Pinch ppl from Axon as long don't pinch Axon culture (siao culture of JSPC). HCL-Axon culture is very much JSPC culture, suffered a lot last time when i was there.

Which company is this? Got any info.

Edwinsan84,

This statement : "I know IBM have IBM consulting but no chance to join this team due they are require high expectation" is quite 50% correct. However, the other 50% is correct on your statement because if you are a fresh graduate or less than 1 year experience in SAP implementation or support, it tends to be very hard to get into IBM. IBM tends to take high achievers from universities. If you are not high achievers, pray to God and hope u get in.. And if you were in IBM for 3 years and if you were in Team Blue. Team Blue is easier to move to SAP especially when there is a need for fresh graduates for SAP.

IBM tends to take in experience SAP ppl in as and when there is a need. Meaning if you have say 5 years SAP support in multiple industries, it is easier to get in.

But to start from basic level to learn SAP, then you should not pinned too high hope to get into IBM. Try other companies like Colgate Palmolive (Project Dragan) which no longer exist in Malaysia (only in Thailand), BASF, Petronas, Exxon Mobil (here u will learn the very old version of SAP), SCOMI (good place to learn stuff, they just fully implemented SAP ECC 6, now just on support), Sime Darby GSC, Haliburton (support), and etc.

Smaller companies tend to give better working opportunities than big companies. Big companies has high expectation for your performance and result. You can't expect to get to work in big companies hoping to start from basic level and the same time to be carried for your performance.

If it involves SAP Consultants based in TPM all got fired is a different situation.. But this, it is

I too have friends working in Axon. It's true the mat salleh still in control OF Malaysia, US and UK Office management, but global management is run by HCL. It's also true they have more projects but they are not keen of hiring local workforce, they are taking SAP resources from India which is cheaper and abudance. Meaning the huge number of projects are moving to India office. Most are foreseeing that all the projects will go to India and Malaysia office is nothing more of a support center - no more implementator taskforce.

The culture is always changing. I recall it was Druid culture > something > Mydruid > Axon (Mydruid + JSPC) - at this point, JSPC culture takes the predominant culture and Mydruid fades to background > now HCL-Axon - so depending to whichever predominant culture will take over and the other will fade away. My friends there are complaining that there are too many Indians (not been racist) but they are not use to see local workforce been replaced by foreigners.

Those who are still around that I know told me quite a number of malaysia and foreign consultants based in Malaysia office (from orginal Axon) rather to be @ oversea office/sites rather to be sitting in malaysia office (ppl tells me, so it might be true and vice versa).

If I am wrong, let us all know.

Hi,

Just to let you up front and frankly: Your general understanding of this industry is bollocks. Domino effects only happened when component industries that uses SAP decided to cut down their expenditure or investment into SAP. Even that, it will be wide effect. No matter whether foreigner or local, will be affected.



The cost of foreigner salary is equivalent of the local + all the other cost as Anne1818 has mentioned. It is not cheap and easy to get all these done.


SAP Industry jobs is very much a supply and demand industry. At the moment, the momentum is moving to offshore projects where most work is done here locally and project is implemented elsewhere. It is also not cheap to place on-shore team members at the country where the project is located. The company will need to pay from work permit to etc on top of paying the salary of the consultants (base + per diem).

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Added on October 19, 2009, 9:55 amAnother thing I want to add for those who wanted to do SAP for their career:

For those who been sending me private message for ways to enter SAP industry, please check the beginning of the thread and read it thru.

SAP industry there is basically 2 ways of entering. No other way unless you are top students (1% in your university).

1. Take SAP Academic Certification (about RM 30,000.00) and a lot of luck.

2. Look for MNC using SAP. Apply and work there for few years in SAP Support or in-house SAP development.


For those who is lucky to get into consulting firm, that is different story (this is the 1% in the industry as most got into from the 2 ways above).



This post has been edited by Frosty-Snowman: Oct 19 2009, 09:55 AM

Go ahead.

You missed out Indonesian as well. Usually in Malaysia - we tend to see more philippines and indonesian consultants. But they also prefered to work in Singapore. Malaysia is only a stepping stone for them to get to Singapore and US. So technically Malaysia is a transit point for them.

But there are some would come here for the working experience.

AMK reputation is quite double-face atm.

I have friends working with AMK in one of my earlier projects. They paid a heavy price when they tried to go back to their home country due to AMK did not even apply their job visa properly. They had to pay close to RM 16,000 of taxes @ immigration which AMK failed to apply their visa and another RM 5,000 to get their passport back. (They are from India).

But AMK is very good buddy with HP Support Center in Cyberjaya. They supply almost 75% of the Indian workforce for HP.

For me, I pretty much don't like AMK because the way they managed the interview and so on.. They are not discreet and didn't bother about you. They call your current boss and tell them everything including your interviews. This happened to me several years back. Regretted of putting my cv to them.

Typical of them.. The foreign consultants can't do much. AMK spend quite a lot of the consultant money on themselves (owner and onwards)..

Don't take them if they offer HP job or elsewhere. I have a chat with someone who just left AMK that they are charging 1 year salary to the client who is taking SAP consultant for work. The SAP consultant 1 year salary from the client. Imagine that.

Vantage Point consulting is mainly focusing on our Federal Govt (NO private companies project). Most of the directors are ex-minister aide, to heavy political movers in Malaysia. The current Secretary to the Government relative is the director in VPC.

Pay-wise = I can't comment much but they usually don't give good rates back to the consultant (salary wise). Bonuses is 25% chance to get it cause project wise VPC tend not to make profits. Most projects they have is pretty tight budget.

Current project as far as I know for SAP implementation is FELCRA ( dont ask me how i found out and I'm not from there, trade secret). VPC also do other than SAP projects, JAVA and etc.

Population in VPC = 65% Malay, 35% Indian-continent consultants, 5% others. Indian consultants are mainly from India and Bangladesh.

Actually if you noticed in the 36 pages, it also mentioned the smaller companies. Smaller companies are like VPC, Teliti, Felda Pro-Data, the IA-Group, ABeam, ISS Consulting, and etc.

Where to start or how to get in, Chezzball first page mentioned it (taken from one of my posting).

Sorry long time nvr come in.. Been bz.

I think as for now, quite a number of universities in Malaysia - MDEC, MMU, APIIT, SUNWAY, KBU, HELP and couple more had the MOU with SAP Malaysia on the SAP education (free training).

The free training varied from college as like APIIT was pure SAP Basis and ABAP courses. HELP is SAP overview with mixture of functional and technical.. Other's I'm not so certain.

For college and uni ppl, check with your university..

For those already left uni, I doubt you can register for SAP course at your ex-uni. I tried that before, was rejected cause I'm no longer a student. You need to be student status in the uni database.


As for this, usually bonding is to ensure you do not leave. Certain companies spend RM 30,000++ per staff and could not get back the return because we malaysian are quite money minded. Once we got the training, we leave. So your statement here is quite unfair to the company who willing to spend money for you to train for SAP. They can bring you to court or even not hire you at all if you are not willing to be bonded. (Please read up on your company acts and regulation for HR, most ppl dont read this part and don't bother about it).

Companies that usually do bonds are like:

1. HCL-Axon (i recall if you try to resign, this company is willing to go court.. do you want to risk that. You can be declared bankrupt means you need to pay them back full cash back to them with no installment. Their bond is depends to the type of SAP training you get but usually you will get 2 years bond)
2. Haliburton Oil (3 years + bond)
3. Petronas Malaysia (2 to 7 years bond depending to SAP training and etc.)
4. Exxon-Mobil
5. Formis-ISS Consulting
6. SCOMI Malaysia


So to ensure you don't get the shorter end, you need to nego your bond. Find out all the clauses before signing.

If you are not willing to live with a bond, you should not take the 2nd option that I mentioned in my earlier post. Usually 2nd option will definitely (75%) get bonded.

This post has been edited by Frosty-Snowman: Nov 13 2009, 11:27 AM

This will happen almost 65% of the time especially u join those consulting sap companies (there are few where I not going to name any).

Pretty much, even as senior, don't take things for granted. It will come back and bite back. For those juniors, it will going to be hard lesson. I went thru that scenario b4 in a foreign consulting company with local management. They don't like u, they will make u suffered both at project site and in office until they force u to resign or give them a reason to fire u.

Just want to keep everyone update (especially Malay fresh graduate - not that I'm making race statement here). For those who are intending to do SAP as fresh graduates, FELDA is about to complete their acquisition of a local SAP company soon.

This particular company is doing mainly semi-government projects for SAP. So for those Malay fresh graduates, it would be easier to apply for SAP intern position in this company.

PS: I'm not in this company anymore, just I know people there.

See my reply below

This post has been edited by Frosty-Snowman: Dec 3 2009, 11:06 AM

If you are a Malaysian working with HCL-AXON (MALAYSIA) and going to HCL-AXON (INDIA), you get paid in Ringgit Malaysia. If you are a Malaysian, u applied to HCL-Axon (INDIA), you get paid in their local currency. Can you see the difference there. You get paid based on local office currency.

Most of the time, we as Malaysian never assumed that we must joined companies on local end to goto oversea. That's why, we are not taking the job picture in a bigger view.

Here.. But 25% of time only.

You mean SAP HR - CATS?

Sorry.. Me MM and PS consultant leh.. But hardly do PS for quite a while. Trying to learn up SRM and C-Projects

Actually Chezzball first post already explain it all.

Most of the posting here is written by SAP Consultants who is in the industry here and aboard.

How to be SAP worker - read the first post by Chezzball.

Academic qualification - Actually it all depends to the company that you are sending too.

As Reito mentioned check out www.sap.com or other companies (pls see Chezzball first post).

Is there a new SAP consulting firm in TPM or Cyberjaya?