Dow Jones closed at 13,176.79 Up 66.74 (0.51%)
expecting a mini rebound on KLCI on next Monday
Stock Market In Malaysia V7
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Nov 17 2007, 08:57 AM, updated 19y ago
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A Brand New Start!
Dow Jones closed at 13,176.79 Up 66.74 (0.51%) expecting a mini rebound on KLCI on next Monday |
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Nov 17 2007, 09:06 AM
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Second one enter for V7..
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 17 2007, 08:57 AM) A Brand New Start! Pana, good job to start v7. I also dunno what to do now... i empty my a/c liaw, now i got ZERO stock...Dow Jones closed at 13,176.79 Up 66.74 (0.51%) expecting a mini rebound on KLCI on next Monday i will be spectator for a while.......hehehe |
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Nov 17 2007, 09:16 AM
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got new IPO oo
Aeon Credit Services (M) Bhd |
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Did you guys see today TheStar Biz?
If wanna play CW, CHLIFE-C3 is the darling wor.... Whats your view on that? |
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Nov 17 2007, 10:25 AM
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Synergy to buy 60% of Sarawak Hidro
PETALING JAYA: Sime Darby Bhd says Synergy Drive Bhd has obtained the Government's approval to acquire a 60% stake in Sarawak Hidro Sdn Bhd, owner of the 2,400-megawatt Bakun dam project. "Synergy Drive will proceed to commence negotiations with the Government of Malaysia on the terms of the acquisition,'' the company said in a statement to Bursa Malaysia yesterday. Trading in the shares in Sime Darby, the main contractor for the RM6bil hydro-electric dam project, is currently suspended to facilitate the listing of Synergy Drive on Nov 30. Sime Darby, Golden Hope Plantations Bhd, Kumpulan Guthrie Bhd and their subsidiaries have agreed to combine their businesses under Synergy Drive to create a conglomerate that is estimated to have a market value of more than RM60bil. It would be the biggest company listed on Bursa Malaysia, with five core operations: plantations, property, heavy equipment, motor and power and utilities. "With the letter of intent (LOI), we can start work with all our vendors,'' Synergy Drive chief executive Datuk Seri Ahmad Zubir Murshid said at a press briefing yesterday. He said Synergy Drive, with its healthy balance sheet post-listing, would have the financial muscle to undertake such massive projects. It was reported earlier that Sime Darby had expressed its intention to the Government to take up a key interest in Sarawak Hidro. It also wanted to play a leading role in the proposed undersea power cable project. Analysts said the power and utilities business could emerge as a major contributor to Synergy Drive if it managed to secure both projects. The 700km submarine cable is said to cost RM9bil. The project is likely to be undertaken by a consortium that may include Tenaga Nasional Bhd. The Government, however, has yet to formally decide on the project. Zubir said Synergy Drive hoped to bring electricity generated from Bakun to the peninsula beginning 2013, assuming the Government accepted its proposal. Construction works on the Bakun dam were expected to be completed by 2009, Zubir said, with equipment testing and other works expected to take another year. Sarawak Hidro was set up by the Finance Ministry to take over the Bakun dam project after it was temporarily shelved in 1997 due to the Asian economic crisis. The mega project was revived in 2000. URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...23&sec=business |
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MPHB may offer to take Magnum private
PETALING JAYA: Multi-Purpose Holdings Bhd (MPHB) is believed to be working out an offer to take Magnum Corp Bhd private, analysts said yesterday. MPHB currently owns 55.45% of Magnum. "One reason for MPHB's plan to own 100% of Magnum would be a conviction that it can raise Magnum's profitability after it's been taken private," they said. MPHB has shown such interest in the numbers forecast operator (NFO) through its purchase of additional shares on the open market periodically. Both MPHB and Magnum were suspended from trading at 10.41am yesterday. They will remain suspended till 5pm Wednesday. Shares in MPHB rose 18 sen to RM2.58 while Magnum gained four sen to RM3.08 before the suspension. MPHB said the suspension was pending an announcement relating to "a very substantial corporate exercise involving MPHB and Magnum". The speculated MPHB offer is believed to involve a share swap with a cash option for Magnum shareholders. ECMLibra Avenue Research believes MPHB may undertake another corporate exercise, which might include privatisation, in view of its unsuccessful attempt barely a year ago. The research outfit said the idea of privatisation was not a surprise. The exercise would give MPHB direct access to Magnum's huge cash hoard of about RM786mil (including investments). It added that the cost of privatisation for the rest of shares in Magnum not owned by MPHB worked out to about RM1.98bil. "Taking into account the cash reserve, it takes only RM1.19bil for MPHB to privatise Magnum and the investment could be recovered with its recurring annual free cashflow of RM300mil. "Shareholders could be offered a minimum price of RM3.44 a share if MPHB were to choose the privatisation route in the near term," ECMLibra Avenue said. Analysts pointed out that a second attempt at making an offer or privatisation could only come a year after the first attempt on Nov 23, 2006. "But to ensure that a listed company is taken private successfully, the offer price must be attractive enough for minority shareholders," an analyst said. "The NFO sector is not going to be as exciting as in the past. It's a mature, slow growth industry in this country. We still prefer the casino sector," he said. An analyst at a foreign research house said Magnum was currently evaluating regional possibilities in the numbers forecast sector. "Magnum intends to grow via expansion either domestically or regionally. Some of the country names being thrown around are Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos," he said. He added that the company had been continuously looking to unlock the value of its non-core assets and taking a more proactive approach in terms of capital management. "Magnum is still in a net cash position, estimated at RM300mil as of the third quarter (ended Sept 30)," he said. In a filing with Bursa Malaysia yesterday, MPHB said it posted a net profit of RM47.9mil on revenue of RM806.4mil for the third quarter. For the nine months ended Sept 30, MPHB registered a net profit of RM338.9mil on turnover of RM2.42bil. URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...50&sec=business |
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Nov 17 2007, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Nov 17 2007, 12:00 AM) Not necessary, as Synergy although new, but it is not new IPO, it is a 'product' of merger from old company especially those linked to merger one are all index-linked.KLSE has not done a good job on it to explain when the inclusion of Synergy into the KLCI, it makes futures traders wonder each time and dare not to over commit or short the index. QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 17 2007, 10:25 AM) Synergy to buy 60% of Sarawak Hidro This is not considered a good news for Synergy in the eye of foreign funds. Synergy is formed primary target is to set up a huge plantation company that to lure foreign investors as the largest palm oil plantation company in the world. Initially, there is a talk that Synergy want to concentrate on core plantation business which make it appealing to investors and want to dispose its non-core business but it seems like die-off already with the recent news.PETALING JAYA: Sime Darby Bhd says Synergy Drive Bhd has obtained the Government's approval to acquire a 60% stake in Sarawak Hidro Sdn Bhd, owner of the 2,400-megawatt Bakun dam project. Now, it is taking over the Hydro-dam business which original is gov funded one, it will deviate from its core business of plantationn. The history of Sime bought over the UMBC bank turn into Sime bank history is example which investors particularly foreign funds will worry off. Whatever, Synergy 99% will open significantly up due to CPO price. This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 17 2007, 11:02 AM |
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HAP SENG IPO share holders ... this might be a good news:
Hap Seng makes strong debut on main board KUALA LUMPUR: Hap Seng Plantations Holdings Bhd yesterday made a strong debut on the Bursa Malaysia main board as the year's biggest listing this year in terms of market capitalisation of RM2.45bil. The largest initial public offering (IPO) to date this year opened at RM3.20 and hit a high of RM3.34 before closing at RM3.06 for a 41 sen, or 15.5% premium over its offer price of RM2.65 It was the most active counter with 66.59 million shares traded and the second top gainer for the day. Managing director Edward Lee Ming Foo attributed the share performance to the support and confidence of institutional and retail investors locally and overseas. "Our recent roadshow in the US attracted a lot of interest from institutional investors, such as pension and asset management funds, and 13% of our public issue has foreign ownership," he told reporters after the listing yesterday. He said institutional investors were impressed by Hap Seng's plantation profile because, besides producing the highest yield and the lowest cost compared with other local plantations, more than 95% of its oil palm trees had reached maturity. "This allows the company to capitalise on the high palm oil price now compared with those that had just acquired more land and would have to wait at least seven years for their oil palm to mature," he said. Investors are also attracted to the company's long-term dividend policy, which is to pay 60% of annual profits, resulting in about 5% dividend yield based on yesterday's price. "If you look at current crude palm oil price trends, there is a potential upside to the share price as well," Lee said. Besides trimming its borrowings, Hap Seng will focus on expanding its landbank in Sabah using the listing proceeds. "There are lots of opportunities for growth in Sabah as many plantations there are operating at higher costs and with lower yields compared with Hap Seng. "So we may take over some of them which are not efficiently run," Lee said, adding that Hap Seng would increase its landbank by 50% within two years. He added that it was in talks with several parties on this matter but declined to comment further. URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...02&sec=business |
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Nov 17 2007, 11:05 AM
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Nov 17 2007, 11:27 AM
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Now, it is taking over the Hydro-dam business which original is gov funded one, it will deviate from its core business of plantationn. The history of Sime bought over the UMBC bank turn into Sime bank history is example which investors particularly foreign funds will worry off. Whatever, Synergy 99% will open significantly up due to CPO price. [/quote] Betul, foreign fund fear most in our GLC, bcoz of lack of confidence in them. Beginning of the year, objectives were clearly set, after 1st quarter, plan deviate a bit, 2nd quarter plan deviate more, 3rd quarter, almost deviate most. 4th quarter, forgot what is the initial plan oledi. SynergyD initially target to draw foreign fund into it, selling point is "its the largest plantation in world", now get involved in big hydro dam, later dunno what liaw. Performance wise also not so good for GLC, u can easily compared performacne of GLC bank MBB against Pbbank. Its mercedes against waja. See telekom vs Maxiz or especially DIGI. When foreign fund see Malaysia GLC, they say u go first lah. Look at our Proton, MAS.. is wellknown in the world for failing companies. But guess who buy Proton, MAS shares.... i think its the $ from all forumers here.... |
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Nov 17 2007, 12:27 PM
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@cherroy
what is the reasonable buy for TENAGA? lowest for Nov 07 is RM 8.650 research house gives a "buy" call for TENAGA with the TP of 14 bucks (from November issue The Edge) just wondering when is the right time to go in? This post has been edited by panasonic88: Nov 17 2007, 12:38 PM |
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damn fast ... v7
everyday day red, didnt login and see. just login and saw -310.24 --> sien ar this week .... This post has been edited by ante5k: Nov 17 2007, 01:03 PM |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 17 2007, 10:42 AM) Not necessary, as Synergy although new, but it is not new IPO, it is a 'product' of merger from old company especially those linked to merger one are all index-linked. Yeah-lor. I thought supposed to concentrate on Palm oil plantations only as earlier said. Now want to involve in damns! KLSE has not done a good job on it to explain when the inclusion of Synergy into the KLCI, it makes futures traders wonder each time and dare not to over commit or short the index. This is not considered a good news for Synergy in the eye of foreign funds. Synergy is formed primary target is to set up a huge plantation company that to lure foreign investors as the largest palm oil plantation company in the world. Initially, there is a talk that Synergy want to concentrate on core plantation business which make it appealing to investors and want to dispose its non-core business but it seems like die-off already with the recent news. Now, it is taking over the Hydro-dam business which original is gov funded one, it will deviate from its core business of plantationn. The history of Sime bought over the UMBC bank turn into Sime bank history is example which investors particularly foreign funds will worry off. Whatever, Synergy 99% will open significantly up due to CPO price. Added on November 17, 2007, 1:10 pm QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 17 2007, 10:19 AM) Did you guys see today TheStar Biz? my opinion is Chlife-c3 mother share profit is really good. I queued last wk @0.17, tarak dapat, so I gave up. I worry only the volatility, what if it falls below 0.10 because market is quite bad these days.If wanna play CW, CHLIFE-C3 is the darling wor.... Whats your view on that? This post has been edited by sharesa: Nov 17 2007, 01:10 PM |
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 17 2007, 12:27 PM) @cherroy Im also interested in Tenaga.what is the reasonable buy for TENAGA? lowest for Nov 07 is RM 8.650 research house gives a "buy" call for TENAGA with the TP of 14 bucks (from November issue The Edge) just wondering when is the right time to go in? I think once new tariff kicks off, it would jump RM1-2. The problem lies within our fark up government. The longer they held back GE, the longer Tenaga gotta wait. I think at least 3-6months before the new tariff comes out... |
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Nov 17 2007, 02:00 PM
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May i ask is investing in IPO safe? May i know how do i purchase unit trust?
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Nov 17 2007, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 17 2007, 12:27 PM) @cherroy TNB lastest Q result only 3.89 cents, fully year earning is 95 cents, dividend 36.3cents, NTA 5.54.what is the reasonable buy for TENAGA? lowest for Nov 07 is RM 8.650 research house gives a "buy" call for TENAGA with the TP of 14 bucks (from November issue The Edge) just wondering when is the right time to go in? Until the natural gas issue being solved, it is difficult to make a call on it, as it is totally unknown what price will Petronas wish to impose on TNB, also it involved political issue as well. I don't think it is a fair call of TP Rm14. At 95 cents earning, it is 14.7x PE which is fair only but remember future profit will go lower, even its CEO also echo on it as he said it is 'challenging' just to repeat last finanical earning result alone. Also 95 cents is not the real earning, some are come from forex gain from foreign currency debt (particularly against USD), operating income is below that. So if natural gas price reset at market price, then be prepared to have signficant lower number of earning ahead, also others fuel price are significant higher than previous year so don't think future result will be as good as tariff won't be allowed to increase before election, public known secret. Stock market is about future potential earning, not past performance. Past performance result only good to look at it for consistently earning performance but not a good guide for future performance. Having said so, one still needs to look at past performance to see how well the company cope with different situation and economy environment. Personally would start to interest on it if it falls below Rm8.50, (may take 1 lot first, then add on with 25 cents downwards each time) technical point of view, Rm8.40-8.60 has some strong support level but once broke with high volume then be prepared more downside, (purely on technical side). Best still if it is Rm7.50 means around 5% gross yield on it, NTA of 5.54 should be the major support, may be some say I am crazy on this level, nvm, but, just myself like to prepare for the worst each time. Whatever, the natural gas issue also IPP contractual needed to sort out as quick as possible otherwise, its share won't have any significant upwards potential. Now, even with excess electricity power, still TNB needs to buy all the power produced by the IPP even it is excess, and pay cash to IPP. Buying IPP stocks are much better than TNB if one is really to invest in energy producers sector. But it doesn't mean my view is surely correct, buy on your own risk and judgement. I take it as trading buy for short-mid term, not long term. Once achieve some 'ok' gain, surely 'cabut' one. PS: always prepare to change view and assess the market situation, if US economy does fall into recession (although now not yet show sign of it),the whole equation for the market will change significantly Added on November 17, 2007, 5:57 pm QUOTE(nightzstar @ Nov 17 2007, 02:00 PM) Stocks IPO is not considered investment, it is more like 'lottery'.But avoid IPO at market bearish time, as there are plenty of IPO stocks open below its IPO price particularly during after financial crisis 1998 and mini-bear durint 2001-2002. Purchase UT? Go to banker or mutual funds house, as simple as that. If you are really interest in UT, give a statement out said I want to purchase UT, then surely you will receive plenty of PM or calls and queueing to serve you. This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 17 2007, 06:08 PM |
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That meant IPO is like playing 4d?
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Nov 17 2007, 09:36 PM
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any news on the google-c1?
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Nov 17 2007, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Nov 17 2007, 06:27 PM) That meant IPO is like playing 4d? there are several thread talking about mutual fund investment(unit trust)http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/367939 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/437686 |
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Nov 17 2007, 10:48 PM
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@cherroy
thanks for the feedback on TENAGA |
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Nov 17 2007, 11:48 PM
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wat website to see realtime share results? Other than myshareonline.com
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Nov 18 2007, 12:02 AM
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Geez was one day away and we are on V7. Congrates...!!
Lets makes this most profitable thread in LYN... yay After 1 week of trading really cant wait for next week to see action again... but KLCI sure abit 'lembik' Added on November 18, 2007, 12:03 amI'm gathering some $$ to get AEON Credit IPO... hopefully this round will get it. Do you guys think, apply fast will have higher chances? or it is equivalent to those apply last minutes? This post has been edited by JimJimKC: Nov 18 2007, 12:03 AM |
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QUOTE(Sh@rty 5 @ Nov 17 2007, 11:48 PM) you can try klsebursamalaysia.blogspot.comQUOTE(JimJimKC @ Nov 18 2007, 12:02 AM) Geez was one day away and we are on V7. Congrates...!! volume & luck, i'd say Lets makes this most profitable thread in LYN... yay After 1 week of trading really cant wait for next week to see action again... but KLCI sure abit 'lembik' Added on November 18, 2007, 12:03 amI'm gathering some $$ to get AEON Credit IPO... hopefully this round will get it. Do you guys think, apply fast will have higher chances? or it is equivalent to those apply last minutes? |
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QUOTE(JimJimKC @ Nov 18 2007, 12:02 AM) Geez was one day away and we are on V7. Congrates...!! they will choose randomLets makes this most profitable thread in LYN... yay After 1 week of trading really cant wait for next week to see action again... but KLCI sure abit 'lembik' Added on November 18, 2007, 12:03 amI'm gathering some $$ to get AEON Credit IPO... hopefully this round will get it. Do you guys think, apply fast will have higher chances? or it is equivalent to those apply last minutes? if got it sure u but if market is bad during listing u will |
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Nov 18 2007, 03:10 PM
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monday will betaing profit in the momnring...u may see red in the afternoon time or weak positive. from my own point of view DJ has too many bad news and yet to stable. i would expected something bad happend next year
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Nov 18 2007, 10:16 PM
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i read the star published new CW
misc offers 0.25 conversion 4cw = 1 misc conversion price -=RM10 Misc close price 9.70 i familiar wif local company so i pick misc..imagine those invested farfar away like Hk..cw mostly attract retails player fighting wif big sharks...u c who win lo |
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MISC one of the stock that I was most interested in.
Its a very steady share without much movement, a bit like PBB. Up/Down slowly without much volume. One thing that I find it strange is the RM10 barrier. I follow it from RM7++ but found that the selling pressure is high when its reaching RM10 or breaching it. |
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Nov 19 2007, 07:57 AM
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In for V7.
Hope for the best from market today, need to sell some stuff... |
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QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 18 2007, 11:19 PM) MISC one of the stock that I was most interested in. spent some small fortune of time to read theedge's sundayIts a very steady share without much movement, a bit like PBB. Up/Down slowly without much volume. One thing that I find it strange is the RM10 barrier. I follow it from RM7++ but found that the selling pressure is high when its reaching RM10 or breaching it. tanker oversupply situation looks bad |
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Nov 19 2007, 09:10 AM
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hopefully my RAMUNIA and EDEN qiong today hehehe
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Nov 19 2007, 09:15 AM
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y IOICORP not shoot up while klk and bkawan shooting up..
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Nov 19 2007, 09:28 AM
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TIMWELL-Wa is the hero of the month !!! if u got 1,000,000 units...will be smiling til end of the year
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Nov 19 2007, 09:29 AM
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Nov 19 2007, 09:31 AM
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@kapitan
GENTING financial report will be out within this week heard that you bought GENTING on last week perhaps you would want to take up & hold |
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Nov 19 2007, 09:33 AM
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panasonic88 > since when did you get promoted to become staff?
walao eh ... This post has been edited by ante5k: Nov 19 2007, 09:42 AM |
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how the cost overrun in sentosa being treated in account?
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Nov 19 2007, 09:39 AM
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who guys got bought the tips stock code 0003 ?
today up lo. heheh top 1 hits |
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Nov 19 2007, 09:47 AM
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ioicorp is amazing counter. have to keep it.....
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Nov 19 2007, 09:49 AM
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goreng goreng
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wow google c-1 looks very tempting....
they gonna enter mobile advertising soon... revenues sure bloat.. how do u calculate the conversion for the google-c1? have to kira if wanna estimate when if a gud buy... |
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Nov 19 2007, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 19 2007, 10:11 AM) cpo may go thru a correction leh, later only buy ioi lor |
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ya...wat goes up...must go down later.....careful.....
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Nov 19 2007, 10:47 AM
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so is wat goes down must come up....only for selected cases ! hahahaha
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Nov 19 2007, 10:52 AM
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ya correct...hahahaha
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Nov 19 2007, 10:59 AM
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our KLCI also rebound
from -ve to +ve |
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Nov 19 2007, 10:59 AM
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What do you think will be the effect of this? If OPEC sells the currency US dollar might further drop and oil prices might increase.
OPEC Interested in Non-Dollar Currency Sunday November 18, 6:46 pm ET By Sebastian Abbot, Associated Press Writer Ahmadinejad: OPEC Members Interested in Converting Cash Reserves Into Non-Dollar Currency RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Sunday that OPEC's members have expressed interest in converting their cash reserves into a currency other than the depreciating U.S. dollar, which he called a "worthless piece of paper." ADVERTISEMENT His comments at the end of a rare summit of OPEC heads of state exposed fissures within the 13-member cartel -- especially after U.S. ally Saudi Arabia was reluctant to mention concerns about the falling dollar in the summit's final declaration. The hardline Iranian leader's comments also highlighted the growing challenge that Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil producer, faces from Iran and its ally Venezuela within the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries. "They get our oil and give us a worthless piece of paper," Ahmadinejad told reporters after the close of the summit in the Saudi capital of Riyadh. He blamed U.S. President George W. Bush's policies for the decline of the dollar and its negative effect on other countries. Oil is priced in U.S. dollars on the world market, and the currency's depreciation has concerned oil producers because it has contributed to rising crude prices and has eroded the value of their dollar reserves. "All participating leaders showed an interest in changing their hard currency reserves to a credible hard currency," Ahmadinejad said. "Some said producing countries should designate a single hard currency aside from the U.S. dollar ... to form the basis of our oil trade." Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez echoed this sentiment Sunday on the sidelines of the summit, saying "the empire of the dollar has to end." "Don't you see how the dollar has been in free-fall without a parachute?" Chavez said, calling the euro a better option. Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah had tried to direct the focus of the summit toward studying the effect of the oil industry on the environment, but he continuously faced challenges from Ahmadinejad and Chavez. Iran and Venezuela have proposed trading oil in a basket of currencies to replace the historic link to the dollar, but they had not been able to generate support from enough fellow OPEC members -- many of whom, including Saudi Arabia, are staunch U.S. allies. Both Iran and Venezuela have antagonistic relationships with the U.S., suggesting their proposals may have a political motivation as well. While Tehran has been in a standoff with Washington over its nuclear program, left-wing Chavez is a bitter antagonist of Bush. U.S. sanctions on Iran also have made it increasingly difficult for the country to do business in dollars. During Chavez's opening address to the summit on Saturday, the Venezuelan leader said OPEC should "assert itself as an active political agent." But Abdullah appeared to distance himself from Chavez's comments, saying OPEC always acted moderately and wisely. A day earlier, Saudi Arabia opposed a move by Iran on Friday to have OPEC include concerns over the falling dollar included in the summit's closing statement after the weekend meeting. Saudi Arabia's foreign minister even warned that even talking publicly about the currency's decline could further hurt its value. But by Sunday, it appeared that Saudi Arabia had compromised. Though the final declaration delivered Sunday did not specifically mention concern over the weak dollar, the organization directed its finance ministers to study the issue. OPEC will "study ways and means of enhancing financial cooperation among OPEC ... including proposals by some of the heads of state and governments in their statements to the summit," OPEC Secretary General Abdalla Salem el-Badri said, reading the statement. Iran's oil minister went a step further and said OPEC will form a committee to study the dollar's affect on oil prices and investigate the possibility of a currency basket. "We have agreed to set up a committee consisting of oil and finance ministers from OPEC countries to study the impact of the dollar on oil prices," Gholam Hussein Nozari told Dow Jones Newswires. Iraqi Oil Minister Hussein al-Shahristani said the committee would "submit to OPEC its recommendation on a basket of currencies that OPEC members will deal with." He did not give a timeline for the recommendation. The meeting in Riyadh, with heads of states and delegates from 13 of the world's biggest oil-producing nations, was the third full OPEC summit since the organization was created in 1960. Abdullah tried to take the focus off the dollar debate, announcing the donation of $300 million to set up a program to study the effect of the oil industry on the environment. Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates also agreed to donate $150 million each to the fund, Prince Saud Al-Faisal, Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, said Sunday. The run-up to the meeting was dominated by speculation over whether OPEC would raise production following recent oil price increases that have approached $100. But cartel officials have resisted pressure to increase oil production and said they will hold off any decision until the group meets next month in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates. They have also cast doubt on the effect any output hike would have on oil prices, saying the recent rise has been driven by the falling dollar and financial speculation by investment funds rather than any supply shortage. During his final remarks, el-Badri stressed he was committed to supply -- but did not mention changing oil outputs. "We affirm our commitment ... to continue providing adequate, timely, efficient, economic and reliable petroleum supplies to the world market," he said. |
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Nov 19 2007, 11:14 AM
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I got some advice from a remiser regarding 2 good counters that worth to buy,
1. hwgb (9601) 2. marco (3514) What do u guys think ? any comment ? Thanks |
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Nov 19 2007, 11:20 AM
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do you guys notice,
even thought KLCI is up +5 points, the loser will almost always out number the gainers!!! |
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Nov 19 2007, 11:24 AM
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Nov 19 2007, 11:25 AM
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My updates for the application for new China warrants from OSK.
Successful: Petroch-C5 - 6,600 shares Sinopec-C2 - 5,400 shares Tentative listing date will be on 28th November 2007. I think all those who has applied will be offerred the same no. of shares. Any updates from you guys? Added on November 19, 2007, 11:27 amWhat is that "Post Count problem? Click me" thingy under my avatar for? Doesn't seem to go off. This post has been edited by Ninjitsu: Nov 19 2007, 11:27 AM |
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Nov 19 2007, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(Ninjitsu @ Nov 19 2007, 11:25 AM) My updates for the application for new China warrants from OSK. congraz, if listing day market is very positive, then you'll make moneySuccessful: Petroch-C5 - 6,600 shares Sinopec-C2 - 5,400 shares Tentative listing date will be on 28th November 2007. I think all those who has applied will be offerred the same no. of shares. Any updates from you guys? Added on November 19, 2007, 11:27 amWhat is that "Post Count problem? Click me" thingy under my avatar for? Doesn't seem to go off. |
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Nov 19 2007, 11:33 AM
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Good performance for Sapcres today! Haha.....
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Nov 19 2007, 11:37 AM
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Nov 19 2007, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(Ninjitsu @ Nov 19 2007, 11:25 AM) My updates for the application for new China warrants from OSK. congratz, two cw also bingo Successful: Petroch-C5 - 6,600 shares Sinopec-C2 - 5,400 shares Tentative listing date will be on 28th November 2007. I think all those who has applied will be offerred the same no. of shares. Any updates from you guys? Added on November 19, 2007, 11:27 amWhat is that "Post Count problem? Click me" thingy under my avatar for? Doesn't seem to go off. the "Post Count problem? Click me" is just a guideline for newbies about which & where imposed post count. maybe you would want to read this for more info http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/556538 |
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Nov 19 2007, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(a6meister @ Nov 19 2007, 11:14 AM) I got some advice from a remiser regarding 2 good counters that worth to buy, The last report by S&P on marco was a strong sell1. hwgb (9601) 2. marco (3514) What do u guys think ? any comment ? Thanks but it's warrant is a good betting tool at very cheap price and long maturity date, give me quite some profit in few turns now my bet is on glosoft-wa |
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Nov 19 2007, 11:41 AM
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Nov 19 2007, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 11:40 AM) congratz, two cw also bingo Hey Pana, thanks.the "Post Count problem? Click me" is just a guideline for newbies about which & where imposed post count. maybe you would want to read this for more info http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/556538 According to my remisier, all those who applied were given the same number of shares. Dunno whether dats correct or not. |
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Nov 19 2007, 12:02 PM
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What does treasury shares mean?
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Nov 19 2007, 12:03 PM
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november really not a good month
market stays red since early november, till now, sigh |
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Nov 19 2007, 12:08 PM
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total outflow of fund greater than inlow by 3 times according to theedge....
selling pressure frm maybank (30m outflow), tnb, genting , sp setia |
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Nov 19 2007, 12:14 PM
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HSI down 0.72%
Shanghai down 1.17% Nikkei up 0.3% Straits Times down 0.09% Weak regional markets. This post has been edited by Ninjitsu: Nov 19 2007, 12:18 PM |
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Nov 19 2007, 12:21 PM
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My queue for selling Genting @ 8.00 goes through...
Recover 20% of my losses last week... |
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Nov 19 2007, 12:21 PM
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Any idea when Magnum and MPHB's gonna be re-listed?
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Nov 19 2007, 12:23 PM
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Nov 19 2007, 12:25 PM
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Waiting for Parliament to dissolve and election called. Then might see some upward movement.
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Nov 19 2007, 12:26 PM
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Nov 19 2007, 12:27 PM
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Nov 19 2007, 12:28 PM
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add on :
22nd november, U.S market close for 1 day (public holiday) |
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QUOTE(Ninjitsu @ Nov 19 2007, 12:25 PM) If more and more bad news coming out, I think even GE will not help the KLCIAdded on November 19, 2007, 12:29 pmThis Gamuda and Sapcres really sucks. Make me in breakeven point only. Guess I really have no luck in T+3. This post has been edited by jasontoh: Nov 19 2007, 12:29 PM |
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Nov 19 2007, 12:31 PM
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What bad news?
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Nov 19 2007, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 19 2007, 12:28 PM) If more and more bad news coming out, I think even GE will not help the KLCI same here, no luck for T+3 eitherAdded on November 19, 2007, 12:29 pmThis Gamuda and Sapcres really sucks. Make me in breakeven point only. Guess I really have no luck in T+3. nowadays not good for playing contra red day more than green day, how to play |
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 19 2007, 12:28 PM) If more and more bad news coming out, I think even GE will not help the KLCI gamuda make lose $$$$$$$. dunno wat happen to gamuda. damnAdded on November 19, 2007, 12:29 pmThis Gamuda and Sapcres really sucks. Make me in breakeven point only. Guess I really have no luck in T+3. |
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[quote=jasontoh,Nov 19 2007, 12:28 PM]
If more and more bad news coming out, I think even GE will not help the KLCI Don't you think the gomen will jack up gomen-related counters and key index counters before the GE? |
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 12:32 PM) same here, no luck for T+3 either I thought I made some wise decision to buy Gamuda (on the last day red, before Dow surges 300++ pts), and Sapcres (the last minute before the announcement made), but both really give me headache as both did not advance as much as I thought, and suddenly move the opposite way nowadays not good for playing contra red day more than green day, how to play QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 19 2007, 12:28 PM) If more and more bad news coming out, I think even GE will not help the KLCI I think they will, but if the bad news are severe, then panic selling will cause the counters to go down as wellDon't you think the gomen will jack up gomen-related counters and key index counters before the GE? QUOTE(jojoe @ Nov 19 2007, 12:36 PM) You sure gamuda making loss?? Where you read the news? I thought they are making profit??This post has been edited by panasonic88: Nov 19 2007, 12:54 PM |
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Nov 19 2007, 12:55 PM
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yo jasontoh, your quoting format all "run" liao, lol
anyway, i editted |
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Nov 19 2007, 12:56 PM
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now you guys reminded me
i think last night i made a dream, that SAPCRES shoot up to 2.4x |
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Nov 19 2007, 01:39 PM
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My fren in HK just told me, for those in HK who bought heavily when HSI is at 30K points, they will have to hold their shares dunno till when, bcoz HSI maynot reach 30K points in near term.
I was thinking... now KLCI is at around 1400, if it comes down like HSI, also quite jialat one. USA credit issue and bad news kept surface up, HSI and China also shake shake, Malaysia fundamental stock is heavily dependent on foreign fund one. This situation maybe like 'boiling frog', it go down slooowly, and no body actually feels it, slooowly red a bit, but over 6 months time, only can see the market is long term in decline trend. This is the worst case for retail investor like us. Think also a bit takut leh. U guys have same feel or not? |
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Nov 19 2007, 01:41 PM
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i read through the latest edition The Edge during lunch break
one of the interesting thing that caught my attention is MAHSING analyst gives a "Strong Buy" tag for MAHSING, with a 12-months target price of RM 2.61 (do read up more on it in Pg 50) |
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 12:56 PM) If shoot to 2.4x then good la Added on November 19, 2007, 1:43 pm QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 01:41 PM) i read through the latest edition The Edge during lunch break Is it? This one I've been holding for quite some time. If reach the TP, then one of the interesting thing that caught my attention is MAHSING analyst gives a "Strong Buy" tag for MAHSING, with a 12-months target price of RM 2.61 (do read up more on it in Pg 50) This post has been edited by jasontoh: Nov 19 2007, 01:43 PM |
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Nov 19 2007, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Nov 19 2007, 01:39 PM) My fren in HK just told me, for those in HK who bought heavily when HSI is at 30K points, they will have to hold their shares dunno till when, bcoz HSI maynot reach 30K points in near term. hmmm, i read that the hk share tycoons are expecting HSI to be at 33,000 levels in 2 to 3 months time (around CNY 08) I was thinking... now KLCI is at around 1400, if it comes down like HSI, also quite jialat one. USA credit issue and bad news kept surface up, HSI and China also shake shake, Malaysia fundamental stock is heavily dependent on foreign fund one. This situation maybe like 'boiling frog', it go down slooowly, and no body actually feels it, slooowly red a bit, but over 6 months time, only can see the market is long term in decline trend. This is the worst case for retail investor like us. Think also a bit takut leh. U guys have same feel or not? |
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Nov 19 2007, 01:46 PM
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Nov 19 2007, 01:54 PM
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sorry to hear for those who grab SAPCRES...but i think it will run again just dono when...but if you do have the cash pick it up...good running counter...
i am stuck too with some low runner counters |
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Nov 19 2007, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE(c0c0nut @ Nov 19 2007, 01:54 PM) sorry to hear for those who grab SAPCRES...but i think it will run again just dono when...but if you do have the cash pick it up...good running counter... Actually I think it's a good counter. Just that if it can go up to my TP within time, then I don't need to hold it. Now holding seems to be the choice. After my salary out, will shop for more counter. Waiting for the market to rebound i am stuck too with some low runner counters |
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i think for our market to be good...we need DJ up about 100-120 points....less den that just a small kick early morning nia
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QUOTE(c0c0nut @ Nov 19 2007, 02:01 PM) i think for our market to be good...we need DJ up about 100-120 points....less den that just a small kick early morning nia The other day DJ advance 300++ pts, KLCI not moving much also. Only go up for 3 minutes, then move sideways and finally move opposite direction before last minute jump to close at "ngam ngam" green zone |
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Nov 19 2007, 02:05 PM
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must see also if that day force selling or not...nothing much can do if DJ super good den in KLSE its froce selling...you know la...alot of people play contra ma...now days i buy and sell also need to check for force selling...
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 12:56 PM) now you guys reminded me Hope your dream comes true. i think last night i made a dream, that SAPCRES shoot up to 2.4x hmmm, i read that the hk share tycoons are expecting HSI to be at 33,000 levels in 2 to 3 months time (around CNY 08) Sapcres will have plenty of dilution if its warrant being converted to its mothershare, the number of warrant is huge about 250mil. Sapcres got 1.14 bil share issued plus its warrant if converted, its total outstanding share would be near 1.4 bil, this kind of stock normally need some high volume to push up the share price. I though before the recent HSI plunge, it nearly hit 32K already (just shy a few points) mah This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 19 2007, 02:16 PM |
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 19 2007, 12:37 PM) I thought I made some wise decision to buy Gamuda (on the last day red, before Dow surges 300++ pts), and Sapcres (the last minute before the announcement made), but both really give me headache as both did not advance as much as I thought, and suddenly move the opposite way i mean gamuda make me lose money!!!I think they will, but if the bad news are severe, then panic selling will cause the counters to go down as well You sure gamuda making loss?? Where you read the news? I thought they are making profit?? |
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QUOTE(jojoe @ Nov 19 2007, 02:14 PM) Don't worry. I'm sure it will bounce back some other dayAdded on November 19, 2007, 2:21 pm QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 19 2007, 02:13 PM) Hope your dream comes true. Cherroy, Sapcres will have plenty of dilution if its warrant being converted to its mothershare, the number of warrant is huge about 250mil. Sapcres got 1.14 bil share issued plus its warrant if converted, its total outstanding share would be near 1.4 bil, this kind of stock normally need some high volume to push up the share price. I though before the recent HSI plunge, it nearly hit 32K already (just shy a few points) mah I have question regarding warrants. Will warrants have effect on mother share? Let say the warrants expire today, will the mother share go up/down? Which is the usual case? This post has been edited by jasontoh: Nov 19 2007, 02:21 PM |
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 19 2007, 02:18 PM) Cherroy, Yes, warrant (not call-warrant) does and can affect its mothershare. Imagine all the warrant being converted to the mothershares, then the number of shares increases then you increase the 'supply' in the market. So it depends how many warrants is there or the willingness of conversion.I have question regarding warrants. Will warrants have effect on mother share? Let say the warrants expire today, will the mother share go up/down? Which is the usual case? Ordinary warrant doesn't need until expiry date to be converted, it can be converted anytime, but it depends the rules set up when the warrant being issued, can vary from each others. Normally they will set warrant can be converted after 1 year of issueing until its expiry time, normally 5 years. This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 19 2007, 02:27 PM |
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QUOTE(c0c0nut @ Nov 19 2007, 02:07 PM) must see also if that day force selling or not...nothing much can do if DJ super good den in KLSE its froce selling...you know la...alot of people play contra ma...now days i buy and sell also need to check for force selling... what do i have ahh, manyak oh Added on November 19, 2007, 2:08 pm mind showing us wat you have ? hehehehe QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 19 2007, 02:13 PM) Hope your dream comes true. ohh thanks for the input, i didnt know that SAPCRES warrant QTY is more than its mother shares Sapcres will have plenty of dilution if its warrant being converted to its mothershare, the number of warrant is huge about 250mil. Sapcres got 1.14 bil share issued plus its warrant if converted, its total outstanding share would be near 1.4 bil, this kind of stock normally need some high volume to push up the share price. I though before the recent HSI plunge, it nearly hit 32K already (just shy a few points) mah haha regarding the HSI, the 33k benchmark was set after the plunging of HSI to 27k |
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Nov 19 2007, 02:31 PM
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more cw is coming out soon, scary nia
NEW CALL WARRANTS BY CIMB: CIMBis offering 4 new Call Warrants ("CW") tomorrow, 14 November 2007 on Bursa Malaysia Berhad ("Bursa CW") (62 sen per CW), Telekom Malaysia Berhad ("TM CW") (28 sen per CW), China Communications Constructions Company Limited ("CCCC CW") (45 sen per CW) and Toyota Motor Corporation ("Toyota CW") (46 sen per CW). Investors are advised to submit the subscription orders to their dealers/remisiers as soon as possible. For more details on: 1. BURSA-CW 2. TM-CW 3. CCCC-CW 4. TOYOTA-CW |
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 02:29 PM) what do i have ahh, manyak oh Warrant is about 25% of its mothershareohh thanks for the input, i didnt know that SAPCRES warrant QTY is more than its mother shares 1.14 billion mothershares 250 million warrants Just come across a news that Persian Gulf states said they will consider changing their fixed exchange rates which orginated peg with USD will send USD plunging again after Europe and US market open. When USD plunging, US market doesn't actually like it. |
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everyday my hk w RED RED RED 1 sien
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 02:31 PM) more cw is coming out soon, scary nia I think KLSE is 'crazy' about the CW, if this trend continue, we will be become a 'gambling' bourse.NEW CALL WARRANTS BY CIMB: CIMBis offering 4 new Call Warrants ("CW") tomorrow, 14 November 2007 on Bursa Malaysia Berhad ("Bursa CW") (62 sen per CW), Telekom Malaysia Berhad ("TM CW") (28 sen per CW), China Communications Constructions Company Limited ("CCCC CW") (45 sen per CW) and Toyota Motor Corporation ("Toyota CW") (46 sen per CW). Investors are advised to submit the subscription orders to their dealers/remisiers as soon as possible. For more details on: 1. BURSA-CW 2. TM-CW 3. CCCC-CW 4. TOYOTA-CW It (CW) now become a money printing machine for those investment house and KLSE |
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 02:29 PM) what do i have ahh, manyak oh So rich? Or just penny stock? |
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Hmmm how come Ministry of finance dumping Maybulk shares?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 19 2007, 02:37 PM) I think KLSE is 'crazy' about the CW, if this trend continue, we will be become a 'gambling' bourse. well...it stock market its crowd mentality too....so if u cant beat them...might as well join the wave! It (CW) now become a money printing machine for those investment house and KLSE hmm.. the telekom TM-CW might be gud no? |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 19 2007, 02:37 PM) I think KLSE is 'crazy' about the CW, if this trend continue, we will be become a 'gambling' bourse. i agree It (CW) now become a money printing machine for those investment house and KLSE QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Nov 19 2007, 02:40 PM) maybe he sense thunderstorm is coming |
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Very strange hor, commerz announce its financial result, so good result, but price doesnt move one, how come ??
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Nov 19 2007, 02:57 PM
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DJ Futures : -18.00
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Nov 19 2007, 02:57 PM) Very strange hor, commerz announce its financial result, so good result, but price doesnt move one, how come ?? Thought we had discussed it before in V6, check it out.Cheroy, any idea kah? QUOTE well...it stock market its crowd mentality too....so if u cant beat them...might as well join the wave! It is not about crown mentality, it is about the health of stock market. The overly issued of CW will mean investment house and KLSE are tapping public money into their 'pocket'. If they issue CW according to market price, then fair enough but it is usually being issued more than 20% premium over the market, then who will be the ultimate winner? |
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HK CW pls chiong
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FTSE 6291.20 6359.60 -68.40 -1.1%
Nikkei 15042.56 15154.61 -112.05 -0.7% KOSPI 1893.47 1926.20 -32.73 -1.7% KLCI 1383.38 1386.64 -3.26 -0.2% HSI 27596.51 27614.43 -17.92 -0.1% TWSE 8680.71 8764.82 -84.11 -1.0% STI 3423.54 3440.96 -17.42 -0.5% SET 838.27 849.07 -10.80 -1.3% SHCOMP 5269.82 5316.27 -46.46 -0.9% JCI 2666.83 2668.70 -1.88 -0.1% Whole river red. Even the futures also ALL RED, jia lat..... |
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Nov 19 2007, 04:24 PM) FTSE 6291.20 6359.60 -68.40 -1.1% ya loh, everyday eat CHILI, my mouth also sakit....................Nikkei 15042.56 15154.61 -112.05 -0.7% KOSPI 1893.47 1926.20 -32.73 -1.7% KLCI 1383.38 1386.64 -3.26 -0.2% HSI 27596.51 27614.43 -17.92 -0.1% TWSE 8680.71 8764.82 -84.11 -1.0% STI 3423.54 3440.96 -17.42 -0.5% SET 838.27 849.07 -10.80 -1.3% SHCOMP 5269.82 5316.27 -46.46 -0.9% JCI 2666.83 2668.70 -1.88 -0.1% Whole river red. Even the futures also ALL RED, jia lat..... |
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QUOTE(andy888 @ Nov 19 2007, 03:28 PM) Seeems like there is no motivation for the market lah, any exciting or good news for our market in short term ???Added on November 19, 2007, 3:46 pm QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 19 2007, 03:43 PM) Morning Asia down, at night USA down, and it repeats in a cycle. this is called Vicious cycle.This post has been edited by chinkw1: Nov 19 2007, 03:46 PM |
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don put all your money in shares lo...go get some saving plan form insurance firm...that one you get capital and % money back guranteed...
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 19 2007, 02:37 PM) I think KLSE is 'crazy' about the CW, if this trend continue, we will be become a 'gambling' bourse. lol..we are nothing if compared to other bourse volume on cw/optionsIt (CW) now become a money printing machine for those investment house and KLSE CW is actually one form of options, if you have noticed, the world most traded options is the Kospi-200 options in KRX and one of the success factor is that it's so cheap that the housewife there buy it like lottery |
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Nov 19 2007, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(dEviLs @ Nov 19 2007, 03:55 PM) lol..we are nothing if compared to other bourse volume on cw/options lol, the winning percentage is way higher than hitting a lottery jackpot, too CW is actually one form of options, if you have noticed, the world most traded options is the Kospi-200 options in KRX and one of the success factor is that it's so cheap that the housewife there buy it like lottery |
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What's wrong with our market?
I wanna cry liao sapcress and scomi not moving |
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this is the worst month for me this year because there's no bounce-back!
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Nov 19 2007, 04:20 PM
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ghosh, once upon superstar share, the RANHILL
used to be at its peak (when they announced they found oil in indonesia) at 3.6x, now fall till 2.4x only! if got money, can consider to pick up |
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Nov 19 2007, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 04:20 PM) ghosh, once upon superstar share, the RANHILL wah! Ranhill 2.3+, unbelievable, but maybe will get skinned again if buy now.used to be at its peak (when they announced they found oil in indonesia) at 3.6x, now fall till 2.4x only! if got money, can consider to pick up |
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Nov 19 2007, 04:25 PM
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tomolo will not be good as well.
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QUOTE(andy888 @ Nov 19 2007, 04:24 PM) QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Nov 19 2007, 04:26 PM) when short sell, you need to pay for it losses help u wat? for gains: it will credited into your CDS account.. damn, this is most worst month for me. been loss for 5K++ for playing this darn HK warrs. yes, as per stated by dreams_achiever, short sell + pay whatever you owe your remisier ehh i tot your T+3 due on last friday!? |
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QUOTE(andy888 @ Nov 19 2007, 04:24 PM) You can, but the amount of loss will be deducted from your CDS account. Anyhow, once reach the T+3 period, you need to pickup or else as pana said, remiser will short-sell it. It's the same case lo. If your CDS dun have that much money to pay for it, jialat.... |
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Nov 19 2007, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(verbatim @ Nov 19 2007, 04:27 PM) i learned this phrase this morning from KLSE glossary QUOTE Short Selling - The action of a person selling shares which he does not own at the time of selling. |
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Nov 19 2007, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(gtghost @ Nov 19 2007, 04:29 PM) You can, but the amount of loss will be deducted from your CDS account. Anyhow, once reach the T+3 period, you need to pickup or else as pana said, remiser will short-sell it. It's the same case lo. If your CDS dun have that much money to pay for it, jialat.... no need to jialat, bank in / transfer money to your investment bank only(provided you have the money) This post has been edited by panasonic88: Nov 19 2007, 04:33 PM |
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A simple advice for those investors out there:
Tonight DJ taiko wont perform well. Expected will ended in RED Tonight, house sales report will out tonight. Heard it will be 14 years lowest index. So, better be careful tonight. Stay and see market how well it perform first. |
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hmm...should i sell all my shares before it announce?
I will only lose 950 ringgit if i sell all |
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Nov 19 2007, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE(andy888 @ Nov 19 2007, 04:34 PM) paid rm 7000 alreadylast friday......now still have rm 3500.00 due today wah, so kaw i think need to sell at loss lio to contra this t+3 rm 3500 payment why dun wan to take up the 3.5k stocks? QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Nov 19 2007, 04:36 PM) A simple advice for those investors out there: man you scare me! Tonight DJ taiko wont perform well. Expected will ended in RED Tonight, house sales report will out tonight. Heard it will be 14 years lowest index. So, better be careful tonight. Stay and see market how well it perform first. |
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Nov 19 2007, 04:30 PM) I think tommorrow would be the time to pick up if market is good, but it appears there will be a slight correction again. |
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maybe u can put it this way....short selling is when ur time is up and ur remiser have to sell for you
force selling more like when reach t3 the volume of selling is high because alot of purchasing was done...so when a stock is consider force selling is because 3 days ago the buying volume is very high...so a high selling volume is expected.... correct me if i am wrong...this is me understanding |
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tips cresbld going 2.00 next month
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 04:30 PM) then our friend's case is definitely not short sell case..it is forced selling which means he has to sell cos he couldnt pick up using cash to own the shares.. short sell is when u play sell first, then buy back at lower price to make profit... contra game la... |
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pana, no joke man..
this early morning saw this post http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...K7rA&refer=news me oso frighten when saw it. so today sell as much as i can. Dun dare to open monitor to see market tomolo.. |
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prediction: tonight will be green DJ and tomorrow you will have a misture of red and green....but more green
Added on November 19, 2007, 4:46 pmmy brooker said punya la... This post has been edited by c0c0nut: Nov 19 2007, 04:46 PM |
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short selling is selling shares that you do not own but you have to buy back later. This action is good for a bear market which mean you sell at a higher price first & buy back when share price goes down later. You gain from the difference. This is different from force selling. Some markets allow short selling. I think Bursa have not approved short selling for our market yet although they have been contemplating to allow this to liven up our market.
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Nov 19 2007, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(verbatim @ Nov 19 2007, 04:44 PM) then our friend's case is definitely not short sell case.. if like that oh!it is forced selling which means he has to sell cos he couldnt pick up using cash to own the shares.. short sell is when u play sell first, then buy back at lower price to make profit... contra game la... alright, so it is "force sell" then QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Nov 19 2007, 04:45 PM) pana, no joke man.. i have the similar thoughts, toothis early morning saw this post http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...K7rA&refer=news me oso frighten when saw it. so today sell as much as i can. Dun dare to open monitor to see market tomolo.. on monitor can, dun check the market can edy QUOTE(c0c0nut @ Nov 19 2007, 04:45 PM) prediction: tonight will be green DJ and tomorrow you will have a misture of red and green....but more green wow, you are so positiveAdded on November 19, 2007, 4:46 pmmy brooker said punya la... you make me feel better then! |
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Nov 19 2007, 04:47 PM) short selling is selling shares that you do not own but you have to buy back later. This action is good for a bear market which mean you sell at a higher price first & buy back when share price goes down later. You gain from the difference. This is different from force selling. Some markets allow short selling. I think Bursa have not approved short selling for our market yet although they have been contemplating to allow this to liven up our market. ahh now i understandshort sell = sell at high price, buy back at low price, *on the same day the lower the price goes, the untung you are *must short sell done on the same day? or different day also can? |
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ok my understanding is totally wrong heheheh kakakkaa...
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 04:52 PM) ahh now i understand There is some regulated short-selling in place in KLSE also, but not applicable to individual. You must arrange the shares you want to sell with brokerage house ('pinjam' to be simple) then selling it to the market when market is low, you bought back to return the shares to the broker house/investment house. Don't need at the same day like this, can be months or year. You make a gain/loss throught the differentiate then.short sell = sell at high price, buy back at low price, *on the same day the lower the price goes, the untung you are *must short sell done on the same day? or different day also can? |
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no money to pay my t+3 due payment.
2moro let cimb sell my shares lioooooooooo bo huat...... regretted. i wan to stop from this stupid KLCI and HK cw. |
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Actually why is sinopec and petrochina doing badly , high oil prices should be good for them right?
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ease you guys a little
Futures : +9.00 very near to the borderline i miss the day where Futures is more than 50pts and above |
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Andy888, all your purchases are CWs?
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QUOTE(cky80 @ Nov 19 2007, 06:03 PM) mana ada . lost ada la. last week just entered the stupid market. entered wrong time lio........ Added on November 19, 2007, 5:07 pm QUOTE(hexen7 @ Nov 19 2007, 06:02 PM) yaya. all stupid HK cw.sianThis post has been edited by andy888: Nov 19 2007, 05:07 PM |
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QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Nov 19 2007, 04:45 PM) pana, no joke man.. You are right, in fact in miami, there are a lot of apartment or condo auctions, the selling price is less than half of the price months ago.this early morning saw this post http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...K7rA&refer=news me oso frighten when saw it. so today sell as much as i can. Dun dare to open monitor to see market tomolo.. USA house/credit and property slump is just the beginning. Thats y i cash out from klse liaw, will come back in Dec or in Jan, see market how lor. $ in hand is king leh |
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Nov 19 2007, 04:54 PM) NO NO... our exchange not allowing short selling game anymore... before 1997 crisis they allowed... Dr.M banned it in 1998 when he introduced capital control...but u can still play short sell now provided u buy back on the same day..... remisiers sometimes buyback shares which they mistakenly key in as 'sell'.... if u anticipate a share will go down badly on that day, sell early on the trading day and buy back at lower price later. but be careful... if u don buy back on the day itself, SC will come after u if they suspect u did it 'purposely' |
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Haiihh...
What to do... I also lost RM600 on 6lots (x1000) on PetroCH-C1 in 2 days... Seeing how many CW you grab I can only pray all the best for you... Lucky Friday managed to grab Genting cheap and let go today for some condolence... Still (-RM400++) |
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QUOTE(verbatim @ Nov 19 2007, 05:10 PM) NO NO... our exchange not allowing short selling game anymore... before 1997 crisis they allowed... Dr.M banned it in 1998 when he introduced capital control... good explanation verbatim, i got the whole picture now but u can still play short sell now provided u buy back on the same day..... remisiers sometimes buyback shares which they mistakenly key in as 'sell'.... if u anticipate a share will go down badly on that day, sell early on the trading day and buy back at lower price later. but be careful... if u don buy back on the day itself, SC will come after u if they suspect u did it 'purposely' |
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QUOTE(verbatim @ Nov 19 2007, 05:10 PM) NO NO... our exchange not allowing short selling game anymore... before 1997 crisis they allowed... Dr.M banned it in 1998 when he introduced capital control... Lim Goh Tong eldest son also bancruptcy cos of share market, so the main point is self control.but u can still play short sell now provided u buy back on the same day..... remisiers sometimes buyback shares which they mistakenly key in as 'sell'.... if u anticipate a share will go down badly on that day, sell early on the trading day and buy back at lower price later. but be careful... if u don buy back on the day itself, SC will come after u if they suspect u did it 'purposely' |
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QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 19 2007, 05:12 PM) Haiihh... aww you sold your GENTINGWhat to do... I also lost RM600 on 6lots (x1000) on PetroCH-C1 in 2 days... Seeing how many CW you grab I can only pray all the best for you... Lucky Friday managed to grab Genting cheap and let go today for some condolence... Still (-RM400++) financial report would be out, should be this friday |
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 05:15 PM) Can always buy back ma...Its back at 7.80 and mayb tomorrow can buy at cheaper price... Someone was pushing Genting share up so I sell lor... I noticed that this morning always got 1(x1000) transaction buying Genting at 5cent higher than last done price. So I ma queue for RM8 lor... Mayb I will buy UEMBuilder... see how first |
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QUOTE(verbatim @ Nov 19 2007, 05:10 PM) NO NO... our exchange not allowing short selling game anymore... before 1997 crisis they allowed... Dr.M banned it in 1998 when he introduced capital control... There has been regulated short-selling on designated stocks in place in the early beginning of this year, but nobody care about it, as only instuitional investors got the opportunities to do it (troublesome for the paper work for share borrowing and needed large sum, do you think investment house want to do a 10K shares borrowing?) but then they also not interested at all as you need to place the shares 'under' regulated short-selling 'account'. It only expose you as short-seller, not that good though.but u can still play short sell now provided u buy back on the same day..... remisiers sometimes buyback shares which they mistakenly key in as 'sell'.... if u anticipate a share will go down badly on that day, sell early on the trading day and buy back at lower price later. but be careful... if u don buy back on the day itself, SC will come after u if they suspect u did it 'purposely' Individual, not possible. Yes, prior to 1997 financial crisis, there is no strict regulation of short-sell. Now, short-sell is prohibited except for the above mentioned. (or whether this plan has been scrapped or not, don't know liao as nobody care and interest in it, same like futures for individual stocks, launched but never being traded) You only look for trouble try to short-sell in the same day, if suddenly the stock is being suspended (like magnum recently), then how? scramble to 'buying in' at 10 ticks above market price? just means $$ losses only. If the stock didn't go down means you are force to buy back at the same day which also mean $$. Contra in T+3, people already find difficult to gain, at the same day? although you get the intra-day commisson of 0.15% but still it is very very hard to do, don't believe? try it yourself and let us know then. Not good choice. If really want to short, better short the FKLI, (the downside you short the index, not individual stocks), much easier. Also it is against the rules or law of KLSE, one can be charged if found guilty of short-sell. This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 19 2007, 05:35 PM |
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Nov 19 2007, 05:33 PM
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yeah one of the critirea to short sell is, you must buy back (at lower price)
only advisable to do so if you are confident that the price will continue go lower, on that day else, better dun play short sell |
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Man, I realise many forumers here are merely speculating on the stock market...
HK-CW, contra plays, goreng plays, etc. all this scares me off but I like to read the comments u guys put here. Really made my day For those that lost much money, why not try investing instead. Slow and steady investing, maybe you all should try value investing that's used by many people like Warren Buffet, Benjamin Graham, ... I think it's very good way of investments, can make money in bull or bear market. U don't even have to bother DJIA going up or going down, as long as you think you bought a good company at value prices. Then, you can go to sleep even in bull or bear market and make money consistently. Bull run maybe make more-la, bear market just sit and collect good dividends lo... Thanks to my investment now, I can tell my company to fly kite with their lousy OT. I don't need crap OT allowances, my stocks are paying me every month |
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Nov 19 2007, 06:37 PM
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anyone trade on US stock market?
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15% chance nia...
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Nov 19 2007, 06:50 PM
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Nov 19 2007, 06:50 PM
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anyone monitor CHLIFE-C3?
CHLIFE-c3(0506C3) Mother Share =HKD42.60 Warrant =RM0.175 Exchange Rate: RM1 = HKD2.3152 Ratio = 1:30 Exercise Price = HKD36.50 To calculate Premium(%) =((((0.175*30)*2.3152)+36.50-42.60)/42.60)*100 = 14.21% personally feel that it still has room to drop, my fair price for it is below 10 cents but i dun think it will drop below that hmm, 0.110 to 0.120 should be ok to pick up This post has been edited by panasonic88: Nov 19 2007, 06:51 PM |
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Nov 19 2007, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(lhurgyof @ Nov 19 2007, 06:37 PM) Man, I realise many forumers here are merely speculating on the stock market... you must be having a bad day in your work today, i assume HK-CW, contra plays, goreng plays, etc. all this scares me off but I like to read the comments u guys put here. Really made my day For those that lost much money, why not try investing instead. Slow and steady investing, maybe you all should try value investing that's used by many people like Warren Buffet, Benjamin Graham, ... I think it's very good way of investments, can make money in bull or bear market. U don't even have to bother DJIA going up or going down, as long as you think you bought a good company at value prices. Then, you can go to sleep even in bull or bear market and make money consistently. Bull run maybe make more-la, bear market just sit and collect good dividends lo... Thanks to my investment now, I can tell my company to fly kite with their lousy OT. I don't need crap OT allowances, my stocks are paying me every month so what kind of investing are you in now, if you don't mind to share |
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QUOTE(lhurgyof @ Nov 19 2007, 06:37 PM) Man, I realise many forumers here are merely speculating on the stock market... as long as you think you bought a good company at value prices. Then, you can go to sleep even in bull or bear market and make money consistently. Bull run maybe make more-la, bear market just sit and collect good dividends lo...HK-CW, contra plays, goreng plays, etc. all this scares me off but I like to read the comments u guys put here. Really made my day For those that lost much money, why not try investing instead. Slow and steady investing, maybe you all should try value investing that's used by many people like Warren Buffet, Benjamin Graham, ... I think it's very good way of investments, can make money in bull or bear market. U don't even have to bother DJIA going up or going down, as long as you think you bought a good company at value prices. Then, you can go to sleep even in bull or bear market and make money consistently. Bull run maybe make more-la, bear market just sit and collect good dividends lo... Thanks to my investment now, I can tell my company to fly kite with their lousy OT. I don't need crap OT allowances, my stocks are paying me every month The buying good company isn't hard, but choosing a good company which is under-priced is hard. The problem is all good companies are also expensive and not undervalued. Added on November 19, 2007, 6:56 pm QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 06:50 PM) anyone monitor CHLIFE-C3? 14% is quite high, even sinopec trading at only 3-5% premium also want to die already.CHLIFE-c3(0506C3) Mother Share =HKD42.60 Warrant =RM0.175 Exchange Rate: RM1 = HKD2.3152 Ratio = 1:30 Exercise Price = HKD36.50 To calculate Premium(%) =((((0.175*30)*2.3152)+36.50-42.60)/42.60)*100 = 14.21% personally feel that it still has room to drop, my fair price for it is below 10 cents but i dun think it will drop below that hmm, 0.110 to 0.120 should be ok to pick up This post has been edited by Drian: Nov 19 2007, 06:56 PM |
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Nov 19 2007, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 19 2007, 06:55 PM) exactly, that's why i dun wan to enter yetfair price for CHLIFE-C3 with zero or negative premiums should be around RM 0.088 i am doing this calculation is because of an article posted in today's biz nanyang newspaper, the analyst recommended CHLIFE-C3, so i am checking up the premiums to see whether is the price justify to get or not |
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 07:02 PM) exactly, that's why i dun wan to enter yet Did the analyst give any reasons for the recommendation?fair price for CHLIFE-C3 with zero or negative premiums should be around RM 0.088 i am doing this calculation is because of an article posted in today's biz nanyang newspaper, the analyst recommended CHLIFE-C3, so i am checking up the premiums to see whether is the price justify to get or not |
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Nov 19 2007, 07:09 PM
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Nov 19 2007, 07:14 PM
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yewww tonight DJIA is ugly
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Nov 19 2007, 08:15 PM
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fed will not effect the market much now. in future it may risk more to the market.
erm now is cooling off time killing the bull. bear is much stronger after it awake. this is what i see now. |
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Nov 19 2007, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 19 2007, 08:15 PM) Keep on cutting the rate is not a briliant solution. It's merely a temporary excitement and it wears off faster than you could imagine. No much forward momentum gain during each previous cut. |
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Nov 19 2007, 08:34 PM
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Guys, want to ask ... what're the difference in term of business orientation between IOICORP and IOIPROP?
By the way, DiGi closed RM 26.00 after gained 0.75. |
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everyday RED, don know what date is GREEN
regretted to enter this period of stock market..........see la.......my savings all burned become cili tomato....... i think all of us should stop investing........bo jia lat.......... see la, today at USA , so many bad news coming in................ wa lao ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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IOICORP = Plantation counter, majoring palm oil
IOIPROP = Property player Digi is going to get stronger, but 3G isnt going to give a boost in revenue just yet. They will spent a lot of money promoting and deploying the network. It will make them level on with Maxis and Celcom in term of technology (till 3.5G full roll-out). Added on November 19, 2007, 9:24 pm QUOTE(andy888 @ Nov 19 2007, 09:19 PM) everyday RED, don know what date is GREEN Well, if you take T+3 trading as investment, this is what you get.regretted to enter this period of stock market..........see la.......my savings all burned become cili tomato....... i think all of us should stop investing........bo jia lat.......... see la, today at USA , so many bad news coming in................ wa lao ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh What we are doing with T+3 is no different than gaming/gambling. Investment is something that you hold on to for a term, whether its short or long. This post has been edited by kapitan: Nov 19 2007, 09:24 PM |
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QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 19 2007, 10:21 PM) IOICORP = Plantation counter, majoring palm oil ya........thanks for ur advise.............i know i'm wrong......but is no way back.......... IOIPROP = Property player Digi is going to get stronger, but 3G isnt going to give a boost in revenue just yet. They will spent a lot of money promoting and deploying the network. It will make them level on with Maxis and Celcom in term of technology (till 3.5G full roll-out). Added on November 19, 2007, 9:24 pm Well, if you take T+3 trading as investment, this is what you get. What we are doing with T+3 is no different than gaming/gambling. Investment is something that you hold on to for a term, whether its short or long. Added on November 19, 2007, 9:46 pmJUST FACE THE FACT, PAY THE BILLS.... NOTHING CAN CHANGE... the story from other FORUM ALTHOUGH U R NOT A CONTRA PLAYER...ANYWAY,U FEEL ANGRY,SAD,DEPRESSED...THAT'S WHAT EVERY LOSER FELT.. WHEN ANGER ADN FEAR HAS BLINDED A PERSON, HE WILL TRY TO WIN HIS MONEY BACK BUY BUYING SO CALLED" CHEAP" SHARES... FINALLY....HE/SHE STEP DEEPER AND DEEPER...INTO A HOLE WHERE HE/SHE CAN'T GET HIMSELF OUT OF IT ALREADY.. i am sure u all have seen how OSK uncle aunty playing?...those are so called addicted already...and they will keep on sitting on the chair...keep on losing.. i m not going to advice you anything...but at least, keep peace for a while, keep a cool mind...love and appreciate ur family...coz they are always there for you... i lost..a lot..almost half of my savings...we all knows we are just a small time players..not enough to bite the big fish...(if u not agree its ok, just sit beside vincent tan and play..) what i wanna say here is,stop dreaming...cut lost if u can,save ur money back,learn a lesson...come again late december while observing the market now... even there may b one or two days market up due to any theme it mayu be...its just temporary...for those contra player to syok a while....but they will lose back... dun get trap........pull ur leg out now since its still early........... DJ future points down like shit now.... god blesssssssssss.................. This post has been edited by andy888: Nov 19 2007, 09:47 PM |
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QUOTE(andy888 @ Nov 19 2007, 09:43 PM) ya........thanks for ur advise.............i know i'm wrong......but is no way back.......... Yeah, I agree those contra player will syok a while and then lose back to the market. Which is why no matter how I wish I can get profit within 3 days I will always buy those with strong fundamentals. just in case market turn sour, I still can hold this. In fact, in my portfolio now, almost >50% of the counters giving roughly 5-10% dividend annually. But I don't really agree in cutting lost, unless of course you don't have anymore capital with you...though I believe most of us will have (since we draw monthly salary). Can always buy back at very low price, when the market sees bottom. That's my opinion onlyAdded on November 19, 2007, 9:46 pmJUST FACE THE FACT, PAY THE BILLS.... NOTHING CAN CHANGE... the story from other FORUM ALTHOUGH U R NOT A CONTRA PLAYER...ANYWAY,U FEEL ANGRY,SAD,DEPRESSED...THAT'S WHAT EVERY LOSER FELT.. WHEN ANGER ADN FEAR HAS BLINDED A PERSON, HE WILL TRY TO WIN HIS MONEY BACK BUY BUYING SO CALLED" CHEAP" SHARES... FINALLY....HE/SHE STEP DEEPER AND DEEPER...INTO A HOLE WHERE HE/SHE CAN'T GET HIMSELF OUT OF IT ALREADY.. i am sure u all have seen how OSK uncle aunty playing?...those are so called addicted already...and they will keep on sitting on the chair...keep on losing.. i m not going to advice you anything...but at least, keep peace for a while, keep a cool mind...love and appreciate ur family...coz they are always there for you... i lost..a lot..almost half of my savings...we all knows we are just a small time players..not enough to bite the big fish...(if u not agree its ok, just sit beside vincent tan and play..) what i wanna say here is,stop dreaming...cut lost if u can,save ur money back,learn a lesson...come again late december while observing the market now... even there may b one or two days market up due to any theme it mayu be...its just temporary...for those contra player to syok a while....but they will lose back... dun get trap........pull ur leg out now since its still early........... DJ future points down like shit now.... god blesssssssssss.................. |
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Do you mean or conclude that playing contra is strongly not encourageable?
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QUOTE(andy888 @ Nov 19 2007, 09:43 PM) ya........thanks for ur advise.............i know i'm wrong......but is no way back.......... Sigh..me oso encounter same fate as you. Me not suitable to become a player in pool of sharks, crocodiles.Added on November 19, 2007, 9:46 pmJUST FACE THE FACT, PAY THE BILLS.... NOTHING CAN CHANGE... the story from other FORUM ALTHOUGH U R NOT A CONTRA PLAYER...ANYWAY,U FEEL ANGRY,SAD,DEPRESSED...THAT'S WHAT EVERY LOSER FELT.. WHEN ANGER ADN FEAR HAS BLINDED A PERSON, HE WILL TRY TO WIN HIS MONEY BACK BUY BUYING SO CALLED" CHEAP" SHARES... FINALLY....HE/SHE STEP DEEPER AND DEEPER...INTO A HOLE WHERE HE/SHE CAN'T GET HIMSELF OUT OF IT ALREADY.. i am sure u all have seen how OSK uncle aunty playing?...those are so called addicted already...and they will keep on sitting on the chair...keep on losing.. i m not going to advice you anything...but at least, keep peace for a while, keep a cool mind...love and appreciate ur family...coz they are always there for you... i lost..a lot..almost half of my savings...we all knows we are just a small time players..not enough to bite the big fish...(if u not agree its ok, just sit beside vincent tan and play..) what i wanna say here is,stop dreaming...cut lost if u can,save ur money back,learn a lesson...come again late december while observing the market now... even there may b one or two days market up due to any theme it mayu be...its just temporary...for those contra player to syok a while....but they will lose back... dun get trap........pull ur leg out now since its still early........... DJ future points down like shit now.... god blesssssssssss.................. Already been loss of half year of my savings into these darn pool of bloods. Your remarks above slap me from being dreaming of winning back those loss money. Dreams smashed into pieces and scaterred everywhere. Its time for me to wake from stupid dreams and goes on with life. Life still need to go on. Time to rest and plan for next month. See whether market can rebound for REAL or not. Then will start enter market with new strategy of investing. play with fundamental and choose stocks with good yield of dividends. Dun dare to play with T+3 unless having confidence with counter that i playing. Wish you all good luck in these volatiles market. |
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Nov 19 2007, 10:29 PM
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We can always earn back what we've lost. What comes down will eventually goes up and vice versa. But at the moment, I'm still breakeven though making 60% profit this 1st half alone. Seems like in the 2nd half of the year, hardly getting an average of more than 10% for each counter. But, I think even in bad times. my counters will continue to pay me dividend, which I will collect and reinvest in bad times. Plus my salary, I think can recover by next year first half. At the moment, I will just hold and wait. Cutting lost is definitely out of question coz that's so not my style
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^DJI starts the day with:
At 2:32PM : 13,113.06 -63.73 (-0.49%) |
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Market Technical Reading (19/11/07): Current Bearish Momentum Is Likely To Persist... source link
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 19 2007, 10:29 PM) We can always earn back what we've lost. What comes down will eventually goes up and vice versa. But at the moment, I'm still breakeven though making 60% profit this 1st half alone. Seems like in the 2nd half of the year, hardly getting an average of more than 10% for each counter. But, I think even in bad times. my counters will continue to pay me dividend, which I will collect and reinvest in bad times. Plus my salary, I think can recover by next year first half. At the moment, I will just hold and wait. Cutting lost is definitely out of question coz that's so not my style Hmm...Investment sometimes will have up and down for sure. Cutting loss is a method for those with limited cash in hand. No choice but to let go. Even so, you still have to look at the counter performance lor. If with good fundamental, then its okay. Otherwise just let go ba. |
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Google share is performing while DJ stil in red. Lets hope both also end up in green color
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QUOTE(andy888 @ Nov 19 2007, 09:19 PM) everyday RED, don know what date is GREEN how much u lost ?regretted to enter this period of stock market..........see la.......my savings all burned become cili tomato....... i think all of us should stop investing........bo jia lat.......... see la, today at USA , so many bad news coming in................ wa lao ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 19 2007, 05:30 PM) You only look for trouble try to short-sell in the same day, if suddenly the stock is being suspended (like magnum recently), then how? scramble to 'buying in' at 10 ticks above market price? just means $$ losses only. If the stock didn't go down means you are force to buy back at the same day which also mean $$. Contra in T+3, people already find difficult to gain, at the same day? although you get the intra-day commisson of 0.15% but still it is very very hard to do, don't believe? try it yourself and let us know then. Not good choice. If really want to short, better short the FKLI, (the downside you short the index, not individual stocks), much easier. Also it is against the rules or law of KLSE, one can be charged if found guilty of short-sell. Not only that,do not think that selling and buying back on the same day is okay,the Bursa have such thing known as "time and sales report"where they can actually identify such trades.If you do this OFTEN and/or IN BIG QUANTITIES,your trades may catch the eyes of the suivellance people in Bursa and your Remisier MAY be called up for "yim teh"(interview)session either by Bursa or the Securities Commission.To protect their own ricebowl,the Remisier will just say they are acting on your instruction and investigation can commence against you. Insofar as i know,the authorities(Bursa and the Securities Commission)have not charged any small fish for short selling yet,hope you will not be the first unlucky one. |
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gmt 15.15
19 oct 2007 djia - negative 86.33 ftse - negative 66.2 Djia might break negative 100, not a good sign |
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digi is a big bubble ....
contra is one of the ways to invest ... a bit closer toward gambling, I lost all my invesment in contra due to follow market too close and got emotional and got burned |
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QUOTE(mtsen @ Nov 19 2007, 11:20 PM) digi is a big bubble .... I think FEAR is something we should have inside our brain/heart.contra is one of the ways to invest ... a bit closer toward gambling, I lost all my invesment in contra due to follow market too close and got emotional and got burned If you have no FEAR, you will push ahead regardless of the result. When you have FEAR, you will start weighting more carefully and wont take too much risk. Added on November 19, 2007, 11:41 pmI bet RM 10 DJIA will end today's trading <=13,000.00 points... This post has been edited by kapitan: Nov 19 2007, 11:41 PM |
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QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 19 2007, 10:53 PM) Hmm... Agree cutting loss is a method for those with limited cash. But for me, since those counters that I've got has strong fundamental, going back up is just a matter of time. In the meantime, just take those dividend as a reward. What to do? It's not everyday you can double your earning Investment sometimes will have up and down for sure. Cutting loss is a method for those with limited cash in hand. No choice but to let go. Even so, you still have to look at the counter performance lor. If with good fundamental, then its okay. Otherwise just let go ba. |
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Tomorrow can start looking for bargain shares liao...
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BLOODY TUESDAY AHEAD OF US.... LET FACE IT TOGETHER . NOT EVEN US .
PEOPLES INVESTING IN PUBLIC MUTUAL FUND ALSO KELAM KABUT................. |
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Very tiny rebound...
But would DJIA able to hold on?? If below 13000 tonite, I might be too scared to enter the market tomorrow... Update: DJIA is at -160++... Another 9points seperate heaven and hell... This post has been edited by kapitan: Nov 20 2007, 12:25 AM |
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QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 19 2007, 11:45 PM) yes, big discount tomorrow. fkli will be in terrible state. perhaps will long some stock tom, recommend anything ?Added on November 20, 2007, 12:33 amdjia - negative 165 points at 17.30 gmt. This post has been edited by a6meister: Nov 20 2007, 12:33 AM |
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broke the 13k barrier
so guys how sell all, buy at 12500? |
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Nov 20 2007, 12:53 AM
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Tomorrow will scout see got bargain or not...
Opening tomorrow will be exciting time to search... |
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Nov 20 2007, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Nov 19 2007, 11:18 PM) Yeah,I totally agree. when i start invest share... i asked my remiser about the this... they told me no legal action can be take if i hit and run.... maybe i just a ikan bilis... no big deal for themNot only that,do not think that selling and buying back on the same day is okay,the Bursa have such thing known as "time and sales report"where they can actually identify such trades.If you do this OFTEN and/or IN BIG QUANTITIES,your trades may catch the eyes of the suivellance people in Bursa and your Remisier MAY be called up for "yim teh"(interview)session either by Bursa or the Securities Commission.To protect their own ricebowl,the Remisier will just say they are acting on your instruction and investigation can commence against you. Insofar as i know,the authorities(Bursa and the Securities Commission)have not charged any small fish for short selling yet,hope you will not be the first unlucky one. |
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Nov 20 2007, 01:07 AM
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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 19 2007, 06:55 PM) as long as you think you bought a good company at value prices. Then, you can go to sleep even in bull or bear market and make money consistently. Bull run maybe make more-la, bear market just sit and collect good dividends lo... i dont agree with the highlighted statement above.The buying good company isn't hard, but choosing a good company which is under-priced is hard. The problem is all good companies are also expensive and not undervalued. i believe there are plenty of undervalued counters listed, depending on your own valuation. but i think regardless of how you see it, from PE, future prospect, GE speculation, there are plenty of counters for you to choose. the magical question is when are they going to move. Added on November 20, 2007, 1:14 am QUOTE(andy888 @ Nov 19 2007, 09:19 PM) everyday RED, don know what date is GREEN i think taking a break during this period of time would be very gd, wait for the storm to calm first.regretted to enter this period of stock market..........see la.......my savings all burned become cili tomato....... i think all of us should stop investing........bo jia lat.......... see la, today at USA , so many bad news coming in................ wa lao ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh QUOTE(andy888 @ Nov 19 2007, 09:43 PM) ya........thanks for ur advise.............i know i'm wrong......but is no way back.......... Added on November 19, 2007, 9:46 pmJUST FACE THE FACT, PAY THE BILLS.... NOTHING CAN CHANGE... the story from other FORUM ALTHOUGH U R NOT A CONTRA PLAYER...ANYWAY,U FEEL ANGRY,SAD,DEPRESSED...THAT'S WHAT EVERY LOSER FELT.. WHEN ANGER ADN FEAR HAS BLINDED A PERSON, HE WILL TRY TO WIN HIS MONEY BACK BUY BUYING SO CALLED" CHEAP" SHARES... FINALLY....HE/SHE STEP DEEPER AND DEEPER...INTO A HOLE WHERE HE/SHE CAN'T GET HIMSELF OUT OF IT ALREADY.. i am sure u all have seen how OSK uncle aunty playing?...those are so called addicted already...and they will keep on sitting on the chair...keep on losing.. i m not going to advice you anything...but at least, keep peace for a while, keep a cool mind...love and appreciate ur family...coz they are always there for you... i lost..a lot..almost half of my savings...we all knows we are just a small time players..not enough to bite the big fish...(if u not agree its ok, just sit beside vincent tan and play..) what i wanna say here is,stop dreaming...cut lost if u can,save ur money back,learn a lesson...come again late december while observing the market now... even there may b one or two days market up due to any theme it mayu be...its just temporary...for those contra player to syok a while....but they will lose back... dun get trap........pull ur leg out now since its still early........... DJ future points down like shit now.... god blesssssssssss.................. QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 19 2007, 10:17 PM) i super duper agree with what u said, cause i read it from those authors time and again already."HE WILL TRY TO WIN HIS MONEY BACK BUY BUYING SO CALLED" CHEAP" SHARES" ---> this is what they called trying to catch a falling knife andy, i think in the future before u start buying in, regardless of whether its CW or mother share, stop loss point is very important. once reach that point, MUST sell, u can always buy back later when it drops to lower level, no point holding on. i learnt it the hard way as well, fortunately not that much $$ involved. from what i read from books, when the price is falling, look at the volume, if its falling with high volume being traded, don go in yet, wait for thin volume only go in, minimize risk. if ure interested to read some ebooks, let me know via PM. This post has been edited by beginner: Nov 20 2007, 01:14 AM |
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Nov 20 2007, 01:14 AM
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DJIA rallied hard... above 13k now...
Whether or not DJIA stay above 13k play a psychology role on KLCI tomorrow. As most malaysian are rather paranoid with number... |
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Nov 20 2007, 02:22 AM
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haii...
really a bad situation rite now.. cannot do anything.. just pray can sell all in hand before expired.. so sad... sob sob... |
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Nov 20 2007, 06:49 AM
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DJIA closed the day below 13k:
At 9:05PM : 12,958.44 -218.35 (-1.66%) |
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Nov 20 2007, 08:15 AM
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ghost month of western calendar
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Nov 20 2007, 08:19 AM
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Don't worry, I think maybe can start looking for bargain (seriously not for contra purposes) or wait longer until the rough sea calm down.
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Nov 20 2007, 08:37 AM
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Let's see how the other markets react. Me thinks the bottom we have not reached.
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Nov 20 2007, 08:56 AM
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get ready to stormy ride....
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Nov 20 2007, 09:05 AM
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not bad what,
composite baru -6.xx only |
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Nov 20 2007, 09:12 AM
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almost 10pts liao....ferrari red liao
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Nov 20 2007, 09:14 AM
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/seat down & watch movie
ahhh DIGI please come down more |
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Nov 20 2007, 09:14 AM
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Nov 20 2007, 09:22 AM
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Nov 20 2007, 09:26 AM
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huhuhu........and i thought i bought it cheaply.....~sigh~
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Nov 20 2007, 09:36 AM
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DJI 12958.44 13176.79 -218.35 -1.7%
Nasdaq 2593.38 2637.24 -43.86 -1.7% S&P500 1433.27 1458.74 -25.47 -1.7% FTSE 6120.80 6291.20 -170.40 -2.7% Nikkei 14751.27 15042.56 -291.29 -1.9% KOSPI 1830.00 1893.47 -63.47 -3.4% KLCI 1370.18 1379.91 -9.73 -0.7% HSI 27460.17 27614.43 -154.26 -0.6% TWSE 8449.74 8680.71 -230.97 -2.7% STI 3334.29 3411.72 -77.43 -2.3% SET 831.14 849.07 -17.93 -2.1% SHCOMP 5227.95 5269.82 -41.86 -0.8% JCI 2646.81 2668.70 -21.89 -0.8% Another day of 'whole river red' |
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Nov 20 2007, 09:39 AM
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Red all the way.. Come on! Get up Bursa!!!
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Nov 20 2007, 09:42 AM
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if you monitor the market closely
today is not the worst day, it is actually bouncing back to the previous lowest my friend bought 1000 shares BURSA in the early November at 14 bucks BURSA slowly climb till 14.80 / 15.00 recently and today, BURSA goes back to 14 so, market is not going worse yet it is just going to-and-fro, imo |
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Nov 20 2007, 09:48 AM
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Nov 20 2007, 09:50 AM
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as our market trend is so funny...i cant depend on anything...sometimes around 4.45 u see a small rush on some counters....and sometimes market down 1 or 2 counter are up..why ? u dono cause they are in the world of their own...this is where people come in get the wrong counter and stuck there...
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Nov 20 2007, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 19 2007, 11:44 PM) Agree cutting loss is a method for those with limited cash. But for me, since those counters that I've got has strong fundamental, going back up is just a matter of time. In the meantime, just take those dividend as a reward. What to do? It's not everyday you can double your earning well you could also sell and buy back when it's at its lowest. |
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Nov 20 2007, 09:52 AM
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when market is down, the Top Gainers column always filled with some "unfamiliar" stock counter
dunno lah, they look unfamiliar to me, not sure about others, maybe you guys is having some of them in your portfolio, |
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Nov 20 2007, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 20 2007, 09:51 AM) I rather not use this method....Usually when you are quite desperate to sell and then buy back....you'll end up selling at not so attractive price....and buy at more exp. This has happen to a few of my colleagues |
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Nov 20 2007, 10:01 AM
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ya....me too.....if i sell now...i will be tempted to buy the lowest today...then who knows tomorrow drop further then wish to buy even more! hahahhaa.......better to just not look at the counter at all during this period......but hard to resist.....
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Nov 20 2007, 10:02 AM
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cash is king now..no point selling some
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Nov 20 2007, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 20 2007, 09:54 AM) I rather not use this method....Usually when you are quite desperate to sell and then buy back....you'll end up selling at not so attractive price....and buy at more exp. This has happen to a few of my colleagues mentally exhausted, tootiring your own body & brain only |
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Nov 20 2007, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 20 2007, 09:54 AM) I rather not use this method....Usually when you are quite desperate to sell and then buy back....you'll end up selling at not so attractive price....and buy at more exp. This has happen to a few of my colleagues this is quite true, we can be irrational when the situation becomes worrisome during stock value dwindling or excited when value climbing up. Its quite hard to grab the right moment & perfect price. We might sell too cheaply or buy the same stock at higher price than we sold.Just think how much money you can leave them in the shares for at least few months & decide whether to cut loss or not. Just my opinion. |
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Nov 20 2007, 10:05 AM
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more blood flowing...............
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Nov 20 2007, 10:07 AM
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Nov 20 2007, 10:15 AM
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feb and july it is? the most painfully in feb coz i was sudden...my exposure tat time was highest...contra volume highest
well, in july or aug mine far less on contra |
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Nov 20 2007, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 20 2007, 10:07 AM) I got flamed by saying this word last time out ('cash in the king') last time as people claim you lose more with cash in inflation situation, nvm.'Cash is king' is not mean you keep the cash forever, it is essential to keep cash for unforseen circumstance, and for you to take the opportunities in the down turn. We, individual is not advisable to fully invested like mutual funds or instituitional players. You always keep certain portion in cash for unforseen circumstances. Funds can raise money again if they wish to, but individual cannot. This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 20 2007, 10:20 AM |
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Nov 20 2007, 10:16 AM
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hsi -1000++ at opening
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Nov 20 2007, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(ts1 @ Nov 20 2007, 10:15 AM) feb and july it is? the most painfully in feb coz i was sudden...my exposure tat time was highest...contra volume highest I think ppl made a lot in early feb but lost towards the end... I lost the most in august... and now... losingwell, in july or aug mine far less on contra |
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Nov 20 2007, 10:18 AM
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Ranhill @ 2.29 , so tempting
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Nov 20 2007, 10:20 AM
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Nov 20 2007, 10:20 AM
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Im trying to buy Genting and IOICORP now...
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Nov 20 2007, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(verbatim @ Nov 20 2007, 10:17 AM) I think ppl made a lot in early feb but lost towards the end... I lost the most in august... and now... losing Yes, situation now is different, although KLCI hit new high. (The new high in KLCI doesn't reflect the whole market situation after all). Last time, people make a lot during Feb at the bull run time, still it somehow giving out some of the gain made, but this time around, not many make a lot from the market, unless you are buying certain index linked counters, so more painful this time around especially previously HK-CW being 'goreng' kau kau. |
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Nov 20 2007, 10:27 AM
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masuk longkang deeper and deeper
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Nov 20 2007, 10:30 AM
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Seems like situation is getting more and more serious....
Remember 1987, then 1997 and NOW 2007.... the big crash in the market... It may be true 10years once big ones..... takut lor |
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Nov 20 2007, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Nov 20 2007, 10:30 AM) Seems like situation is getting more and more serious.... Current situation is far from the worst, if want to compare the situation 1997,1987 back then, market still relative high though.Remember 1987, then 1997 and NOW 2007.... the big crash in the market... It may be true 10years once big ones..... takut lor So not that worst (or yet). US economy and USD hold the key of market stability now. If USD plunge non-stop with drastic pace, it will create plenty of uncertainty in the market, by then market will have some hard time. So watch out the USD situation. A more slower pace of depreciation is welcomed but recently the pace is somehow accelerating. This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 20 2007, 10:37 AM |
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Nov 20 2007, 10:36 AM
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I use to have a favourites list (around 50 stock) to monitor, normally half green half red. Today I just open all RED!!!!!!
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Nov 20 2007, 10:38 AM
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dun panic ar...if not we will make it worse......hehehehhe
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Nov 20 2007, 10:39 AM
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maybe we have to bear this for a few months, until US situation expected to improve on 2nd quarter next year (if only they improve). At the mean time, just sit back & hope for some bounces in-between.
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Nov 20 2007, 10:43 AM
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Nov 20 2007, 10:45 AM
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Yesterday i still have faith and strong mind to patiently wait for rebound, at least in 1/2 weeks time. Today open really crush all the hope... still have to be tough.. and wait patiently...
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Nov 20 2007, 10:45 AM
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Sigh.. my order for Genting n IOICORP very hard to go through....
I want BUY!!!!!!!! |
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Nov 20 2007, 10:46 AM
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just seat back and enjoy dividend lor, like what jasontoh suggested
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Nov 20 2007, 10:47 AM
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don't worry it will rebound. But if it drops more than it gains every rebound then net effect is still negative.
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Nov 20 2007, 10:48 AM
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Hmmm well I think a lot of people who have waited for a crash or a significant correction can now put their plan into play. But it seems most of the blue chip counters aren't that attractive yet. Most of the ones that drop in KLCI seem to be the more often speculated ones.
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Nov 20 2007, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 20 2007, 10:47 AM) don't worry it will rebound. But if it drops more than it gains every rebound then net effect is still negative. The KLCI drop but not all are affected.Only those that are being 'goreng' like Zelan, TopGlove, etc etc are dropping. In fact counters like Genting, Maybank, AMMB, BJTOTO, and many more drop just a tiny bit nia... Added on November 20, 2007, 10:53 amGov will come to rescue I think... but not so early la... wait for 2nd half... This post has been edited by kapitan: Nov 20 2007, 10:53 AM |
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go shopping lagi baik rather than sit down here.,.,sian
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Nov 20 2007, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 20 2007, 10:49 AM) The KLCI drop but not all are affected. i call that a "correction"Only those that are being 'goreng' like Zelan, TopGlove, etc etc are dropping. In fact counters like Genting, Maybank, AMMB, BJTOTO, and many more drop just a tiny bit nia... Added on November 20, 2007, 10:53 amGov will come to rescue I think... but not so early la... wait for 2nd half... unless one day when you see blue chips are priced at 50% or lower from their original price, then only hit the panic button and shout that recession is coming! |
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QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 20 2007, 10:49 AM) The KLCI drop but not all are affected. so, have u entered the genting and ioicorp game yet ?Only those that are being 'goreng' like Zelan, TopGlove, etc etc are dropping. In fact counters like Genting, Maybank, AMMB, BJTOTO, and many more drop just a tiny bit nia... Added on November 20, 2007, 10:53 amGov will come to rescue I think... but not so early la... wait for 2nd half... thanks |
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[quote=beginner,Nov 20 2007, 01:07 AM]
i dont agree with the highlighted statement above. i believe there are plenty of undervalued counters listed, depending on your own valuation. but i think regardless of how you see it, from PE, future prospect, GE speculation, there are plenty of counters for you to choose. the magical question is when are they going to mov Thanks for agreeing with me. Yes, maybe these type of investment style is slow to make money but as long as it is profitable in the long run, who cares? The tortoise beats the hare in the race... Hi Pana, Nah, not exactly bad day at work. Just bored of work. Maybe one day I can be fulltime share investor and quit my 9-5 job |
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Nov 20 2007, 10:58 AM
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Genting and IOI very stubborn...
Give me chance to buy la... |
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Nov 20 2007, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(lhurgyof @ Nov 20 2007, 10:57 AM) Nah, not exactly bad day at work. Just bored of work. Unless you can make 5k from it every month else, just stick to your job...Maybe one day I can be fulltime share investor and quit my 9-5 job Added on November 20, 2007, 11:03 am QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Nov 20 2007, 11:01 AM) I would say no chance to IOI to dip below RM7 currently...This post has been edited by kapitan: Nov 20 2007, 11:03 AM |
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Nov 20 2007, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 20 2007, 11:02 AM) Unless you can make 5k from it every month else, just stick to your job... Actually now 7.20 is also good buy leh, when it rebound back to 7.55 can make 30sen immediatelyAdded on November 20, 2007, 11:03 am I would say no chance to IOI to dip below RM7 currently... This post has been edited by chinkw1: Nov 20 2007, 11:10 AM |
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can you be sure of that????
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Im queueing for RM7.15 and RM7.70 for Genting...
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Wah Sinopec C1 now only 14.5sen, very nice price to go in
Added on November 20, 2007, 11:15 am QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Nov 20 2007, 11:14 AM) cNOOC only 23.5 sen, also very nice price to go in lehThis post has been edited by chinkw1: Nov 20 2007, 11:15 AM |
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QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 20 2007, 11:13 AM) Im queueing for RM7.15 and RM7.70 for Genting... 7.15 got 12+++ buy leh, dont think u can get it.Now I look back at the report... the other day I actually made up 40% of my previous losses on HK CW when I sold Genting @ 8.00. very tempting to go in at 7.20, when it rebound tomolo to 7.55, can make some christmas present.. |
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I will not go in for IOICORP at 7.20, 7.15 safer.
Buy back for IOICORP isnt high, like Genting. So there is selling pressure. Added on November 20, 2007, 11:25 am59 UP 717 DOWN 157 UNCHANGED Today is making another history... This post has been edited by kapitan: Nov 20 2007, 11:25 AM |
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let's predict how DJ gonna perform tonight
DJ broke the 13K barrier last night if no bad news or bad financial reports i guess there might be a small rebound tonight last Tuesday DJ closed at +3xx i hope the history will repeat |
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Sienzzzz....
Queue so long yet unable to buy anything at all... |
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Wah HK now only 26+++ nia, kena the most jia lat one
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Got IOICORP at 7.15, waiting for Genting now...
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I think KLSe can't move much as the most of the index is linked to GLC and probably UMNO crony counters. All supported by EPF I guess.
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we fall the least if you compared to regional countries
so be glad with it, lol |
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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 20 2007, 11:48 AM) I think KLSe can't move much as the most of the index is linked to GLC and probably UMNO crony counters. All supported by EPF I guess. Yeah.All they need to do is see how the market response in the first hour of trading and then start entering the market by supporting those counter with the largest market cap such as Maybank, IOICORP, Genting, etc. |
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The market makes me wanna puke!
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but, we also rise the least compare with regional market when bull.
Added on November 20, 2007, 12:12 pm QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 20 2007, 11:48 AM) good on ioicorp. But, what make u so confidence it will be green tom ? ThanksThis post has been edited by a6meister: Nov 20 2007, 12:12 PM |
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he has his magical crystal ball to guide him
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HK market seen recovering slightly now.
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QUOTE(a6meister @ Nov 20 2007, 12:10 PM) but, we also rise the least compare with regional market when bull. make it green tomorrow..... few day ago up to 7.6o did sell... now very regret alreadi...... sad sad sad... should buy more?Added on November 20, 2007, 12:12 pm good on ioicorp. But, what make u so confidence it will be green tom ? Thanks |
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update a little bit...
tomolo MAYBULK Q3 financial report will be out |
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cpi report of malaysia is due tomorrow at 5pm. Will it give any impact to the bourse? lets see.
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The only way to play this market is to hit and run, even tho' if it's only a couple of hundred ringgit. Don't hope for thousands. IF on a downtrend, better to cut losses fast and pick up again when it goes lower.
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Hi Guy,
Anyone here use online trading? Which your think is best to use (like more user friendly, more tool to anaylize ...etc..) Maybank vs HLB vs CIMB? |
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QUOTE(jeffchin @ Nov 20 2007, 12:55 PM) Hi Guy, I'm using RHBInvest for online trading. You can open trial account to look around. Anyone here use online trading? Which your think is best to use (like more user friendly, more tool to anaylize ...etc..) Maybank vs HLB vs CIMB? RHBInvest interface almost same like Maybank. I also hv maybank but nvr try their online trading. Frm my experience got few times I cannot login to maybank online share during trading hours. Fed up ady so now using RHB. Just my 2 cent... |
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QUOTE(Ninjitsu @ Nov 20 2007, 12:48 PM) The only way to play this market is to hit and run, even tho' if it's only a couple of hundred ringgit. Don't hope for thousands. IF on a downtrend, better to cut losses fast and pick up again when it goes lower. Yeah....Don't be so greedy like me....end up holding the counters This market is soooooo.... immatured. |
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I feel that RHB online stock tracking is a mite slower than Apex Online.
Anyway, I'm also using RHB to monitor stocks. |
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DJ Futures : +65.00
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should rebound
U.S cant stand to fell below 13K benchmark for too long, not a good sign be happy guys, Futures : 65 + 2 = 67.00 now |
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Nikkei has turned positive now.
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Nikkei 225 is rebounding, too
green zone now |
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Wow! Shanghai & Taiwan have turned green too!
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rebound rebound.....time to grab again before 4pm...hehehehhee
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Nov 20 2007, 01:54 PM) Minor rebound only. Those buying today might be able to sell tomorrow. The day after that......Added on November 20, 2007, 2:07 pmWonder if today DJ can go up 300++ pts This post has been edited by jasontoh: Nov 20 2007, 02:07 PM |
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dun think so...my predict will go lower until this week... |
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singapore rebounded as well! wat's gonna happen to us????
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not soo soon, i guess bear is still in the atmosphera.
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Yea! Yea!
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Nov 20 2007, 02:17 PM) The Futures information also tak boleh harap one. Everytime Futures says Green for DJ, the next morning see Reddish. yeah... at 4 pm see the future green then by the time the DJ open become red again.. just like pasang perangkap for us to buy..buy... buy... then tmr die.. |
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singapore green liao!
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wondering if any of u guys there noticed that lately super thin volume traded(in terms of value) yesterday only about 1.2B, seldom see lower than 1.6B. i think today also about the same only. anyone here can comment a little on volume(value) traded? got analysis based on it ar?
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singapore +24.93
sapcres back to 1.61....phew.... |
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1st in my history!!! all my favorite counter is red color......... dont want to monitor till 4pm.
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Woah!!! Within 4 min klci from -19 points become -14 points.
Just saw the hkex graph for hong kong market. The graph shot up 90 degress http://www.hkex.com.hk/index.htm This post has been edited by xtreme82: Nov 20 2007, 02:37 PM |
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wat???? HK -7++ now +ve!!!!!!!!!!!
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i m waiting for Pbbank to go down, it is quite strong one.
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QUOTE(xtreme82 @ Nov 20 2007, 03:35 PM) Woah!!! Within 4 min klci from -19 points become -14 points. ya lao.............Just saw the hkex graph for hong kong market. The graph shot up 90 degress http://www.hkex.com.hk/index.htm just now , who brought hk cw ho seiiiiiiiiii now sure untung sayang , me no bullets liooooooooooooooo |
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told ya sure rebound. But long term if drop 4 days, rebound one day sure net result is rugi.
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market now start to drop back again
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Oooo...
Rebound liao... Nice timing... I just finish kueh tiao mee goreng... IOI push... Genting push... |
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ioi and genting double push push up
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woohoo....
IOI 7.35 liao |
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QUOTE(beginner @ Nov 20 2007, 02:30 PM) wondering if any of u guys there noticed that lately super thin volume traded(in terms of value) yesterday only about 1.2B, seldom see lower than 1.6B. i think today also about the same only. anyone here can comment a little on volume(value) traded? got analysis based on it ar? 2 yrs ago, volume average 300m- 400m a day only! |
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when want to rebound den pick up some good counters lo...hahahah
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good good good
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DOW FUTURES
VALUE 13,086.00 CHANGE 93.00 %CHANGE 0.72 This post has been edited by c0c0nut: Nov 20 2007, 02:56 PM |
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 20 2007, 11:41 AM) let's predict how DJ gonna perform tonight at DJ 12,9xx-13,000, there is a strong support based on technical view. Aug also drop at this level then bounced off, also last week. But it breaks, technically more downside ahead.DJ broke the 13K barrier last night if no bad news or bad financial reports i guess there might be a small rebound tonight last Tuesday DJ closed at +3xx i hope the history will repeat QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Nov 20 2007, 02:17 PM) The Futures information also tak boleh harap one. Everytime Futures says Green for DJ, the next morning see Reddish. Futures only good for the opening indicator, when market open, it is the other way round, futures follow the cash market movement.Market rebound (in Japan) because of a news of $1.8 billion bid led by a U.S. buyout firm to buy nearly one-third of midsize lender Shinsei Bank Ltd. This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 20 2007, 02:57 PM |
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yeah more downside....but take the rebound to reduce loss when cut loss...i think those holding too much can cut loss lo...loss 100-200 ok ok la...
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Yesterday they were too paranoia cause downgrading of Citi Group. They are concerned but this dont affect Malaysia anyway.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 20 2007, 02:55 PM) at DJ 12,9xx-13,000, there is a strong support based on technical view. Aug also drop at this level then bounced off, also last week. But it breaks, technically more downside ahead. ohh, i see!hopefully the nightmare is over congratz for those who enter just now, you made a quick bucks here! those not yet enter, better stay out & watch, not wise to chase for high price |
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Lowest was before lunch for hk cw. Anyone who bought and sell before the spike ends ho sei lah. lowest for hsi-c3 i saw was 0.195 and latest i saw was 0.245. Ho sei...
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IOI back to 7.25 liao... zzzzzz
I dont think there's much to worry about. I think Gov already participate in holding KLSE liao. Seeing those bluechips like IOICORP and LIONDIV so active... This post has been edited by kapitan: Nov 20 2007, 03:03 PM |
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going down again!
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Cherroy, Pana,
Can we just buy Pbbank-01 just like buying normal share?? Will it entitle for dividend just like Pbbank?? |
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Nov 20 2007, 03:04 PM) Cherroy, Pana, Drop from 11.60 now you want buy issit?Can we just buy Pbbank-01 just like buying normal share?? Will it entitle for dividend just like Pbbank?? I find it strange that PBB-01 is much much higher than PBB.. MISC and MISC-01 only seperated by 10-20cent nia. |
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QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 20 2007, 03:07 PM) Drop from 11.60 now you want buy issit? When the foreign shares is higher than local one, it means foreigners like to have it, when foreigners 'cabut' time like 1998, the foreign shares is significant lower than local one. Last time I bought time, foreign one discount about 70-80cents, that's the reason I bought that time, you get cheaper price with the same stock, why not.I find it strange that PBB-01 is much much higher than PBB.. MISC and MISC-01 only seperated by 10-20cent nia. This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 20 2007, 03:10 PM |
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Wooh......HSI rebounding strongly. Wanna turn green liao.
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woohoo, green liao! in less than 1 min's time!!!
HANG SENG, come on, next target, break the 29K benchmark!!! |
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CNOOC, come on my boy
go back to your glorious day |
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HSI came back from -1000 pts to +10. Simply marvellous!
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aiyah hang seng drop again
lai lai, stand firm your legs, and |
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Gong xi to all HK CW holder ... at last we can smile a bit ...
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ghosh dun tell me this cycle is going to be true!
Futures : +91.00 that's exactly like what's happening in the past Tuesday / Wednesday! |
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...9AlQ&refer=home
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 20 2007, 03:49 PM) ghosh dun tell me this cycle is going to be true! Last week, I went in for Gamuda, the next day it goes up to 4.36, but din sell. In the end, I have to keep. I believe this will be the trend at the moment. Down few days then up one day.Futures : +91.00 that's exactly like what's happening in the past Tuesday / Wednesday! |
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may i know where do u monitor the Futures ?
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guys, U.S market will be closed on this coming Thursday (Thanks Giving Day)
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market is on the uptrend now
if you are expecting market (HSI) to go up 1,000 pts tomolo, you may do a betting by buying HKEX-C3 i have monitored this counter since last week, when HSI up, it can jump atleast 20 cents a day max jump is 2 days only buy HKEX-C3 irregardless of its premium purely based on speculation, hit & run style, today buy, tomorrow sell |
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oh...yes i love hit and run....few time kena tangkap too...hahahha
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 20 2007, 04:07 PM) market is on the uptrend now wahhif you are expecting market (HSI) to go up 1,000 pts tomolo, you may do a betting by buying HKEX-C3 i have monitored this counter since last week, when HSI up, it can jump atleast 20 cents a day max jump is 2 days only buy HKEX-C3 irregardless of its premium purely based on speculation, hit & run style, today buy, tomorrow sell me wanna buy HKEX-c4 |
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Nov 20 2007, 04:15 PM
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HKEX-C3 suddenly shot up as you speak.
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Nov 20 2007, 04:16 PM
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what about hsi-c2, hsi-c1 rebound strongly. Managed to sold all my google-c1 and earn a little bit.. wait for it to drop to this morning price, then only will buy again....
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Nov 20 2007, 04:20 PM
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Europe open in Green
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KLCI wan GREEN GREEN
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 20 2007, 04:26 PM) No, the japan issue of one bank being target for a sginficant stake by one US buyout firm spark the rebound.The housing start is expected to the still hovering at decade low point for tongiht, so if better than expected then can see some rally, if not, prepared for more downside. But having said that 12,9xx at DJ is a quite crucial support line. |
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Nov 20 2007, 04:39 PM
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USD declined against Euro, think Fed will cut rate again
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wats up with FCW??? anyone???
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QUOTE(a6meister @ Nov 20 2007, 04:38 PM) well, until now, i guess the housing report is not a significant indicator. By the way, how is your portfolio doing today, panasonic ? my portfolio gonna take some time (probably weeks or months) to recover from loses to gain, so current stage, nothing to shout about yet QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 20 2007, 04:39 PM) The housing start is expected to the still hovering at decade low point for tongiht, so if better than expected then can see some rally, if not, prepared for more downside. But having said that 12,9xx at DJ is a quite crucial support line. em is the Futures trying to tell us something? |
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Let us see whether Sapcres can perform today and tomorrow
Pana, If Sapcres suddenly fly, then maybe your dream will come true This post has been edited by jasontoh: Nov 20 2007, 04:48 PM |
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Nov 20 2007, 04:48 PM
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sapcres 1.64! +0.01 wat a U-TURN!
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QUOTE(verbatim @ Nov 20 2007, 04:41 PM) Restructuring plan. Will be suspended on 27 Nov until relist on 08 Jan 2008. http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/listed_c...s/announcements |
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my dialog also great U-turn...but dialog more stable....so i seldom monitor one! just worried bout sapcres
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 20 2007, 04:48 PM) Until 8-9pm, the futures indicator currently far from conclusive, as when US market trader 'wake up' and start to trade. Then only can tell how US market will open. i see, tonight gonna be a crucial momentbut i no scare la, be it go up or go down i am not buying anything for the moment pun QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 20 2007, 04:47 PM) Let us see whether Sapcres can perform today and tomorrow Pana, If Sapcres suddenly fly, then maybe your dream will come true QUOTE(kinwawa @ Nov 20 2007, 04:48 PM) QUOTE(sharesa @ Nov 20 2007, 04:49 PM) lol 4 SAPCRES kaki detected |
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Sold 1lot Genting @ 7.85, made 0.15cent...
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 20 2007, 04:53 PM) i see, tonight gonna be a crucial moment I wanna discard Sapcres asap ler....Coz this one will be the lowest paying dividend counter I have in handbut i no scare la, be it go up or go down i am not buying anything for the moment pun lol 4 SAPCRES kaki detected |
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Nov 20 2007, 05:01 PM
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actually me too
been holding SAPCRES for months i have other better & long term counters in mind now |
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sapcres 1.65 +0.02!!!! Can u believe it???????
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Phew, today no gain, no loss. Feel a bit relieved, this morning was feeling horrible.
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Not a bad day but IOICORP really jia lat la... no ommpphhh like Genting...
Gov really smart le... KLCI recover during the last few minutes and shares like AFG, TopGlove, Sapcres, WCT, BJTOTO, HLB etc went up and lift the index a few more points... |
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Nov 20 2007, 05:04 PM
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Dont worry, tonite DJ futures show GREENNNN
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Nov 20 2007, 05:09 PM
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Hold your horses. Euro marts turning red.
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Nov 20 2007, 05:01 PM) I can....if you say SAPCRES 2.65 +1.02, then I will rub my eyes and see again to double confirmAdded on November 20, 2007, 5:11 pm QUOTE(Ninjitsu @ Nov 20 2007, 05:09 PM) There goes our green day tomorrowThis post has been edited by jasontoh: Nov 20 2007, 05:11 PM |
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hahhaa...u all scared me liao leh...i just started buying sapcres 1st time and u all were saying wanna get rid of it! Hhahaa...dowan to wait until it goreng meh????
anyway...which dividen paying shares worth keeping for long term??? err...those less than RM5.00 one got ar? |
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today my 9 hk cw all GREEN
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Nov 20 2007, 05:13 PM) hahhaa...u all scared me liao leh...i just started buying sapcres 1st time and u all were saying wanna get rid of it! Hhahaa...dowan to wait until it goreng meh???? More than 1 countersanyway...which dividen paying shares worth keeping for long term??? err...those less than RM5.00 one got ar? |
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wah looking at you guys, if i want a good night sleep, canot buy HK-CW.
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Nov 20 2007, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Nov 20 2007, 05:13 PM) hahhaa...u all scared me liao leh...i just started buying sapcres 1st time and u all were saying wanna get rid of it! Hhahaa...dowan to wait until it goreng meh???? high dividend pay counter below 5.00anyway...which dividen paying shares worth keeping for long term??? err...those less than RM5.00 one got ar? can consider BJTOTO & MAYBULK QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 20 2007, 05:16 PM) that's the lovely partand especially if you are buying in volume |
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Nov 20 2007, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 20 2007, 05:22 PM) CW not that simple...If buy high profile ones, may drop more than 10-15% 1 day. Those ones really need good holding power and good TP to sell once reach target lo. As mentioned in previous post, hit and run. I never keep CW more than 1 day unless drop damn kao like HSI-C3. Manage to break even then fast fast let go and see tommorrow situation. |
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next time portfolio must be 90% blue chip 10% warrant.
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Nov 20 2007, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 20 2007, 05:16 PM) Up and down significantly will be the syndicate and trader haven, (if got it right, off course lah) no up and down, stagnant one, syndicate and speculators don't like it at all. Like those blue chips, always stagnant one, people complain cannot move (but actually in longer term, it moves quite signficantly also), so no interest to buy. While like those 'goreng' one can move significantly in just a few days, then complain too hard to monitor. (no offence, just try to explain some mentality of the people) Hard to please everyone, right? Actually for those playing CW, you must monitor the mothershare movement as well. If mothershare doesn't move, while CW run like crazy, then surely it is doomed. So better watch carefully about the premium, too high premium generally will lead to losses only. QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 20 2007, 05:22 PM) May be you got plenty of 'oil' so can 'burn' longer. I did manage to grab some reit today as well. This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 20 2007, 05:35 PM |
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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 20 2007, 05:29 PM) yup, that's one of my target too QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 20 2007, 05:31 PM) yah i got a big tangki of oil behind, kekeke |
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lemme update the Futures once again before i go home
hmmm Futures drop significant : +52.00 hope everything is o'rite |
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Stocks poised to bounce back
Futures gain strength after bargain hunters lead Asian stocks higher, HP posts strong quarterly results. LONDON (CNNMoney.com) -- U.S. stock futures rose Tuesday as investors eyed gains in overseas stocks and upbeat results from HP ahead of the release of the minutes from the Federal Reserve's last meeting. Stocks in Asia mounted a sharp turnaround to finish the session higher. The rally helped lift European markets in the early going and could give Wall Street a boost at the open. Tech stocks are likely to lead the advance, helped by HP (Charts, Fortune 500), which reported a surge in quarterly profit after the market close Monday. In the broader market, U.S. investors are anxiously awaiting the minutes from the Fed's Oct. 31 meeting, due out at 2 p.m. ET. Before that report comes out, they'll take in readings on October housing starts and building permits. Stocks to watch Tuesday include Target (Charts, Fortune 500), Freddie Mac (Charts, Fortune 500), Tyson (Charts, Fortune 500) and Medtronic (Charts, Fortune 500). |
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QUOTE(andy888 @ Nov 20 2007, 05:51 PM) Stocks poised to bounce back Did i just time travelled back OCT 31st?Futures gain strength after bargain hunters lead Asian stocks higher, HP posts strong quarterly results. LONDON (CNNMoney.com) -- U.S. stock futures rose Tuesday as investors eyed gains in overseas stocks and upbeat results from HP ahead of the release of the minutes from the Federal Reserve's last meeting. Stocks in Asia mounted a sharp turnaround to finish the session higher. The rally helped lift European markets in the early going and could give Wall Street a boost at the open. Tech stocks are likely to lead the advance, helped by HP (Charts, Fortune 500), which reported a surge in quarterly profit after the market close Monday. In the broader market, U.S. investors are anxiously awaiting the minutes from the Fed's Oct. 31 meeting, due out at 2 p.m. ET. Before that report comes out, they'll take in readings on October housing starts and building permits. Stocks to watch Tuesday include Target (Charts, Fortune 500), Freddie Mac (Charts, Fortune 500), Tyson (Charts, Fortune 500) and Medtronic (Charts, Fortune 500). |
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 19 2007, 11:44 PM) Agree cutting loss is a method for those with limited cash. But for me, since those counters that I've got has strong fundamental, going back up is just a matter of time. In the meantime, just take those dividend as a reward. What to do? It's not everyday you can double your earning cut loss when there is a better deal .... if you know a stock is for sure will drop for another 2 months, why not just cut loss now and buy 2 months later. there is no room to doubt cut loss strategy, only doubt how to know if a stock will continously go down for how long.QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 20 2007, 05:29 PM) should use different accounts to trade stocks and warrant. trading warrants with intraday account is quite an exciting game .... and only do it when you have the time.Added on November 20, 2007, 6:32 pmanyone got burn by Digi ? see Digi very cham suddenly kena kau kau on this deal ... This post has been edited by mtsen: Nov 20 2007, 06:32 PM |
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Hi cherroy and fellow sifus ... need help to understand PE .... again
Maybank 13.80 AFFIN 14.56 HLBANK 14.86 but PBBANK 20.35 so base on this PE alone, PBBANK is not as attractive as other banks, is this induction correct ? Added on November 20, 2007, 6:47 pm QUOTE(sinclairZX81 @ Nov 20 2007, 06:43 PM) not gorent lah ... Digi is forced to reduce precentage, then Digi bought Time 3G, now Minister said Time cannot sell 3G to Digi but Digi already paid Time !?so today very cham, big correction ... I have seen many technical correction but this one is quite a big joke in biz world I think ... This post has been edited by mtsen: Nov 20 2007, 06:47 PM |
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QUOTE Added on November 20, 2007, 6:47 pm not gorent lah ... Digi is forced to reduce precentage, then Digi bought Time 3G, now Minister said Time cannot sell 3G to Digi but Digi already paid Time !? so today very cham, big correction ... I have seen many technical correction but this one is quite a big joke in biz world I think ... where can i read more? today DIGI price dropped, i thought that was because the price has been go all time high since last Thursday, when the news of DIGI buying 3G license from TIMECOM was out, so it is pretty normal, i didn't know there is such a news! This post has been edited by panasonic88: Nov 20 2007, 07:07 PM |
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before going out for my dinner
Futures update : +78.00 stay postive |
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Nov 20 2007, 05:13 PM) hahhaa...u all scared me liao leh...i just started buying sapcres 1st time and u all were saying wanna get rid of it! Hhahaa...dowan to wait until it goreng meh???? I'm not selling Sapcres until it touches at least 2.50. They have contracts awarded but profits can only be reflected within the next 2 years. Besides, they have other bids for future contracts. I heard goreng Target price is 3.00 but I'm satisfied with 2.50.anyway...which dividen paying shares worth keeping for long term??? err...those less than RM5.00 one got ar? |
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guys wat u think of the new ipo of aeon credit?
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QUOTE(mtsen @ Nov 20 2007, 06:45 PM) Hi cherroy and fellow sifus ... need help to understand PE .... again For PBBank the reason why the PE is higher is due to them entering china market, so they are expected to grow even bigger. And their EPS growth is more than maybanks which is roughly stagnant.Maybank 13.80 AFFIN 14.56 HLBANK 14.86 but PBBANK 20.35 so base on this PE alone, PBBANK is not as attractive as other banks, is this induction correct ? Added on November 20, 2007, 6:47 pm not gorent lah ... Digi is forced to reduce precentage, then Digi bought Time 3G, now Minister said Time cannot sell 3G to Digi but Digi already paid Time !? so today very cham, big correction ... I have seen many technical correction but this one is quite a big joke in biz world I think ... For maybank , GLC , my guess is most of the revenue are local, and depend a lot on government so they cannot have too high of a PE cause i don't think investors will pay a premium for it. This post has been edited by Drian: Nov 20 2007, 07:26 PM |
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can any1 explain to me wat does it mean? i cant get it
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QUOTE(mtsen @ Nov 20 2007, 06:45 PM) Added on November 20, 2007, 6:47 pm not gorent lah ... Digi is forced to reduce precentage, then Digi bought Time 3G, now Minister said Time cannot sell 3G to Digi but Digi already paid Time !? so today very cham, big correction ... I have seen many technical correction but this one is quite a big joke in biz world I think ... |
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Nov 20 2007, 07:14 PM) I'm not selling Sapcres until it touches at least 2.50. They have contracts awarded but profits can only be reflected within the next 2 years. Besides, they have other bids for future contracts. I heard goreng Target price is 3.00 but I'm satisfied with 2.50. I wanna sell Sapcres......if Pana's dream come true |
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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 20 2007, 07:20 PM) For PBBank the reason why the PE is higher is due to them entering china market, so they are expected to grow even bigger. And their EPS growth is more than maybanks which is roughly stagnant. PE is a financial calculation only, it does not uniquely give a rating to a company.For maybank , GLC , my guess is most of the revenue are local, and depend a lot on government so they cannot have too high of a PE cause i don't think investors will pay a premium for it. Commerz too have high PE about same as Pbbank. Both are much better compared to MBB and other banks |
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QUOTE(mtsen @ Nov 20 2007, 06:31 PM) cut loss when there is a better deal .... if you know a stock is for sure will drop for another 2 months, why not just cut loss now and buy 2 months later. there is no room to doubt cut loss strategy, only doubt how to know if a stock will continously go down for how long. That is the reason why I won't cut loss...since we don't know whether we are seeing bottom or there's more to come. Or suddenly it will bounce back.should use different accounts to trade stocks and warrant. trading warrants with intraday account is quite an exciting game .... and only do it when you have the time. |
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I think i will start to sell off all my share and get the cash better, next year the processing fees is RM 40... how to play?
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 20 2007, 08:40 PM) Now you still hold or buy some more is around rm12....+ next yr is rm52 gone, but if u buy next year and sell ?? Next yr minimum is RM40 stamp duty ?Then we small timer how to play?? so kau lat one ah???? KLSE intention is to kick out small timer is it??? This post has been edited by chinkw1: Nov 20 2007, 08:48 PM |
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QUOTE(mtsen @ Nov 20 2007, 06:45 PM) not gorent lah ... Digi is forced to reduce precentage, then Digi bought Time 3G, now Minister said Time cannot sell 3G to Digi but Digi already paid Time !? Where did you hear about this news, i cant seem to find anything about itso today very cham, big correction ... I have seen many technical correction but this one is quite a big joke in biz world I think ... This post has been edited by hexen7: Nov 20 2007, 08:49 PM |
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wow, Magnum gets 3.45/share buyout offer. Panasonic, you must be smiling now.
Added on November 20, 2007, 9:00 pmWonderful, Hap Seng giving out special dividend 0.46/share ,so happy ! This post has been edited by sharesa: Nov 20 2007, 09:00 PM |
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Nov 20 2007, 07:14 PM) I'm not selling Sapcres until it touches at least 2.50. They have contracts awarded but profits can only be reflected within the next 2 years. Besides, they have other bids for future contracts. I heard goreng Target price is 3.00 but I'm satisfied with 2.50. wow, this price is so near to my dream QUOTE(sharesa @ Nov 20 2007, 08:53 PM) wow, Magnum gets 3.45/share buyout offer. Panasonic, you must be smiling now. ahhh i wanna buy HAP SENGAdded on November 20, 2007, 9:00 pmWonderful, Hap Seng giving out special dividend 0.46/share ,so happy ! when is the ex-date? by the way, i sold my MAGNUM liao |
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ah i found it, HAPSENG (3034)
today closed at 2.99 QUOTE EX-date :03/12/2007 Entitlement date :05/12/2007 Entitlement time :04:00:00 PM Entitlement subject :Special Dividend Entitlement in RM (RM) :0.46 Entitlement description: Special interim dividend of 41.0 sen per ordinary share of RM1.00 each less 26% income tax and a special interim tax exempt dividend of 5.0 sen per ordinary share of RM1.00 each in respect of financial year ending 31 January 2008 |
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you have how many HAPSENG? pretty good dividend, which means for every 1000 shares, you will get RM 303.40 + RM 50.00 = RM 353.40 |
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 20 2007, 09:10 PM) wow, this price is so near to my dream sold your Magnum already-kah, sayang ler..... anyway, can go for others .ahhh i wanna buy HAP SENG when is the ex-date? by the way, i sold my MAGNUM liao Ex-date: 3 Dec Pay date: 14 Dec 0.41 less 26% tax, 0.05 tax exempt Added on November 20, 2007, 9:26 pm QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 20 2007, 09:22 PM) @sharesa bought 3000 shares @ 3.24you have how many HAPSENG? pretty good dividend, which means for every 1000 shares, you will get RM 303.40 + RM 50.00 = RM 353.40 This post has been edited by sharesa: Nov 20 2007, 09:26 PM |
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Nov 20 2007, 09:22 PM) sold your Magnum already-kah, sayang ler..... anyway, can go for others . yaya i saw the info in KLSE page liaoEx-date: 3 Dec Pay date: 14 Dec 0.41 less 26% tax, 0.05 tax exempt Added on November 20, 2007, 9:26 pm bought 3000 shares @ 3.24 maybe i'll buy 3000 shares too |
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QUOTE(mtsen @ Nov 20 2007, 06:45 PM) Hi cherroy and fellow sifus ... need help to understand PE .... again Maybank 13.80 AFFIN 14.56 HLBANK 14.86 but PBBANK 20.35 so base on this PE alone, PBBANK is not as attractive as other banks, is this induction correct ? QUOTE(Orca111 @ Nov 20 2007, 08:34 PM) PE is a financial calculation only, it does not uniquely give a rating to a company. You guys/gals are getting old and not updated data for comparison. You get 20 PE with last year full financial report, but not the lastest quarterly 9up to 9 months now) Commerz too have high PE about same as Pbbank. Both are much better compared to MBB and other banks Based on Pbbank lastest Q result, its annualised EPS will be 65 cents (16.2 cents for the latest Q), at Rm10.50, it translates about 16.1x, while Commerz, if annualised is around 10+ PE only, (discussed it before) It is about market future expectation and quality of the company that are several reasons that dictate whether market willing to pay a premium on it especially Pbbank, it never posted losses for any financial year even during 1997 financial crisis (still manage to post although it is just a relative small amount of profit while others making significant losses due to quality the loan at that time). You need to look at the quality of the company or in term quality of their business to determine which is more worthful. At the same PE, you want to buy Pbbank or Affin? (no disrepect or offence though) simple question that you also know the answer. This is one of the disadvantage of investing in GLCs, market often (although not necessary) discounting a bit on those company, due to political or efficiency etc as well as historical reason. PE is not just a financial calculation, it is quite an important number to look at for a stock valuation, although it doesn't represent the whole picture, it is one of the important puzzle to look at. After all, investment is about return rate each time, PE gives you one of the clue. |
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updating on Futures : +57.00
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Nov 20 2007, 07:14 PM) I'm not selling Sapcres until it touches at least 2.50. They have contracts awarded but profits can only be reflected within the next 2 years. Besides, they have other bids for future contracts. I heard goreng Target price is 3.00 but I'm satisfied with 2.50. I think you play the wrong game with the market. Stock market is not behaving like that. Stock market is always try to behave in front or for the future expectation. When good news come out, like being awarded big contract, share price will shoot up because market expect it to make big profit from it (as you expected/said), so at that time share price shoot up to reflect the positive factor (future profit) into it already. At that time, the share price is 'price in the positive factor already. So afterwards, company does report as market expected then share price won't have much movement when they announce the financial report unless it reported better than market expectation. Typical example would be IOI or Commerz recently, when announced significant profit rise compared to last year, but share price hardly move much at the day of annoucement, why? because market already expected or anitcipate it already and share few months ago already rise signficantly, not waiting until they finally announced it. In fact, if IOI reported 50% rise in profit rather than 70% rise as market anticipated, share price probably will drop rather than rise. I am not saying Sapcres cannot reach or will reach the targe price or not, as whatever mentioned in above has nothing to do with specific Sapcres anyway(this is not my intention also), just try to highlight about how market plays with news and expectation related to share prices. There is also one part of reason buy on rumour, sell on news theory. This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 20 2007, 10:04 PM |
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^ ohh, i learned something today
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 20 2007, 09:50 PM) I think you play the wrong game with the market. I believe when a company really starting to make profit, they will give out dividend...and also the price will eventually appreciate and when that happens, you will see that whether market going up or down is none of your business, because you actually made money out of the countersStock market is not behaving like that. Stock market is always try to behave in front or for the future expectation. When good news come out, like being awarded big contract, share price will shoot up because market expect it to make big profit from it (as you expected/said), so at that time share price shoot up to reflect the positive factor (future profit) into it already. At that time, the share price is 'price in the positive factor already. So afterwards, company does report as market expected then share price won't have much movement when they announce the financial report unless it reported better than market expectation. Typical example would be IOI or Commerz recently, when announced significant profit rise compared to last year, but share price hardly move much, why? because market already expected or anitcipate it already and share few months ago already rise signficantly, not waiting until they finally announced it. In fact, if IOI reported 50% rise in profit rather than 70% rise as market anticipated, share price probably will drop rather than rise. I am not saying Sapcres cannot reach or will reach the targe price or not, as whatever mentioned in above has nothing to do with specific Sapcres anyway(this is not my intention also), just try to highlight about how market plays with news and expectation related to share prices. There is also one part of reason buy on rumour, sell on news theory. This post has been edited by jasontoh: Nov 20 2007, 09:57 PM |
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 20 2007, 09:38 PM) Me too.. joining the club as wellwah, 8% dividend payout...so tempting... Btw, Volkswagen and PROTON have ended talk. There will be no partner for PROTON..at moment gua. QUOTE Volkswagen, Proton End Talks, Leaving Malaysian Carmaker Without Partner Malaysia's government ended talks for an alliance between state-owned carmaker Proton Holdings Bhd. and Volkswagen AG, Europe's biggest automaker, fueling concern about the unprofitable Asian company's future. |
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QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Nov 20 2007, 10:02 PM) Me too.. joining the club as well Proton share will go down the drain then.....luckily I don't believe rumuors that VW already signed with PROTONwah, 8% dividend payout...so tempting... Btw, Volkswagen and PROTON have ended talk. There will be no partner for PROTON..at moment gua. Added on November 20, 2007, 10:04 pm QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 20 2007, 10:03 PM) U bought that counters??This post has been edited by jasontoh: Nov 20 2007, 10:04 PM |
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herm y no one explain to me more bout aeon credit listing here
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 20 2007, 10:04 PM) Proton share will go down the drain then.....luckily I don't believe rumuors that VW already signed with PROTON no i didn't, no confident to buyAdded on November 20, 2007, 10:04 pm U bought that counters?? i just read about its article in The Edge, i was thinking will they be another DIGI & TDC case looks like they are not |
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 20 2007, 10:58 PM) like that we buy before it and receive the dividend and we cabut and sell the share , can ??????????i got new on Snergy Drive Synergy Drive reference price set at RM 8.90 per share, based on market capitalisation of 8 participating companies.......... |
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Just an update .... Future +25.00, seems like heading the wrong way
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Nov 20 2007, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE(andy888 @ Nov 20 2007, 10:06 PM) i got new on Snergy Drive eeee, that is not something new Synergy Drive reference price set at RM 8.90 per share, based on market capitalisation of 8 participating companies.......... QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 20 2007, 10:07 PM) uh-oh... |
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 20 2007, 11:07 PM) because of this new la, kacau betul Freddie Has 3rd-Quarter Loss, Seeks to Raise Capital (Update2) Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Freddie Mac, the second-biggest buyer of U.S. mortgages, posted its largest-ever quarterly loss and said it may cut its dividend and raise capital to weather ``significant deterioration'' in the housing market. The shares fell. The $2.02 billion third-quarter loss included $1.2 billion of provisions for credit expenses and a $3.6 billion reduction in the value of assets, the McLean, Virginia-based company said in a statement today. Freddie Mac hired Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. to advise it on capital options. A slump in the value of mortgages reduced core capital to $600 million more than its regulatory requirements, prompting Freddie Mac to seek more money. Fannie Mae, the largest buyer of mortgages, reported on Nov. 9 its loss more than doubled and said home prices will keep falling. Concern that the companies' credit expenses will rise further sent the stocks tumbling in the past four trading days to the lowest in a decade. ``Nothing is going to improve until after the first half,'' said Stuart Plesser, a Standard & Poor's equity analyst in New York. Freddie Mac's ``charge off levels are going to be going up.'' The third-quarter net loss almost tripled to $2.02 billion, or $3.29 a share, from $715 million, or $1.17 a share, a year ago. Credit Suisse Group's Moshe Orenbuch yesterday cut his price estimate on the stock by 34 percent to $45 and said he expected a $1.65 a share loss. Analysts overall predicted a loss of less than 1 cent a share, according to the average estimate of nine analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. Loan Losses Freddie Mac fell $2.62, or 7 percent, to $34.88 in early New York Stock Exchange trading, extending a drop that saw the stock decline 16 percent in four trading days as concern over credit losses grew. Fannie Mae dropped 6.1 percent. The shares had fallen 24 percent since Nov. 13 after Fortune magazine reported the Washington-based company changed its accounting for credit losses, potentially understating the extent of the damage. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac own or guarantee about 40 percent of the $11.5 trillion U.S. home loan market. Congress created the companies to increase mortgage financing by buying loans from lenders. They profit by holding mortgages and mortgage bonds as investments and by charging a fee to guarantee and package loans as securities. They see losses when defaults rise. Foreclosure filings doubled to 223,538 in September from a year earlier as subprime borrowers struggled to make payments on adjustable-rate mortgages, RealtyTrac Inc. said last month. Home prices in 20 U.S. metropolitan areas dropped 4.4 percent in the 12 months that ended August, an eighth consecutive decline and the most in at least six years, according to the latest S&P/Case-Shiller home-price index, also released in October. Fannie Mae Earnings Banks and securities firms worldwide have already reported about $50 billion in losses from subprime mortgages, loans given to borrowers with weak credit that have been defaulting at a record pace. The total damage may reach $400 billion, Deutsche Bank analysts said last week. Fannie Mae's third-quarter net loss more than doubled to $1.39 billion because of mortgage delinquencies. The loss was caused by a $2.24 billion decline in the value of derivative contracts and $1.2 billion in credit losses among the $2.7 trillion of mortgage assets Fannie Mae owns or guarantees. Fannie Mae Chief Executive Officer Daniel Mudd said the housing market the average price of homes may fall as much as 4 percent in 2008, causing Fannie Mae's loan loss ratio to potentially more than double to 10 basis points. Fortune magazine on Nov. 13 reported that the company's credit losses may be higher than they appear, causing the stock to tumble. Capital Requirements Freddie Mac on Aug. 30 reported that its second-quarter profit fell 45 percent as it set aside $320 million for credit losses. Chief Financial Officer Anthony Piszel at the time predicted the drag on profits from defaults would rise in 2008. The company's capital in excess of its current minimum regulatory requirement fell by $1.2 billion from June 30 to $600 million on Sept. 30. Freddie Mac's required capital level is 30 percent larger than what would typically be required as the company recovers from accounting mistakes revealed in 2003. February Filing The announcement today is the third regular quarterly release in five years. The company stopped providing earnings after disclosing in 2003 that it understated two years of results by $5 billion. Freddie Mac plans in February to file results for all of 2007. Since revelations of the accounting errors, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight has required the company to curb growth, set aside 30 percent more capital than usual and overhaul accounting, internal controls and governance. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have been constrained from buying mortgages because of restrictions imposed last year. Ofheo in September loosened limits on the government-chartered companies' holdings, in an effort to ease a housing slump that's caused other mortgage investors to retreat. Freddie Mac's portfolio of mortgages and related securities was $703.1 billion in October. |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 20 2007, 09:50 PM) I think you play the wrong game with the market. hnmm... yes & no.Stock market is not behaving like that. Stock market is always try to behave in front or for the future expectation. When good news come out, like being awarded big contract, share price will shoot up because market expect it to make big profit from it (as you expected/said), so at that time share price shoot up to reflect the positive factor (future profit) into it already. At that time, the share price is 'price in the positive factor already. So afterwards, company does report as market expected then share price won't have much movement when they announce the financial report unless it reported better than market expectation. Typical example would be IOI or Commerz recently, when announced significant profit rise compared to last year, but share price hardly move much, why? because market already expected or anitcipate it already and share few months ago already rise signficantly, not waiting until they finally announced it. In fact, if IOI reported 50% rise in profit rather than 70% rise as market anticipated, share price probably will drop rather than rise. I am not saying Sapcres cannot reach or will reach the targe price or not, as whatever mentioned in above has nothing to do with specific Sapcres anyway(this is not my intention also), just try to highlight about how market plays with news and expectation related to share prices. There is also one part of reason buy on rumour, sell on news theory. Yes , I agree to what you have explained but I feel this applies in a hot and bull market. No , because I experienced with Sunrise 2 yrs ago, I bought @ 1.78 during market was slow at that time . Though they reported solid unbilled sales >500million which was to be reflected 1-2 yrs later, the share price moved only sideways! (so disappointed at that time). Then, 1 year later, they reported increase in net profits due to those sales reported earlier, share price bounced up & up,,.....well into today @3.30+. |
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more highlights on VW & PROTON
QUOTE VOLKSWAGEN ENDS PROTON TALKS WITH MALAYSIA, WILL EXAMINE OTHER OPTIONS 20-Nov-2007 18:05:00 WOLFSBURG, Germany (Thomson Financial) - Volkswagen AG said it terminated talks to form a partnership with Malaysian national carmaker Proton Holdings Bhd. The German carmaker will examine other options in the ASEAN region, which comprises southeast Asian countries including Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines, according to a Volkswagen statement. will PROTON shares go down drastically on tomolo This post has been edited by panasonic88: Nov 20 2007, 10:13 PM |
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U.S. Housing Starts Unexpectedly Climb in October (Update3)
By Bob Willis Enlarge Image/Details Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Housing starts in the U.S. unexpectedly rose in October as a jump in work on condominium projects outstripped the weakest construction of single-family homes in 16 years. Builders broke ground on 1.229 million homes at an annual rate last month, up 3 percent from September, the Commerce Department said in Washington today. Construction of single- family homes fell 7.3 percent to the lowest since October 1991. Multifamily home building surged 44 percent. Sales of single-family homes are dropping as potential buyers wait for prices to fall even more and some banks make it more difficult to get mortgages. Demand is declining as fast as construction, preventing builders from trimming inventories and suggesting the real-estate recession will linger into 2008. ``All of us are ratcheting down our expectations for the bottom of the housing sector and I don't think we're there yet,'' said David Resler, chief economist at Nomura Securities International Inc. in New York. Building permits, a gauge of future construction, fell 6.6 percent to a 1.178 pace, the lowest since 1993. Treasury notes gained after the report, while the dollar remained near a record low against the euro. Exceeding Estimates Starts were projected to fall to a 1.17 million unit pace, from an originally reported 1.191 million in September, according to the median forecast of 75 economists polled by Bloomberg News. Estimates ranged from 1.05 million to 1.25 million. Permits were forecast to drop to a 1.2 million pace, according to the survey median, with projections ranging from 1.1 million to 1.324 million. Construction of single-family homes dropped to an 884,000 pace while work on multifamily homes rose to a 345,000 annual rate. The increase in starts was led by a 21 percent jump in the Midwest. Construction rose 8.5 percent in the Northeast and 5.8 percent in the West. Starts fell 4.6 percent in the South. A report yesterday added to evidence that housing was far from recovery. The National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo confidence index held at a record low of 19 in November. Toll Brothers Inc., the largest U.S. luxury homebuilder, said Nov. 8 that fourth-quarter revenue fell 36 percent and the cancellation rate rose to the highest ever. ``We do think that this is worse than it was in '88 through '90,'' Chairman Robert Toll said on a conference call. ``We can't predict how long this down period will last.'' Subtracting From Growth Declines in home construction have reduced growth since the start of 2006 and detracted 1.1 percentage points in the third quarter. Homebuilding will drop at a 22 percent annual pace this quarter, the most since the last three months of 1981, according to a forecast by economists at Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. Foreclosures doubled in September from a year earlier as subprime borrowers struggled to make payments on adjustable-rate mortgages, RealtyTrac Inc. said Oct. 11. Rising foreclosures and falling sales are adding to inventories and pushing down prices. The Case-Shiller index of home prices in 20 major cities declined 4.4 percent in the 12 months though August, the most since records began in 2001. Declining home equity deprives some owners of the cash used to buy other goods and services or fund home-improvement projects. Lowe's Cos., the second-largest home-improvement retailer, yesterday said third-quarter profit declined 10 percent and reduced its annual profit forecast for the second time in two months because of the housing slump. Holiday Shopping This week traditionally marks the start of the holiday shopping season and the National Retail Federation is forecasting the smallest sales gain in five years. In anticipation of weak demand, Bentonville, Arkansas-based Wal- Mart Stores Inc., the world's largest retailer, began offering holiday discounts two weeks early. Consumer spending, which accounts for about 70 percent of the economy, will grow at a 2 percent annual rate in the fourth quarter, down from 3 percent in the prior three months, according to the median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg earlier this month. The economy will grow at a 1.5 percent rate, less than half the reported 3.9 percent third- quarter pace, the survey shows. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke told a congressional hearing Nov. 8 that policy makers expected growth to ``slow noticeably'' in the current quarter and remain ``sluggish'' in the first half of 2008. ``The contraction in housing-related activity seemed likely to intensify,'' he said. Later Today, the Fed will issue the minutes of its Oct. 31 meeting. The report will be the first to contain expanded forecasts for growth and inflation that form part of the central bank's drive to improve transparency in communications. To contact the reporter on this story: Bob Willis in Washington at bwillis@bloomberg.net What does this mean?? |
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QUOTE(andy888 @ Nov 20 2007, 10:06 PM) like that we buy before it and receive the dividend and we cabut and sell the share , can ?????????? As my understanding, after the bonus payout, share price will revalue again and will set lower after the dividend payout.i got new on Snergy Drive Synergy Drive reference price set at RM 8.90 per share, based on market capitalisation of 8 participating companies.......... For example: mother share price is RM3.00. After dividend payout of 30cents, share price will revalue down to RM2.70. So u cant sell it at RM2.70. It will be a break-even price only. Usually, will keep for days/weeks or till price up to RM3.00 then u can gain profits from it Please correct me if im wrong.. Synergy Drive RM8.90? What is TP for SD? Btw, when SD listed, will BURSA rise also due to KLCI index up? worth to keep BURSA before SD get listed? |
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at this moment, Futures climb back to : +42.00
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QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Nov 20 2007, 10:15 PM) As my understanding, after the bonus payout, share price will revalue again and will set lower after the dividend payout. Correct, but from what I see, usually after ex-, the stock price will rally up. Not sure whether this trend happen to selected counters only or allFor example: mother share price is RM3.00. After dividend payout of 30cents, share price will revalue down to RM2.70. So u cant sell it at RM2.70. It will be a break-even price only. Usually, will keep for days/weeks or till price up to RM3.00 then u can gain profits from it Please correct me if im wrong.. |
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QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Nov 20 2007, 10:15 PM) As my understanding, after the bonus payout, share price will revalue again and will set lower after the dividend payout. theoretically, yes, BURSA will rise due to KLCI index upFor example: mother share price is RM3.00. After dividend payout of 30cents, share price will revalue down to RM2.70. So u cant sell it at RM2.70. It will be a break-even price only. Usually, will keep for days/weeks or till price up to RM3.00 then u can gain profits from it Please correct me if im wrong.. Synergy Drive RM8.90? What is TP for SD? Btw, when SD listed, will BURSA rise also due to KLCI index up? worth to keep BURSA before SD get listed? but it still has to depends very much on U.S performance if timing not ngam, U.S drop 300 points on 29/11, i doubt SD can cheong very far, same goes to BURSA QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 20 2007, 10:15 PM) haha, 50% OFF for all range of PROTON models |
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