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post Nov 7 2024, 05:48 PM, updated 2y ago

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Super high density Residensi Wilayah, which located next to Giant Setapak/Puspakom Wangsa Maju

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Anyone got more info? Not sure if got ppl share or not biggrin.gif

https://www.gandinganjakel.com/j-satine-apartment/
https://residensiwilayah.jwp.gov.my/projek/...Ifp6o9fvnJMxkom

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post Nov 7 2024, 05:49 PM

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That's not a crack, that's a disaster waiting to happen.
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post Nov 7 2024, 05:50 PM

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post Nov 7 2024, 05:51 PM

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Betol ka

does not look like normal crack

looks like wanna roboh adi
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post Nov 7 2024, 05:51 PM

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GG... who is the Developer?
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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Nov 7 2024, 05:51 PM)
GG... who is the Developer?
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Land owned by Jakel, and JV with Platinum Victory.
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QUOTE(jesseclane @ Nov 7 2024, 06:52 PM)
Land owned by Jakel, and JV with Platinum Victory.
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Why a garment seller suddenly build house?

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post Nov 7 2024, 05:53 PM

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Real or fake video?
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post Nov 7 2024, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Nov 7 2024, 05:51 PM)
GG... who is the Developer?
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https://www.gandinganjakel.com/j-satine-apartment/
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QUOTE(pureawesomeness @ Nov 7 2024, 05:53 PM)
Real or fake video?
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I live near that area, so this vid/screenshot already spread among Setapak community. That's why I come here to get more info
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Nov 7 2024, 05:52 PM)
Why a garment seller suddenly build house?

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kl last time all can do magic one

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post Nov 7 2024, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Nov 7 2024, 05:54 PM)
Related to jakel group.?
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post Nov 7 2024, 05:57 PM

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Lok gao all buyer.. loan kena draw down on a building ready to collapse
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Nov 7 2024, 05:56 PM)
Related to jakel group.?
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https://www.hmetro.com.my/bisnes/2021/04/69...wah-mampu-milik

yup

KUMPULAN Jakel melangkah setapak lagi apabila menjalin kerjasama strategik dengan pemaju hartanah, Platinum Victory bagi membangunkan projek pembangunan bercampur di Setapak Kuala Lumpur dengan nilai pembangunan kasar RM1.25 bilion.

Pembangunan usaha sama ini membabitkan tapak seluas 9.2 ekar (3.72 hektar) yang dinamakan J.Satine dan terletak di lokasi strategik di tengah-tengah bandar Setapak.

Pengarah Urusan Kumpulan Jakel, Datuk Seri Mohamed Faroz Mohamed Jakel berkata, projek J.Satine adalah pembangunan bersepadu merangkumi 4,303 unit kediaman dan perdagangan, di mana ia terbahagi kepada tiga komponen pembangunan termasuklah 3,600 unit Pangsapuri Mampu Milik Residensi Wilayah, 661 unit SOHO dan 42 unit komersial.
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post Nov 7 2024, 06:14 PM

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dem, a colleague of mine bought his house here, but not sure his is which Block
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post Nov 7 2024, 06:19 PM

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if this collapse next time, many ppl are going to die, more than 9-11 NY world trade centre
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post Nov 7 2024, 06:21 PM

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seem like load bearing column could not handle the load. From from outside cant see the thickness of the column. It's either too thin or using subpar materials.
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post Nov 7 2024, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Nov 7 2024, 05:51 PM)
GG... who is the Developer?
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More importantly, who is the structural PE?
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post Nov 7 2024, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Nov 7 2024, 06:23 PM)
More importantly, who is the structural PE?
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post Nov 7 2024, 06:27 PM

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this is not normal GG
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post Nov 7 2024, 06:27 PM

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Looks like aftermath of small earthquake.
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post Nov 7 2024, 06:29 PM

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this one opposite giant and beside got lrt3 station, nanti runtuh lrt pun koyak cry.gif
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post Nov 7 2024, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Nov 7 2024, 05:55 PM)
kl last time all can do magic one

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now still can mah.
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post Nov 7 2024, 06:37 PM

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looks like someone farked it good time
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QUOTE(lonely66 @ Nov 7 2024, 06:29 PM)
this one opposite giant and beside got MTR3 station, nanti runtuh mrt pun koyak  cry.gif
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fixed
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QUOTE(Jazted @ Nov 7 2024, 06:37 PM)
fixed
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i see the mrt map the station just below the condo brows.gif
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QUOTE(jesseclane @ Nov 7 2024, 05:48 PM)
Super high density Residensi Wilayah, which located next to Giant Setapak/Puspakom Wangsa Maju

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Anyone got more info? Not sure if got ppl share or not  biggrin.gif

https://www.gandinganjakel.com/j-satine-apartment/
https://residensiwilayah.jwp.gov.my/projek/...Ifp6o9fvnJMxkom

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no wonder this news not in Twitter yet

why u put the video in Unlisted mode?

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post Nov 7 2024, 07:45 PM

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this thread soon LOD and disappear.
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QUOTE(party @ Nov 7 2024, 07:45 PM)
this thread soon LOD and disappear.
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confirm

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thank god we have Mr Yam here to expose this massive structure failure

can n will most likely be tutup one
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the tered
and the ......."crack"
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post Nov 7 2024, 07:49 PM

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get ready, viralling soon.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Nov 7 2024, 07:42 PM)
no wonder this news not in Twitter yet

why u put the video in Unlisted mode?
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Since this not my vid, don't want spread to public yt
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QUOTE(jesseclane @ Nov 7 2024, 05:48 PM)
Super high density Residensi Wilayah, which located next to Giant Setapak/Puspakom Wangsa Maju

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Anyone got more info? Not sure if got ppl share or not  biggrin.gif

https://www.gandinganjakel.com/j-satine-apartment/
https://residensiwilayah.jwp.gov.my/projek/...Ifp6o9fvnJMxkom

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reverse pakedddddddddddd

inb4 tered nuked lod incumbing /k tard

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QUOTE(jesseclane @ Nov 7 2024, 07:49 PM)
Since this not my vid, don't want spread to public yt
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we are in the public territory now

pls double confirmed this is the correct building and project, later big boss 7 got lod from the dev IF u gave us wrong info
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plus these carpet sellers .....

got links to

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QUOTE(jesseclane @ Nov 7 2024, 06:30 PM)
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Holy shiet... just imagine the casualties if dominoes effect
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QUOTE(jesseclane @ Nov 7 2024, 06:26 PM)
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Correct signboard? Developer name not same
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So how now?
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Mean whole building is tofu wreck.

Prefabricated doesn't design to be able to stack so high without support


They think this is a lego

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Confirmed background building is PPR wangsa sari blok 62

Base on Google map
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Nov 7 2024, 06:58 PM)
https://www.hmetro.com.my/bisnes/2021/04/69...wah-mampu-milik

yup

KUMPULAN Jakel melangkah setapak lagi apabila menjalin kerjasama strategik dengan pemaju hartanah, Platinum Victory bagi membangunkan projek pembangunan bercampur di Setapak Kuala Lumpur dengan nilai pembangunan kasar RM1.25 bilion.

Pembangunan usaha sama ini membabitkan tapak seluas 9.2 ekar (3.72 hektar) yang dinamakan J.Satine dan terletak di lokasi strategik di tengah-tengah bandar Setapak.

Pengarah Urusan Kumpulan Jakel, Datuk Seri Mohamed Faroz Mohamed Jakel berkata, projek J.Satine adalah pembangunan bersepadu merangkumi 4,303 unit kediaman dan perdagangan, di mana ia terbahagi kepada tiga komponen pembangunan termasuklah 3,600 unit Pangsapuri Mampu Milik Residensi Wilayah, 661 unit SOHO dan 42 unit komersial.
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Hopefully this shenanigans doesnt signify the fall of their empire….
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Nov 7 2024, 09:01 PM)
RIP buyers
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Lok hai really all the buyer kena draw down loan pay interest like f ad
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QUOTE(lonely66 @ Nov 7 2024, 06:29 PM)
this one opposite giant and beside got lrt3 station, nanti runtuh lrt pun koyak  cry.gif
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I thought is mrt?
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https://www.nst.com.my/business/2021/06/701...ontract-setapak

https://tcsgroup.com.my/J-Satine.html
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songlap lah the rebar inside

column/beam supposed to have 10x15mm rebars inside end up 6x10mm oni
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QUOTE(jesseclane @ Nov 7 2024, 05:48 PM)
Super high density Residensi Wilayah, which located next to Giant Setapak/Puspakom Wangsa Maju

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Anyone got more info? Not sure if got ppl share or not  biggrin.gif

https://www.gandinganjakel.com/j-satine-apartment/
https://residensiwilayah.jwp.gov.my/projek/...Ifp6o9fvnJMxkom

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oh damn... the orange circle bottom that cracked line is match with the video
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1 Richter scale quake is enough to bring it down
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So what they going to do? C4 it down and rebuild?
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QUOTE(Haru97 @ Nov 7 2024, 11:45 PM)
So what they going to do? C4 it down and rebuild?
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Plaster it lo, like how we plaster our injury.
2 days ago share nd they request to delete. Even buyer gone mad now
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QUOTE(kswee @ Nov 7 2024, 10:53 PM)
Plaster it lo, like how we plaster our injury.
2 days ago share nd they request to delete. Even buyer gone mad now
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This is not something that just patch the crack will fix hmm.gif

Pity all the buyers, even the other blocks also probably affected either prop value or long term safety worry…
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can repair ke? or must demolish?
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Actually not a very big matter la.

Very common construction got problem one.

Just not every case got public knows about it.

Just rectify it jer.

Eat into either developer or contractor profit margin.


QUOTE(ihm11 @ Nov 7 2024, 09:46 PM)
songlap lah the rebar inside

column/beam supposed to have 10x15mm rebars inside end up 6x10mm oni
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That was those 80s 90s era lor

Nowadays no one curi besi one.

The engineer have lifetime liability on their buildings
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QUOTE(ycs @ Nov 7 2024, 11:15 PM)
can repair ke? or must demolish?
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Can repair.

Steel structure prop and buat balik
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Cracked until can see steel...habis la
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QUOTE(ihm11 @ Nov 7 2024, 09:46 PM)
songlap lah the rebar inside

column/beam supposed to have 10x15mm rebars inside end up 6x10mm oni
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Mana ada 15mm rebars in the market? LOL
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It much worse lol. Seem like parking below also kena


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Cant get CCC this building
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no way this will pass, confirm must either rectify or rebuild. good luck to buyers
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Not the first fark up by PV. PV (and/or Radium) has been sued by platinum oug owners as well. First case management this month end.
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QUOTE(kswee @ Nov 7 2024, 10:53 PM)
Plaster it lo, like how we plaster our injury.
2 days ago share nd they request to delete. Even buyer gone mad now
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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 7 2024, 11:16 PM)
Actually not a very big matter la.

Very common construction got problem one.

Just not every case got public knows about it.

Just rectify it jer.

Eat into either developer or contractor profit margin.
That was those 80s 90s era lor

Nowadays no one curi besi one.

The engineer have lifetime liability on their buildings
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ehh bro, how you going to plaster this up, cause from some of the viral whatsapp video, apparently 1 side is half meter short, the whole door frame inside the unit is compressed until senyet d. How are they going to jack it up and plaster it? Or they just let the ground floor buyer deal it with a senyet roof and senyet door.

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QUOTE(patienceGNR @ Nov 7 2024, 11:44 PM)
Not the first fark up by PV. PV (and/or Radium) has been sued by platinum oug owners as well. First case management this month end.
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Contractor is TCS ??
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Nov 7 2024, 05:52 PM)
Why a garment seller suddenly build house?

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garment seller not first time build house

before this at permaisuri sudah siap

mid valley petron opposite small land also they wallop already
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QUOTE(patienceGNR @ Nov 7 2024, 11:44 PM)
Not the first fark up by PV. PV (and/or Radium) has been sued by platinum oug owners as well. First case management this month end.
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apa citer

kasi more detail
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QUOTE(jesseclane @ Nov 7 2024, 06:26 PM)
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Nov 7 2024, 08:13 PM)
Correct signboard? Developer name not same
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1st time knowing developer will open a seperate company for different project?

developer has been doing this for years


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sos kicap

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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Nov 8 2024, 12:01 AM)
Contractor is TCS ??
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QUOTE(Haru97 @ Nov 8 2024, 12:46 AM)
ehh bro, how you going to plaster this up, cause from some of the viral whatsapp video, apparently 1 side is half meter short, the whole door frame inside the unit is compressed until senyet d. How are they going to jack it up and plaster it? Or they just let the ground floor buyer deal it with a senyet roof and senyet door.

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This one high possiblity foundation/pile recede due to underground movement. Very risky if highrise apartment above it.
The steel bar also pop out .


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QUOTE(DValentine @ Nov 8 2024, 12:05 AM)
apa citer

kasi more detail
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Misrepresentation. Google search je platinum OUG legal case

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/670968
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Typical playbook, developer tapau and run
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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 7 2024, 11:16 PM)
Actually not a very big matter la.

Very common construction got problem one.

Just not every case got public knows about it.

Just rectify it jer.

Eat into either developer or contractor profit margin.
That was those 80s 90s era lor

Nowadays no one curi besi one.

The engineer have lifetime liability on their buildings
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This already affects whole building, already tilted and affect below building.

It is like hammering the bottom and start taking pressure and crack also.

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ehh bro, how you going to plaster this up, cause from some of the viral whatsapp video, apparently 1 side is half meter short, the whole door frame inside the unit is compressed until senyet d. How are they going to jack it up and plaster it? Or they just let the ground floor buyer deal it with a senyet roof and senyet door.

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hack and cast back saja.

And you know how much is half meter short or not?

half meter short is whole building sengek until you can see already.

The photo you post not much only la

QUOTE(stupiak07 @ Nov 8 2024, 01:39 AM)
This already affects whole building, already tilted and affect below building.

It is like hammering the bottom and start taking pressure and crack also.
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QUOTE(Haru97 @ Nov 7 2024, 11:46 PM)
ehh bro, how you going to plaster this up, cause from some of the viral whatsapp video, apparently 1 side is half meter short, the whole door frame inside the unit is compressed until senyet d. How are they going to jack it up and plaster it? Or they just let the ground floor buyer deal it with a senyet roof and senyet door.

user posted image

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aiyo.. this type of crack sap sap sui lah.. most like one the collum failure or pile cap failed

do underpinning and top up which parking to floor level again

do steel framing or hydralic support and then pump conconrete (Grade 45) to recast the wall

the bent brc reinforced with A8 or A10 BRC

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1st time knowing developer will open a seperate company for different project?

developer has been doing this for years
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these are the ones one should rightfully trust

and it originated from whom?

haaaah

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i see the mrt map the station just below the condo  brows.gif
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This one high possiblity foundation/pile recede due to underground movement. Very risky if highrise apartment above it.
The steel bar also pop out .
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Yeah its actually very risky building, I ask AI about this issue ah, AI suggest a whole building demolish.


QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 8 2024, 03:19 AM)
hack and cast back saja.

And you know how much is half meter short or not?

half meter short is whole building sengek until you can see already.

The photo you post not much only la
Can one
just strengthen the foundation and cast back
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Hmm.... from part 3 video, worker say "kurang kurang seratus turun", I take it as "100cm drop ". And yes, like how you say "senget until can see already". The door frames popping out like that, pipes senget like that is memang can see. There is no far picture view, but I suspek it already can see tilted one side.

EDIT : now to think of it 100cm is too exaberate, it might be a 100mm drop instead of 100cm drop


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aiyo.. this type of crack sap sap sui lah.. most like one the collum failure or pile cap failed

do underpinning and top up which parking to floor level again

do steel framing or hydralic support and then pump conconrete (Grade 45) to recast the wall

the bent brc reinforced with A8 or A10 BRC
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uhhh crack? this macam is foundational failure wor, a crack doesnt pop steel rebars or pipes from the wall.

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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 8 2024, 07:13 AM)
aiyo.. this type of crack sap sap sui lah.. most like one the collum failure or pile cap failed

do underpinning and top up which parking to floor level again

do steel framing or hydralic support and then pump conconrete (Grade 45) to recast the wall

the bent brc reinforced with A8 or A10 BRC
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I hope they were able to fix this la, but judging from the "crack" from pic, the whole side wall has "tilted" an angle
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QUOTE(Haru97 @ Nov 7 2024, 11:46 PM)
ehh bro, how you going to plaster this up, cause from some of the viral whatsapp video, apparently 1 side is half meter short, the whole door frame inside the unit is compressed until senyet d. How are they going to jack it up and plaster it? Or they just let the ground floor buyer deal it with a senyet roof and senyet door.

user posted image

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Once this is "fixed", down the road the buyers will suffers from many internal problems like leaking etc. There's no way you can safely and permanently fix this.
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? Don't get you, mate. Care to share more context, pls
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Maybe quote wrong my post. But I say "AI suggests", but, as an ekspert in blow water, I trust AI more than human.
After I provide all the detail to chatgpt ah, chatgpt say how serious this could be ah, "suggest to evacuate immediately" and requires "engineers to inspect the building immediately" ah.
AI suggested that even looks not tilted from far, but rebars and rebars wire binder popping out ah, with door frame bended until that extend, pipes bengkak from wall bursting out can be seen in video,
dont need go see in person, already know how serious this crack is ah.

I have never seen a crack could put holes into walls with pipes bend like that la. IF the video source is trustable

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QUOTE(Haru97 @ Nov 8 2024, 09:16 AM)
Maybe quote wrong my post. But I say "AI suggests", but, as an ekspert in blow water, I trust AI more than human.
After I provide all the detail to chatgpt ah, chatgpt say how serious this could be ah, "suggest to evacuate immediately" and requires "engineers to inspect the building immediately" ah.
AI suggested that even looks not tilted from far, but rebars and rebars wire binder popping out ah, with door frame bended until that extend, pipes bengkak from wall bursting out can be seen in video,
dont need go see in person, already know how serious this crack is ah.

I have never seen a crack could put holes into walls with pipes bend like that la. IF the video source is trustable

user posted image
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I confused.

Sekejap mazhard replied to my non text post. Then now Haru97 reply my post on AI.

I never commented on your earlier postings pertaining AI

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I confused.

Sekejap mazhard replied to my non text post. Then now Haru97 reply my post on AI.

I never commented on your earlier postings pertaining AI
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Ya I mean maybe him quote salah jer, not you gua
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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 8 2024, 07:13 AM)
aiyo.. this type of crack sap sap sui lah.. most like one the collum failure or pile cap failed

do underpinning and top up which parking to floor level again

do steel framing or hydralic support and then pump conconrete (Grade 45) to recast the wall

the bent brc reinforced with A8 or A10 BRC
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Boss, how much roughly this will cost for structural repair ? and how about architectural repair cost ?


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QUOTE(Haru97 @ Nov 8 2024, 08:29 AM)
Hmm.... from part 3 video, worker say "kurang kurang seratus turun", I take it as "100cm drop ". And yes, like how you say "senget until can see already". The door frames popping out like that, pipes senget like that is memang can see
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You're so divorced from reality, you can't really tell how long is 100cm?

If really drop 1 metre, you won't even see the bent doorways because the whole building is gone.
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QUOTE(delon85 @ Nov 8 2024, 10:38 AM)
You're so divorced from reality, you can't really tell how long is 100cm?

If really drop 1 metre, you won't even see the bent doorways because the whole building is gone.
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how I know, I am not an engineer, blow water is my eskperties, dont take my word for it ma.
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So what they going to do? C4 it down and rebuild?
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Tear down and rebuild is the only acceptable solution lah....
If some expert tell you that they can repair, grout, underpin, jack it up..... u better avoid it in all cost, ask your Yi Ma Gu Jie to avoid forever....

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how I know, I am not an engineer, blow water is my eskperties, dont take my word for it ma.
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Don't use AI to blow water la jeebuy. Not engineer then dont tok kok here.
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boss, why so angry? or you building structure engineer, if so can help explain xia to the folk around
but I think even is not 100cm drop, the extent of the damage is serious and should not taken lightly

EDIT : Comes to think of it 100cm might be too exacerbated number, lets put a "100mm" for now

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boss, why so angry? or you building structure engineer, if so can help explain xia to the folk around
but I think even is not 100cm drop, the extent of the damage is serious and should not taken lightly
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QUOTE(Haru97 @ Nov 8 2024, 11:00 AM)
boss, why so angry? or you building structure engineer, if so can help explain xia to the folk around
but I think even is not 100cm drop, the extent of the damage is serious and should not taken lightly
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I just hate idiots who say things without going through the 2 neurons in their brain.

You assumed the worker is saying 100cm.

Don't even need to be an engineer to know how long is 100cm. That's basically more than 50% the height of doorway.

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Must be one of the buyer
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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 8 2024, 08:13 AM)
aiyo.. this type of crack sap sap sui lah.. most like one the collum failure or pile cap failed

do underpinning and top up which parking to floor level again

do steel framing or hydralic support and then pump conconrete (Grade 45) to recast the wall

the bent brc reinforced with A8 or A10 BRC
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If u are the PSP/SP, are u confident to sign off for this rectification?
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QUOTE(delon85 @ Nov 8 2024, 12:03 PM)
I just hate idiots who say things without going through the 2 neurons in their brain.

You assumed the worker is saying 100cm.

Don't even need to be an engineer to know how long is 100cm. That's basically more than 50% the height of doorway.
You can join him in the ranks of bottom kturd
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Maybe I am really living off the last 2 brain cells. Btw boss, in your opinion and analysis, how long the drop is for this extent of damage?

According to image provided la dont account for trustability,
Like the door bent, pipe burst, see through hole in walls, etc. 100mm can cause this kind of damage ke?
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Maybe I am really living off the last 2 brain cells. Btw boss, in your opinion and analysis, how long the drop is for this extent of damage?

According to image provided la dont account for trustability,
Like the door bent, pipe burst, see through hole in walls, etc. 100mm can cause this kind of damage ke?
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Conlab9firm you living on 2 neurons if you need AI to help you blow water

How can you measure for sure from a blurry photo?
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Conlab9firm you living on 2 neurons if you need AI to help you blow water

How can you measure for sure from a blurry photo?
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ya, my last 2 braincell.
No measure ah, blow water only, guess how much aje.
Now to think of it 100cm maybe is too exaberated, corrected it, lets take a "100mm" displacement, still bad enough?
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is 100mm,


mm is widely used in construction one,

from video is not 100cm la,, 100cm is half human height la.....
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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 8 2024, 07:13 AM)
aiyo.. this type of crack sap sap sui lah.. most like one the collum failure or pile cap failed

do underpinning and top up which parking to floor level again

do steel framing or hydralic support and then pump conconrete (Grade 45) to recast the wall

the bent brc reinforced with A8 or A10 BRC
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sounds good but even i not confident to stay after rectification. most proper and surekill to gain confident of customer and PR is demolish whole block and re-do.
that crack looks like structure failure on that part / section which could probably means the whole zone which was casted in that area got weak ass concrete (probably failed slump).

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how jakel can get land. hint, bosku wife.
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QUOTE(Silfer @ Nov 8 2024, 03:01 PM)
sounds good but even i not confident to stay after rectification. most proper and surekill to gain confident of customer and PR is demolish whole block and re-do.
that crack looks like structure failure on that part / section which could probably means the whole zone which was casted in that area got weak ass concrete (probably failed slump).
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demo and redo the entire block? even if they've completed 20 or 30 floors? 😮
i've always wondered when looking at those nearly completed high-rise, what if the first floor suddenly experienced a critical structural failure? better to abandon the project, patch up the issue, or redo the whole thing..
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I got sell this, one of the hardest to sell tbh because of no balcony and high density. Early stage they offer RM10k cash voucher, of course you can only redeem it after signing all the necessary documents and loan approved.

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patch back only la...specialist will do the work. dont have to do so much guessing
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QUOTE(Haru97 @ Nov 8 2024, 12:58 PM)
ya, my last 2 braincell.
No measure ah, blow water only, guess how much aje.
Now to think of it 100cm maybe is too exaberated, corrected it, lets take a "100mm" displacement, still bad enough?
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It's like asking if your 1" which is actually 0.1" can satisfy your mum, but the dic pic you posted is using potato cam from the 90s.

It's Friday, don't think so hard and let your 2 neurons rest

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It's like asking if your 1" which is actually 0.1" can satisfy your mum, but the dic pic you posted is using potato cam from the 90s.

It's Friday, don't think so hard and let your 2 neurons rest
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It's like asking if your 1" which is actually 0.1" can satisfy your mum, but the dic pic you posted is using potato cam from the 90s.

It's Friday, don't think so hard and let your 2 neurons rest
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QUOTE(QuantumEdge @ Nov 8 2024, 03:51 PM)
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QUOTE(QuantumEdge @ Nov 8 2024, 03:51 PM)
Just take a look yourself
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I don't really care about this building because it's obviously unsafe. No one in their right mind will buy any unit here now because it will be hard to resell.

But saying the displacement at the doorway is 100cm when it's obviously not is dishonest/blatantly ignorant.
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I got sell this, one of the hardest to sell tbh because of no balcony and high density. Early stage they offer RM10k cash voucher, of course you can only redeem it after signing all the necessary documents and loan approved.
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Is this project under PRIMA umbrella?

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Is this project under PRIMA umbrella?
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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Nov 8 2024, 03:29 PM)
I got sell this, one of the hardest to sell tbh because of no balcony and high density. Early stage they offer RM10k cash voucher, of course you can only redeem it after signing all the necessary documents and loan approved.
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Do u worry if future happens unfortunate incident with this project, u will feel guilt to customer? blush.gif
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Guys.. just random question here, if the buyer already settle loan approval and all, for this kind of incident.

if the buyer want to back out of this loan, can ahh? or there's heavy penalty ahead if die2 want to cancel the loan and purchase.

Financial noob here, hope can enlighten me.

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QUOTE(nicktaylor @ Nov 8 2024, 04:12 PM)
Guys.. just random question here, if the buyer already settle loan approval and all, for this kind of incident.

if the buyer want to back out of this loan, can ahh? or there's heavy penalty ahead if die2 want to cancel the loan and purchase.

Financial noob here, hope can enlighten me.
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QUOTE(nicktaylor @ Nov 8 2024, 04:12 PM)
Guys.. just random question here, if the buyer already settle loan approval and all, for this kind of incident.

if the buyer want to back out of this loan, can ahh? or there's heavy penalty ahead if die2 want to cancel the loan and purchase.

Financial noob here, hope can enlighten me.
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cannot la, even if the project is abandoned buyer still has to bear the resposibility
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Nov 8 2024, 03:28 PM)
demo and redo the entire block? even if they've completed 20 or 30 floors? 😮
i've always wondered when looking at those nearly completed high-rise, what if the first floor suddenly experienced a critical structural failure? better to abandon the project, patch up the issue, or redo the whole thing..
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they would try to do the repair as per the other suggested. then maybe add on some compensation or some shit (90% lousy compensation).
since now DBKL closed the site, we shall see what's the next directive from them.

QUOTE(victorian @ Nov 8 2024, 04:19 PM)
cannot la, even if the project is abandoned buyer still has to bear the resposibility
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now still like this ka? macam heard they want implement the law to protect buyer from these kind of shit.
https://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-gu...hat-to-do-22958

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QUOTE(nicktaylor @ Nov 8 2024, 04:12 PM)
Guys.. just random question here, if the buyer already settle loan approval and all, for this kind of incident.

if the buyer want to back out of this loan, can ahh? or there's heavy penalty ahead if die2 want to cancel the loan and purchase.

Financial noob here, hope can enlighten me.
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I think the bank may also willing to cancel since it’s high risk for them too (if shit happens, buyer probably unable to continue pay instalments and the prop no longer around to be auctioned).

But the developer will not let the buyer off the hook so easily. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(nicktaylor @ Nov 8 2024, 05:12 PM)
Guys.. just random question here, if the buyer already settle loan approval and all, for this kind of incident.

if the buyer want to back out of this loan, can ahh? or there's heavy penalty ahead if die2 want to cancel the loan and purchase.

Financial noob here, hope can enlighten me.
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QUOTE(victorian @ Nov 8 2024, 05:19 PM)
cannot la, even if the project is abandoned buyer still has to bear the resposibility
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I think buyer responsible at the cost paid to developer base on the stage.

Example if house price is 500k loan 450k.

Base on the project completion rate, maybe 70%. Then if bank paid 70% money to the developer, then buyer responsible for the 70% loan paid to the developer but not 100%
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 8 2024, 05:24 PM)
I think the bank may also willing to cancel since it’s high risk for them too (if shit happens, buyer probably unable to continue pay instalments and the prop no longer around to be auctioned).

But the developer will not let the buyer off the hook so easily. hmm.gif
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At this point, the bank already paid a partial of the money to developer already one. Although not 100% yet.

So it's hard to justify what is their actions now
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Nowadays buy subsales better, the price is the same as the launch price given that the density is high
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Is this project under PRIMA umbrella?
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Under Platinum Victory, they pretty much the abang kawasan in setapak area condo/rumawip.

QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 8 2024, 04:08 PM)
Do u worry if future happens unfortunate incident with this project, u will feel guilt to customer?  blush.gif
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If you think low density condo/rumawip is safe, you’re naive. High or low density, landed or condo, risk is still there. Landed if the house collapsed with you in it, you lucky then only get minor injuries, worse is either you became OKU or just die. Almost everything has a risk, same goes to cars. Don’t assume you buy RM300k bensi then you 100% safe if accident, what if the car suddenly catches fire?

Do i feel guilty? Abit but only for those gaji ngam2 cover the house installment and their current commitment, well since new project average 4-5 years to finish so by the time they got the house key their pay also should be higher already than the day they apply the loan.
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QUOTE(HP Computer @ Nov 8 2024, 12:29 PM)
If u are the PSP/SP, are u confident to sign off for this rectification?
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typical /k tokok doh.gif

oh just jack it up and repair it yadda yadda. laugh.gif


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Just take a look yourself
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does this normally happen to rumahselangorku projects?
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QUOTE(triple02 @ Nov 8 2024, 04:51 PM)
typical /k tokok  doh.gif

oh just jack it up and repair it yadda yadda.  laugh.gif
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LOl, this look like a couple of piles got problem

Jack up can fix meh?


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BTW, alot of people gonna upcar for this

Damn son

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 8 2024, 04:24 PM)
I think the bank may also willing to cancel since it’s high risk for them too (if shit happens, buyer probably unable to continue pay instalments and the prop no longer around to be auctioned).

But the developer will not let the buyer off the hook so easily. hmm.gif
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Nope the bank will not cancel the buyer's loan just because there is issue with the construction or even if the project is abandoned.

Because bank already release part of the loan amount (maybe 50%-70%) to developer based on the stages of completion of the project.

So buyer will need to pay back the partial released loan amount plus interest back to the bank, even though the project is abandoned.

Most likely the developer will abandon the project if it is a major structural failure (cannot be patched back or repair), because it is more cost efficient to just lari
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https://www.gandinganjakel.com/public-notice/

GG, they conlanfirm liao

PUBLIC COOPERATION REQUESTED
We acknowledge the videos and images that have gone viral on social media regarding one of our company’s construction projects.

We would like to inform that all safety measures have been taken in accordance with established safety regulations to ensure the safety of the public and the interests of our buyers.

We want to emphasise that this development has been carefully planned and the construction process implemented is in line with the regulations and ethics practiced by the relevant professional bodies.

At present, we’re teaming up with expert advisors and a special task force to give you a true picture of the project’s status. We want to provide an accurate assessment and to show that the construction site issue has been misrepresented.

We are committed to sharing these insights with the public.

We greatly appreciate the cooperation from the public to stop sharing videos or images and speculating unverified information related to this project.

We believe the facts will speak for themselves and clarify any misconceptions about the situation.

We would like to reiterate our stance that safety aspects have always been our priority in every development project we undertake.

Thank you for your cooperation and support.

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QUOTE(anakkk @ Nov 8 2024, 05:02 PM)
https://www.gandinganjakel.com/public-notice/

GG, they conlanfirm liao

PUBLIC COOPERATION REQUESTED
We acknowledge the videos and images that have gone viral on social media regarding one of our company’s construction projects.

We would like to inform that all safety measures have been taken in accordance with established safety regulations to ensure the safety of the public and the interests of our buyers.

We want to emphasise that this development has been carefully planned and the construction process implemented is in line with the regulations and ethics practiced by the relevant professional bodies.

At present, we’re teaming up with expert advisors and a special task force to give you a true picture of the project’s status. We want to provide an accurate assessment and to show that the construction site issue has been misrepresented.

We are committed to sharing these insights with the public.

We greatly appreciate the cooperation from the public to stop sharing videos or images and speculating unverified information related to this project.

We believe the facts will speak for themselves and clarify any misconceptions about the situation.

We would like to reiterate our stance that safety aspects have always been our priority in every development project we undertake.

Thank you for your cooperation and support.
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QUOTE(PJng @ Nov 8 2024, 04:52 PM)
so blur, cannot read
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I think its a cease and desist order from DBKL.

Basically what I understand was
immediate halt all construction activity
hire a certified independent engineer to assess the building's structural integrity in full and to be submited to DBKL for further assessment?


QUOTE(Clowninja @ Nov 8 2024, 04:52 PM)
does this normally happen to rumahselangorku projects?
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I don't think so. Seems like an isolated case, there is tons of other rumahselangorku and so far so good.
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does this normally happen to rumahselangorku projects?
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Few months ago, even landed house developed by pkns at teluk panglima garang also crack.


Sos

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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Nov 8 2024, 04:48 PM)
Under Platinum Victory, they pretty much the abang kawasan in setapak area condo/rumawip.
If you think low density condo/rumawip is safe, you’re naive. High or low density, landed or condo, risk is still there. Landed if the house collapsed with you in it, you lucky then only get minor injuries, worse is either you became OKU or just die. Almost everything has a risk, same goes to cars. Don’t assume you buy RM300k bensi then you 100% safe if accident, what if the car suddenly catches fire?

Do i feel guilty? Abit but only for those gaji ngam2 cover the house installment and their current commitment, well since new project average 4-5 years to finish so by the time they got the house key their pay also should be higher already than the day they apply the loan.
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I meant after discovering such huge safety concern, will u still proceed to sell this prop (maybe subsale in future)? I would feel huge guilt if shits happens years later, becoz I sold this prop to them knowing the huge safety concern.
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QUOTE(truthbehold @ Nov 8 2024, 04:59 PM)
Nope the bank will not cancel the buyer's loan just because there is issue with the construction or even if the project is abandoned.

Because bank already release part of the loan amount (maybe 50%-70%) to developer based on the stages of completion of the project.

So buyer will need to pay back the partial released loan amount plus interest back to the bank, even though the project is abandoned.

Most likely the developer will abandon the project if it is a major structural failure (cannot be patched back or repair), because it is more cost efficient to just lari
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I meant if the buyer just recently signed the deal, and the bank has yet to release the fund… maybe the bank will also chicken out at this point. Letting the borrower cancel at this point when fund not yet released is win-win for bank and borrower, unless the developer somehow can bind the bank to the deal. hmm.gif
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actually what and how to do?

not possible to demolish right? the effect is too huge, it will impact other block or surrounding.

pump the bottom again? cannot also

other block might in risk also, if that block fall will hit them
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QUOTE(Joker. @ Nov 8 2024, 05:18 PM)
Few months ago, even landed house developed by pkns at teluk panglima garang also crack.
Sos
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Landed prop crack not comparable to high rise crack like this case. 30 storeys of weight on the bottom cracked structure compare to landed 1-2 storeys weight is like comparing sky and Earth. hmm.gif

This seems like beyond normal apartment crack.
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QUOTE(jurkflash @ Nov 8 2024, 05:52 PM)
actually what and how to do?

not possible to demolish right? the effect is too huge, it will impact other block or surrounding.

pump the bottom again? cannot also

other block might in risk also, if that block fall will hit them
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I think last time PG got one case, they demolish level by level and rebuild. Luckily the troubled project not yet built to higher floors like this case, that lessen the loss suffered.
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I meant after discovering such huge safety concern, will u still proceed to sell this prop (maybe subsale in future)? I would feel huge guilt if shits happens years later, becoz I sold this prop to them knowing the huge safety concern.
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Let me ask you this, your company received this project and your team leader pushing you guys to sell it. Providing you all the contact of those interested people, setting a target for each one of you. No sell no money no income, simple rule.

So, would you still have the time to feel guilty while being push by your team lead? Then your colleagues been closing deals, their client’s loan approved, getting those big chunks of commission.

If you do, then this field just not suitable for you my friend.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 8 2024, 06:00 PM)
I think last time PG got one case, they demolish level by level and rebuild. Luckily the troubled project not yet built to higher floors like this case, that lessen the loss suffered.
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omg.. demolish level by level blink.gif ohmy.gif

is a nightmare for those buyer
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Boss, how much roughly this will cost for structural repair ? and how about architectural repair cost ?
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architectural minmun,, a few worker to replaster or skim back again

Structural - maybe 200 to 300k


QUOTE(HP Computer @ Nov 8 2024, 12:29 PM)
If u are the PSP/SP, are u confident to sign off for this rectification?
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if your are the PSP/SP, your will be shitting brick right now on why it failed, your design loading issue or poor material which also fall your under part under the RE scope of works

if me, i rather quickly push for proper rectification rather than fault finding at this stage. Stabilize the structure, study the cause of failure, and rectification and carry on

the fault finding come later

QUOTE(Silfer @ Nov 8 2024, 03:01 PM)
sounds good but even i not confident to stay after rectification. most proper and surekill to gain confident of customer and PR is demolish whole block and re-do.
that crack looks like structure failure on that part / section which could probably means the whole zone which was casted in that area got weak ass concrete (probably failed slump).
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it limited to one unit and more like sheer crack which indicated localized zone. plus the no severe concrete buckling seen on the sheer wall structure which could have indicatedtotal failure

repair is most likely rather than demolished whole block


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QUOTE(jurkflash @ Nov 8 2024, 05:52 PM)
actually what and how to do?

not possible to demolish right? the effect is too huge, it will impact other block or surrounding.

pump the bottom again? cannot also

other block might in risk also, if that block fall will hit them
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Depends on the extent of damage, they could TRY* to jack it up and correct the tilt and pump cement, patch here and there, reinforce the column, underpinning, deep piling all other techniques to try to make it "hit standard".
but jacking up an almost complete building that weight thousands of tons is a significant challenge not to mention the extra cost

the safest way and to regain public trust is to redo from foundation.
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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 8 2024, 06:06 PM)
architectural minmun,, a few worker to replaster or skim back again

Structural - maybe 200 to 300k
if your are the PSP/SP, your will be shitting brick right now on why it failed, your design loading issue or poor material which also fall your under part under the RE scope of works

if me, i rather quickly push for proper rectification rather than fault finding at this stage. Stabilize the structure, study the cause of failure, and rectification and carry on

the fault finding come later
it limited to one unit and more like sheer crack which indicated localized zone. plus the no severe concrete buckling seen on the sheer wall structure which could have indicatedtotal failure

repair is most likely rather than demolished whole block
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For this affected unit, if years later after warranty crack again, can they still seek compensation from developer?
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 8 2024, 05:46 PM)
I meant after discovering such huge safety concern, will u still proceed to sell this prop (maybe subsale in future)? I would feel huge guilt if shits happens years later, becoz I sold this prop to them knowing the huge safety concern.
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Broooo!! Greed has no guilt!!
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QUOTE(Selectt @ Nov 8 2024, 12:37 PM)
Nama Projek. Residensi J Satin (Fasa 1)
Nama Hartanah. Residensi J Satin (Fasa 1)
Jenis Kediaman.
Pemaju. JAYYID LAND SDN BHD.
Alamat Pemaju. Lot No. 2, Galeri PV @ The Ark No. 2, Jalan 3/23A, 53300 Setapak, Kuala Lumpur.
No Tel. Pemaju. 03-41316826.
Email Pemaju. sales@platinumvictory.com.
Tarikh Dijangka Siap. 2027-01-29.

https://residensiwilayah.jwp.gov.my/projek/...Ifp6o9fvnJMxkom
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[quote=thpace,Nov 8 2024, 06:06 PM]
architectural minmun,, a few worker to replaster or skim back again

Structural - maybe 200 to 300k
if your are the PSP/SP, your will be shitting brick right now on why it failed, your design loading issue or poor material which also fall your under part under the RE scope of works

if me, i rather quickly push for proper rectification rather than fault finding at this stage. Stabilize the structure, study the cause of failure, and rectification and carry on

the fault finding come later
it limited to one unit and more like sheer crack which indicated localized zone. plus the no severe concrete buckling seen on the sheer wall structure which could have indicatedtotal failure

repair is most likely rather than demolished whole block
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You sounds like u are PEPC and practice like a layman contractor. How would u rectify a serious matter by this way???

Even an underpinning works would take weeks to redo all SI before come out with a rectification proposal.

U can blow like just a small case for u. 200-300k my ass bro.

Dont ever think you been into high rise project before. Just shit talker.

Mind to disclose ur professional registration number if u were registered to the board? Else u just talking shit

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https://www.gandinganjakel.com/public-notice/

GG, they conlanfirm liao

PUBLIC COOPERATION REQUESTED
We acknowledge the videos and images that have gone viral on social media regarding one of our company’s construction projects.

We would like to inform that all safety measures have been taken in accordance with established safety regulations to ensure the safety of the public and the interests of our buyers.

We want to emphasise that this development has been carefully planned and the construction process implemented is in line with the regulations and ethics practiced by the relevant professional bodies.

At present, we’re teaming up with expert advisors and a special task force to give you a true picture of the project’s status. We want to provide an accurate assessment and to show that the construction site issue has been misrepresented.

We are committed to sharing these insights with the public.

We greatly appreciate the cooperation from the public to stop sharing videos or images and speculating unverified information related to this project.

We believe the facts will speak for themselves and clarify any misconceptions about the situation.

We would like to reiterate our stance that safety aspects have always been our priority in every development project we undertake.

Thank you for your cooperation and support.
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I hope civil and structural engineers & experts from public will be given access to evaluate the finding /report


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BTW, alot of people gonna upcar for this

Damn son
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see the picture of the condo, so beautiful, surrounded by lush greeneries.
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i think this is legit misrepresentation. kek artist impression

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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 8 2024, 07:13 AM)
aiyo.. this type of crack sap sap sui lah.. most like one the collum failure or pile cap failed

do underpinning and top up which parking to floor level again

do steel framing or hydralic support and then pump conconrete (Grade 45) to recast the wall

the bent brc reinforced with A8 or A10 BRC
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I beam support then cast back the shear wall with sika microcrete 217

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If the unit already bought, can the buyer request for loss? Or still mandatory to pay the loan?

Like 1 of the project in gombak, unit completed but owner cannot move in and need to pay for the installments
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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 8 2024, 08:44 PM)
I beam support then cast back the wall.
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the crack wall look like a shear wall

you sure i beam is enough to reinforce it?
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the crack wall look like a shear wall

you sure i beam is enough to reinforce it?
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ibeam ada size punya.
Then cast back with sika microcrete 217
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QUOTE(cubiclecarbonate @ Nov 8 2024, 08:46 PM)
If the unit already bought, can the buyer request for loss? Or still mandatory to pay the loan?

Like 1 of the project in gombak, unit completed but owner cannot move in and need to pay for the installments
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think of it this way la.

if you are paying by cash, any thing happens to the project is between you and the developer

if you are paying by bank loan, any thing happens is still between you and the developer. why should the bank be involved with your decision to purchase the house?

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QUOTE(victorian @ Nov 8 2024, 09:03 PM)
think of it this way la.

if you are paying by cash, any thing happens to the project is between you and the developer

if you are paying by bank loan, any thing happens is still between you and the developer. why should the bank be involved with your decision to purchase the house?
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Meaning, buyers always at the loss side?
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If the unit already bought, can the buyer request for loss? Or still mandatory to pay the loan?

Like 1 of the project in gombak, unit completed but owner cannot move in and need to pay for the installments
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That gombak project, is it Residensi Hektar?
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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 8 2024, 08:44 PM)
I beam support then cast back the shear wall with sika microcrete 217
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i think it would be cheaper to use fiber grade 40 pump concrete to recast back, just the formwork overlapping with new brc to support. Sika nowdays damm lansi, jack up price and limited stock.

stock only upon order even for sika 215

another solution would to forgo the unit and do pure reinforcement for load transfer. the current sheer wall just do cosmetic repair works

anyhow, the best method for now is to do steel bracing immediately and call in surveyor on any further movements




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QUOTE(Alternate Gabriel @ Nov 8 2024, 09:14 PM)
That gombak project, is it Residensi Hektar?
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If i not mistaken, yes

This was the last news

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.astroawani...-462147%3famp=1
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Why such high density project can approve?
Really no guideline at all.

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[quote=thpace,Nov 8 2024, 06:06 PM]
architectural minmun,, a few worker to replaster or skim back again

Structural - maybe 200 to 300k
if your are the PSP/SP, your will be shitting brick right now on why it failed, your design loading issue or poor material which also fall your under part under the RE scope of works

if me, i rather quickly push for proper rectification rather than fault finding at this stage. Stabilize the structure, study the cause of failure, and rectification and carry on

the fault finding come later
it limited to one unit and more like sheer crack which indicated localized zone. plus the no severe concrete buckling seen on the sheer wall structure which could have indicatedtotal failure

repair is most likely rather than demolished whole block
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You sounds like u are PEPC and practice like a layman contractor. How would u rectify a serious matter by this way???

Even an underpinning works would take weeks to redo all SI before come out with a rectification proposal.

U can blow like just a small case for u. 200-300k my ass bro.

Dont ever think you been into high rise project before. Just shit talker.

Mind to disclose ur professional registration number if u were registered to the board? Else u just talking shit
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u must one of those young engineer that want prove to contractors that your theory is better than on site experience or a consultant itself

anyway good luck to your future endeavor

I doubt you even know there something called acceleration cost but its ok.. it normal for engineer like you eat dirt 1st then only humbled by others or played by other main cons



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QUOTE(cubiclecarbonate @ Nov 8 2024, 09:19 PM)
If i not mistaken, yes

This was the last news

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.astroawani...-462147%3famp=1
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My ex colleague bought this project.

Pity too him. Right now still living together with his mother, wife and son.

This project pending too long already
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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 8 2024, 09:18 PM)
i think it would be cheaper to use fiber grade 40  pump concrete to recast back, just the formwork overlapping with new brc to support. Sika nowdays damm lansi, jack up price and limited stock.

stock only upon order even for sika 215

another solution would to forgo the unit and do pure reinforcement for load transfer. the current sheer wall just do cosmetic repair works

anyhow, the best method for now is to do steel bracing immediately and call in surveyor on any further movements
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Yes. but grade 40 takes time to cure to strength. unless get early gain concrete

another option is Bostik. much cheaper and less lansi.

But the problem is their tiles grouting sample got many air bubbles. haha

tengok also feel tak sedap. dono how to recommend them. lol

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QUOTE(Alternate Gabriel @ Nov 8 2024, 09:24 PM)
My ex colleague bought this project.

Pity too him. Right now still living together with his mother, wife and son.

This project pending too long already
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Living with mother with fully paid house still ok. Pity for those who still renting yet to serve the loan as well in the same time.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 8 2024, 08:46 PM)
the crack wall look like a shear wall

you sure i beam is enough to reinforce it?
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temporary support which recasting


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QUOTE(Alternate Gabriel @ Nov 8 2024, 09:24 PM)
My ex colleague bought this project.

Pity too him. Right now still living together with his mother, wife and son.

This project pending too long already
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I also living with my wife and daughter with my parents...

ayam failure in life
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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 8 2024, 09:27 PM)
Yes. but grade 40 takes time to cure to strength. unless get early gain concrete

another option is Bostik. much cheaper and less lansi.

But the problem is their tiles grouting sample got many air bubbles. haha

tengok also feel tak sedap. dono how to recommend them. lol
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tambah calcium formate for accelerator but kena batching on site or neaby batch plant otherwise susah mau pump

repair work take a month at least, ni hack brc and buat balik dah i consider longest method

manatau developer beli fast plug tampal balik. bukan kita tahu pun

bostik pun sika punya.. just lower grade cheaper sikit
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QUOTE(cubiclecarbonate @ Nov 8 2024, 08:46 PM)
If the unit already bought, can the buyer request for loss? Or still mandatory to pay the loan?

Like 1 of the project in gombak, unit completed but owner cannot move in and need to pay for the installments
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separate, loan is loan, house is house. bank cakap it is your problem


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QUOTE(cubiclecarbonate @ Nov 8 2024, 09:11 PM)
Meaning, buyers always at the loss side?
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best they can do is just to blacklist the developer
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QUOTE(cubiclecarbonate @ Nov 8 2024, 10:11 PM)
Meaning, buyers always at the loss side?
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Yes buyer always at the loss side.

Back long ago, there was so many cases where developer run away after receiving money from bank and all the owner needs to pay for it.

Nowadays, payment from bank to developer is according to the completion of the construction.

Done with landscaping, bank will pay ,10%
Done with the building (according to the floor level) pay #%,
Done with whole building, pay #%,
Finally done with everything with the sinking, road everything, bank only give the final %.

By that time owner only can start to pay for installment
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Which insurance cover this?
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 8 2024, 06:51 PM)
I meant if the buyer just recently signed the deal, and the bank has yet to release the fund… maybe the bank will also chicken out at this point. Letting the borrower cancel at this point when fund not yet released is win-win for bank and borrower, unless the developer somehow can bind the bank to the deal. hmm.gif
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Bank already paid certain percentages to the developer already given that the building already build up so high. And owner has to start paying for the interest for the amount released to the bank. No matter what, bank won't loss and always can charge the owner.
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https://www.gandinganjakel.com/public-notice/

GG, they conlanfirm liao

PUBLIC COOPERATION REQUESTED
We acknowledge the videos and images that have gone viral on social media regarding one of our company’s construction projects.

We would like to inform that all safety measures have been taken in accordance with established safety regulations to ensure the safety of the public and the interests of our buyers.

We want to emphasise that this development has been carefully planned and the construction process implemented is in line with the regulations and ethics practiced by the relevant professional bodies.

At present, we’re teaming up with expert advisors and a special task force to give you a true picture of the project’s status. We want to provide an accurate assessment and to show that the construction site issue has been misrepresented.

We are committed to sharing these insights with the public.

We greatly appreciate the cooperation from the public to stop sharing videos or images and speculating unverified information related to this project.

We believe the facts will speak for themselves and clarify any misconceptions about the situation.

We would like to reiterate our stance that safety aspects have always been our priority in every development project we undertake.

Thank you for your cooperation and support.
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The developer said it is misrepresented. I don't know which part is misrepresented.
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QUOTE(KitZhai @ Nov 8 2024, 10:21 PM)
Bank already paid certain percentages to the developer already given that the building already build up so high. And owner has to start paying for the interest for the amount released to the bank. No matter what, bank won't loss and always can charge the owner.
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Well, sometimes there are left over unsold units even after project completion. Maybe someone who just recently sign the deal at this stage could withdrawn from it sweat.gif
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no worry, can proceed with VP, hire defect rectification team to stick some stickers and submit defect, developer will settle, as long as within the 2 years DLP
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hory shiiiiiit luckily i skipped this one

walao weh
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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 8 2024, 06:06 PM)
architectural minmun,, a few worker to replaster or skim back again

Structural - maybe 200 to 300k
if your are the PSP/SP, your will be shitting brick right now on why it failed, your design loading issue or poor material which also fall your under part under the RE scope of works

if me, i rather quickly push for proper rectification rather than fault finding at this stage. Stabilize the structure, study the cause of failure, and rectification and carry on

the fault finding come later
it limited to one unit and more like sheer crack which indicated localized zone. plus the no severe concrete buckling seen on the sheer wall structure which could have indicatedtotal failure

repair is most likely rather than demolished whole block
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How to estimate 200~300k basing on just photos and videos without knowing the reason or even cause?

Why is PSP and not only SP coz this is under structural if it's design loading and material as what you mentioned? Why design issue also fall under RE scope?

If it's you, you will rectify first. But how do you know the people are not rectifying first?

What is sheer crack? Why isn't it Shear crack?
And if it's Shear crack, how does the wall fail in shear when bending and compression is always the most critical force instead of shear?
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Without fault finding how to rectify?
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Nov 9 2024, 12:24 AM)
Well, sometimes there are left over unsold units even after project completion. Maybe someone who just recently sign the deal at this stage could withdrawn from it  sweat.gif
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Signed loan agreement from bank and Snp cannot withdrawn one.

Lucky if just signal prebooking. Booking fees burn only.
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QUOTE(goodiemangold @ Nov 9 2024, 07:17 AM)
How to estimate 200~300k basing on just photos and videos without knowing the reason or even cause?

Why is PSP and not only SP coz this is under structural if it's design loading and material as what you mentioned? Why design issue also fall under RE scope?

If it's you, you will rectify first. But how do you know the people are not rectifying first?

What is sheer crack? Why isn't it Shear crack?
And if it's Shear crack, how does the wall fail in shear when bending and compression is always the most critical force instead of shear?
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from the photo, you cant determine the cause? maybe u need more experience

why PSP? again u need more experience. Hint, who ultimately sign the borang F? PSP or SP?

why not RE scope? if material quality issue, it fall under the RE for his quality inspection prior to casting same goes for the BRC inspection if it not accordance to design

do u understand what is a sheer wall design compare to column and beam design? how does it work and how it load bearing principle is?

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Which insurance cover this?
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Professional engineerimg firm punya professional liability insurance lel

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Professional engineerimg firm punya professional liability insurance lel
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should the main con all risk on rectification

PLI only if confirmed is due to design or supervision issues
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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 9 2024, 08:37 AM)
from the photo, you cant determine the cause? maybe u need more experience

why PSP? again u need more experience. Hint, who ultimately sign the borang F? PSP or SP?

why not RE scope? if material quality issue, it fall under the RE for his quality inspection prior to casting same goes for the BRC inspection if it not accordance to design

do u understand what is a sheer wall design compare to column and beam design? how does it work and how it load bearing principle is?
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From photo I really can't. So I do admire and amazed by your confident in quoting RM200k for repair. Coz I can't see the extent of damage, how many floors, what is affected, and doesn't even know the cause. No original drawings, no details, no BQ, no proposal or rectification details and yet you can figure out the cost of repair.
You're really a very experienced person with high technical and management knowledge with know-how of the in and outs of construction.

I do not understand how Sheer Wall design as I normally heard it them as Shear Walls. Would you be so kind hearted to enlightened us how "Sheer" Wall works? And how do you know the failure is from load bearing?
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From photo I really can't. So I do admire and amazed by your confident in quoting RM200k for repair. Coz I can't see the extent of damage, how many floors, what is affected, and doesn't even know the cause. No original drawings, no details, no BQ, no proposal or rectification details and yet you can figure out the cost of repair.
You're really a very experienced person with high technical and management knowledge with know-how of the in and outs of construction.

I do not understand how Sheer Wall design as I normally heard it them as Shear Walls. Would you be so kind hearted to enlightened us how "Sheer" Wall works? And how do you know the failure is from load bearing?
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Bro no need to talk to this kind of person. I really interested who is he and which company he working or owner. So we can avoid giving him any job.

He can speculate all the design without looking at design calc and talk. Can confirm he is not a practising engineer.

Giving all these crap and misleading the public. What a failure.
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QUOTE(yuzhe28 @ Nov 9 2024, 09:27 AM)
Bro no need to talk to this kind of person. I really interested who is he and which company he working or owner. So we can avoid giving him any job.

He can speculate all the design without looking at design calc and talk. Can confirm he is not a practising engineer.

Giving all these crap and misleading the public. What a failure.
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So, this is your 2nd belittling posting. So tell me, what can you engineer read of the 2 'xyz' therein in post #85. You need a reg no, to reply? Lol

Waiting.
Still waiting

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Simply can fix this? Fixed also scared to stay woi.
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Nearby residence said they heard loud explosion from the crack
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Simply can fix this? Fixed also scared to stay woi.
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Demolish n redo
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QUOTE(goodiemangold @ Nov 9 2024, 07:17 AM)
How to estimate 200~300k basing on just photos and videos without knowing the reason or even cause?

Why is PSP and not only SP coz this is under structural if it's design loading and material as what you mentioned? Why design issue also fall under RE scope?

If it's you, you will rectify first. But how do you know the people are not rectifying first?

What is sheer crack? Why isn't it Shear crack?
And if it's Shear crack, how does the wall fail in shear when bending and compression is always the most critical force instead of shear?
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Corner end usually the shear wall position, if you go for high rise lateral/shear force is crucial as the axial force.

He does got a point there although might need to further investigation.
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QUOTE(goodiemangold @ Nov 9 2024, 09:14 AM)
From photo I really can't. So I do admire and amazed by your confident in quoting RM200k for repair. Coz I can't see the extent of damage, how many floors, what is affected, and doesn't even know the cause. No original drawings, no details, no BQ, no proposal or rectification details and yet you can figure out the cost of repair.
You're really a very experienced person with high technical and management knowledge with know-how of the in and outs of construction.

I do not understand how Sheer Wall design as I normally heard it them as Shear Walls. Would you be so kind hearted to enlightened us how "Sheer" Wall works? And how do you know the failure is from load bearing?
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And BQ wont state much, probably concrete grade or reinforcement size for QS to come to their cost estimate.

But yeah also want to know the details for d 200k figure...

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QUOTE(ycs @ Nov 7 2024, 11:15 PM)
can repair ke? or must demolish?
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Macam matched with the video

Orange & black colour too

Hilat this building
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QUOTE(party @ Nov 7 2024, 07:45 PM)
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Dewan Bandaraya Kuala Lumpur (DBKL) mengarahkan kerja pembinaan di tapak projek J Satine di Wangsa Maju dihentikan serta-merta selepas menerima laporan kejadian letupan akibat kegagalan struktur di Blok C.

#JSatine #wangsamaju #retak #dbkl #mediatelus
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unless you are one of the owners of JSatine laugh.gif laugh.gif

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QUOTE(jesseclane @ Nov 7 2024, 05:48 PM)
Super high density Residensi Wilayah, which located next to Giant Setapak/Puspakom Wangsa Maju

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Anyone got more info? Not sure if got ppl share or not  biggrin.gif

https://www.gandinganjakel.com/j-satine-apartment/
https://residensiwilayah.jwp.gov.my/projek/...Ifp6o9fvnJMxkom

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INSIDEN DI TAPAK PEMBINAAN J SATINE

Dimaklumkan pihak Dewan Bandaraya Kuala Lumpur (DBKL) menerima aduan pada 7 November 2024 daripada penduduk PPR Wangsa Sari berkaitan suatu letupan telah berlaku di tapak pembinaan J Satine disebabkan kegagalan struktur di Blok C, pembangunan J Satine, Wangsa Maju.

Siasatan tapak telah dijalankan oleh DBKL dan mendapati terdapat keretakan pada struktur shear wall, tiang dan lantai pada unit – unit yang berada di tingkat 8 (facilities floor) dan ke atas.

Satu notis di bawah seksyen 70B(2), Akta Jalan, Parit dan Bangunan 1974 (Akta 133) telah dikeluarkan (stop work order) oleh DBKL kepada pihak perunding serta mengarahkan supaya diambil tindakan untuk perkara – perkara seperti berikut :

a. Memberhentikan semua kerja-kerja pembinaan dan menyelenggara tapak bina supaya berada di dalam keadaan bersih dan selamat.

b. Melantik jurutera bebas bagi menjalankan pemeriksaan integriti struktur keseluruhan pembangunan J Satine.

c. Mengemukakan laporan iaitu hasil dari pemeriksaan integriti struktur.

d. Menjalankan kerja-kerja rektifikasi berdasarkan pengesyoran daripada jurutera bebas.
Tempoh pemberhentian pembinaan projek (stop work order) adalah berdasarkan kepada pelaksanaan perkara-perkara di atas. Punca letupan dan kegagalan struktur belum ditentukan sehingga laporan integriti struktur dikemukakan kepada DBKL.
DBKL mengambil perhatian serius terhadap insiden yang berlaku.

Orang awam dinasihatkan agar tidak membuat sebarang spekulasi dan mengeluarkan kenyataan tidak berasas khususnya melalui saluran media sosial.

#KLBandarUntukSemua
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QUOTE(KitZhai @ Nov 8 2024, 10:16 PM)
Yes buyer always at the loss side.

Back long ago, there was so many cases where developer run away after receiving money from bank and all the owner needs to pay for it.

Nowadays, payment from bank to developer is according to the completion of the construction.

Done with landscaping, bank will pay ,10%
Done with the building (according to the floor level) pay #%,
Done with whole building, pay #%,
Finally done with everything with the sinking, road everything, bank only give the final %.

By that time owner only can start to pay for installment
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after completed if developer filed for bankruptcy, owners also still headache, still cannot collect key but must pay instalment some more.

need for another developer to take over to apply for CCC, , handle key handover, handle SPA agreement, maintenance, etc
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QUOTE(machomama @ Nov 7 2024, 08:48 PM)
confirm

user posted image

thank god we have Mr Yam here to expose this massive structure failure

can n will most likely be tutup one
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Towers_collapse

Reminds me of Highland Towers case happened 30 years ago

RIP to all victims sad.gif



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This is a CRITICAL structural failure. Even with "reinforcements" slapping this and that will not help recover the integrity and strength of the building column it once had. Take for a 100mm or 10CM* drop down, it will need to be jacked up mm by mm SLOWLY with extreme precision to patch back the building to normal height. The building is SENYET already(SENYET means 1 side tall 1 side low), it just not as a simple "skim back" as anyone thought would be like a typical VP. This is STRUCTURAL FAILURE.

Source : Trust me bro.
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QUOTE(Haru97 @ Nov 9 2024, 04:49 PM)
This is a CRITICAL structural failure. Even with "reinforcements" slapping this and that will not help recover the integrity and strength of the building column it once had. Take for a 100mm or 10CM* drop down, it will need to be jacked up mm by mm SLOWLY with extreme precision to patch back the building to normal height. The building is SENYET already(SENYET means 1 side tall 1 side low), it just not as a simple "skim back" as anyone thought would be like a typical VP. This is STRUCTURAL FAILURE.

Source : Trust me bro.
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got one /k expert quote 200k to fix the issue


ayam just laughing eat popcorn nia
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 9 2024, 04:52 PM)
got one /k expert quote 200k to fix the issue
ayam just laughing eat popcorn nia
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tu gila punya 200k not enough to buy a unit, let alone fixing a failed building column.
EDIT : probably multiple* columns, we unsure the upper unit is how.

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 9 2024, 04:52 PM)
got one /k expert quote 200k to fix the issue
ayam just laughing eat popcorn nia
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200k undertable kot laugh.gif
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Why a garment seller suddenly build house?

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QUOTE(Pugbunny @ Nov 9 2024, 02:43 PM)
Macam matched with the video

Orange & black colour too

Hilat this building
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last time ayam see similar failure at another development, the developer demolish the whole block until ground level and restart from geotechnical phase

that one i think only 6 or 5 storeys only
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200k undertable kot  laugh.gif
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DBKL people no sohai one, like this 200k nobody want one

this is 'shit hit the fan' level liao
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Nov 9 2024, 05:05 PM)
after completed if developer filed for bankruptcy, owners also still headache, still cannot collect key but must pay instalment some more.

need for another developer to take over to apply for CCC, , handle key handover, handle SPA agreement, maintenance, etc
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Yes, so picking a good developer is an important aspect for buying new project
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Haha, this is funny and true maybe.....
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You sounds like u are PEPC and practice like a layman contractor. How would u rectify a serious matter by this way???

Even an underpinning works would take weeks to redo all SI before come out with a rectification proposal.

U can blow like just a small case for u. 200-300k my ass bro.

Dont ever think you been into high rise project before. Just shit talker.

Mind to disclose ur professional registration number if u were registered to the board? Else u just talking shit
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how much developer pay you to come post this

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QUOTE(MamulaMoon @ Nov 9 2024, 04:27 PM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Towers_collapse

Reminds me of Highland Towers case happened 30 years ago

RIP to all victims sad.gif


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highlands tower is due to landslide not the building design defect itself

infact the tower collapsed intact (fell on its side) instead of straight down

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Last time talam also same la.

The lagoon perdana apartment got structural issue..
Also demolish..

Then sell the land and rebuilt now as d7..

Such crack and burst once viral.. susah get ccc and cf ad one la
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 9 2024, 05:52 PM)
got one /k expert quote 200k to fix the issue
ayam just laughing eat popcorn nia
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the scariest thing is if developer hires this kind of contractor / engineers to rectify this ...

From astro awani "DBKL dalam kenyataan hari ini memaklumkan ia susulan terdapat keretakan pada struktur shear wall, tiang dan lantai unit di tingkat 8 dan ke atas J Satine hasil siasatan terhadap aduan diterima daripada penduduk berhampiran berkaitan berlakunya letupan di tapak itu pada 7 Nov lepas."

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Yes, so picking a good developer is an important aspect for buying new project
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but but this is partially owned by PV group - the one that built most projects in Setapak

of course not very sure how much % of their stakes

TIL this project is actually a JV between jewelry maker and PV group doh.gif
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When this kind of things happen. Feel sad for all the buyers…

If not yet reach the roof. Means the structure cannot support additional load anymore.

Many things need to investigate… wall, rebars, concrete follow standard? PE calculations…

No more buyer from now (at least for me I won’t buy)

I(represent Ayam) think the only way is to demolish and rebuild…
Because we cannot see the inner steel and concrete structure are still good or a broken.
A steel when u bend it and then u pull it back straight it is no longer the same thing…

Coffee finish..

Sekian… hope all the best for all.. 🙏🏻

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QUOTE(BoomerangCircles @ Nov 10 2024, 01:01 AM)
When this kind of things happen. Feel sad for all the buyers…

If not yet reach the roof. Means the structure cannot support additional load anymore.

Many things need to investigate… wall, rebars, concrete follow standard? PE calculations…

No more buyer from now (at least for me I won’t buy)

I(represent Ayam) think the only way is to demolish and rebuild…
Because we cannot see the inner steel and concrete structure are still good or a broken.
A steel when u bend it and then u pull it back straight it is no longer the same thing…

Coffee finish..

Sekian… hope all the best for all.. 🙏🏻
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That's the best but unsure if the developer will do it or not. The costing to rebuild it, they totally will rugi alot
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 9 2024, 05:00 PM)
They are also arms and weapons supplier
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You seems to know a lot about them
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QUOTE(HP Computer @ Nov 9 2024, 06:20 PM)
the scariest thing is if developer hires this kind of contractor / engineers to rectify this ...

From astro awani  "DBKL dalam kenyataan hari ini memaklumkan ia susulan terdapat keretakan pada struktur shear wall, tiang dan lantai unit di tingkat 8 dan ke atas J Satine hasil siasatan terhadap aduan diterima daripada penduduk berhampiran berkaitan berlakunya letupan di tapak itu pada 7 Nov lepas."
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Stupid developer and architect. Wait till complain only take action
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QUOTE(BoomerangCircles @ Nov 10 2024, 12:01 AM)
When this kind of things happen. Feel sad for all the buyers…

If not yet reach the roof. Means the structure cannot support additional load anymore.

Many things need to investigate… wall, rebars, concrete follow standard? PE calculations…

No more buyer from now (at least for me I won’t buy)

I(represent Ayam) think the only way is to demolish and rebuild…
Because we cannot see the inner steel and concrete structure are still good or a broken.
A steel when u bend it and then u pull it back straight it is no longer the same thing…

Coffee finish..

Sekian… hope all the best for all.. 🙏🏻
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Developer got no problem, just setup another company
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Tiada ancaman gempa bumi , no worry lah. whistling.gif:
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Jakel is the land owner la he did'nt build it themselves.Should have check with the C&S consultant what was the cause
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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 7 2024, 11:16 PM)
Actually not a very big matter la.

Very common construction got problem one.

Just not every case got public knows about it.

Just rectify it jer.

Eat into either developer or contractor profit margin.
That was those 80s 90s era lor

Nowadays no one curi besi one.

The engineer have lifetime liability on their buildings
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The one that reported by post.

I hope mods ban you for abusing reports
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The building sinked. Very serious. Foundation failure!

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Why a garment seller suddenly build house?

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JV with Platinum Victory la, bingai
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The building has many cracks. Probably due to foundation failure. Setapak area mostly ex mining land. This building even repaired will not be very safe. Just pity those buyers who have bought the units. The developer is jakel JV with PV.


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QUOTE(R Investor @ Nov 10 2024, 01:08 PM)
The building has many cracks.  Probably due to foundation failure.  Setapak area mostly ex mining land.  This building even repaired will not be very safe.  Just pity those buyers who have bought the units.  The developer is jakel JV with PV.
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no care. poverty guru say: BBBBBBB UUUUUUUUU
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SA4 unit lelong higher than asking price. BBB UUU

Ps: i'm SA4 owner which near JSardin construction
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SA4 unit lelong higher than asking price. BBB UUU

Ps: i'm SA4 owner which near JSardin construction
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How is the site over the weekend?
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Sink hole mining hole..
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Nov 10 2024, 07:24 PM)
Sink hole mining hole..
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ppl tarak baca History one

that darn place full of old mines back then


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Why a garment seller suddenly build house?

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PV thinks that Jakel will provide sufficient enough of garment to fix the cracks
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ppl tarak baca History one

that darn place full of old mines back then
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ah no wonder..
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PV thinks that Jakel will provide sufficient enough of garment to fix the cracks
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Platinum Victory should rebuild and repair the structural foundation by demolishing it and then rebuilding it
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Imagine if no explosion heard, case will not go viral

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Imagine if no explosion heard, case will not go viral
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Go viral not gonna help with anything but will only create panic.


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Go viral not gonna help with anything but will only create panic.
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No viral then will sweep underneath and future problem will involve a lot of lives
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ppl tarak baca History one

that darn place full of old mines back then
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so the geotechnical company must be shitting their pants
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QUOTE(jesseclane @ Nov 7 2024, 05:48 PM)
Super high density Residensi Wilayah, which located next to Giant Setapak/Puspakom Wangsa Maju

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Anyone got more info? Not sure if got ppl share or not  biggrin.gif

https://www.gandinganjakel.com/j-satine-apartment/
https://residensiwilayah.jwp.gov.my/projek/...Ifp6o9fvnJMxkom

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In the picture with the orange circle, can clearly see the crack line on the lower level. Major issue

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Nov 10 2024, 07:43 PM)
ppl tarak baca History one

that darn place full of old mines back then
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Yea about right..

Probably that land it self is maybe a mining land fill area since it is beside Sungai bunus..

Mining need a lot of water, and with sg bunus just beside, it makes a strong co-relation to it..

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No viral then will sweep underneath and future problem will involve a lot of lives
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The engineer endorse is lifetime one.

You think the engineer allow to sweep underneath meh...
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The engineer endorse is lifetime one.

You think the engineer allow to sweep underneath meh...
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All kind of thing can happen in msia ..
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Tear down and rebuild is the only acceptable solution lah....
If some expert tell you that they can repair, grout, underpin, jack it up..... u better avoid it in all cost, ask your Yi Ma Gu Jie to avoid forever....
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Who say can jack it, plaster, rebar ask them to stay there lo
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Who say can jack it, plaster, rebar ask them to stay there lo
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foundation got issue can just plaster back

very genius i tell you these /k expert
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Who say can jack it, plaster, rebar ask them to stay there lo
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Yea

Those fella are just like the
1. Dog lover condemn stray dog shooting but tak mao take the dog in

2. Palestinian supporter but tak mao take palestinian to their own home to stay
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 10 2024, 09:56 PM)
so the geotechnical company must be shitting their pants
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Nov 10 2024, 09:59 PM)
Yea about right..

Probably that land it self is maybe a mining land fill area since it is beside Sungai bunus..

Mining need a lot of water, and with sg bunus just beside, it makes a strong co-relation to it..
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 10 2024, 07:47 PM)
ah no wonder..
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when i referred back to the old map of KL

heck, they even used to have small streams under the jpj wangsa maju area from sungai bunus!


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QUOTE(LuckyBai @ Nov 10 2024, 07:57 PM)
Platinum Victory should rebuild and repair the structural foundation by demolishing it and then rebuilding it
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If you are the developer, and when you see the costs of doing so and then your company P&L, guarantee you will have second thoughts about it.

"Can fix or not"
"How much is to fix it to minimal acceptable quality"
"If we just add support can tahan or not"

QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 10 2024, 08:16 PM)
Go viral not gonna help with anything but will only create panic.
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Not true, viral creates panic but for the right reason. Awareness.

No awareness means sweep under the rug until someone dies.

QUOTE(Boomwick @ Nov 10 2024, 09:53 PM)
No viral then will sweep underneath and future problem will involve a lot of lives
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Yup, some /k can talk cuck because they don't own there / they don't stay in such places / they are involved somewhat with developers in their daily lives.

QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 10 2024, 10:03 PM)
The engineer endorse is lifetime one.

You think the engineer allow to sweep underneath meh...
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Whereas engineering companies can always just sweep under the rug, blame and then replace the engineer. This is Malaysia.

No earthquake also can have structural failure.

And your response so far, tsk tsk.


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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Nov 11 2024, 09:07 AM)
when i referred back to the old map of KL

heck, they even used to have small streams under the jpj wangsa maju area from sungai bunus!
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crazy la
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QUOTE(sadukarzz @ Nov 11 2024, 09:22 AM)
If you are the developer, and when you see the costs of doing so and then your company P&L, guarantee you will have second thoughts about it.

"Can fix or not"
"How much is to fix it to minimal acceptable quality"
"If we just add support can tahan or not"
Not true, viral creates panic but for the right reason. Awareness.

No awareness means sweep under the rug until someone dies.
Yup, some /k can talk cuck because they don't own there / they don't stay in such places / they are involved somewhat with developers in their daily lives.
Whereas engineering companies can always just sweep under the rug, blame and then replace the engineer. This is Malaysia.

No earthquake also can have structural failure.

And your response so far, tsk tsk.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Nov 11 2024, 09:07 AM)
when i referred back to the old map of KL

heck, they even used to have small streams under the jpj wangsa maju area from sungai bunus!
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Evolve concept mall and the apartment next to in Ara

IINM was built over the old Kelana Jaya landfill.....
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Nov 11 2024, 09:07 AM)
when i referred back to the old map of KL

heck, they even used to have small streams under the jpj wangsa maju area from sungai bunus!
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where can I see this map?
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Evolve concept mall and the apartment next to in Ara

IINM was built over the old Kelana Jaya landfill.....
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yup! got issue before

https://www.hba.org.my/news/2002/1002/what_lies_beneath.htm


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QUOTE(9m2w @ Nov 11 2024, 09:26 AM)
Evolve concept mall and the apartment next to in Ara

IINM was built over the old Kelana Jaya landfill.....
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Tats why this mall also cracking..
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tcs bursa announcement

As usual reply.. ask u dont share pix n video.. haha
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Tats why this mall also cracking..
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I remember that article with pics, got remains of compact sampah beneath the construction site

let me search for it back. maybe in my pc

by the way... interesting thread here

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3696311/all
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All here talk a talk b talk c

Fact is the case viral d, value kaput. Even if professional engineer sign off, the price already lausai

Maybe sell to B40 cheap cheap and become the next shit hole la
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QUOTE(dest9116 @ Nov 11 2024, 09:46 AM)
All here talk a talk b talk c

Fact is the case viral d, value kaput. Even if professional engineer sign off, the price already lausai

Maybe sell to B40 cheap cheap and become the next shit hole la
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half of those that comment or viral the videos are not owners and hope the price laosai  tongue.gif
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100k i also wont buy
50k also no

Land sinking down, future dunno wad will happen when people start to move in, do renovation..
Not to mention all the car parking in and hacking drilling and human staying in.. another extra load dunno will see which part of the foundation sinking or cracking down
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QUOTE(dest9116 @ Nov 11 2024, 09:46 AM)
All here talk a talk b talk c

Fact is the case viral d, value kaput. Even if professional engineer sign off, the price already lausai

Maybe sell to B40 cheap cheap and become the next shit hole la
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we can put Puak P inside... but will get critisized we didn't give them the best housing
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Yea

Those fella are just like the
1. Dog lover condemn stray dog shooting but tak mao take the dog in

2. Palestinian supporter but tak mao take palestinian to their own home to stay
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All contractors will say like that, can this can that based on their experience. Standard? Legal? Endorsed? Tadak, their defect period up to 2 years only, after that they will cuci tangan la.

Later crack back, whole building collapse? Eh sdn. Bhd. leh, name also limited liability, heck the developer also just created a new company tcs and jekal, why dowan use main company and just JV? Use brain also know why la.

Engineer? Is true nowadays u pay enough, confirm got one engineer will chop sign off. Majlis? They will just ask u to sign undertaking and fully indemnify them of any claims or legal battles from public.

Now those who buy already shit brix regardless. Shit hole nvm, leaking nvm, column and shear wall crack? Gone
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 10 2024, 10:17 PM)
foundation got issue can just plaster back

very genius i tell you these /k expert
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Got a yellow profile pic guy say this is sapsap water aje, downplaying the issue, offering 200k to fix the issue.
In cases like this we want to UPPLAY instead of downplayying the issue, scare tactic works cause people lifes is at stake.


Over the weekend when I yamcha with my friend who is an actual building engineer,
they say cannot save d this building. Once ground floor start crack it will pull all the way to from ground floor upper floors, no doubt about it.

If they want save other blocks, they can try to seperate the carpark into sections, cut out the failed buiding AND failed shared columns to try and save other blocks.
But doing so would require an intense assessment of whether the other columns can hold the extra weight or stress when the failed ones is seperated, I highly doubt the technology and expertise we had
in malaysia. They would require to cut the concrete, etc to seperate the shared column and building.

Jacking it up is NOT A VIABLE OPTION in this case anymore, SHOULD NOT put into consideration.
Not to mention, "skim back" / "plastering" / "reinforcing failed column" is also NOT AN OPTION.

Just like a plastic pen, when u snap it, you could try to hotglue it back to a usable state where you can still use it to write,
but it will no longer has the previous hardness, and a slight bit of force or squeeze could deform it.
Same like concrete columns, when cracked or snapped or deformed, reinforcing from the outside it is just hotglueing it to make it looks more stable,
doesnt mean that it could withstand earthquakes or slightest bit of ground movement due to nearby construction.

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Should stop all these high density nonsense.

It is an excuse for the developer to say in order to sell cheap need to built more units in a limited area, but in reality its just an excuse for them to earn big bucks.

If gov don't rein in such bullshit... everyone will kena the effects.
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QUOTE(Haru97 @ Nov 11 2024, 09:56 AM)
Got a yellow profile pic guy say this is sapsap water aje, downplaying the issue, offering 200k to fix the issue.
In cases like this we want to UPPLAY instead of downplayying the issue, scare tactic works cause people lifes is at stake.
Over the weekend when I yamcha with my friend who is an actual building engineer,
they say cannot save d this building. Once ground floor start crack it will pull all the way to from ground floor upper floors, no doubt about it.

If they want save other blocks, they can try to seperate the carpark into sections, cut out the failed buiding AND failed shared columns to try and save other blocks.
But doing so would require an intense assessment of whether the other columns can hold the extra weight or stress when the failed ones is seperated, I highly doubt the technology and expertise we had
in malaysia. They would require to cut the concrete, etc to seperate the shared column and building.

Jacking it up is NOT A VIABLE OPTION in this case anymore, SHOULD NOT put into consideration.
Not to mention, "skim back" / "plastering" / "reinforcing failed column" is also NOT AN OPTION.

Just like a plastic pen, when u snap it, you could try to hotglue it back to a usable state where you can still use it to write,
but it will no longer has the previous hardness, and a slight bit of force or squeeze could deform it.
Same like concrete columns, when cracked or snapped or deformed, reinforcing from the outside it is just hotglueing it to make it looks more stable,
doesnt mean that it could withstand earthquakes or slightest bit of ground movement due to nearby construction.
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200k makan tahi la him

20m also cant do shit
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QUOTE(Haru97 @ Nov 11 2024, 09:56 AM)
Got a yellow profile pic guy say this is sapsap water aje, downplaying the issue, offering 200k to fix the issue.
In cases like this we want to UPPLAY instead of downplayying the issue, scare tactic works cause people lifes is at stake.
Over the weekend when I yamcha with my friend who is an actual building engineer,
they say cannot save d this building. Once ground floor start crack it will pull all the way to from ground floor upper floors, no doubt about it.

If they want save other blocks, they can try to seperate the carpark into sections, cut out the failed buiding AND failed shared columns to try and save other blocks.
But doing so would require an intense assessment of whether the other columns can hold the extra weight or stress when the failed ones is seperated, I highly doubt the technology and expertise we had
in malaysia. They would require to cut the concrete, etc to seperate the shared column and building.

Jacking it up is NOT A VIABLE OPTION in this case anymore, SHOULD NOT put into consideration.
Not to mention, "skim back" / "plastering" / "reinforcing failed column" is also NOT AN OPTION.

Just like a plastic pen, when u snap it, you could try to hotglue it back to a usable state where you can still use it to write,
but it will no longer has the previous hardness, and a slight bit of force or squeeze could deform it.
Same like concrete columns, when cracked or snapped or deformed, reinforcing from the outside it is just hotglueing it to make it looks more stable,
doesnt mean that it could withstand earthquakes or slightest bit of ground movement due to nearby construction.
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Actually no need engineer to see also know this building is no longer safe. Scary to think what they do to fix it.
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highland tower 2.0 in kambing...gg
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I suspect for sure wont tear down and rebuilt.

Absolute worst case would be the developer run away and just abandone the project.
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I suspect for sure wont tear down and rebuilt.

Absolute worst case would be the developer run away and just abandone the project.
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Yeah, i have the same feeling too. Although i do wish that the developer and engineer will really tear it down and rebuild, and to show that malaysia still got responsible professional, and still got hope... but Malaysia Boleh always disappointing....

There are many Boleh Expert in our country, they definitely possible to find xyz from the abcd...z to hero this building....
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Nov 11 2024, 09:07 AM)
when i referred back to the old map of KL

heck, they even used to have small streams under the jpj wangsa maju area from sungai bunus!
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this type of design, those buy facing inside and lower floors would not have much of a breeze
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Request one missile can demolished the block precisely like IDF
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QUOTE(Virlution @ Nov 11 2024, 10:49 AM)
this type of design, those buy facing inside and lower floors would not have much of a breeze
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You get swimming pool view weh


Bikini weh


Ohwai
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will affect foundation thus affect other blocks also no?
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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 7 2024, 11:16 PM)
Actually not a very big matter la.

Very common construction got problem one.

Just not every case got public knows about it.

Just rectify it jer.

Eat into either developer or contractor profit margin.
That was those 80s 90s era lor

Nowadays no one curi besi one.

The engineer have lifetime liability on their buildings
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Will have a lot of issues for this major failure. Even if they can fix and some poor sap is willing to stay in it, nobody will insure it. Also will devalue immediately.
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You get swimming pool view weh
Bikini weh
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not the usual tudung swimmers in tshirts and tracks??
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Nov 11 2024, 09:39 AM)
tcs bursa announcement

As usual reply.. ask u dont share pix n video.. haha
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Too late. So many people have seen the video. bangwall.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(Haru97 @ Nov 11 2024, 09:56 AM)
Got a yellow profile pic guy say this is sapsap water aje, downplaying the issue, offering 200k to fix the issue.
In cases like this we want to UPPLAY instead of downplayying the issue, scare tactic works cause people lifes is at stake.
Over the weekend when I yamcha with my friend who is an actual building engineer,
they say cannot save d this building. Once ground floor start crack it will pull all the way to from ground floor upper floors, no doubt about it.

If they want save other blocks, they can try to seperate the carpark into sections, cut out the failed buiding AND failed shared columns to try and save other blocks.
But doing so would require an intense assessment of whether the other columns can hold the extra weight or stress when the failed ones is seperated, I highly doubt the technology and expertise we had
in malaysia. They would require to cut the concrete, etc to seperate the shared column and building.

Jacking it up is NOT A VIABLE OPTION in this case anymore, SHOULD NOT put into consideration.
Not to mention, "skim back" / "plastering" / "reinforcing failed column" is also NOT AN OPTION.

Just like a plastic pen, when u snap it, you could try to hotglue it back to a usable state where you can still use it to write,
but it will no longer has the previous hardness, and a slight bit of force or squeeze could deform it.
Same like concrete columns, when cracked or snapped or deformed, reinforcing from the outside it is just hotglueing it to make it looks more stable,
doesnt mean that it could withstand earthquakes or slightest bit of ground movement due to nearby construction.
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his train of thought is not wrong if the construction hasnt reach the top level to rectify it that way but if at low level also cracked dy means something is wrong at the foundation / piling. thats why i still feel demolish is still the best way to both PR and safety. no point patch here and there, ayam see also takut
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Soe consult many big project development in hand. The problem lies to the COW on site. Someone sleeping there.
Or some smart alex developer play value engineering on design changes. 😂

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if demolish, where to dump all the multistorey of concrete? they are not even recyclable at this point of time
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if demolish, where to dump all the multistorey of concrete? they are not even recyclable at this point of time
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far far away ...usually they will fill in potential site (pond) for redevelopment.
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oof. Is this going to be the highest planned demolished building in Malaysia?
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Initial findings show explosion not caused by us, says condo contractor
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TCS Group Holdings Bhd says, however, it is working closely with the developer and consultants to determine the cause of the incident.


PETALING JAYA: The main contractor for the construction of an apartment block in Wangsa Maju, which was issued a stop-work order by Kuala Lumpur City Hall (DBKL) following an explosion at the site, said initial findings suggest that the incident was not caused by them.

TCS Group Holdings Bhd, whose subsidiary, TCS Construction Sdn Bhd, is the main contractor of the J Satine development, said it is working closely with the developer and consultants to determine the cause of the explosion.
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there no way to rectify this

demolish one quarter of top floor (5 levels maybe) to reduce the building loading

compensate 5levels purchaser, then below can do all sort rectification

without reducing the loading of building, there no way can rescue this project d
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QUOTE(luzdeexpo @ Nov 11 2024, 12:38 PM)
Initial findings show explosion not caused by us, says condo contractor
FMT Reporters
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11 Nov 2024, 10:29 AM
TCS Group Holdings Bhd says, however, it is working closely with the developer and consultants to determine the cause of the incident.
PETALING JAYA: The main contractor for the construction of an apartment block in Wangsa Maju, which was issued a stop-work order by Kuala Lumpur City Hall (DBKL) following an explosion at the site, said initial findings suggest that the incident was not caused by them.

TCS Group Holdings Bhd, whose subsidiary, TCS Construction Sdn Bhd, is the main contractor of the J Satine development, said it is working closely with the developer and consultants to determine the cause of the explosion.
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So magic happen and their building just crack like that?
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I just wait for Highland tower part two. We never learn. Better yet, my condolence to future victims.
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QUOTE(luzdeexpo @ Nov 11 2024, 12:38 PM)
Initial findings show explosion not caused by us, says condo contractor
FMT Reporters
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11 Nov 2024, 10:29 AM
TCS Group Holdings Bhd says, however, it is working closely with the developer and consultants to determine the cause of the incident.
PETALING JAYA: The main contractor for the construction of an apartment block in Wangsa Maju, which was issued a stop-work order by Kuala Lumpur City Hall (DBKL) following an explosion at the site, said initial findings suggest that the incident was not caused by them.

TCS Group Holdings Bhd, whose subsidiary, TCS Construction Sdn Bhd, is the main contractor of the J Satine development, said it is working closely with the developer and consultants to determine the cause of the explosion.
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Of cuz not cause by them lo

Cause by mother nature and below earth sink ma..
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any chance buyers can escape from the loan? kesien buyers
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QUOTE(Haru97 @ Nov 11 2024, 09:56 AM)
Got a yellow profile pic guy say this is sapsap water aje, downplaying the issue, offering 200k to fix the issue.
In cases like this we want to UPPLAY instead of downplayying the issue, scare tactic works cause people lifes is at stake.
Over the weekend when I yamcha with my friend who is an actual building engineer,
they say cannot save d this building. Once ground floor start crack it will pull all the way to from ground floor upper floors, no doubt about it.

If they want save other blocks, they can try to seperate the carpark into sections, cut out the failed buiding AND failed shared columns to try and save other blocks.
But doing so would require an intense assessment of whether the other columns can hold the extra weight or stress when the failed ones is seperated, I highly doubt the technology and expertise we had
in malaysia. They would require to cut the concrete, etc to seperate the shared column and building.

Jacking it up is NOT A VIABLE OPTION in this case anymore, SHOULD NOT put into consideration.
Not to mention, "skim back" / "plastering" / "reinforcing failed column" is also NOT AN OPTION.

Just like a plastic pen, when u snap it, you could try to hotglue it back to a usable state where you can still use it to write,
but it will no longer has the previous hardness, and a slight bit of force or squeeze could deform it.
Same like concrete columns, when cracked or snapped or deformed, reinforcing from the outside it is just hotglueing it to make it looks more stable,
doesnt mean that it could withstand earthquakes or slightest bit of ground movement due to nearby construction.
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I replied him he said i have no experience wor? Hehehe

There is another guy also supporting him and challenged my comments.

Really hope both of this guy reveal their company. Lets see who they are. Hehehe
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Nov 9 2024, 05:41 PM)
how much developer pay you to come post this
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Read my comment carefully bro. Im against this fella 200k rectification proposal without any ground investigation and throwing these rubbish proposal.

Its not as easy as any crackline and grouting.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 11 2024, 12:48 PM)
So magic happen and their building just crack like that?
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BLAMING GAME begins..

now blame explosion

later blame a bird shit on the condo...hence, weight difference.
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Nov 11 2024, 09:26 AM)
Evolve concept mall and the apartment next to in Ara

IINM was built over the old Kelana Jaya landfill.....
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Ex kepong, puncak jalil landfill 🤔

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Is the explosion really happen? Anyone have sound/video?
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QUOTE(HP Computer @ Nov 11 2024, 12:59 PM)
any chance buyers can escape from the loan? kesien buyers
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deswai dunno why our gov don have implement hybrid build then sell system here as a start..
SP Setia dont this for their melbourne condo project before..

buyer pay 10% downpayment into a trustee account
developer build by applying for bank loan under their name
upon completion buyer have to settle the remaining 90% with cash or a bank loan
if buyer cannot settle, developer telan the 10% profit

this protects both the buyer and seller..

if project abandoned or got problem, buyer gets the 10% back..
developer and bank telan all the losses..
if buyer no money, developer earns 10% net profit and gets to sell the unit again.
if developer confident with their market research, it is also a win win..




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QUOTE(TRAZE99 @ Nov 11 2024, 11:49 AM)
far far away ...usually they will fill in potential site (pond) for redevelopment.
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No need go so far.

Here got potential site already

https://www.thestar.com.my/metro/metro-news...evelopment-plan
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explosion? What explosion? nobody heard pun. didnt see anyone mentioned it as well. and i stay close enough to hear kot if really damage so high.
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QUOTE(luzdeexpo @ Nov 11 2024, 12:38 PM)
Initial findings show explosion not caused by us, says condo contractor
FMT Reporters
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11 Nov 2024, 10:29 AM
TCS Group Holdings Bhd says, however, it is working closely with the developer and consultants to determine the cause of the incident.
PETALING JAYA: The main contractor for the construction of an apartment block in Wangsa Maju, which was issued a stop-work order by Kuala Lumpur City Hall (DBKL) following an explosion at the site, said initial findings suggest that the incident was not caused by them.

TCS Group Holdings Bhd, whose subsidiary, TCS Construction Sdn Bhd, is the main contractor of the J Satine development, said it is working closely with the developer and consultants to determine the cause of the explosion.
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Waiting for third party investigation. Self investigation not trusted, just like Boeing.
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astro news said if continuously stop work for 6mth then can cancel the snp lerr, can claim back then, but successful or not another story la
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Now blame explosion pulak. Bangla main mercun pun boleh tumbangkan bangunan
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QUOTE(seather @ Nov 11 2024, 01:13 PM)
deswai dunno why our gov don have implement hybrid build then sell system here as a start..
SP Setia dont this for their melbourne condo project before..

buyer pay 10% downpayment into a trustee account
developer build by applying for bank loan under their name
upon completion buyer have to settle the remaining 90% with cash or a bank loan
if buyer cannot settle, developer telan the 10% profit

this protects both the buyer and seller..

if project abandoned or got problem, buyer gets the 10% back..
developer and bank telan all the losses..
if buyer no money, developer earns 10% net profit and gets to sell the unit again.
if developer confident with their market research, it is also a win win..
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Boleh je gov implement this, but there will be a huge set back for this.

Right now developer are claiming the payment progressively from the buyer/bank, and they do not need as much capital to start a new project.

Now if you want the developer to complete the project first and then sell:

1. only the cash rich/famous developer is capable to do this, the small boutique one will go out of business as they do not have so much capital to complete a project on their own
2. property price will definitely increase as the developer are the one bearing 100% of the risk/progressive interest during the few years of construction
3. there will be much fewer new launches, subsale price will increase to match the new project prices, rental increase and there will be a domino effect on the market

Now do we really want this just because a few projects failed?

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QUOTE(Nanti Sekejap @ Nov 11 2024, 01:25 PM)
astro news said if continuously stop work for 6mth then can cancel the snp lerr, can claim back then, but successful or not another story la
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every 5th month kasi pocket for DBKL...
stop 5 month, start 1 day...keep repeat ......
snp forever cant cancel...
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if demolish, where to dump all the multistorey of concrete? they are not even recyclable at this point of time
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cant it be crush down and reused by mixing with new concrete for making lets say foundation of new building? or at least use on non critical part.

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Nov 11 2024, 01:32 PM)
every 5th month kasi pocket for DBKL...
stop 5 month, start 1 day...keep repeat ......
snp forever cant cancel...
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actually i dun care
what worry me the most is the gomen will kesian the buyer and 'subsidise'/help them with my money, isnt this projuct rumah wip? buyer=b40?
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QUOTE(vexus @ Nov 11 2024, 11:43 AM)
Soe consult many big project development in hand. The problem lies to the COW on site. Someone sleeping there.
Or some smart alex developer play value engineering on design changes. 😂
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Website says they are only setup in 2019?
Isn't that considered a newly formed company especially an engineering consultancy 🤔
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QUOTE(Nanti Sekejap @ Nov 11 2024, 01:37 PM)
actually i dun care
what worry me the most is the gomen will kesian the buyer and 'subsidise'/help them with my money, isnt this projuct rumah wip? buyer=b40?
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i also hink developer will lari and those buyer will start pledge to govt to help them...
then madanon will keluar duit to rebuilt the whole thing.....
developer just enjoy the free money...

or worst, madanon givt money to developer to rectify the building....
whch just like thos /k expert say...repaste with cement only....
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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Nov 11 2024, 01:17 PM)
No need go so far.

Here got potential site already

https://www.thestar.com.my/metro/metro-news...evelopment-plan
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APA CITER NOW? wat project ongoing liao?
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astro news said if continuously stop work for 6mth then can cancel the snp lerr, can claim back then, but successful or not another story la
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Even abandoned project also need to pay back the bank...how to escape ?
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APA CITER NOW? wat project ongoing liao?
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Read my comment carefully bro. Im against this fella 200k rectification proposal without any ground investigation and throwing these rubbish proposal.

Its not as easy as any crackline and grouting.
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they will dig and reinforce the foundation, then buy back certain units and install additional load bearing support bracing so the side will not buckle....

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those who get buy back will be lucky, those who did not might have to pray hard
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they will dig and reinforce the foundation, then buy back certain units and install additional load bearing support bracing so the side will not buckle....

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those who get buy back will be lucky, those who did not might have to pray hard
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OMG. where's this picture taken from?
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Won't buy back, they will exchanges with other unit..
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Additional rebar to strengthen the load bearing structures.....
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Initial findings show explosion not caused by us, says condo contractor
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TCS Group Holdings Bhd says, however, it is working closely with the developer and consultants to determine the cause of the incident.
PETALING JAYA: The main contractor for the construction of an apartment block in Wangsa Maju, which was issued a stop-work order by Kuala Lumpur City Hall (DBKL) following an explosion at the site, said initial findings suggest that the incident was not caused by them.

TCS Group Holdings Bhd, whose subsidiary, TCS Construction Sdn Bhd, is the main contractor of the J Satine development, said it is working closely with the developer and consultants to determine the cause of the explosion.
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the statement already show the true color

havent determined the cause but already "its not us"

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QUOTE(hax123 @ Nov 11 2024, 02:46 PM)
the statement already show the true color

havent determined the cause but already "its not us"

doh.gif
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takkan admit and let the stock drop like crazy
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fuhhhhhh, i almost place booking for this weeyyyyyyyyyy
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fuhhhhhh, i almost place booking for this weeyyyyyyyyyy
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QUOTE(Virlution @ Nov 11 2024, 03:28 PM)
they will dig and reinforce the foundation, then buy back certain units and install additional load bearing support bracing so the side will not buckle....

user posted image

those who get buy back will be lucky, those who did not might have to pray hard
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cannot see pictures... boleh share balik?
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APA CITER NOW? wat project ongoing liao?
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I mean OK la nothing wrong with diversifying but if you don't get it right llke here.....
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QUOTE(DValentine @ Nov 11 2024, 03:48 PM)
PPL iz berhad bro

takkan admit and let the stock drop like crazy
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QUOTE(Virlution @ Nov 11 2024, 02:28 PM)
they will dig and reinforce the foundation, then buy back certain units and install additional load bearing support bracing so the side will not buckle....

user posted image

those who get buy back will be lucky, those who did not might have to pray hard
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QUOTE(Virlution @ Nov 11 2024, 02:40 PM)
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Additional rebar to strengthen the load bearing structures.....
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if rectify liddat local council also dare to issue cf/ccc, then the developer sure has to organise big big trick or treat haloween party to give big big candy, lol
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QUOTE(Virlution @ Nov 11 2024, 02:40 PM)
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Additional rebar to strengthen the load bearing structures.....
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But they need to fix the failed foundation first


How to fix the failed pile?
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i also hink developer will lari and those buyer will start pledge to govt to help them...
then madanon will keluar duit to rebuilt the whole thing.....
developer just enjoy the free money...

or worst, madanon givt money to developer to rectify the building....
whch just like thos /k expert say...repaste with cement only....
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Where got so easy incept abandoned project. There are hundreds of abandoned projects in M'sia currently, how many govt can and will save ?
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QUOTE(ahchat @ Nov 11 2024, 03:57 PM)
fuhhhhhh, i almost place booking for this weeyyyyyyyyyy
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Imagine U was about to pick that exact unit in the photo but Ur loan tak Lepas.

Fuhhhhh dodged a bazooka bullet
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Where got so easy incept abandoned project. There are hundreds of abandoned projects in M'sia currently, how many govt can and will save ?
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project mahakaya biar jer
ni project b40, 'top priority'
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Where got so easy incept abandoned project. There are hundreds of abandoned projects in M'sia currently, how many govt can and will save ?
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That's why must implement build first then sell. Else full of shit construction company like this.
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I think there is one case that affordable housing at Jelutong, Penang.
It has to demolish due to safety reason.

https://www.penangpropertytalk.com/2020/08/...-safety-reason/
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QUOTE(victorian @ Nov 11 2024, 01:28 PM)
Boleh je gov implement this, but there will be a huge set back for this.

Right now developer are claiming the payment progressively from the buyer/bank, and they do not need as much capital to start a new project.

Now if you want the developer to complete the project first and then sell:

1. only the cash rich/famous developer is capable to do this, the small boutique one will go out of business as they do not have so much capital to complete a project on their own
2. property price will definitely increase as the developer are the one bearing 100% of the risk/progressive interest during the few years of construction
3. there will be much fewer new launches, subsale price will increase to match the new project prices, rental increase and there will be a domino effect on the market

Now do we really want this just because a few projects failed?
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the problem now is developers and banks are bearing almost zero risks...

i am not saying full BTS.. but hybrid BTS.... where if a project fails, the buyer isn't left in total ruins....

look at China.. their STB program have also lead to an unhealthy housing market and prices arent cheap too..
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So the expert here said 200k can settle, really can ? Should hire as COO.
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So the expert here said 200k can settle, really can ? Should hire as COO.
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how settle? pintu belakang?
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So the expert here said 200k can settle, really can ? Should hire as COO.
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U belum baca habis, 200k per floor top up.
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lol… looks so logic.. but hell no.

This is totally different things. This is strengthen.
While the structure already broken. Only way is rebuild.
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QUOTE(sadukarzz @ Nov 11 2024, 09:22 AM)
If you are the developer, and when you see the costs of doing so and then your company P&L, guarantee you will have second thoughts about it.

"Can fix or not"
"How much is to fix it to minimal acceptable quality"
"If we just add support can tahan or not"
Not true, viral creates panic but for the right reason. Awareness.

No awareness means sweep under the rug until someone dies.
Yup, some /k can talk cuck because they don't own there / they don't stay in such places / they are involved somewhat with developers in their daily lives.
Whereas engineering companies can always just sweep under the rug, blame and then replace the engineer. This is Malaysia.

No earthquake also can have structural failure.

And your response so far, tsk tsk.
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Platinum Victor's values not building good building right? How come their values can sweep under the carpet when it comes to cost involments?



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QUOTE(fumitachi @ Nov 11 2024, 03:48 PM)
I think there is one case that affordable housing at Jelutong, Penang.
It has to demolish due to safety reason.

https://www.penangpropertytalk.com/2020/08/...-safety-reason/
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Penang very good

Dont compromise
If design flaw must totally demolish
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First who gg is the buyer, because the whole development is not going to complete. Will leave it there for years if no immediate danger. Else, DBKL need to pay to demolish the building. Don't expect maincon and developer going to demolish the building.
Unless proof that the design is flaws, else structure engineer won't kena so much. Resident engineer is the one who sign before concrete, he's the one who kena. Since no one die, so the RE might get away from jail term.
Maincon just tutup kedai liao unless they can proof that is the design problem, but Malaysia structural engineer very kiasi they seldom under design, unless they received money from main con to do so.
Developer won't immediately bankrup but that piece of land and the money spended will go into longkang. Unless they are very rich else they better bankrup lah.

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they cant afford a highland tower 2.0 on their hands

just demolish, use ground-penetrating radar to ensure really no sinkhole or any shit liddat, check water table baru rebuilt
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QUOTE(fumitachi @ Nov 11 2024, 03:48 PM)
I think there is one case that affordable housing at Jelutong, Penang.
It has to demolish due to safety reason.

https://www.penangpropertytalk.com/2020/08/...-safety-reason/
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oh.. didnt notice it was gone after MCO.. hahahaha..
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Platinum Victor's values not building good building right? How come their values can sweep under the carpet when it comes to cost involments?
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If companies honor their "company values"

And the market takes their word for it

Then I should change industry to sell properties blush.gif
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pity the buyers...really kns bad luck like this...
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pity the buyers...really kns bad luck like this...
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And one of the project use value engineering for their structure.
Y18 become y16 .

Back then engineers always over design 10-20% for safety purpose .



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Where got so easy incept abandoned project. There are hundreds of abandoned projects in M'sia currently, how many govt can and will save ?
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thats why nowadays you need to go viral if want it to get solved. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(sadukarzz @ Nov 11 2024, 09:22 AM)
If you are the developer, and when you see the costs of doing so and then your company P&L, guarantee you will have second thoughts about it.

"Can fix or not"
"How much is to fix it to minimal acceptable quality"
"If we just add support can tahan or not"
Not true, viral creates panic but for the right reason. Awareness.

No awareness means sweep under the rug until someone dies.
Yup, some /k can talk cuck because they don't own there / they don't stay in such places / they are involved somewhat with developers in their daily lives.
Whereas engineering companies can always just sweep under the rug, blame and then replace the engineer. This is Malaysia.

No earthquake also can have structural failure.

And your response so far, tsk tsk.
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viral then so what? the general public will come help this issue?
will the general public come help the home buyer?

below is the only thing you will get from viral

QUOTE(agility @ Nov 11 2024, 11:13 AM)
Will have a lot of issues for this major failure. Even if they can fix and some poor sap is willing to stay in it, nobody will insure it. Also will devalue immediately.
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What is the devoper's previous project? Is this their virgin project?
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QUOTE(BoomerangCircles @ Nov 11 2024, 04:56 PM)
lol… looks so logic.. but hell no.

This is totally different things. This is strengthen.
While the structure already broken. Only way is rebuild.
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this is structural repair.
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if rectify liddat local council also dare to issue cf/ccc, then the developer sure has to organise big big trick or treat haloween party to give big big candy, lol
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not yet concrete, later concrete they will sell again, people will notice the bigger support pillar, it is in the contract clause that there might be small % in size difference, buyer's balls kena hold liao....


QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 11 2024, 03:33 PM)
But they need to fix the failed foundation first
How to fix the failed pile?
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foundation usually solid, but structure lain cerita, especially when they use chemical mix instead of full concrete and heavy rebar. hence the building crack when it lean one side
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QUOTE(ciwi1166 @ Nov 12 2024, 07:15 AM)
thats why nowadays you need to go viral if want it to get solved. laugh.gif
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viral also no use la. google residensi hektar gombak. i'm quite sure it's 100% bumi buyer from the comments in social media.

government also don't wanna help blush.gif
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QUOTE(Virlution @ Nov 11 2024, 10:49 AM)
this type of design, those buy facing inside and lower floors would not have much of a breeze
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QUOTE(fookie @ Nov 12 2024, 08:31 AM)
viral also no use la. google residensi hektar gombak. i'm quite sure it's 100% bumi buyer from the comments in social media.

government also don't wanna help blush.gif
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that one already classified as sick project already. really GG

https://malaysiagazette.com/2024/01/23/proj...kategori-sakit/

http://paragreneland.com.my

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QUOTE(fookie @ Nov 12 2024, 08:31 AM)
viral also no use la. google residensi hektar gombak. i'm quite sure it's 100% bumi buyer from the comments in social media.

government also don't wanna help blush.gif
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rumahwip no one care??

https://www.bharian.com.my/berita/nasional/...google_vignette
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QUOTE(Virlution @ Nov 12 2024, 08:47 AM)
u see my reply above

summore the company ada hati mau masuk Bursa

https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/propert...oat-main-market

KUALA LUMPUR (Oct 7): Property developer Paragrene Land Bhd is to float on the Main Market of Bursa Malaysia, with the funds raised from the exercise to be used to pay for project development expenses.
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QUOTE(fookie @ Nov 12 2024, 08:31 AM)
viral also no use la. google residensi hektar gombak. i'm quite sure it's 100% bumi buyer from the comments in social media.

government also don't wanna help blush.gif
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two of my kolik bought this one. so kesian one.
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QUOTE(Virlution @ Nov 12 2024, 08:47 AM)
Lol. Rumahwip 2017, the last few of the old national housing framework

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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 12 2024, 07:39 AM)
viral then so what? the general public will come help this issue?
will the general public come help the home buyer?

below is the only thing you will get from viral
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I mean you should re-read the term, awareness.

Awareness in the sense that the public should be aware of the developer, main con, sub con involved so public can know which to avoid or becareful with. Risk management then can be done appropriately i.e. Pre-purchase insurance, check agreement properly before signing.

Awareness in the sense that the public will take note of the cracks, understanding which one is detrimental and which is aesthetics. i.e. The difference between Shear wall crack vs load bearing core cracks. Thus, prevent future misinformation.

Awareness in the sense that public will also be in the know for any developers (rather than their known subsidiaries that are wind up), of past wrongdoings, if any. Self explanatory.

Awareness in the manner that the developer, main con and sub con, will take heed of the design flaws if any, scrutinize the material package and loading package, if any. At the very least, they would know which material did not work. Self explanatory.

Awareness in the sense that DBKL or any city council, will proactively ensure that the safety of the site check is mandatory by any future projects. Again, self explanatory.

If we are to use your logic of "so what?"

Then there is no reason to improve on anything that is broken no? Air plane crash investigation, no need to do; Misappropriation by funds, no need to do; Online scam and frauds, no need to share info. Go viral can do what for the people that is being scammed? TO SPREAD AWARENESS SO OTHERS WONT KENA IN FUTURE.

Also, while you are at it, you should reflect on yourself too. If you don't think that the awareness is important to you or the people around you, ignore. Easy. You won't even have to press a button, scroll through.

But by you sharing your "so what?" ideology, shows your ignorance in general.

Troll all you want, you can only type so loud because you weren't the one impacted nor you have anything to do with property at this time being.

But once you are in their shoes, then your perspective changes. Deny, project, dismiss all you want. I don't have to explain further, you have a long life ahead, and it won't be all sunshine and rainbows, thus so you would then remember the days, where you hoped that someone had reminded you so you did not have to commit to that mistake.
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they will dig and reinforce the foundation, then buy back certain units and install additional load bearing support bracing so the side will not buckle....

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the picture refers to strengthening work to strengthen old building or to add more strength to new additional floors.

how about structure that has sunk in by 100-200mm or more?

hydraulic jack 44floors with massive weight on it?. ohmy.gif

Right now the building has sunk in by its own weight, if add live load once purchaser stay it. how? ohmy.gif

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QUOTE(ameer88 @ Nov 12 2024, 12:03 PM)
the picture refers to strengthening work to strengthen old building or to add more strength to new additional floors.

how about structure that has sunk in by 100-200mm or more?

we are talking about 44floors with massive weight to it.  ohmy.gif
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Yes.

If it is foundation problem, building settled still can do underpinning.

This case is a severe structural failure at the bottom of the building. Unlikely to be fixable.
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the picture refers to strengthening work to strengthen old building or to add more strength to new additional floors.

how about structure that has sunk in by 100-200mm or more?

we are talking about 44floors with massive weight to it.  ohmy.gif
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read this, someone also mention about the issue is cause by the structure not foundation sinking.

Foundation sinking, the whole site will need to be demolished, cause you cant rescue just one part

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=110764436
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Yes.

If it is foundation problem, building settled still can do underpinning.

This case is a severe structural failure at the bottom of the building. Unlikely to be fixable.
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hm, let share something..

IF ya, IF only ya, if the scenario (let call Scenario 1), the settlement started at foundation, which founded on the incompetent limestone formation, and the foundation has caused the settlement and the basement structure settlement as more than 100mm as rumoured.
The structural wall at the lowest unit (above the carpark) cracked severely.

A finite element structural (FEM) model shall be conducted, to simulate the current situation which some wall supports have been damaged (or lost), with push over analysis, to theoretically identify affected structure (wall, structural framing elements, transfer structure), to check what is the extent of the stresses re-distribution. Of course, this is desktop study, asbuilt on site investigation also needed to be done to verify whether currently damage extent matching the analysis part (how much the building deformed, what kind of cracking behaviour, etc). To determine the structure (whole part) whether is in overstress condition above ultimate design resistance? or above service limit stage but still within the ultimate design requirement? for all the structural elements.
Ok, i try to simplify this, if a table lost 1 of it's leg (out of many legs, maybe 5 maybe 6 maybe more), and if the table is still stable, means the adjacent legs may act to help this OKU leg, and we need to understand the situation of remaining legs. And building structural framing is more complex than this.
This part is relatively straight forward if you got a good engineering expert to do.

Ok, come to slightly tedious part. Further to scenario 1, IF (if again ar) the building found to be in accepted deflected position (in layman, not titled very badly and acceptable structural tolerance), only part of the structural (maybe big part maybe small part) damaged and needed to be removed/strengthened/repaired, and only if the building is JACKABLE and PROPPABLE.

Next, you need to stabilise the building while removing damaged structural elements (or strengthen the building before any removal), this again, you need to reanalyse to check how much stresses are again re-distribute to the asbuilt structure. If you are jacking up the building, how much force and where to jack to reinstate the structure to it's original position or original design intended state. Wrong/Over/Inaccurate Jacking might cause others structure to experience more stresses, and further damage may occur.
Imagine, if you going to lift the lose leg table and replace 1 new. Yes, you easy can lift it up and install it, but in structural framing, all piles and structural framing is connected, you cannot lift it into air or overjacked (overpulled).

And the locked-in stress and design stress for each elements. Say, if the adjacent non-collapse wall (WALL A) was subjected to 10tonnes forces initially, but after the collapsed (lost of support) of other wall (small brother), say maybe WALL A subjected to 15tonnes forces now as it's small brother failed. Then if you going to build another new wall to replace OKU small brother, u also need to make sure this new brother takes back the 5tonnes from the WALL A, unless you can ensure WALL A can absorb this additional 5tonnes and still comply with the design compliances.

Also, IF for this scenario 1 failed by piles, means the asbuilt foundation and piles also needed to be reviewed and rechecked, another exercise needed.

Aiya, typed too long.... shud stop here....

No easy..... Hopefully our boleh land can get a right boleh expert to do so lah.

Haha, if other scenarios, then others story lah.
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QUOTE(kinnasai @ Nov 12 2024, 03:06 PM)
hm, let share something..

IF ya, IF only ya, if the scenario (let call Scenario 1), the settlement started at foundation, which founded on the incompetent limestone formation, and the foundation has caused the settlement and the basement structure settlement as more than 100mm as rumoured.
The structural wall at the lowest unit (above the carpark) cracked severely.

A finite element structural (FEM) model shall be conducted, to simulate the current situation which some wall supports have been damaged (or lost), with push over analysis, to theoretically identify affected structure (wall, structural framing elements, transfer structure), to check what is the extent of the stresses re-distribution. Of course, this is desktop study, asbuilt on site investigation also needed to be done to verify whether currently damage extent matching the analysis part (how much the building deformed, what kind of cracking behaviour, etc). To determine the structure (whole part) whether is in overstress condition above ultimate design resistance? or above service limit stage but still within the ultimate design requirement? for all the structural elements.
Ok, i try to simplify this, if a table lost 1 of it's leg (out of many legs, maybe 5 maybe 6 maybe more), and if the table is still stable, means the adjacent legs may act to help this OKU leg, and we need to understand the situation of remaining legs. And building structural framing is more complex than this.
This part is relatively straight forward if you got a good engineering expert to do.

Ok, come to slightly tedious part. Further to scenario 1, IF (if again ar) the building found to be in accepted deflected position (in layman, not titled very badly and acceptable structural tolerance), only part of the structural (maybe big part maybe small part) damaged and needed to be removed/strengthened/repaired, and only if the building is JACKABLE and PROPPABLE.

Next, you need to stabilise the building while removing damaged structural elements (or strengthen the building before any removal), this again, you need to reanalyse to check how much stresses are again re-distribute to the asbuilt structure. If you are jacking up the building, how much force and where to jack to reinstate the structure to it's original position or original design intended state. Wrong/Over/Inaccurate Jacking might cause others structure to experience more stresses, and further damage may occur.
Imagine, if you going to lift the lose leg table and replace 1 new. Yes, you easy can lift it up and install it, but in structural framing, all piles and structural framing is connected, you cannot lift it into air or overjacked (overpulled).

And the locked-in stress and design stress for each elements. Say, if the adjacent non-collapse wall (WALL A) was subjected to 10tonnes forces initially, but after the collapsed (lost of support) of other wall (small brother), say maybe WALL A subjected to 15tonnes forces now as it's small brother failed. Then if you going to build another new wall to replace OKU small brother, u also need to make sure this new brother takes back the 5tonnes from the WALL A, unless you can ensure WALL A can absorb this additional 5tonnes and still comply with the design compliances.

Also, IF for this scenario 1 failed by piles, means the asbuilt foundation and piles also needed to be reviewed and rechecked, another exercise needed.

Aiya, typed too long.... shud stop here....

No easy..... Hopefully our boleh land can get a right boleh expert to do so lah.

Haha, if other scenarios, then others story lah.
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wow so long hahahaha.

Give us your simple opinion and conclusion?

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wow so long hahahaha.

Give us your simple opinion and conclusion?
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Calm your tits /K, expert has spoken. Just Relax, nothing serious.

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Which are walls, which are columns, which are load bearing column?
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QUOTE(kinnasai @ Nov 12 2024, 03:06 PM)
hm, let share something..

IF ya, IF only ya, if the scenario (let call Scenario 1), the settlement started at foundation, which founded on the incompetent limestone formation, and the foundation has caused the settlement and the basement structure settlement as more than 100mm as rumoured.
The structural wall at the lowest unit (above the carpark) cracked severely.

A finite element structural (FEM) model shall be conducted, to simulate the current situation which some wall supports have been damaged (or lost), with push over analysis, to theoretically identify affected structure (wall, structural framing elements, transfer structure), to check what is the extent of the stresses re-distribution. Of course, this is desktop study, asbuilt on site investigation also needed to be done to verify whether currently damage extent matching the analysis part (how much the building deformed, what kind of cracking behaviour, etc). To determine the structure (whole part) whether is in overstress condition above ultimate design resistance? or above service limit stage but still within the ultimate design requirement? for all the structural elements.
Ok, i try to simplify this, if a table lost 1 of it's leg (out of many legs, maybe 5 maybe 6 maybe more), and if the table is still stable, means the adjacent legs may act to help this OKU leg, and we need to understand the situation of remaining legs. And building structural framing is more complex than this.
This part is relatively straight forward if you got a good engineering expert to do.

Ok, come to slightly tedious part. Further to scenario 1, IF (if again ar) the building found to be in accepted deflected position (in layman, not titled very badly and acceptable structural tolerance), only part of the structural (maybe big part maybe small part) damaged and needed to be removed/strengthened/repaired, and only if the building is JACKABLE and PROPPABLE.

Next, you need to stabilise the building while removing damaged structural elements (or strengthen the building before any removal), this again, you need to reanalyse to check how much stresses are again re-distribute to the asbuilt structure. If you are jacking up the building, how much force and where to jack to reinstate the structure to it's original position or original design intended state. Wrong/Over/Inaccurate Jacking might cause others structure to experience more stresses, and further damage may occur.
Imagine, if you going to lift the lose leg table and replace 1 new. Yes, you easy can lift it up and install it, but in structural framing, all piles and structural framing is connected, you cannot lift it into air or overjacked (overpulled).

And the locked-in stress and design stress for each elements. Say, if the adjacent non-collapse wall (WALL A) was subjected to 10tonnes forces initially, but after the collapsed (lost of support) of other wall (small brother), say maybe WALL A subjected to 15tonnes forces now as it's small brother failed. Then if you going to build another new wall to replace OKU small brother, u also need to make sure this new brother takes back the 5tonnes from the WALL A, unless you can ensure WALL A can absorb this additional 5tonnes and still comply with the design compliances.

Also, IF for this scenario 1 failed by piles, means the asbuilt foundation and piles also needed to be reviewed and rechecked, another exercise needed.

Aiya, typed too long.... shud stop here....

No easy..... Hopefully our boleh land can get a right boleh expert to do so lah.

Haha, if other scenarios, then others story lah.
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Bro. TLDR. Can summary ah? Can fix or need to demolish. Just want to know this answer only. Others no need. Haha
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Calm your tits /K, expert has spoken. Just Relax, nothing serious.

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QUOTE(kinnasai @ Nov 12 2024, 03:06 PM)
hm, let share something..

IF ya, IF only ya, if the scenario (let call Scenario 1), the settlement started at foundation, which founded on the incompetent limestone formation, and the foundation has caused the settlement and the basement structure settlement as more than 100mm as rumoured.
The structural wall at the lowest unit (above the carpark) cracked severely.

A finite element structural (FEM) model shall be conducted, to simulate the current situation which some wall supports have been damaged (or lost), with push over analysis, to theoretically identify affected structure (wall, structural framing elements, transfer structure), to check what is the extent of the stresses re-distribution. Of course, this is desktop study, asbuilt on site investigation also needed to be done to verify whether currently damage extent matching the analysis part (how much the building deformed, what kind of cracking behaviour, etc). To determine the structure (whole part) whether is in overstress condition above ultimate design resistance? or above service limit stage but still within the ultimate design requirement? for all the structural elements.
Ok, i try to simplify this, if a table lost 1 of it's leg (out of many legs, maybe 5 maybe 6 maybe more), and if the table is still stable, means the adjacent legs may act to help this OKU leg, and we need to understand the situation of remaining legs. And building structural framing is more complex than this.
This part is relatively straight forward if you got a good engineering expert to do.

Ok, come to slightly tedious part. Further to scenario 1, IF (if again ar) the building found to be in accepted deflected position (in layman, not titled very badly and acceptable structural tolerance), only part of the structural (maybe big part maybe small part) damaged and needed to be removed/strengthened/repaired, and only if the building is JACKABLE and PROPPABLE.

Next, you need to stabilise the building while removing damaged structural elements (or strengthen the building before any removal), this again, you need to reanalyse to check how much stresses are again re-distribute to the asbuilt structure. If you are jacking up the building, how much force and where to jack to reinstate the structure to it's original position or original design intended state. Wrong/Over/Inaccurate Jacking might cause others structure to experience more stresses, and further damage may occur.
Imagine, if you going to lift the lose leg table and replace 1 new. Yes, you easy can lift it up and install it, but in structural framing, all piles and structural framing is connected, you cannot lift it into air or overjacked (overpulled).

And the locked-in stress and design stress for each elements. Say, if the adjacent non-collapse wall (WALL A) was subjected to 10tonnes forces initially, but after the collapsed (lost of support) of other wall (small brother), say maybe WALL A subjected to 15tonnes forces now as it's small brother failed. Then if you going to build another new wall to replace OKU small brother, u also need to make sure this new brother takes back the 5tonnes from the WALL A, unless you can ensure WALL A can absorb this additional 5tonnes and still comply with the design compliances.

Also, IF for this scenario 1 failed by piles, means the asbuilt foundation and piles also needed to be reviewed and rechecked, another exercise needed.

Aiya, typed too long.... shud stop here....

No easy..... Hopefully our boleh land can get a right boleh expert to do so lah.

Haha, if other scenarios, then others story lah.
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Nobody got the time and the money for alll this

Need the most simplest and fastest solution with the least resources to resume back work
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architect lol

farking wall is not load bearing lol


ayam almost puke my dinner laughing so hard
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 12 2024, 06:01 PM)
architect lol

farking wall is not load bearing lol
ayam almost puke my dinner laughing so hard
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ask him to stay there lah after this
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I'm not mech eng....but I'm under the impression that almost every wall in condo have some load bearing element. Just how much only.
I could be wrong; but saying some walls on condo not load bearing doesn't make sense to me. Cause these are not partition, the building not yet finished.
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I'm not mech eng....but I'm under the impression that almost every wall in condo have some load bearing element. Just how much only.
I could be wrong; but saying some walls on condo not load bearing doesn't make sense to me. Cause these are not partition, the building not yet finished.
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partition wall is not load bearing

shear wall is

the one cracked in this case you can see expose BMC, no one use RC wall for partition wall

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He forgot to end with use handsaplast and elephant glue can fix the problem..
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1)The Wall is shear wall, full stop.

2) The Unit/floor sitting on transfer floor (structure wall crack might be due to transfer floor)

3) Transfer floor support by multiple column+beam. If transfer floor got issue, then mostly due to column beam below(parking floor)

4) Parking floor (below transfer floor) got crack+sink(as per video spread in YouTube). Can AGAK conclude Beam/Column Failed.

5)Since I'm not involve in this project, so may suspect multiple of beam/column got issue liao.

6) How come Column/Beam got issue? Might be because of pile issue.

7) pile got issue, might be soil settlement, movement, act of god blah blah.

8) But one thing for sure...... This Architecture Student need to re-educate.
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KUALA LUMPUR (Nov 18): Gandingan Jakel Sdn Bhd said it is actively working with Kuala Lumpur City Hall (DBKL) to address concerns at its J Satine project in Wangsa Maju, following a stop-work order issued by the authorities on Nov 8.

The stop-work order stemmed from complaints from nearby residents about an explosion at the site. Investigations by DBKL revealed cracks in the shear walls, columns, and floors of units on the eighth floor and above.

In a statement on Monday, Gandingan Jakel reiterated its commitment to resolving the matter efficiently, in response to an article titled "Issues at J Satine a nightmare for all stakeholders" published in The Edge for the week of Nov 18-24, which noted that the main contractor for the project, TCS Group Holding Bhd (KL:TCS), as well as DBKL, had both issued statements on the issue while the project owners, Platinum Victory and Gandingan Jakel put up standard notices on their websites and social media platforms.

Gandingan Jakel also said it had taken immediate actions to ensure full compliance with all relevant building codes and regulations. These measures included engaging an independent third-party consultant for a structural assessment, installing temporary structural supports as a precautionary step and implementing enhanced safety protocols, as well as daily audits.

The preliminary structural assessment is now nearing completion, with quality checks and remediation measures to follow under the supervision of project consultants, it said.

To ensure stakeholders remain informed, Gandingan Jakel said it had established multiple communication channels, including regular updates via its website, social media platforms, and direct engagement with purchasers.

Gandingan Jakel said it had also, via its dedicated frequently asked question (FAQ) webpage, clarified that no explosion occurred at the site and there was no risk from the project to neighbouring buildings or infrastructure.

“A comprehensive investigation by a highly respected third-party consultant is currently underway. We are working diligently to assess and determine the best course of action,” it said.

“We expect the full report to be ready within the next few months. This report will detail the exact nature and extent of these issues and recommend specific remedial actions,” it added.

J Satine, a mixed-use development comprising 3,600 affordable housing units, 661 SoHo units, and 42 commercial lots, is a joint venture between Platinum Victory Group and Jakel Group’s property arm.

TCS’s (KL:TCS) wholly owned subsidiary TCS Construction Sdn Bhd was appointed as main contractor by the JV company Jayyid Land Sdn Bhd in June 2021.
some update. hopefully we can get more info soon

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/734349
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