batch...
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erm.. my batch# is Q748A141...
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erm.. my batch# is Q748A141...
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proves it that batch no is not important..



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lol 1.41v for 4.4Ghz quiet good de. my need up to 1.4656V to get it stable sad.gif
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New E8400 user reporting here.
I manage to OC my proc to 4GHz @ 1.38vcore (bios) ..vdrop to 1.352 (cpu-z)
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Will try harder on higher speed. Had to wait for my long waited Silverstone PSU (more than 2 months+ RMA rclxub.gif rclxub.gif )

Spec as my signature below. All OC done on Acbel 390watt sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif . Really scary..hahaha

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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Feb 27 2008, 09:26 PM)
New E8400 user reporting here.
I manage to OC my proc to 4GHz @ 1.38vcore (bios) ..vdrop to 1.352 (cpu-z)
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Will try harder on higher speed. Had to wait for my long waited Silverstone PSU (more than 2 months+ RMA  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif )

Spec as my signature below. All OC done on Acbel 390watt  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif . Really scary..hahaha
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nice stuff.. eh .. advise to call distro directly...

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guyz.. want to ask... how far u guys can go normally on stock vcore? i just pushed my 8400 to 3.45 n it failed orthos priority 1 cry.gif btw... i just installed it 30 minutes ago... need burn-in more long ka?
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QUOTE(tkh_1001 @ Feb 27 2008, 11:35 PM)
guyz.. want to ask... how far u guys can go normally on stock vcore?  i just pushed my 8400 to 3.45 n it failed orthos priority 1  cry.gif  btw... i just installed it 30 minutes ago... need burn-in more long ka?
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3.8GHZz-3.9GHz...try tweaking ur ram timing
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 27 2008, 11:44 PM)
3.8GHZz-3.9GHz...try tweaking ur ram timing
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well...i am using crucial tracer 800mhz here... i put on 4-4-4-10 @ 2.0V... shud i loosen it to 5-5-5-18 to get a max OC on stock vcore?


EDIT: well guys... i dont know what happened.. but my e8400 proc cant seems to even pass 375*9=3.375ghz cry.gif on prime 95 using small fft @ stock vcore (VID is 1.22) now.... is there something i set wrongly rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 27 2008, 10:58 PM)
nice stuff..  eh .. advise to call distro directly...
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Ya. Already called a guy named Jack. He said will be arrive early next month. Hope it not another blank promise that I received since day 1 of RMA.
Lesson learned from this Silverstone hoo-haa RMA, never buy any unpopular stuff from them again...They will give 1 damn good reason for their long RMA delay...."NO STOCK!!"
Sorry out of topic here...

Once I got back the psu, Will try to put for FSB500. Will also install 3rd party NB cooler. Hope it can help to push more.

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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Feb 28 2008, 12:00 PM)
Ya. Already called a guy named Jack. He said will be arrive early next month. Hope it not another blank promise that I received since day 1 of RMA.
Lesson learned from this Silverstone hoo-haa RMA, never buy any unpopular stuff from them again...They will give 1 damn good reason for their long RMA delay...."NO STOCK!!"
Sorry out of topic here...

Once I got back the psu, Will try to put for FSB500. Will also install 3rd party NB cooler. Hope it can help to push more.
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ST56??.. they should be having tons of them.

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QUOTE(tkh_1001 @ Feb 27 2008, 11:50 PM)
well...i am using crucial tracer 800mhz here... i put on 4-4-4-10 @ 2.0V...  shud i loosen it to 5-5-5-18 to get a max OC on stock vcore?
EDIT: well guys... i dont know what happened.. but my e8400 proc cant seems to even pass 375*9=3.375ghz    cry.gif on prime 95 using small fft @ stock vcore (VID is 1.22) now.... is there something i set wrongly  rclxub.gif
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ur ram n proc should not have a problem running 1:1 divider with 9x400 to get 3.6GHz at stock voltage...what board u r using??
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 28 2008, 12:34 PM)
ST56??.. they should be having tons of them.
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ZT56ZF...Zues series...sad.gif
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 28 2008, 02:20 PM)
ur ram n proc should not have a problem running 1:1 divider with 9x400 to get 3.6GHz at stock voltage...what board u r using??
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yeah..thats what i thought so as well... i am using p35-ds3 rev2.1 (F12) .... my batch is Q478A143.... aduh... hopefully i am not getting a bad batch..... anyone with this same batch around?
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hmm icemocha ure mars mobo ..

theres a LED for the rams..
is it suppose to be red light??
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my batch...Q745A818 <--bad batch..havent started assembly my pc yet..
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erm...whats ur max OC on vcore for that bro?
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QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 28 2008, 07:06 PM)
E8400 OC ownage  laugh.gif  sry  sign0006.gif
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QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Feb 28 2008, 07:06 PM)
my batch...Q745A818 <--bad batch..havent started assembly my pc yet..
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eh then how u know bro bad or not??
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 28 2008, 07:00 PM)
hmm icemocha ure mars mobo ..

theres a LED for the rams..
is it suppose to be red light??
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they're crucial tracer ram... got red and green... which moves when theres activity... smile.gif
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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 29 2008, 09:15 AM)
they're crucial tracer ram...  got red and green... which moves when theres activity...  smile.gif
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he mean in between of ur mars ram slots smile.gif
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QUOTE(coolice @ Feb 29 2008, 09:24 AM)
he mean in between of ur mars ram slots smile.gif
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oh yeah dude i couldnt remove the heatsink to show u the pic
screw is too tight.
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QUOTE(tkh_1001 @ Feb 28 2008, 06:59 PM)
yeah..thats what i thought so as well... i am using p35-ds3 rev2.1 (F12) ....  my batch is Q478A143.... aduh... hopefully i am not getting a bad batch..... anyone with this same batch around?
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there is no bad batch if u wanna OC up to 4.0Ghz only....all E8400 can do that...maybe u had some flaw in ur setting...

QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Feb 28 2008, 07:06 PM)
my batch...Q745A818 <--bad batch..havent started assembly my pc yet..
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u have to try OC it 1st to know its a good batch or not...google around try to find some info about ur batch....let me simplified 1 thing...in E8400 OCing...the selecting of a batch seems doesn't given the same result....example: maybe ur batch n mine is the same....but ur proc can OC better than mine...n then there is other with the same batch can OC worst than me...

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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 29 2008, 11:48 AM)
there is no bad batch if u wanna OC up to 4.0Ghz only....all E8400 can do that...maybe u had some flaw in ur setting...
u have to try OC it 1st to know its a good batch or not...google around try to find some info about ur batch....let me simplified 1 thing...in E8400 OCing...the selecting of a batch seems doesn't given the same result....example: maybe ur batch n mine is the same....but ur proc can OC better than mine...n then there is other with the same batch can OC worst than me...
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i was right about the fsb termination.. theres not enough range

with the maximus i can get 3.6ghz at 1.52 stable for 9 hours orthos the other day before i switched it off
with the mars 3.6ghz at 1.68v failed orthos within 1 hour 45 minutes.


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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 29 2008, 12:14 PM)
i was right about the fsb termination.. theres not enough range

with the maximus i can get 3.6ghz at 1.52 stable for 9 hours orthos the other day before i switched it off
with the mars 3.6ghz at 1.68v failed orthos within 1 hour 45 minutes.
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hehe i told u already....the OC result depend on what mobo u plug this babe in...
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 29 2008, 12:19 PM)
hehe i told u already....the OC result depend on what mobo u plug this babe in...
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yeah but i think its the fsb voltage

anybody here got e8400 + DK.. since Dk has good ranges on their FSB termination
so should be good.

Foxconn P35 mars VS Maximus.. even the temps are way off for core temp.
since room temp conditions are around the same.

heck the Mars is on a bench rig somemore.


Foxconn p35 Mars 3.6ghz 400x9 core temp 55-56
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VS

Asus Maximus Formula SE
X38 3.6ghz 450x8 core temp 48
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more 3.8ghz 475x8 Foxconn vs 450x8.5 :3.825ghz maximus
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this is the same voltage for the maximus clocks above
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the maximus was much more stable reason running dreamscene and usually run a .ogm file playback.. in this case was all the episodes of trigun.

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woah ur vcore sooooo low 1...? whats ur setting?
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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 29 2008, 05:13 PM)
@cstkl1
woah ur vcore sooooo low 1...? whats ur setting?
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wei 3.8 only larr.

all there dude.. on the foxconn panel.. but hmm that one failed leh in 40 minutes.. now trying 1.24v

need to get a voltmeter and check this mobo
the asus i know is almost exact

one thing weird with e6600 and e2160 the vdroop almost non existent but with e8400 geee..

quick way to test NB /mem voltage stable
run orthos like above or even better run 3rd one with blend but then need 2 hours
run dreamscene for background and run some .OGM movie..

heck if didnt freeze for 10 minutes then ure NB voltage is good

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 29 2008, 05:34 PM)
wei 3.8 only larr.

all there dude.. on the foxconn panel.. but hmm that one failed leh in 40 minutes.. now trying 1.24v

need to get a voltmeter and check this mobo
the asus i know is almost exact

one thing weird with e6600 and e2160 the vdroop almost non existent but with e8400 geee..

quick way to test NB /mem voltage stable
run orthos like above or even better run 3rd one with blend but then need 2 hours
run dreamscene for background and run some .OGM movie..

heck if didnt freeze for 10 minutes then ure NB voltage is good
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i also experiencing 0.02 vdroop on e8400 where my e6600 no vdroop... shakehead.gif btw whats ur stable vcore @ 4.0ghz?

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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 29 2008, 06:24 PM)
i also experiencing 0.02 vdroop on e8400 where my e6600 no vdroop...  shakehead.gif btw whats ur stable vcore @ 4.0ghz?
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checking 4.05
since i got 450 bus nailed..

okay everything this motherboard does is 0.03v more than maximus
also the CPU temp on this board = core temp on maximus.

only diff is this mobo damn plug and play..
just worry about vcore or NB.. sishh while maximus had to test GTL/PLL and VTT

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some noob question here, i get my e8400 oc to 4.05ghz stable with 8 hours prime, small in place FFT, large fft and blend test... and memtest as well, but still getting random BSOD after playing heavy 3D applications games such as crysis... problem solve when using my 2gb Crucial 10th Anniversary RAM but i couldnt get the TEAM Elite 4gb kit stable even on stock settings, 3ghz, DDR2 800. what made the matter worst is the ram are passed all memtest... but keep crashing on certain level of crysis but not for 2gb of ram... main point is do i need to increase NB volt to get 4gb stable on my system, its impossible the ram passed all test but random restart playing heavy 3d Games... i am using ASUS Blitz Formula Mobo... and also what's the safe 24/7 voltage for NB?
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QUOTE(lichyetan @ Feb 29 2008, 07:11 PM)
some noob question here, i get my e8400 oc to 4.05ghz stable with 8 hours prime, small in place FFT, large fft and blend test... and memtest as well, but still getting random BSOD after playing heavy 3D applications games such as crysis... problem solve when using my 2gb Crucial 10th Anniversary RAM but i couldnt get the TEAM Elite 4gb kit stable even on stock settings, 3ghz, DDR2 800. what made the matter worst is the ram are passed all memtest... but keep crashing on certain level of crysis but not for 2gb of ram... main point is do i need to increase NB volt to get 4gb stable on my system, its impossible the ram passed all test but random restart playing heavy 3d Games... i am using ASUS Blitz Formula Mobo... and also what's the safe 24/7 voltage for NB?
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checking 4.05
since i got 450 bus nailed..

okay everything this motherboard does is 0.03v more than maximus
also the CPU temp on this board = core temp on maximus.

only diff is this mobo damn plug and play..
just worry about vcore or NB.. sishh while maximus had to test GTL/PLL and VTT
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well.. the mars is still big bang for bucks... doing over 500fsb easily...

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u running wat vcore for 4ghz?ur stock vcore how much?how far can go with ur stock vcore?highest u can go at moment u hv tried?
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i running 1.30vcore for 4ghz... stock vcore is 1.225... i tried stable 4.4ghz @ 1.50vcore highest so far... for some reason very hard to make it stable i already overvolt the nb and others cant seem to run @ 4.5ghz...

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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 29 2008, 09:10 PM)
i running 1.30vcore for 4ghz... stock vcore is 1.225... i tried stable 4.4ghz @ 1.50vcore highest so far... for some reason very hard to make it stable i already overvolt the nb and others cant seem to run @ 4.5ghz...
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nice 4ghz at 1.3v..hehhe gud batch..gonna try mine tonite c how brows.gif
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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 29 2008, 07:58 PM)
probably ur graphic card is giving problems... try running the cpu @ stock ?


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well.. the mars is still big bang for bucks... doing over 500fsb easily...
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i can run without artifacts using 2gb ram... no hangs. 4gb giving problem even downclock to ddr2 667
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 26 2008, 11:26 AM)
no..
core temp has a error of 0.1v.
so its 1.1375..

try it at stock with ure mobo.. the voltage u get at stock timing is ure vid..
also note certain mobo like DFI and FOXconn MARS gives inaccurate VID readings.
especially when EIST is enabled..
the problem is the ACPI table reading which core temp takes the reading from.
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so my vid should be 1.1375v , which smartguardian showing the correct reading.....when i set everything
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QUOTE(overclockalbert @ Feb 29 2008, 10:54 PM)
so my vid should be 1.1375v , which smartguardian showing the correct reading.....when i set everything
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yup thats ure vid.. good stuff
mine is 1.19v

here is the problem
u dont have enough vtt range to go lower than vid.
heck i can do 3.6ghz at 1.152 , u'd expect me to be able to do 3ghz at 1.4.. but nope.. cannot not enough range.

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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 29 2008, 12:19 PM)
hehe i told u already....the OC result depend on what mobo u plug this babe in...
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erm..just a noob question bro... so far there is no problem on hitting this babe @ 4ghz ++ with a p35-ds3 rite?
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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Feb 29 2008, 07:58 PM)
probably ur graphic card is giving problems... try running the cpu @ stock ?


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well.. the mars is still big bang for bucks... doing over 500fsb easily...
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heck theres only one thing i find the mars damn gila
is the rams.. timings are chun and tight
and maximus i cannot do TRD 7 on 500 fsb 1:1
but this board can.

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QUOTE(lichyetan @ Feb 29 2008, 07:11 PM)
some noob question here, i get my e8400 oc to 4.05ghz stable with 8 hours prime, small in place FFT, large fft and blend test... and memtest as well, but still getting random BSOD after playing heavy 3D applications games such as crysis... problem solve when using my 2gb Crucial 10th Anniversary RAM but i couldnt get the TEAM Elite 4gb kit stable even on stock settings, 3ghz, DDR2 800. what made the matter worst is the ram are passed all memtest... but keep crashing on certain level of crysis but not for 2gb of ram... main point is do i need to increase NB volt to get 4gb stable on my system, its impossible the ram passed all test but random restart playing heavy 3d Games... i am using ASUS Blitz Formula Mobo... and also what's the safe 24/7 voltage for NB?
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i am having the same cpu and ram as u and has yet to overclock high. Try increase the nb voltage. Could be due to nb stressing.
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bro, for 3.6ghz(500x6) and 3.825ghz(450x8.5) using same vcore n stable prime...do u think if goin for 4ghz(445x9) with same setting can pass prime? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Mar 1 2008, 12:34 AM)
heck theres only one thing i find the mars damn gila
is the rams.. timings are chun and tight
and maximus i cannot do TRD 7 on 500 fsb 1:1
but this board can.
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mars overclocking capability owns~~ biggrin.gif btw... how high can my crucial ballistix 6400 ram go?


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QUOTE(mfcm @ Mar 1 2008, 07:43 AM)
@cstkl1
bro, for 3.6ghz(500x6) and 3.825ghz(450x8.5) using same vcore n stable prime...do u think if goin for 4ghz(445x9) with same setting can pass prime? hmm.gif
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what vcore are u running?... i think @ 445x9 need alot higher vcore...

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QUOTE(mfcm @ Mar 1 2008, 07:43 AM)
@cstkl1
bro, for 3.6ghz(500x6) and 3.825ghz(450x8.5) using same vcore n stable prime...do u think if goin for 4ghz(445x9) with same setting can pass prime? hmm.gif
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wah 3.825 1.184v!!!!!
wah...
chun leh.

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is orthos crashing and vista desktop manager crashing = unstable?....
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@cstkl1
is orthos crashing and vista desktop manager crashing = unstable?....
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yup..

heck any crash is unstable

i find vista now best way to test instability.

on dreamscene/play some vid/ run orthos.. kekek
its to stimulate a normal stress routine.

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Mar 1 2008, 10:13 AM)
wah 3.825 1.184v!!!!!
wah...
chun leh.
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hahaha thx for ur help oso..uzairi oso help abit notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

here my 450x8.5 12hours prime wub.gif
1.2v bios n idle..load 1.184v

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will try 445x9 after dis rclxm9.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif

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sweet clocks at low Vcore dude.. super stuff! i have yet to graduate to 45nm yet tongue.gif
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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Mar 1 2008, 09:55 AM)
mars overclocking capability owns~~  biggrin.gif  btw... how high can my crucial ballistix 6400 ram go?


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what vcore are u running?... i think @ 445x9 need alot higher vcore...
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for 450x8.5 oredi passes 12hours prime.using 1.2v stock vcore in bios n idle..load 1.184v..both NB 1.33v
tryin to get same vcore for 445x9 seem cant..so up abit my vcore..now prime with 1.232v load smile.gif will wait pass or not drool.gif
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3.8ghz @ 1.18v ... ultra low vcore.... good proc u got there bro... any secrets to getting that low vcore? brows.gif

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QUOTE(lichyetan @ Feb 29 2008, 07:11 PM)
some noob question here, i get my e8400 oc to 4.05ghz stable with 8 hours prime, small in place FFT, large fft and blend test... and memtest as well, but still getting random BSOD after playing heavy 3D applications games such as crysis... problem solve when using my 2gb Crucial 10th Anniversary RAM but i couldnt get the TEAM Elite 4gb kit stable even on stock settings, 3ghz, DDR2 800. what made the matter worst is the ram are passed all memtest... but keep crashing on certain level of crysis but not for 2gb of ram... main point is do i need to increase NB volt to get 4gb stable on my system, its impossible the ram passed all test but random restart playing heavy 3d Games... i am using ASUS Blitz Formula Mobo... and also what's the safe 24/7 voltage for NB?
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Same thing happen to me also.
Crucial 10th Anni 2Gb +1GB KVR budget ram = 4GHz stable for 10+ hours.
OCZ Sli version DDR800 (4Gb kits) = cant even reach 4GHz now.

I dun even stress the ram yet...all OC done on 1:1 divider

Any1 got any idea? is definately VGA problem.

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im abit surprise coz its passed..jus gv try...but for 445x9(4ghz) seem cant do with same vcore...now priming 4ghz on 1.232v...oredi passed 2hours...wait till toinite..c how tongue.gif
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QUOTE(IcEMoCHa @ Mar 1 2008, 02:44 PM)
@mfcm

3.8ghz @ 1.18v ... ultra low vcore.... good proc u got there bro... any secrets to getting that low vcore?  brows.gif
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QUOTE(mfcm @ Mar 1 2008, 02:47 PM)
im abit surprise coz its passed..jus gv try...but for 445x9(4ghz) seem cant do with same vcore...now priming 4ghz on 1.232v...oredi passed 2hours...wait till toinite..c how tongue.gif
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suspect ure mobo..
kekeke
since vten also was using dfi...

dfi has good ranges on the fsb termination voltage.


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no hidden or secret ways i done..jus do wat my frens told n guide from other forumer here

@cstkl1
yeah seem i nonid to change mobo lor laugh.gif

btw failed prime after 5hours 45min for 1.232v 4ghz sad.gif tryin feed abit more vcore now..1.248v load
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QUOTE(mfcm @ Mar 1 2008, 07:45 PM)
@ice
no hidden or secret ways i done..jus do wat my frens told n guide from other forumer here

@cstkl1
yeah seem i nonid to change mobo lor laugh.gif

btw failed prime after 5hours 45min for 1.232v 4ghz sad.gif tryin feed abit more vcore now..1.248v load
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walao wehh.. my frend already grab penryn
seems ur proc batch cun..

happy overclocking!! rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(mfcm @ Mar 1 2008, 12:39 PM)
for 450x8.5 oredi passes 12hours prime.using 1.2v stock vcore in bios n idle..load 1.184v..both NB 1.33v
tryin to get same vcore for 445x9 seem cant..so up abit my vcore..now prime with 1.232v load smile.gif will wait pass or not drool.gif
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I have to say that your CPU is indeed a good one smile.gif Plenty of potential to go 4.3Ghz stable.
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QUOTE(gengstapo @ Mar 1 2008, 07:54 PM)
walao wehh.. my frend already grab penryn
seems ur proc batch cun..

happy overclocking!!  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
kekekeke itchy hand seeing other oc this proc..then decide to get a unit tongue.gif thx bro notworthy.gif

QUOTE(clawhammer @ Mar 1 2008, 08:22 PM)
I have to say that your CPU is indeed a good one smile.gif Plenty of potential to go 4.3Ghz stable.
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thx bro..still tweak for it..mite need favor from all of u here notworthy.gif will try later for more clock

btw tried 445x9 1.232v load but failed after 5hours..so up vcore abit to 1.248v load..here the result
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QUOTE(mfcm @ Mar 2 2008, 07:14 AM)
kekekeke itchy hand seeing other oc this proc..then decide to get a unit tongue.gif thx bro notworthy.gif
thx bro..still tweak for it..mite need favor from all of u here notworthy.gif will try later for more clock

btw tried 445x9 1.232v load but failed after 5hours..so up vcore abit to 1.248v load..here the result
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awesome
but for vcore failure
u can go back to 1.232
and mess with ure gtl settings

u should be able to use 1.232v
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Mar 2 2008, 10:05 AM)
awesome
but for vcore failure
u can go back to 1.232
and mess with ure gtl settings

u should be able to use 1.232v
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u mean i need to adjust my gtl abit?increase it?coz iinm its oredi highest in the setting..0.67..or any advise bout that bro? notworthy.gif notworthy.gif icon_question.gif
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nice oc result for penryn n it really tempting me to get one drool.gif drool.gif
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QUOTE(mfcm @ Mar 2 2008, 10:18 AM)
u mean i need to adjust my gtl abit?increase it?coz iinm its oredi highest in the setting..0.67..or any advise bout that bro? notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  icon_question.gif
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unlucky u at 5 hours
try messing with ure termination value and gtl.

yeah bro try it...


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QUOTE(mfcm @ Mar 2 2008, 10:18 AM)
u mean i need to adjust my gtl abit?increase it?coz iinm its oredi highest in the setting..0.67..or any advise bout that bro? notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  icon_question.gif
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GTL is more of fine tuning and if upping your Vcore solves the problem, I don't think you have to spend unnecessary time doing that GTL tweaking. For example if you need 1.3V to run stable, tweaking GTL would not get you to run stock 1.2V stable anyway smile.gif Plus, not all motherboards have GTL settings so the person that advised you to do so missed out this very important point or is either assuming everyone here owns an Asus motherboard like himself.

Nevertheless, there's no harm playing with GTL at a later stage - when we have nothing better to do biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Mar 2 2008, 01:05 PM)
GTL is more of fine tuning and if upping your Vcore solves the problem, I don't think you have to spend unnecessary time doing that GTL tweaking. For example if you need 1.3V to run stable, tweaking GTL would not get you to run stock 1.2V stable anyway smile.gif Plus, not all motherboards have GTL settings so the person that advised you to do so missed out this very important point or is either assuming everyone here owns an Asus motherboard like himself.

Nevertheless, there's no harm playing with GTL at a later stage - when we have nothing better to do biggrin.gif
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yup not all mobo got this option of setting...
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donno is this ok to read our temp or not..mayb we can try..im trying now :


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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Mar 2 2008, 06:10 PM)
yup not all mobo got this option of setting...
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eh...
are u guys sleeping on dope or something

that dfi mobo has one of the most widest range of tweaking.
heck if he wanted to do plug and play then whats the point of getting that dfi mobo??
if overvolting is good for u.. go ahead..
no wonder u guys rma ure boards so much..


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donno is this ok to read our temp or not..mayb we can try..im trying now :
<<REAL TEMP>>
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the asus cpu temp has always been 10C less than Core temp.


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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Mar 2 2008, 09:14 PM)
eh...
are u guys sleeping on dope or something

that dfi mobo has one of the most widest range of tweaking.
heck if he wanted to do plug and play then whats the point of getting that dfi mobo??
if overvolting  is good for u.. go ahead..
no wonder u guys rma ure boards so much..


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the asus cpu temp has always been 10C less than Core temp.
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im not talking bout dfi ....sure dfi has it....i think u "rabun" la....read correctly...i said "not all mobo" have that option ...aiyoo... doh.gif

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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Mar 3 2008, 12:55 AM)
im not talking bout dfi ....sure dfi has it....i think u "rabun" la....read correctly...i said "not all mobo" have that option ...aiyoo... doh.gif
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ah sorry was replying to ure quote.


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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Mar 2 2008, 12:39 PM)
unlucky u at 5 hours
try messing with ure termination value and gtl.

yeah bro try it...
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whats GTL and termination value? =.= blur~~... termination value = NB voltage? ... Mars got GTL?

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