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CyberTroop
post Oct 1 2010, 12:39 AM

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Hmm, I've got an internship at PwC under the group System and Process Assurance (SPA)..

Does this have anything to do with SAP? I have plans for my career in the future to be SAP FICO related as I'm studying Accounting Degree now.

Thank you.
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I'm going for a full course training on SD module on the 11th , at Genovate.

Any ex-genovate consultants here? What is the training environment like?
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FYI
Axon just posted a number of vacancies for SAP functional consultants for junior positions (not fresh grad)
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post Oct 1 2010, 02:02 PM

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i'll b attending the Axon bootcamp fr the SAP Basis,hopefully can meet up wv some lowyat mmber if gt chance...
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post Oct 3 2010, 05:49 PM

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i received a few pm es regarding the SAP ABAP under MSC Malaysia Jobcamp by HCL-Axon.. so i thought i share it in here..you can click on the link regarding the full course.

sap course overview
the name is Development Associate / Professional - ABAP with SAP NetWeaver 7.0

the training was great...it was a full detailed course and they crammed it into 25 days 9am-5pm ( 5 days a week). but for us, there was holiday in between such as hari raya and malaysia day.

what i meant for full detailed course is that u learn it all about sap abap without working experience. you;ve been trained in class and if you work extra hour to selfstudy the books cover by cover, you can pass the certification( i dont know about this, but the trainer and the hiring manager of HCL-AXON said the same thing). the course is without certification. if you want to get certified, prepare around rm2k...they said that sap certification examination are twice a month...and you can also download sample question, just google it.

i dont know if this training is enough to get a job in sap market. but they are advantages like you dont have to fork out your own money just to get trained..with this course handled by hcl-axon, they said they will call us for a group interview...i hope i can enter this company. i still didn't blast my resume because the training ended a few days ago on friday...

and the good news from mdec is that, now you can sit for any free course from mdec over and over again....after 5 years.

ps: i need a job, if anyone knows if the company hiring a fresh graduate , or need an intern/ojt/practical student in sap abap...i am available( and i havent done my practical/on the job training(ojt)yet... even though my college stated that i have completed my study(ojt is required to get the degree certificate and not required if you already got a job), ....,please,do tell me..ojt also fine with me..

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post Oct 7 2010, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(CyberTroop @ Oct 1 2010, 12:39 AM)
Hmm, I've got an internship at PwC under the group System and Process Assurance (SPA)..

Does this have anything to do with SAP? I have plans for my career in the future to be SAP FICO related as I'm studying Accounting Degree now.

Thank you.
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Anyone got any idea for this, would really be very helpful to me. Thanks alot
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post Oct 7 2010, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(CyberTroop @ Oct 7 2010, 10:35 AM)
Anyone got any idea for this, would really be very helpful to me. Thanks alot
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I'm not sure if it has anything to do with it but I really think you should go. PwC is a big company and having them in you CV can be really2 helpful




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post Oct 8 2010, 01:16 AM

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I have SAP ERP BP certification.

can this certification helps me getting any SAP related jobs?
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post Oct 9 2010, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(optyx_spider @ Oct 7 2010, 01:55 PM)
I'm not sure if it has anything to do with it but I really think you should go. PwC is a big company and having them in you CV can be really2 helpful
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Thanks alot for this reply, it really does help.

I just have one last question I want to ask, I foresee that my career ahead of me involves around SAP FICO.

I recently got another internship offer from Deloitte under the SAP department. Should i go for PwC System, Process Assurance, or Deloitte SAP?

Sorry to be asking so many questions in this section, I'm really facing a huge dilemma.
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post Oct 12 2010, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(optyx_spider @ Oct 7 2010, 01:55 PM)
I'm not sure if it has anything to do with it but I really think you should go. PwC is a big company and having them in you CV can be really2 helpful
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Not actually if you want to do SAP. PWC is more audit firm than a consulting firm doing SAP support or implementation.


Added on October 12, 2010, 8:51 am
QUOTE(CyberTroop @ Oct 9 2010, 12:50 AM)
Thanks alot for this reply, it really does help.

I just have one last question I want to ask, I foresee that my career ahead of me involves around SAP FICO.

I recently got another internship offer from Deloitte under the SAP department. Should i go for PwC System, Process Assurance, or Deloitte SAP?

Sorry to be asking so many questions in this section, I'm really facing a huge dilemma.
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I think you already answered your own question / dilemma. Of the 3, only 1 can provide you the access to do SAP. The other 2, don't unless you are working for end-user firm that uses SAP.

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post Oct 12 2010, 01:48 PM

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My vote goes to Deloitte, as they seems to put more focus on systems development and implementation. While PWC is just....an audit firm.

This post has been edited by HybridMaestro: Oct 12 2010, 03:20 PM
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post Oct 12 2010, 05:03 PM

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@HybridMaestro

I suggest you wait for 2-3 months as working on a big project will give you lots of knowledge~ eventually you will need experience working on a project to demand salary when you are hopping. But if you do get offer to work on other projects, that is a different case..


Added on October 12, 2010, 6:40 pm
QUOTE(badzeugene @ Oct 8 2010, 12:16 AM)
I have SAP ERP BP certification.

can this certification helps me getting any SAP related jobs?
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it is a simple yes

This post has been edited by optyx_spider: Oct 12 2010, 06:40 PM
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post Oct 13 2010, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(optyx_spider @ Oct 12 2010, 05:03 PM)
it is a simple yes
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any company would u like to introduce me? smile.gif

but BP is stands for best practice, it doesnt mean any specific modules although we learnt many modules during the course.
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post Oct 13 2010, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(CyberTroop @ Oct 9 2010, 12:50 AM)
Thanks alot for this reply, it really does help.

I just have one last question I want to ask, I foresee that my career ahead of me involves around SAP FICO.

I recently got another internship offer from Deloitte under the SAP department. Should i go for PwC System, Process Assurance, or Deloitte SAP?

Sorry to be asking so many questions in this section, I'm really facing a huge dilemma.
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PwC sold their SAP consulting arm to IBM and they signed a non-compete agreement. Probably expired recently, but there's no news of them entering the SAP consulting industry.

So to answer your question, NO you career will not revolve around SAP FICO if you were to enter under PwC.

On the other hand, for Deloitte SAP:
Yes, if you're under their SAP consulting division and IF AND ONLY IF they assigned you to a FICO role.

QUOTE(badzeugene @ Oct 13 2010, 12:45 AM)
any company would u like to introduce me? smile.gif

but BP is stands for best practice, it doesnt mean any specific modules although we learnt many modules during the course.
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http://www.sap.com/malaysia/partners/direc...es/services.epx

That cert isn't sufficient in the sense you do not touch on customization but rather the general outline the best practices of business processes. Nevertheless, it's an "edge" compared to other non-certified freshies who wish to enter the SAP Market.

Perhaps you can try ObTech or Croseus IT as this BP-ERP cert caters more towards SAP B1 (smaller scale of SAP). Do note that the $$ of SAP is in the mySAP or for some old industries the R/3 market.

This post has been edited by zalmerox: Oct 13 2010, 01:11 AM
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post Oct 13 2010, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(zalmerox @ Oct 13 2010, 01:01 AM)

That cert isn't sufficient in the sense you do not touch on customization but rather the general outline the best practices of business processes. Nevertheless, it's an "edge" compared to other non-certified freshies who wish to enter the SAP Market.

Perhaps you can try  ObTech or Croseus IT as this BP-ERP cert caters more towards  SAP B1 (smaller scale of SAP). Do note that the $$ of SAP is in the mySAP or for some old industries the R/3 market.
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Thank you so much for the answer. May i ask, if i get an internship in Basis for 3 months, will it help me to get involved in ABAP or functional in future?
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No, it will not. BASIS is a totally different thing completely.

It's easier for an ABAPer to become functional, than a BASIS to become functional. This coming from a guy who did BASIS(User Authorization & Security) [ A super small section of BASIS, but a lot of work] for a year. Fortunately I manage to get into the MDeC job camp and obtain a functional cert (MM-Materials Management).


Remember: BASIS is basically a section/module by itself. The pay is not bad as well, but most of the BASIS jobs out there are on shift as you will be most likely supporting European countries.

P.S:
Axon Solutions/ HCL Axon is currently recruiting for newbies in functional module. Just do a search in the jenjobs/jobsdb/jobstreet. The pay isn't exactly the top of the line, but it's an extremely good starting point for any newbies.

This post has been edited by zalmerox: Oct 13 2010, 10:31 AM
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post Oct 13 2010, 02:17 PM

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@badzeugene

What I meant by "simple yes" is, having a cert is definite an advantage you have over those who do not have. Although I'm new in these field, I can see the main reason why companies(esp outsourcing com) want people with cert .mainly because they want to promote their company to their possible client. And in order for a company to be SAP business partner, the staff have to be certified(I'm not sure all or just a certain percentage)

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QUOTE(chezzball @ Nov 20 2007, 04:11 PM)
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This thread is to resume the previous CLOSED SAP Talk thread as the original TS had some issue with his company for revealing too much info. As requested, I'm starting this new thread for us to discuss SAP. The market is still good but demand not as high as before (90's). Stories about High paid SAP jobs is still valid if you work as a Contractor (paid daily rate) while Permanent is still good but less than Contractors. Currently the market in Malaysia focuses more on Support roles as most of the MNC here had already gone live. There is a saying "They are giving you high pay to compensate your learning curve". Therefore Contractors who is doing Support is often paid higher compared to those doing developments or project roll outs.

What is SAP?

Consulting companies in SAP (Malaysia)
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If you want to enter the SAP field, try your luck with the above consulting firms. What they do is, they deploy consultants over to client side for projects,developments,testing and support(rarely heard but it's possible). It is a good learning place because you are exposed to numerous projects of different modules, environment, architectures, etc. Normally these consulting firms would hire Fresh( fresh graduates, or non SAP-experience) as part of their annual graduate intake programmes. However don't expect big bucks during your early years in SAP.

SAP Users or companies that uses SAP are mostly comprises of Fortune 500 (Or MNCs in Malaysia). Just name any MNC or GLC in Malaysia and they are very likely a SAP User company @ End-user. Companies like Shell, BAT, Colgate, F&N, Astro, GAB, DKSH, Exxon-Mobil, Scomi, TNB, Telekom, Sime Darby are few of SAP Users in Malaysia. These companies will either engage the Consulting firms listed above to implement their SAP systems, or they will set up their own Internal SAP team/department. These End-User companies are most likely your 'target' if you are looking for high pay (RM2000 per day anyone? <--- yes it is possible. Just because you never heard of it b4 doesn't mean it don't exist) job. If you already have experience in SAP, most likely you will get calls from Headhunters to place you in these MNC/GLC for support roles. End user company do take in Fresh who doesn't have SAP experience but beware of bonds. If you don't mind bonds, it is a good place to start too, then slowly moving towards Consulting firms.

Outsourcing companies like T-systems, EDS, Averis, etc handles part of an End-User operations. There are cases where End-User company outsource their entire SAP support department to these companies in attempt to cut cost. They act like a Shared Services Center/Operations that handles more than 1 client/company's operations or systems.

Some FAQs:
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Some example of ABAP Codes
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you havent added Affiliated Computer Services in here smile.gif
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post Oct 14 2010, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(zalmerox @ Oct 13 2010, 10:19 AM)
No, it will not. BASIS is a totally different thing completely.

It's easier for an ABAPer to become functional, than a BASIS to become functional. This coming from a guy who did BASIS(User Authorization & Security) [ A super small section of BASIS, but a lot of work] for a year. Fortunately I manage to get into the MDeC job camp and obtain a functional cert (MM-Materials Management).
Remember: BASIS is basically a section/module by itself. The pay is not bad as well, but most of the BASIS jobs out there are on shift as you will be most likely supporting European countries.

P.S:
Axon Solutions/ HCL Axon is currently recruiting for newbies in functional module. Just do a search in the jenjobs/jobsdb/jobstreet. The pay isn't exactly the top of the line, but it's an extremely good starting point for any newbies.
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wow. thanks for sharing experience.

can i know how is ABAP pay? I'm currently study in IT, learnt quite some programming languages.

any recommendation which module is more suitable for me?
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QUOTE(optyx_spider @ Oct 12 2010, 05:03 PM)
@HybridMaestro

I suggest you wait for 2-3 months as working on a big project will give you lots of knowledge~ eventually you will need experience working on a project to demand salary when you are hopping. But if you do get offer to work on other projects, that is a different case..


Added on October 12, 2010, 6:40 pm
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@optyx_spider

Thanks for the advice. I've been thinking for quite some time. Thus I've decided to stay and see through all this. I'm going to be here possibly until March. Hopefully i get to join the team after that. (finger crossed) biggrin.gif

BTW, I would like to know does staying in the supporting role earns more or the implementation earns more?
I've known people who work in consulting firms for sometime and get head hunted to work for some MNC for easily 5 figures a month. But work in those MNC are usually supporting roles rite?

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