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post Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM, updated 3y ago

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Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:29 AM

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post Oct 10 2023, 09:30 AM

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That's how bank earn your money. If u got extra, just proceed with principal reduction.
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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if flexi loan. park all ur extra money inside

btw assuming you loan 350k at 4.15% with tenure 35 years. thats come about 1.6k a month. total interest paid to serve 35 years is 314k.

if u pay extra 1k a month, your tenure is cut off by 20 years roughly . you will settle your loan around 15 years with total interest paid roughly 120k.



This post has been edited by sheahann: Oct 10 2023, 09:34 AM
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 10:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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Unker ppr in 2013 buy only rm218k.

Monthly supposed to be rm1100 wonly.

But pay rm2k monthly now.

Currenlt principle left rm66k wonly.

Hope can fully settle within the next 2-3 years.
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:31 AM

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post Oct 10 2023, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Oct 10 2023, 09:31 AM)
Unker ppr in 2013 buy only rm218k.

Monthly supposed to be rm1100 wonly.

But pay rm2k monthly now.

Currenlt principle left rm66k wonly.

Hope can fully settle within the next 2-3 years.
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now this is smart move
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(sheahann @ Oct 10 2023, 09:31 AM)
if flexi loan. park all ur extra money inside
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Want to ask ya if I put more money inside...it only reduces the loan duration right? Not the loan amount monthly right?
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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Friend...Bank also need to make money, to pay their staff and everyday expenses.

Nobody would give you loan if no profit.

I think the formula should be if you take a 350k loan, expect to be paying double the amount Loan + interest = 700k or more until your loan period ends.
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:32 AM

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First, banks are NOT your friends. Whether is GF, wife, or FWB, they will suck u dry like a vampire.

Second, banks are answerable to their shareholders. Profits are the only word they want to hear.

Third, don't ever commit to a loan if you're not prepared. Either save more or work 3 or more jobs to earn more income.
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:32 AM

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if maybank how to pay principal ?
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Oct 10 2023, 09:31 AM)
Want to ask ya if I put more money inside...it only reduces the loan duration right? Not the loan amount monthly right?
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it reduce the interest you need to pay for each month. in other word, your instalment contribute more toward principal amount
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:33 AM

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post Oct 10 2023, 09:33 AM

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loan sharks have their heyday over this
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:33 AM

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Aiyo.

Add in principal payment la...


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post Oct 10 2023, 09:34 AM

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I made the same mistake earlier

Please dump in more money until you unable to eat to settle loan first
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:34 AM

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x sukak... jadi slave to debt... sewa rumah jer la...

topkekk... pepolz nowadays during recession buy house,
90% downpayment... 10% loan... you go the other way for what??
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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Actually, there's nothing scary, if you dont plan to do early settlement.. whatever numbers shown, your installment numbers remain fixed (25/30 years or whatever duration you had chosen).

This post has been edited by zeese: Oct 10 2023, 09:34 AM
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QUOTE(myasiahobby @ Oct 10 2023, 09:29 AM)
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even org asli now complaining in kelantan due to pembalakan

jungle also getting less.


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post Oct 10 2023, 09:34 AM

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post Oct 10 2023, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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That is why there is a movement where people prefer to just rent then own a property. Gives them a lot more freedom.
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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Same if you ask anyone else to loan you a lump sum 350K.
Of course your interest is levied to your principal sum owing 350k from day 1.

That's how it works because you bought a sum owing.

Principal reduction is the math here. All the best.

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Oct 10 2023, 09:49 AM
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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TS bodo ke buat bodo.

dah la miskin lagi mau buy rumah. sewa kan ade

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post Oct 10 2023, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:33 AM)
it reduce the interest you need to pay for each month. in other word, your instalment contribute more toward principal amount
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But the monthly amount dont change right?
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Oct 10 2023, 09:36 AM)
But the monthly amount dont change right?
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yes it is the same
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:37 AM

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post Oct 10 2023, 09:40 AM

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House loan should follow car loan, max 9 years and fixed interest. Today bought Benz 300k loan 9 years also not this expensive. How come house loan interest so high than car?
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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gov have a vested interest with banks
they tax the transactions
and they tax the income of banks
buy something less than 100k
pay cash brows.gif
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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borrow 100k, fully paid add 200k thats normal.


unless you convert into 4 year loan

not scary, just your income small
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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das why unker service first 5 year double payment
interest will be cut by alot by then
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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Rather than gomen do something, you can do something immediately.
Pay more than then minimum RM1500 that's required.
Try RM2000 or RM2500.
It will make a big difference on interest.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:33 AM)
it reduce the interest you need to pay for each month. in other word, your instalment contribute more toward principal amount
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This.
Sorry bro, do excuse my itchy hand for clarity to your statement.

<it reduce the interest you need to pay for each month. in other word, your instalment contribute more toward principal reduction>

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Oct 10 2023, 09:46 AM
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Thats why unker buy 4 acres of land with pertanian status.........when cheap only cost 360k.....build house with 5 rooms 20X25 02 halls 30X25..02 parking garage....3 porch.....

all without the hassle of approval from local counsil because of the status of the land..........and best of all it only cost me 160k.....
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:48 AM

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Be like me.. every 100k disbursement during building. Pay up 90k. Let bank earn only the 10k principal interest. Then after collect key interest very low only
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:40 AM)
House loan should follow car loan, max 9 years and fixed interest. Today bought Benz 300k loan 9 years also not this expensive. How come house loan interest so high than car?
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Oct 10 2023, 09:45 AM)
This.
Sorry bro, do excuse my itchy hand for clarity to your statement.

<it reduce the interest you need to pay for each month. in other word, your instalment contribute more toward principal reduction>
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it just means you can settle loan faster if you keep that money park there.

I baru angkat a 530K loan, same deal RM2.5K/month. I plan to park lots of cash inside to reduce it. I think after few years i sekaligus settle.

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the first half tenure of loan is mainly to pay the interest. after that only you'll start to see the principal amount reducing fast
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:40 AM)
House loan should follow car loan, max 9 years and fixed interest. Today bought Benz 300k loan 9 years also not this expensive. How come house loan interest so high than car?
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High? Try taking a 30-year car loan for that 300k Merc and see how much interest you will pay.

You are the one who is sohigh.
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post Oct 10 2023, 09:53 AM

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Based on TS numbers, it seems like 36 year loan @ ~3.9% interest. Interest is always highest at earliest point of loan. At full repayment, one would have paid $306k in interest.

In order to reduce interest payable, consider take up shorter loan duration (max 15 years), higher repayment amount and/or lower loan quantum.

Otherwise, bank say thank you for working for bank.
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:40 AM)
House loan should follow car loan, max 9 years and fixed interest. Today bought Benz 300k loan 9 years also not this expensive. How come house loan interest so high than car?
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This guy really dunno how to use brain and see the calculation.
Dun tell ang mo you are asian mempersiasuikan
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Oct 10 2023, 09:50 AM)
it just means you can settle loan faster if you keep that money park there.

I baru angkat a 530K loan, same deal RM2.5K/month. I plan to park lots of cash inside to reduce it. I think after few years i sekaligus settle.
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Correct. Many don't buy my suggestion in playing the 'zeroried' game specially if you are buying U/C. More so in highrise, one has 48 months to strategies and pan this out. Some said its a no brainer opportunity cost lost wor.

Even you don't get the net 0 by VP, it will be a milestone to achieve, say 30-50% total principal sum owing is good enough to collect your new keys

Believe me, the 'zeroried' leveraging game is very addictive (if you tasted the drug). In no time, you will be on your next leverage.

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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TS like my friend, said paid more than 10 years for housing loan, last few year go check principle only reduce less than 50k. Then kpkb.
Ask him pay more monthly, he keep quiet.

The best part is monthly TNB bill more than the housing loan notworthy.gif

Got kids, 1 breeding dog, outside eat dont really care the price.
YOLO more important thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(buffa @ Oct 10 2023, 09:59 AM)
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TS like my friend, said paid more than 10 years for housing loan, last few year go check principle only reduce less than 50k. Then kpkb.
Ask him pay more monthly, he keep quiet.

The best part is monthly TNB bill more than the housing loan  notworthy.gif

Got kids, 1 breeding dog, outside eat dont really care the price.
YOLO more important  thumbsup.gif
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apa lanjiao TNB bill more than housing loan

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Unker also count unker House loan...
Loan 300, after finish 30 year...
Pay around 1 million....
Don't know how...
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if the loan interest is less than epf interest, better park in epf.

QUOTE(sheahann @ Oct 10 2023, 09:31 AM)
if flexi loan. park all ur extra money inside

btw assuming you loan 350k at 4.15% with tenure 35 years. thats come about 1.6k a month. total interest paid to serve 35 years is 314k.

if u pay extra 1k a month, your tenure is cut off by 20 years roughly . you will settle your loan around 15 years with total interest paid roughly 120k.
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Oct 10 2023, 10:09 AM)
Unker also count unker House loan...
Loan 300, after finish 30 year...
Pay around 1 million....
Don't know how...
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kena scam on rates? typically its double only. loan 300k, pay around 600k
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The banks are very sneaky. You pay more interest than principal the first 1/3 of the loan duration and then slowly reduce. That's why first 10 years your principal don't reduce much.

They know majority investors will sell off property within this period so they already earn enough from your interest. That's how banks are legal loan sharks.

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Do you know how long bank need to wait to complete for yours to pay your loan?
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QUOTE(ycs @ Oct 10 2023, 09:46 AM)
just wait till interest rate naik kaw2 laugh.gif
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BNM is play safe. US already stop interest hike and aiming for reduce interest rate next year. While Malaysia remains as pre-covid era at 3% OPR.

If interest naik also maybe max to 4%
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Oct 10 2023, 10:09 AM)
Unker also count unker House loan...
Loan 300, after finish 30 year...
Pay around 1 million....
Don't know how...
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Impossible unless got prawn behind rock.

Even average 8% interest rate for this loan pun won't need to pay so much.

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Rent for life then.

Nobody owes you a living.
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Oct 10 2023, 10:14 AM)
The banks are very sneaky. You pay more interest than principal the first 1/3 of the loan duration and then slowly reduce. That's why first 10 years your principal don't reduce much.

They know majority investors will sell off property within this period so they already earn enough from your interest. That's how banks are legal loan sharks.
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Takkan you expect them to cough up hundreds of thousands at risk of you not paying, only to earn peanuts when you sell?
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QUOTE(froggyx @ Oct 10 2023, 10:48 AM)
Thats why unker buy 4 acres of land with pertanian status.........when cheap only cost 360k.....build house with 5 rooms 20X25 02 halls 30X25..02 parking garage....3 porch.....

all without the hassle of approval from local counsil because of the status of the land..........and best of all it only cost me 160k.....
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But tanah status pertanian right

If you sell the house also under status pertanian? Not legit for residential development
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lucky you... so little loan.

my loan last time 300k, now like multiple the loan amount, refinance and refinance....
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so u flush before shit is it

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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This I agree. Gov should do something.

This will free up a huge sum for people's spending and in many ways will spur the economy also in the end.
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Sometimes i don't understand those "buy properties for investment".

mostly making lost anyways. Property appreciation is practically none now.
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QUOTE(cmk96 @ Oct 10 2023, 10:36 AM)
Sometimes i don't understand those "buy properties for investment".

mostly making lost anyways. Property appreciation is practically none now.
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alot of them are banging for capital gain
for example, a house priced at rm 300k, so they are "hoping" can sell it at 500k or higher in future time
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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Bank also give high interest for FD. If not bank makan apa?

OPR still very low. Lucky already




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post Oct 10 2023, 10:43 AM

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im pretty sure there are some extra park in advance payment...did you check your statement to confirm that?
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Oct 10 2023, 10:13 AM)
kena scam on rates? typically its double only. loan 300k, pay around 600k
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Don't know,
See dashboard show still own bank almost 1.1 million...
Already pay for 7 years....

QUOTE(SixteenNine @ Oct 10 2023, 10:15 AM)
BNM is play safe. US already stop interest hike and aiming for reduce interest rate next year. While Malaysia remains as pre-covid era at 3% OPR.

If interest naik also maybe max to 4%
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Interest pre covid, but the amount need to pay more that pre covid......

QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 10 2023, 10:17 AM)
Impossible unless got prawn behind rock.

Even average 8% interest rate for this loan pun won't need to pay so much.

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Don't know...
Bank dashboard show I still own 1.1 million....
Borrow 300k...
Pay 7 years already.....
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well...someone's gotta earn...

and the idea is ...not you.



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U no money buy house, who borrow you money..??

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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for house loan, banks will always use your installment for interest first.

my mbb house loan pay for 10 years, principal also reduce little bit only.

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Oct 10 2023, 10:44 AM)
Don't know,
See dashboard show still own bank almost 1.1 million...
Already pay for 7 years....
Interest pre covid, but the amount need to pay more that pre covid......
Don't know...
Bank dashboard show I still own 1.1 million....
Borrow 300k...
Pay 7 years already.....
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Islamic loan? I was told Islamic loan displays different amount of balance compared to conventional but not sure how much difference.
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QUOTE(cmk96 @ Oct 10 2023, 10:36 AM)
Sometimes i don't understand those "buy properties for investment".

mostly making lost anyways. Property appreciation is practically none now.
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as long as you can rent out and your rental can cover loan you are not really losing in the long run

you buy off the plan brand new, then you going to take the depreciation hit la
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Now Bang Nuar gonna remove the subsidy, then at least help us to reduce our house loan. Just set bank max can only charge 50% interest of the house loan amount. Problem solved, all happy
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that's the standard mortgage calculation for fixed installments.
unless bank allowed you to have reducing installment, you can't have same fixed portion for interest and principal.

QUOTE(ameliorate @ Oct 10 2023, 10:14 AM)
The banks are very sneaky. You pay more interest than principal the first 1/3 of the loan duration and then slowly reduce. That's why first 10 years your principal don't reduce much.

They know majority investors will sell off property within this period so they already earn enough from your interest. That's how banks are legal loan sharks.
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QUOTE(a_dot_el @ Oct 10 2023, 10:35 AM)
This I agree. Gov should do something.

This will free up a huge sum for people's spending and in many ways will spur the economy also in the end.
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like how?

u can't exactly fix the interest rate

otherwise those Rating agencies like Standard & Poor will be after our ass, and downgrade us?
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QUOTE(armati @ Oct 10 2023, 09:32 AM)
if maybank how to pay principal ?
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if your loan type is not Flexi or Semi-flexi then you cant...
If your loan are those flexi. you will see extra amt paid in online Maybank, loan screen
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 11:01 AM)
Now Bang Nuar gonna remove the subsidy, then at least help us to reduce our house loan. Just set bank max can only charge 50% interest of the house loan amount. Problem solved, all happy
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While we're at it, why not ask to increase our employer EPF contribution to 50% too?
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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post Oct 10 2023, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(taitianhin @ Oct 10 2023, 11:05 AM)
if your loan type is not Flexi or Semi-flexi then you cant...
If your loan are those flexi. you will see extra amt paid in online Maybank, loan screen
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If apply semi flexi loan 300k and put cash 300k park into that flexi loan acc then still will kena interest??
Emergency time still can cash out from that acc jz charge abit only .
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post Oct 10 2023, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(prdkancil @ Oct 10 2023, 11:08 AM)
If apply semi flexi loan 300k and put cash 300k park into that flexi loan acc then still will kena interest??
Emergency time still can cash out from that acc jz charge abit only .
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IF ONLY they let u put 100% of your loan amount lol.
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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Oct 10 2023, 11:01 AM)
that's the standard mortgage calculation for fixed installments. 
unless bank allowed you to have reducing installment, you can't have same fixed portion for interest and principal.
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The standards are fixed by the banks. If they want to change it they can but they won't.

I'm saying they skew too much in the banks favor. You're paying around 90:10 interest vs principal during the first few years of the loan.

Many people have impression that housing loan is similar to hire purchase. The banks want profit but this is too greedy. If ah long do this everyone condemns but if banks then it is ok.

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QUOTE(BullshitDetective @ Oct 10 2023, 11:11 AM)
IF ONLY they let u put 100% of your loan amount lol.
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Then wat is the max % allow to park into flexi loan acc?

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post Oct 10 2023, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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Now only u know.. u got take mco moratorium also?
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Oct 10 2023, 09:31 AM)
Unker ppr in 2013 buy only rm218k.

Monthly supposed to be rm1100 wonly.

But pay rm2k monthly now.

Currenlt principle left rm66k wonly.

Hope can fully settle within the next 2-3 years.
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This unker is smart. Not bad unker..
Buy those 500k above.. bank has the last laugh
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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Oct 10 2023, 11:01 AM)
that's the standard mortgage calculation for fixed installments. 
unless bank allowed you to have reducing installment, you can't have same fixed portion for interest and principal.
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surely all banks allow capital prepayment. the procedure for each bank is different though.
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QUOTE(prdkancil @ Oct 10 2023, 11:08 AM)
If apply semi flexi loan 300k and put cash 300k park into that flexi loan acc then still will kena interest??
Emergency time still can cash out from that acc jz charge abit only .
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The idea is there...
But I remember there is a clause in Loan agreement that We cant put 100%. The max is around 70% or 75%...cant remember...
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QUOTE(prdkancil @ Oct 10 2023, 11:13 AM)
Then wat is the max % allow to park into flexi loan acc?
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it's not bank standard calculation but it's a universal formula for mortgage calculation. if you not agree, can you show your correct calculation?
of course you are paying the most interest in the beginning because the interest is based on the principal which is at the max compare to at the ending of your loan period.

QUOTE(ameliorate @ Oct 10 2023, 11:12 AM)
The standards are fixed by the banks. If they want to change it they can but they won't.

I'm saying they skew too much in the banks favor. You're paying around 90:10 interest vs principal during the first few years of the loan.

Many people have impression that housing loan is similar to hire purchase. The banks want profit but this is too greedy. If ah long do this everyone condemns but if banks then it is ok.
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That's why housing should always be socialised.
Leased/let out by the government.
Singapore did it right.
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Apa house only 350k ?
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post Oct 10 2023, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Oct 10 2023, 12:25 PM)
Apa house only 350k ?
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Banyak lor.

Old subsale condo, apt, flat.

Rumah idaman.

Selangorku, prima
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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i think u got it wrong,.. 78k is paying back the capital,.. not interest,.. 30k is the interest,..

if u fully settle your loan today,.. then

flat rate interest = (30k/108k) / 6 years = 4.6%

very near current market what ??
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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Oct 10 2023, 11:22 AM)
it's not bank standard calculation but it's a universal formula for mortgage calculation. if you not agree, can you show your correct calculation?
of course you are paying the most interest in the beginning because the interest is based on the principal which is at the max compare to at the ending of your loan period.
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You mabuk ketum ke? Again, if they want to change it they can but they won't. No such thing as 'universal'.

I can't do shit because I don't have money to buy house in cash. You pandering to the banks like you own them.

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We actually been brainwashed to loan a house for 25-30 years. Actually, if we settle it like a car loan (i.e 5 to 9 years), the bank wont benefit that much.
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Oct 10 2023, 09:31 AM)
Unker ppr in 2013 buy only rm218k.

Monthly supposed to be rm1100 wonly.

But pay rm2k monthly now.

Currenlt principle left rm66k wonly.

Hope can fully settle within the next 2-3 years.
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This is important.. to those taking >25 years loan the first few years is critical.. if monthly you can double up the repayment you actually need around 12 years only to completely pay the property.
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QUOTE(Duckies @ Oct 10 2023, 09:31 AM)
Want to ask ya if I put more money inside...it only reduces the loan duration right? Not the loan amount monthly right?
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Technically it doesn't reduce the duration, it reduces the outstanding amount

Say you have a outstanding balance of 100k, and monthly repayment is 1000, 700 goes to interest and 300 goes to reduction

You put extra 50k into the account, now your outstanding is reduced to 50k, you still pay althea same amount of 1000 monthly, but due to reduced outstanding, you pay less interest and more of your 1000, say 700 can goes to principal reduction.

Then up until a point where the advance payment = outstanding, you can opt for full settlement. That's where people say advance payment can reduce loan tenure
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 10 2023, 10:51 AM)
Islamic loan? I was told Islamic loan displays different amount of balance compared to conventional but not sure how much difference.
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yup, i think is islamic....
i ask the banker,
the banker say no need to see the amount, just pay nia...
it will reduce at the end.....
but pay 7 years already,
the amount still same....
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Oct 10 2023, 11:36 AM)
This is important.. to those taking >25 years loan the first few years is critical.. if monthly you can double up the repayment you actually need around 12 years only to completely pay the property.
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Talk like so easy all can afford pay 2x instalment, money fall from sky
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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Oct 10 2023, 11:29 AM)
i think u got it wrong,.. 78k is paying back the capital,.. not interest,.. 30k is the interest,..

if u fully settle your loan today,.. then

flat rate interest = (30k/108k) / 6 years = 4.6%

very near current market what ??
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Nop his right first few year it will always going to be a large portion to interest and if you follow the schedule most likely on the 10th years onwards more will be going into principal. That's how loans work.
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 11:38 AM)
Talk like so easy all can afford pay 2x instalment, money fall from sky
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Buy property that the installment is 1/5 1/6 of your income then can la
Buy 1/3 one is memang cannot
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 11:38 AM)
Talk like so easy all can afford pay 2x instalment, money fall from sky
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Well it's your choice. Instead of buying that ipong i take that 6k to pay more. May not be easy to you but that's what I'm doing
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you think bank doing charity work keh ? They need to pay employee, pay rental fee, pay electric and water bill, pay system and best of all pay their boss and investor .... that what they say....bank is a certified along approve by gov and bank negara.....

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baru tau ke? pay more to reduce the principal :X
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looks like you don't have anything to substantiate your claim, okay thanks.

QUOTE(ameliorate @ Oct 10 2023, 11:30 AM)
You mabuk ketum ke? Again, if they want to change it they can but they won't. No such thing as 'universal'.

I can't do shit because I don't have money to buy house in cash. You pandering to the banks like you own them.
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Oct 10 2023, 11:38 AM)
yup, i think is islamic....
i ask the banker,
the banker say no need to see the amount, just pay nia...
it will reduce at the end.....
but pay 7 years already,
the amount still same....
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Haha ......very funny. First few years is something like paying the bank interest from the money you borrowed. Then after that the principal will only go down slowly.
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Oct 10 2023, 09:31 AM)
Unker ppr in 2013 buy only rm218k.

Monthly supposed to be rm1100 wonly.

But pay rm2k monthly now.

Currenlt principle left rm66k wonly.

Hope can fully settle within the next 2-3 years.
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better pay minimum keep cash king

house sure alot maintenance upkeep later down the road

mortgage is cheapest, u should use it to max
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Oct 10 2023, 12:50 PM)
better pay minimum keep cash king

house sure alot maintenance upkeep later down the road

mortgage is cheapest, u should use it to max
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150k kl studio got??!
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QUOTE(BullshitDetective @ Oct 10 2023, 11:11 AM)
IF ONLY they let u put 100% of your loan amount lol.
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QUOTE(prdkancil @ Oct 10 2023, 11:13 AM)
Then wat is the max % allow to park into flexi loan acc?
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mine can offset 100%. Took the loan in year 2012. New rules I dunno ...back then can put 100%
PBB didnt make any money from me, just progressive interest lol. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(BullshitDetective @ Oct 10 2023, 11:11 AM)
IF ONLY they let u put 100% of your loan amount lol.
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Full flexi loan can.

U can put whatever amount u like.
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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thats why i cleared off in 3 years.

now i have advance cash can withdraw when need it

bank is angry, ask me to settle close account asap. but why should i
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QUOTE(cmk96 @ Oct 10 2023, 10:36 AM)
Sometimes i don't understand those "buy properties for investment".

mostly making lost anyways. Property appreciation is practically none now.
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It's legit, when you buy before 2016/2017.
My cousin just sold his Semi D, sold price are 2x from his SPA price, bought around 2014.
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QUOTE(cmk96 @ Oct 10 2023, 10:36 AM)
Sometimes i don't understand those "buy properties for investment".

mostly making lost anyways. Property appreciation is practically none now.
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depends on places.

condo pretty much non-existance already.

but landed house in Klang valley. This one still go up. landed house is like Limited unit already, especially free hold landed. No developer wanna build landed house in near KL or inside KL anymore. This type of house confirm sky high price in future.

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:40 AM)
House loan should follow car loan, max 9 years and fixed interest. Today bought Benz 300k loan 9 years also not this expensive. How come house loan interest so high than car?
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Yala loan 400k, after paid all is 800k liao.

Macam scam lol...


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QUOTE(gashout @ Oct 10 2023, 12:00 PM)
thats why i cleared off in 3 years.

now i have advance cash can withdraw when need it

bank is angry, ask me to settle close account asap. but why should i
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Wow, you played the bank nicely and they don't like being beaten at their own game

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QUOTE(dman @ Oct 10 2023, 12:24 PM)
Yala loan 400k, after paid all is 800k liao.

Macam scam lol...
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Hey, it's legal ok. Got formula and stuff. Universal punya.

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QUOTE(N9484640 @ Oct 10 2023, 07:55 AM)
mine can offset 100%. Took the loan in year 2012. New rules I dunno ...back then can put 100%
PBB didnt make any money from me, just progressive interest lol.  tongue.gif
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moni grow moni for them

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we just dont let them win too much tats it
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You remind me my 3rd landed house loan

House Price: rm430k
Downpayment : Rm130k ( Big hole on my ASB)
Loan + MRTT : 311k
Tenure :11 years...yess i make 11 years loan!! starting april 2017
Monthy Rm2700-RM29++ (depend on BLR) best year during covid...reject moratorium since iam gov staff gaji tetap jalan
Today outstanding: 181k


Total bank makan for 11 years loan estimate: RM98k , yeah got pro and cons when high downpayment, shorter time but kill my itik telur emas ASB..
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QUOTE(spider955 @ Oct 10 2023, 12:38 PM)
You remind me my 3rd landed house loan

House Price: rm430k
Downpayment : Rm130k ( Big hole on my ASB)
Loan + MRTT : 311k
Tenure :11 years...yess i make 11 years loan!! starting april 2017
Monthy Rm2700-RM29++ (depend on BLR) best year during covid...reject moratorium since iam gov staff gaji tetap jalan
Today outstanding: 181k
Total bank makan for 11 years loan estimate: RM98k , yeah got pro and cons when high downpayment, shorter time but kill my itik telur emas ASB..
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Oct 10 2023, 11:29 AM)
i think u got it wrong,.. 78k is paying back the capital,.. not interest,.. 30k is the interest,..

if u fully settle your loan today,.. then

flat rate interest = (30k/108k) / 6 years = 4.6%

very near current market what ??
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you're wrong. in the early years your installment paid mostly is just for the interest and very little capital paid.
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QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Oct 10 2023, 10:19 AM)
But tanah status pertanian right

If you sell the house also under status pertanian? Not legit for residential development
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Only 3 reasons to take housing loan:

1. Cannot afford to buy in cash
2. Investment opportunity to invest the cash that would yield greater returns compared to the Housing Loan interest rate.
3. Sked LHDN kacau, where the penalty will be higher than the Loan interest rate.
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QUOTE(BullshitDetective @ Oct 10 2023, 01:04 PM)
you're wrong. in the early years your installment paid mostly is just for the interest and very little capital paid.
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nobody ask you to pay the exact amount every month. if you can afford to hisap rokok , minum starbucks, makan hotpot every month, then that should be part of the principal.

i paid off my 250k loan in 6 years. i have another 760k loan left 180k after 10 years of servicing it. probably 3 more years can kaotim.
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That’s the price to pay for been poor.

If you’re rich to upfront the whole cost, you would had saved the 78k.

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my loan 452k including MLTA (21k, full refund upon early settlement), now condo still under construction, so got progressive interest.

already start paying full loan amount since March, the first month of interest. 1.8k principal, 200-250 interest every month. hnggg, still got another 3 years until the construction is done, dont know how much interest will be save till then, but quite a lot. ady repaid 14175.23 of my principal
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Bayangkan those beli RM2mil rumah.

RM2,000,000 x 0.045 / 365 x 30 = Monthly interesting RM7,400

Sakit ooo
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QUOTE(MKCL @ Oct 10 2023, 02:24 PM)
my loan 452k including MLTA (21k, full refund upon early settlement), now condo still under construction, so got progressive interest.

already start paying full loan amount since March, the first month of interest. 1.8k principal, 200-250 interest every month. hnggg, still got another 3 years until the construction is done, dont know how much interest will be save till then, but quite a lot. ady repaid 14175.23 of my principal
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Kudos.
Try to do the progressive drawdown disbursed prepayment by the bank to developer, bro. Mininum past stage 2b&2c or further if cashflow permitted.

You will see the saving and principal reduction over the time horizon come VP 36/48mths later

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Oct 10 2023, 11:21 AM)
30% for most bank
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Depends... PBB limits to 70% of current account balance - whatever amount you have in the current account, 30% of it will goyang telur.

HLB is 70% of outstanding loan balance.

QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Oct 10 2023, 11:38 AM)
yup, i think is islamic....
i ask the banker,
the banker say no need to see the amount, just pay nia...
it will reduce at the end.....
but pay 7 years already,
the amount still same....
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QUOTE(spider955 @ Oct 10 2023, 12:38 PM)
You remind me my 3rd landed house loan
House Price: rm430k
Downpayment : Rm130k ( Big hole on my ASB)
Loan + MRTT : 311k
Tenure :11 years...yess i make 11 years loan!! starting april 2017
Monthy Rm2700-RM29++ (depend on BLR) best year during covid...reject moratorium since iam gov staff gaji tetap jalan
Today outstanding: 181k
Total bank makan for 11 years loan estimate: RM98k , yeah got pro and cons when high downpayment, shorter time but kill my itik telur emas ASB..
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IMO, you lose money by taking out from ASB to pay more downpayment if ASB gives you higher interest rate compared to home loan - especially for gomen staff kan? You only gain from potentially lower MRTT premium.
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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ Oct 10 2023, 02:12 PM)
nobody ask you to pay the exact amount every month. if you can afford to hisap rokok , minum starbucks, makan hotpot every month, then that should be part of the principal.

i paid off my 250k loan in 6 years. i have another 760k loan left 180k after 10 years of servicing it. probably 3 more years can kaotim.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 10 2023, 02:33 PM)
Depends... PBB limits to 70% of current account balance - whatever amount you have in the current account, 30% of it will goyang telur.

HLB is 70% of outstanding loan balance.
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Bro can you explain what you mean by the 70% limit? I have a PBB housing loan (Islamic) and I’m planning to put a big bunch of cash from FD in there. Are you saying they only accept max of 70% outstanding loan amount paid in advance?
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Kudos.
Try to do the progressive drawdown disbursed prepayment by the bank to developer, bro. Mininum past stage 2b&2c or further if cashflow permitted.

You will see the saving and principal reduction over the time horizon come VP 36/48mths later
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what is progressive drawdown disbursed prepayment in layman terms ?


my loan currently already release 94k, based on progress. outstanding released amount is 79k. I dont have much in flexi loan as I spent most of them in downpayment, have like 6-10k, with additional 10k from bonus every yr

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Oct 10 2023, 02:43 PM)
Bro can you explain what you mean by the 70% limit? I have a PBB housing loan (Islamic) and I’m planning to put a big bunch of cash from FD in there. Are you saying they only accept max of 70% outstanding loan amount paid in advance?
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meaning your flexi loan can only offset interest up to 70% of the principal amount, if loan 100k, your flexi acc got 100k. they can still charge interest on 30k of the loan. it will never be 0%
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If land is in Kelantan and hari hari tuai, then legit i reckon


QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Oct 10 2023, 10:19 AM)
But tanah status pertanian right

If you sell the house also under status pertanian? Not legit for residential development
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QUOTE(MKCL @ Oct 10 2023, 02:45 PM)
meaning your flexi loan can only offset interest up to 70% of the principal amount, if loan 100k, your flexi acc got 100k. they can still charge interest on 30k of the loan. it will never be 0%
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This thing ia only for first 2 or 3 yrs only la..
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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Housing loan interest is simple to understand la, go get a loan without understanding is just dumb.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Oct 10 2023, 01:31 AM)
now this is smart move
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Can get loan so naise.

I only dare to pinjam pinjam menabung from songlap until got enuf only buy buy buy.

3 to 5 year mortgage, then insta settle ala Mainlander Style.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:31 AM)
now this is smart move
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Not so smart if he put it elsewhere that was yielding more than the housing loan interest rate
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Oct 10 2023, 02:43 PM)
Bro can you explain what you mean by the 70% limit? I have a PBB housing loan (Islamic) and I’m planning to put a big bunch of cash from FD in there. Are you saying they only accept max of 70% outstanding loan amount paid in advance?
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This is what I know about full flexi PBB and HLB loans based on my experience. Full flexi loans have loan account and another current account opened to facilitate payment.

HLB: let's say loan balance is RM100k. If you put in RM80k in this current acc, only RM70k will be used to offset the interest in the loan.

PBB: loan balance is RM100k. If you put RM80k in the current account, only RM80k*70% will be used to offset the interest in the loan.

For semi-flexi conventional loan, PBB allows 100% offset if you pay a lump sump (but not sure how to do it, either at counter or online), the catch is you cannot or it's very difficult if at all to draw out this extra payment.

For Islamic loan, I have no idea bro.
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QUOTE(MKCL @ Oct 10 2023, 02:24 PM)
my loan 452k including MLTA (21k, full refund upon early settlement), now condo still under construction, so got progressive interest.

already start paying full loan amount since March, the first month of interest. 1.8k principal, 200-250 interest every month. hnggg, still got another 3 years until the construction is done, dont know how much interest will be save till then, but quite a lot. ady repaid 14175.23 of my principal
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do you know you still need to pay a lot money to maintain your condo?
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:40 AM)
House loan should follow car loan, max 9 years and fixed interest. Today bought Benz 300k loan 9 years also not this expensive. How come house loan interest so high than car?
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You are extra bodoh, a car loan's actual Effective Interest rate is nearly double the published simple interest rate.
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QUOTE(ListenToTheWind @ Oct 10 2023, 02:27 PM)
Bayangkan those beli RM2mil rumah.

RM2,000,000 x 0.045 / 365 x 30 = Monthly interesting RM7,400

Sakit ooo
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do you really think they buy using own name and own pocket money?
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do you really think they buy using own name and own pocket money?
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They use fama's money?
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do you know you still need to pay a lot money to maintain your condo?
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yes i know, maintenance fee 200, and reno

but at least reduce quite an amount of interest in long run for the loan. paying 90% of the monthly installment to capital for the 1st yr quite syok
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They use fama's money?
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Thats why these kind of things which Muslims should fight and jihad against, Muslims dont do. Meanwhile only good at kacau dress code.
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what do you think?
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Idk, you tell me since you gave the impression as if people don't use own money and name to buy RM2m houses.
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QUOTE(MKCL @ Oct 10 2023, 02:57 PM)
yes i know, maintenance fee 200, and reno

but at least reduce quite an amount of interest in long run for the loan. paying 90% of the monthly installment to capital for the 1st yr quite syok
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maintenance fee is just a starting....it will be long terms commitment....

not only renovations, furnitures etc....but also to repair the broken things/pipe/water leakage, and cleaning the house also a long terms cost....

don't forget cukai tanah cukai pintu....and MOT
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i sekaligus taruh 160k into the semi-flexi account for a principal of 430k
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 10 2023, 02:51 PM)
This is what I know about full flexi PBB and HLB loans based on my experience. Full flexi loans have loan account and another current account opened to facilitate payment.

HLB: let's say loan balance is RM100k. If you put in RM80k in this current acc, only RM70k will be used to offset the interest in the loan.

PBB: loan balance is RM100k. If you put RM80k in the current account, only RM80k*70% will be used to offset the interest in the loan.

For semi-flexi conventional loan, PBB allows 100% offset if you pay a lump sump (but not sure how to do it, either at counter or online), the catch is you cannot or it's very difficult if at all to draw out this extra payment.

For Islamic loan, I have no idea bro.
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Idk, you tell me since you gave the impression as if people don't use own money and name to buy RM2m houses.
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FAMA fund is good...if not company money lo
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i sekaligus taruh 160k into the semi-flexi account for a principal of 430k
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FAMA fund is good...if not company money lo
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Company money still own money ma.

Every month bayar RM7,400 interest wo, sure sakit.

RM7,400 can hire two staff to expand business empire
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maybank is the best then, can offset 100%  smile.gif
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You cannot offset 100%. Will auto close account wei.

The last time I asked, Maybank full flexi comes with compulsory overdraft facility. You don''t use put kena pay some fee (can't remember what it's called). The semi flexi is easier compared to PBB in terms of withdrawing excess payment when you need it iirc.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 10 2023, 03:04 PM)
You cannot offset 100%. Will auto close account wei.

The last time I asked, Maybank full flexi comes with compulsory overdraft facility. You don''t use put kena pay some fee (can't remember what it's called). The semi flexi is easier compared to PBB in terms of withdrawing excess payment when you need it iirc.
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my account never closed. put 300k in, 300k interest less. That's 100% whistling.gif
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FAMA fund is good...if not company money lo
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Those doctors and proffessionals, takkan all of them buy using company money? I wonder how you come to the conclusion people don't use own money and name to buy RM2mln properties. It's not that expensive for these people.
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my account never closed. put 300k in, 300k interest less. That's 100%  whistling.gif
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What's your outstanding loan amount?
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300,010. left rm10 there to enjoy free overdraft facility biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(MKCL @ Oct 10 2023, 02:44 PM)
what is progressive drawdown disbursed prepayment in layman terms ?
my loan currently already release 94k, based on progress. outstanding released amount is 79k. I dont have much in flexi loan as I spent most of them in downpayment, have like 6-10k, with additional 10k from bonus every yr
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Progressive drawdown disbursed mean loan released for the stage completion. Example if spa 600k. Completion of stage 2a piling (10%-60k) stage 2b structure (15%-90k) and so on.

For highrise, these 2 stages will incur longest/ most cummulative u/c progressive interest till VP. Therefore work towards to zerorize 2a&2b in the coming 36 months, the sooner the better prior to VP.

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Oct 10 2023, 03:11 PM)
300,010. left rm10 there to enjoy free overdraft facility  biggrin.gif
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So thy will jz deduct from the 300k for monthly repayment and no loan interest charge coz u loan nth?
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QUOTE(ListenToTheWind @ Oct 10 2023, 03:03 PM)
Company money still own money ma.

Every month bayar RM7,400 interest wo, sure sakit.

RM7,400 can hire two staff to expand business empire
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what? okay lo....if you assume they are same
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300,010. left rm10 there to enjoy free overdraft facility  biggrin.gif
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Ceh.. that means not 100% offset lo.
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This is the problem when school don't teach you financial management and loan calculation.
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So thy will jz deduct from the 300k for monthly repayment and no loan interest charge coz u loan nth?
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yup slowly deduct. The rm10 will still generate tiny outstanding interest though biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 10 2023, 03:13 PM)
Ceh.. that means not 100% offset lo.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 10 2023, 03:06 PM)
Those doctors and proffessionals, takkan all of them buy using company money? I wonder how you come to the conclusion people don't use own money and name to buy RM2mln properties. It's not that expensive for these people.
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doctors also got Sdn Bhd geh....don't be surprised....

even so, they can lease back or use rental contract to back up...
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300,010. left rm10 there to enjoy free overdraft facility  biggrin.gif
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where got free.....it is your money oiii.....uncle got real OD facility at RM 4.3 millions....interest same as BR + 1.2%....this one baru make sense oiiii
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yup slowly deduct. The rm10 will still generate tiny outstanding interest though  biggrin.gif
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Haha okok so the loan interest only charge on the remaining RM10 till u decide to make it as fully paid .
Withdraw 1 time fees is like RM25?
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ok, 99.999999% if you want to be precise  biggrin.gif
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Try putting in another RM10 and see whether the loan is automatically settled or not lo.
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If u loan me 350k, after 35 years total i pay to you is 700k, will u approve?
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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Seems, the Rule Of 78 is still being applied by Malaysian banks for long term housing loans. .......

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/ruleof78.asp - Rule of 78: Definition, How Lenders Use It, and Calculation
By CAROLINE BANTON Updated March 06, 2021
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What Is the Rule of 78?

The Rule of 78 is a method used by some lenders to calculate interest charges on a loan. The Rule of 78 requires the borrower to pay a greater portion of interest in the earlier part of a loan cycle, which decreases the potential savings for the borrower in paying off their loan. ...

In 1992, the legislation made this type of financing illegal for loans in the United States with a duration of greater than 61 months. ....

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Progressive drawdown disbursed mean loan released for the stage completion. Example if spa 600k. Completion of stage 2a piling (10%-60k) stage 2b structure (15%-90k) and so on.

For highrise, these 2 stages will incur longest/most cummulative u/c progressive interest till VP. Therefore work towards to zerorize 2a&2b in the coming 36 months, the sooner the better prior to VP.
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debt/loan is still loan....uncle rather it to be off-set by uncle life insurance rather than using current cash flow to cover it....

why take a loan if you don't actually need it? lol

every "long-terms" spending, uncle don't mind to service the debt....because it is long terms debts that uncle knew it when the day 1 uncle sign the SPA.
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If u loan me 350k, after 35 years total i pay to you is 700k, will u approve?
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what is the value of 350k after 35 years?

uncle time RM 1 is so big....now.....speechless edy
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 10 2023, 02:36 PM)
IMO, you lose money by taking out from ASB to pay more downpayment if ASB gives you higher interest rate compared to home loan - especially for gomen staff kan? You only gain from potentially lower MRTT premium.
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indeed, but nothing to lose since ASB dividen return for the last 2-3 years quite low.
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Oct 10 2023, 03:12 PM)
Progressive drawdown disbursed mean loan released for the stage completion. Example if spa 600k. Completion of stage 2a piling (10%-60k) stage 2b structure (15%-90k) and so on.

For highrise, these 2 stages will incur longest/most cummulative u/c progressive interest till VP. Therefore work towards to zerorize 2a&2b in the coming 36 months, the sooner the better prior to VP.
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i see, well unless I work some good side job, I dont really have much cash to dump into flexi loan. only annual bonus and 12 month salary to dump into it annually, around 10K annually.

I also not keen on using EPF either since EPF higher interest.
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Oct 10 2023, 03:20 PM)
debt/loan is still loan....uncle rather it to be off-set by uncle life insurance rather than using current cash flow to cover it....

why take a loan if you don't actually need it? lol

every "long-terms" spending, uncle don't mind to service the debt....because it is long terms debts that uncle knew it when the day 1 uncle sign the SPA.
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No wrong on your part. One to its own.

Leveraging on mortgage is all about finance cost. Financing cost = high/low interest incurred over the time horizon.

Life insurance also incurred finance cost, cost of insurance.
That said, mrta redemption works wonder (lagi berbaloi) lol

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Sendiri suka suka take loan, now want government to help you, didn't read contract?

One day those took out epf, will blame government why mahyiddin allow to take out the money.

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QUOTE(MKCL @ Oct 10 2023, 03:26 PM)
i see, well unless I work some good side job, I dont really have much cash to dump into flexi loan. only annual bonus and 12 month salary to dump into it annually, around 10K annually.

I also not keen on using EPF either since EPF higher interest.
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Doesn't matter. As little as one has, do it right you will reduce your cost of financing.

You will never know your future income but most importantly doing it right in principal reduction. Thats the goal.

Mortgage is all about leveraging to the lowest cost of finance.

Yes, exclude epf

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Oct 10 2023, 03:31 PM)
No wrong on your part. One to its own.

Leveraging on mortgage is all about finance cost. Financing cost = high/low interest incurred over the time horizon.

Life insurance also incurred finance cost, cost of insurance.
That said, mrta redemption works wonder (lagi berbaloi) lol
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we - as human only have 1 life...

if we die....let the mortgage debt settle by insuranace lor....either MRTA and MLTA or other Life insurance....

again, if not, especially we are very poor, then inherit nothing to our next generations lo....

debt will not inherit automatically....and your next of kin can reject to accept your asset (and the debt from that particular aaset).....

peace
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Oct 10 2023, 03:31 PM)
No wrong on your part. One to its own.

Leveraging on mortgage is all about finance cost. Financing cost = high/low interest incurred over the time horizon.

Life insurance also incurred finance cost, cost of insurance.
That said, mrta redemption works wonder (lagi berbaloi) lol
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buy normal life insurance la....cheaper and better....MRTA take minimum cukup edy....since it is reducing...
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QUOTE(MKCL @ Oct 10 2023, 03:26 PM)
i see, well unless I work some good side job, I dont really have much cash to dump into flexi loan. only annual bonus and 12 month salary to dump into it annually, around 10K annually.

I also not keen on using EPF either since EPF higher interest.
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uncle encourage ppl to take out EPF saving to pay for mortgage....malaysian don't count on EPF to retire one....no point
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Oct 10 2023, 09:31 AM)
Unker ppr in 2013 buy only rm218k.

Monthly supposed to be rm1100 wonly.

But pay rm2k monthly now.

Currenlt principle left rm66k wonly.

Hope can fully settle within the next 2-3 years.
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Islamic loan not as this right? They using term buying and selling, u pay more, it just deduct the future payment
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QUOTE(kelvinfixx @ Oct 10 2023, 03:33 PM)
Sendiri suka suka take loan, now want government to help you, didn't read contract?

One day those took out epf, will blame government why mahyiddin allow to take out the money.
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This. Else make house loan capped at 10 years only not 35 years if keep calculating how much Bank take interest
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Oct 10 2023, 03:44 PM)
we - as human only have 1 life...

if we die....let the mortgage debt settle by insuranace lor....either MRTA and MLTA or other Life insurance....

again, if not, especially we are very poor, then inherit nothing to our next generations lo....

debt will not inherit automatically....and your next of kin can reject to accept your asset (and the debt from that particular aaset).....

peace
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Agree fully.
Peace upon all of us.

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Oct 10 2023, 10:44 AM)
Don't know,
See dashboard show still own bank almost 1.1 million...
Already pay for 7 years....
Interest pre covid, but the amount need to pay more that pre covid......
Don't know...
Bank dashboard show I still own 1.1 million....
Borrow 300k...
Pay 7 years already.....
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buy normal life insurance la....cheaper and better....MRTA take minimum cukup edy....since it is reducing...
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Yes.
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Not planning to merry.....
Prefer solo....
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Let say I want to buy an apartment cost about rm600k, should I take 90% loan? Or 50% loan instead?

Throw cash 300k as deposit, then 300k with 10 years loan

However on 3rd year of loan I can settle the loan, anyone can help calculate how much interest I could save?
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Gov will help to current those in need dire help to own a house / apartment which is small for a family to own a place that call home.

However, those manage to get without gov help are suffering becoz die die also want a house with big huge interest.

None help to them, apart from income tax but only last for the last year's ago ? But only reduce income tax but continue once lapse.....kesian dulu dulu purchase for the sufferings.,...
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unker always advise younger kolik upon their asking, stop focusing on how much you want to spend on renovate your house nicer, instead focus how to cut down on unnecessary renovation and increase your down payment or how to grow income with those.

All those young kids rileks je spending more then 100k cash on this sort of things.

In the end, you a grown adult, your own money, no need other people to tell you how to spend them.
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QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Oct 10 2023, 03:59 PM)
Let say I want to buy an apartment cost about rm600k, should I take 90% loan? Or 50% loan instead?

Throw cash 300k as deposit, then 300k with 10 years loan

However on 3rd year of loan I can settle the loan, anyone can help calculate how much interest I could save?
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Tak bagi interest rate how to calculate?

Also some loan got 5 years lock in period which need to pay penalty for early settlement.
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lets say u borrow 500k for 30 year 4%, at the end u have to pay 359k interest on top of the 500k.

but if u pay 100k downpayment and borrow 400k for 30 years at 4%, at the end u have to pay 287k interest on top of 500k.

difference is u save rm 72k on interest

but, if u take that 100k and dump into epf lets say 5.5% for 30 years, u will have 498k after 30 years.

minus the 72k due to house loan interest difference, u still have 426k extra.

so for me, is really no brainer la, i sure whack highest loan tenure as possible and save the money elsewhere with higher return than house loan.

but will get in trouble if use it to leverage and borrow more to goreng house. once opr hike more than epf rate then gg
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 10 2023, 03:19 PM)
Try putting in another RM10 and see whether the loan is automatically settled or not lo.
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what for? It is 10000 times better than your pbb or hlb, cannot even over 70% whistling.gif
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Pay extra to principal la bodo. Siapa suruh you min.pay 1500/mth?

People loan few million pun belum bising, you 350k kacang putih mau bukakke thread sampai 12 pages for what cock?
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QUOTE(prdkancil @ Oct 10 2023, 03:18 PM)
Haha okok so the loan interest only charge on the remaining RM10 till u decide to make it as fully paid .
Withdraw 1 time fees is like RM25?
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yes rm25 to withdraw. pretty cheap imo to access money when you really need it smile.gif
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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Oct 10 2023, 04:15 PM)
lets say u borrow 500k for 30 year 4%, at the end u have to pay 359k interest on top of the 500k.

but if u pay 100k downpayment and borrow 400k for 30 years at 4%, at the end u have to pay 287k interest on top of 500k.

difference is u save rm 72k on interest

but, if u take that 100k and dump into epf lets say 5.5% for 30 years, u will have 498k after 30 years.

minus the 72k due to house loan interest difference, u still have 426k extra.

so for me, is really no brainer la, i sure whack highest loan tenure as possible and save the money elsewhere with higher return than house loan.

but will get in trouble if use it to leverage and borrow more to goreng house. once opr hike more than epf rate then gg
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Izit possible opr more than epf?
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unker always advise younger kolik upon their asking, stop focusing on how much you want to spend on renovate your house nicer, instead focus how to cut down on unnecessary renovation and increase your down payment or how to grow income with those.

All those young kids rileks je spending more then 100k cash on this sort of things.

In the end, you a grown adult, your own money, no need other people to tell you how to spend them.
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unfortunately lots of young couples spends overboard for their reno claiming its their dream house/once a lifetime/ do now if not later bekum expensive
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Oct 10 2023, 03:50 PM)
This. Else make house loan capped at 10 years only not 35 years if keep calculating how much Bank take interest
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money value small brah.. if home loan capped at 10 years alot prop developer will go pokai. haha.
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QUOTE(metaled @ Oct 10 2023, 04:09 PM)
unker always advise younger kolik upon their asking, stop focusing on how much you want to spend on renovate your house nicer, instead focus how to cut down on unnecessary renovation and increase your down payment or how to grow income with those.

All those young kids rileks je spending more then 100k cash on this sort of things.

In the end, you a grown adult, your own money, no need other people to tell you how to spend them.
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not their fault....but property nowadays do not have good quality tho.....thin structure and cracking everywhere + poor isulation + bad design (kitchen at living room)...

Singapore HDB is much more practical and solid tho.
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unfortunately lots of young couples spends overboard for their reno claiming its their dream house/once a lifetime/ do now if not later bekum expensive
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worst is they found out their property is leaking here and there and need to remove tiles to repairs.....and not many people can fully coorperative to strata management also....at the end....a lot of bad unit come out and the management cannot keep up....
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Oct 10 2023, 04:25 PM)
money value small brah.. if home loan capped at 10 years alot prop developer will go pokai. haha.
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I mean don't too calculative for loan, how much bank make etc via interest when we loan for 35 years. All calculated. Else borrow FAMA then for T20 parents
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unfortunately lots of young couples spends overboard for their reno claiming its their dream house/once a lifetime/ do now if not later bekum expensive
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also, they realised only 1 cp....then if gf/wife want park, need to rent one more....otherwise parking at roadside jer....block the whole road
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Oct 10 2023, 04:29 PM)
I mean don't too calculative for loan, how much bank make etc via interest when we loan for 35 years. All calculated. Else borrow FAMA then for T20 parents
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actually the first option always borrow from FAMA....business loan 101
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Oct 10 2023, 12:26 PM)
bad design (kitchen at living room)...

Singapore HDB is much more practical and solid tho.
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let me intro u to 250sqft

kitchen in dining room in living room in bedroom sampai haram jadah mampos kau

prime location
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unfortunately lots of young couples spends overboard for their reno claiming its their dream house/once a lifetime/ do now if not later bekum expensive
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also lauzy car park design.....over-dense units....

narrow car lane + too high level CP (take more fuels) + rain cover bad.....lobby flooded when rain....
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let me intro u to 250sqft

kitchen in dining room in living room in bedroom sampai haram jadah mampos kau

prime location
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250sqft in malaysia? memang haram...
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QUOTE(buffa @ Oct 10 2023, 09:59 AM)
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TS like my friend, said paid more than 10 years for housing loan, last few year go check principle only reduce less than 50k. Then kpkb.
Ask him pay more monthly, he keep quiet.

The best part is monthly TNB bill more than the housing loan  notworthy.gif

Got kids, 1 breeding dog, outside eat dont really care the price.
YOLO more important  thumbsup.gif
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defaq TNB bill higher than loan instalment?
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let me intro u to 250sqft

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uncle think government should propose TAMAN development instead of condo.....condo is really not suitable for Malaysian
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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Oct 10 2023, 04:15 PM)
lets say u borrow 500k for 30 year 4%, at the end u have to pay 359k interest on top of the 500k.

but if u pay 100k downpayment and borrow 400k for 30 years at 4%, at the end u have to pay 287k interest on top of 500k.

difference is u save rm 72k on interest

but, if u take that 100k and dump into epf lets say 5.5% for 30 years, u will have 498k after 30 years.

minus the 72k due to house loan interest difference, u still have 426k extra.

so for me, is really no brainer la, i sure whack highest loan tenure as possible and save the money elsewhere with higher return than house loan.

but will get in trouble if use it to leverage and borrow more to goreng house. once opr hike more than epf rate then gg
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Lol your concept is right but the numbers are all wrong.
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House loan also scared. Why need to scared, no money can sell get some profit, can rent. Unless you buy very bad property, than die lo.
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
Gov should do sthg, how can house loan be so expensive...
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not using flexi?
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QUOTE(xiaojohn @ Oct 10 2023, 12:35 PM)
uncle think government should propose TAMAN development instead of condo.....condo is really not suitable for Malaysian
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malaysian cant afford house adi

now still condo

later literally sleeping box only
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QUOTE(metaled @ Oct 10 2023, 04:09 PM)
unker always advise younger kolik upon their asking, stop focusing on how much you want to spend on renovate your house nicer, instead focus how to cut down on unnecessary renovation and increase your down payment or how to grow income with those.

All those young kids rileks je spending more then 100k cash on this sort of things.

In the end, you a grown adult, your own money, no need other people to tell you how to spend them.
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why not, i do plan to reno house kaw2.. at least when came back home.. rumah nampak cantik, suci murni. whistling.gif whistling.gif
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Izit possible opr more than epf?
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my father generation house loan was much higher than epf. as high as 10% during 98 crisis or so.

that time u better whack everything u got to pay off the house loan.
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Lol your concept is right but the numbers are all wrong.
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simple math la come on. use house loan calculator/compounding calculator to count and u will see the numbers.

as long as interest u can earn > house loan interest then u are safe to keep there.

500k

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400k
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and for 100k that u put in epf with 5.5% u will get 4.96x 100k after 30 years

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QUOTE(froggyx @ Oct 10 2023, 09:48 AM)
Thats why unker buy 4 acres of land with pertanian status.........when cheap only cost 360k.....build house with 5 rooms 20X25 02 halls 30X25..02 parking garage....3 porch.....

all without the hassle of approval from local counsil because of the status of the land..........and best of all it only cost me 160k.....
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Before taking loan, never calculate properly meh?

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simple math la come on. use house loan calculator/compounding calculator to count and u will see the numbers.

as long as interest u can earn > house loan interest then u are safe to keep there.

500k

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and for 100k that u put in epf with 5.5% u will get 4.96x 100k after 30 years
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I agree keep in epf is better, but not as much as shown in your calculation.

You see, 500k/30y you pay monthly RM2387.08, but 400k/30y you only pay RM1909.66. Difference is RM477.42/month. If you put RM477.42/month into epf, you will have RM414,620.68.

Plus the RM72k, you will get RM486,620.68.

Just RM11k less only.
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you need to check with the bank the formula, different bank has different formula, some even you pay more monthly, it is not going help much, it just help to save interest only but the principal still remain the same, thats why you see the principal deduction is little even after years
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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Oct 10 2023, 05:00 PM)
I agree keep in epf is better, but not as much as shown in your calculation.

You see, 500k/30y you pay monthly RM2387.08, but 400k/30y you only pay RM1909.66. Difference is RM477.42/month. If you put RM477.42/month into epf, you will have RM414,620.68.

Plus the RM72k, you will get RM486,620.68.

Just RM11k less only.
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ok, my bad. forgot to count the difference in monthly loan if it were put into epf as well.
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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Oct 10 2023, 04:15 PM)
lets say u borrow 500k for 30 year 4%, at the end u have to pay 359k interest on top of the 500k.

but if u pay 100k downpayment and borrow 400k for 30 years at 4%, at the end u have to pay 287k interest on top of 500k.

difference is u save rm 72k on interest

but, if u take that 100k and dump into epf lets say 5.5% for 30 years, u will have 498k after 30 years.

minus the 72k due to house loan interest difference, u still have 426k extra.

so for me, is really no brainer la, i sure whack highest loan tenure as possible and save the money elsewhere with higher return than house loan.

but will get in trouble if use it to leverage and borrow more to goreng house. once opr hike more than epf rate then gg
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Borrow 400k, va 500k. You pay less monthly installments for 400k loan.
You forgot to add the interest you will gain if you invest this installment difference every month by putting inside epf.
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how to pay principal if u have flexi loan account

i use cimb online the cibai sotong dun let me pay, macam need to raise instructions over the counter
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 10 2023, 05:11 PM)
Borrow 400k, va 500k. You pay less monthly installments for 400k loan.
You forgot to add the interest you will gain if you invest this installment difference every month by putting inside epf.
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yup, forgot to add in the saving per month if borrow less.

but anyway, now most of the house loan are semi flexy or even full flexy. you can pay extra if u have more money and no place to put.
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Buy land, pay cash. Build a hut, then upgrade to tiny house. Then build your real house for few years on your own. No need to take loan this way.
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how to pay principal if u have flexi loan account

i use cimb online the cibai sotong dun let me pay, macam need to raise instructions over the counter
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i am using hong leong and yes have to go counter and submit form if u want to pay the principle
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how to pay principal if u have flexi loan account

i use cimb online the cibai sotong dun let me pay, macam need to raise instructions over the counter
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Is there any cap or limit on interest deduction?
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how to pay principal if u have flexi loan account

i use cimb online the cibai sotong dun let me pay, macam need to raise instructions over the counter
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why do you want to pay principal if you have a flexi account? Defeats the whole purpose of a flexi account. You might as well get the non-flexi with lower interest rates smile.gif
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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Oct 10 2023, 05:15 PM)
lets say u borrow 500k for 30 year 4%, at the end u have to pay 359k interest on top of the 500k.

but if u pay 100k downpayment and borrow 400k for 30 years at 4%, at the end u have to pay 287k interest on top of 500k.

difference is u save rm 72k on interest

but, if u take that 100k and dump into epf lets say 5.5% for 30 years, u will have 498k after 30 years.

minus the 72k due to house loan interest difference, u still have 426k extra.

so for me, is really no brainer la, i sure whack highest loan tenure as possible and save the money elsewhere with higher return than house loan.

but will get in trouble if use it to leverage and borrow more to goreng house. once opr hike more than epf rate then gg
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If I keep money at my wife country for that 300k with per annum average at 6.5% - 8%, so I will be better off In the end?

QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Oct 10 2023, 05:36 PM)
Lol your concept is right but the numbers are all wrong.
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Oh, sifu please 🙏 enlighten
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how to pay principal if u have flexi loan account

i use cimb online the cibai sotong dun let me pay, macam need to raise instructions over the counter
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I every month pay the standard Mtly. Installment. Then make a second payment and state in the transaction instruction column to Reduce Loan Principal.

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Question to all financial sifu.

I got a shoplot, already own for 6 years now only the rental break even with the monthly installment. I have no problem paying the monthly installment and the rental i received should go all in to pay the principal off or sumbat into EPF?

Few points to consider.
- I have enough savings to survive 1 year without working.
- Currently in the highest tax bracket. So if i pay principle i lowered the interest amount i end up paying more tax? dunno how to calculate this.
- unfortunately i dont have flexi loan.
- total noob in investment. never play stock market. Tried invest some trust fund all end up rugi. As the saying goes, i am the type that kena curse to only profit by working hard. No shortcut in my life in regards to asset gain. I lose out everytime i venture out of property/FD/epf.
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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Oct 10 2023, 05:00 PM)
I agree keep in epf is better, but not as much as shown in your calculation.

You see, 500k/30y you pay monthly RM2387.08, but 400k/30y you only pay RM1909.66. Difference is RM477.42/month. If you put RM477.42/month into epf, you will have RM414,620.68.

Plus the RM72k, you will get RM486,620.68.

Just RM11k less only.
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Yes the interest is crazy. Every month 1k++.

Thats y i vow to settle housing loan early.

Drive cheap ass car, then

any extra just pump into the loan. Hopefully can settle within 10 yrs.
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He forgot to knock-off the figure with the difference in installment amount between a 500k and 400k.

This amount A sum per month can also be invested in kwsp for 30 years, compounded the same.

Net difference is about 11k

True apple to apple

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Question to all financial sifu.

I got a shoplot, already own for 6 years now only the rental break even with the monthly installment. I have no problem paying the monthly installment and the rental i received should go all in to pay the principal off or sumbat into EPF?

Few points to consider.
- I have enough savings to survive 1 year without working.
- Currently in the highest tax bracket. So if i pay principle i lowered the interest amount i end up paying more tax? dunno how to calculate this.
- unfortunately i dont have flexi loan.
- total noob in investment. never play stock market. Tried invest some trust fund all end up rugi. As the saying goes, i am the type that kena curse to only profit by working hard. No shortcut in my life in regards to asset gain. I lose out everytime i venture out of property/FD/epf.
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sumbat EPF....LoL....

Beli tanah kat kampung, you boleh retired dah....kenapa nak EPF pulak?

EPF hanya sebab minta bayaran daripada majikan lah...

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 10 2023, 05:53 PM)
Question to all financial sifu.

I got a shoplot, already own for 6 years now only the rental break even with the monthly installment. I have no problem paying the monthly installment and the rental i received should go all in to pay the principal off or sumbat into EPF?

Few points to consider.
- I have enough savings to survive 1 year without working.
- Currently in the highest tax bracket. So if i pay principle i lowered the interest amount i end up paying more tax? dunno how to calculate this.
- unfortunately i dont have flexi loan.
- total noob in investment. never play stock market. Tried invest some trust fund all end up rugi. As the saying goes, i am the type that kena curse to only profit by working hard. No shortcut in my life in regards to asset gain. I lose out everytime i venture out of property/FD/epf.
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If you are in the highest tax bracket, get a financial planner to help you. Serious.
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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 10 2023, 05:53 PM)
Question to all financial sifu.

I got a shoplot, already own for 6 years now only the rental break even with the monthly installment. I have no problem paying the monthly installment and the rental i received should go all in to pay the principal off or sumbat into EPF?

Few points to consider.
- I have enough savings to survive 1 year without working.
- Currently in the highest tax bracket. So if i pay principle i lowered the interest amount i end up paying more tax? dunno how to calculate this.
- unfortunately i dont have flexi loan.
- total noob in investment. never play stock market. Tried invest some trust fund all end up rugi. As the saying goes, i am the type that kena curse to only profit by working hard. No shortcut in my life in regards to asset gain. I lose out everytime i venture out of property/FD/epf.
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kalau singapura, majikan kena bayar 18% ya. malaysia majikan kena bayar/contribute berapa %?
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:28 AM)
Loan 350k
Today outstanding: 320k
Already served 6 years plus, 1500 monthly

6 x 12 x 1500 = 108k
108k - 30k = 78k

Bank already earned 78k interest from me, bloody hell
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QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Oct 10 2023, 05:45 PM)
If I keep money at my wife country for that 300k with per annum average at 6.5% - 8%, so I will be better off In the end?
Oh, sifu please 🙏 enlighten
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his calculation is correct. but to have a bigger saving u need to increase the interest rate you are getting, or the bigger the downpayment u going to put become your initial investment.

i was giving sample of 500k vs 400k borrow.

but if i use 500k vs 300k at 4.0% house loan rate vs investment rate of 6.5% then the difference will be bigger.

500k at 4% rate for 30 years u need to pay 359k interest on top of 500k initial loan value.

300k at 4% rate for 30 years u need to pay 215k interest on top of 500k initial loan value.

interest saving is 144k.

now, every month repayment for 500k loan is 2387 vs 1432 for 300k loan, which is 955 difference.

assume all the 955 u invest in 6.5% interest yield every month, then for 30 years u will get 990k.

so sum for 300k loan after 30 years is 144k saving from interest and 990k for investment = 1.134m

for 200k investment at 6.5% for 30 years give u 1.322m

the difference will be 189k more after 30 years if u decide to borrow full loan and invest 200k downpayment.

if u have 300k downpayment as investment it will be even greater difference at 283k


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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Oct 10 2023, 05:53 PM)
Question to all financial sifu.

I got a shoplot, already own for 6 years now only the rental break even with the monthly installment. I have no problem paying the monthly installment and the rental i received should go all in to pay the principal off or sumbat into EPF?

Few points to consider.
- I have enough savings to survive 1 year without working.
- Currently in the highest tax bracket. So if i pay principle i lowered the interest amount i end up paying more tax? dunno how to calculate this.
- unfortunately i dont have flexi loan.
- total noob in investment. never play stock market. Tried invest some trust fund all end up rugi. As the saying goes, i am the type that kena curse to only profit by working hard. No shortcut in my life in regards to asset gain. I lose out everytime i venture out of property/FD/epf.
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Not guru, just some pointers for your consideration.

If your shop location is above average, i will keep for recurring income.

Shoplot, its either a do or die thing. Location and its residential, commmerce mix maturity matters.

Study the business mix there, is it an isolated 2 rows only to a small taman or a cluster of shoplots that can be called business park of that neighbourhood.

Sustainability matters for shoplots.

Anyway, shoplot is good asset class for recurring income if you hit triple 20 and a top check out in selecting the few.

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Not guru, just some pointers for your consideration.

If your shop location is above average, i will keep for recurring income.

Shoplot, its either a do or die thing. Location and its residential, commmerce mix maturity matters.

Study the business mix there, is it an isolated 2 rows only to a small taman or a cluster of shoplots that can be called business park of that neighbourhood.

Sustainability matters for shoplots.

Anyway, shoplot is good asset class for recurring income if you hit triple 20 and a top check out in selecting the few.
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Hijack terek a bit.

How does Shoplot profit in property investment? Via rental collect until 20,30years to finish the loan?
Shoplot are meant to do business hence many people only rent shoplot, is there secondary market for Shoplot? if no, how does shoplot profit?
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QUOTE(froggyx @ Oct 10 2023, 09:48 AM)
Thats why unker buy 4 acres of land with pertanian status.........when cheap only cost 360k.....build house with 5 rooms 20X25 02 halls 30X25..02 parking garage....3 porch.....

all without the hassle of approval from local counsil because of the status of the land..........and best of all it only cost me 160k.....
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bumi or non bumi first?
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QUOTE(submergedx @ Oct 10 2023, 07:45 PM)
Hijack terek a bit.

How does Shoplot profit in property investment? Via rental collect until 20,30years to finish the loan?
Shoplot are meant to do business hence many people only rent shoplot, is there secondary market for Shoplot? if no, how does shoplot profit?
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plenty of secondary market for shoplot and industrial property, but not for ikan bilis. transactions in terms of millions. I have an aunt who was ex-vp of citibank has lots of ammo in buying and selling (because of her income bracket, she can get loans in the millions) biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(submergedx @ Oct 10 2023, 07:45 PM)
Hijack terek a bit.

How does Shoplot profit in property investment? Via rental collect until 20,30years to finish the loan?
Shoplot are meant to do business hence many people only rent shoplot, is there secondary market for Shoplot? if no, how does shoplot profit?
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Secondary market, there surely is.

Key move is you gotta be the early birds to put your money in the new development township. You need to know the development's potentials, developer's strategy as a whole and their master plan, their commercial spread, infrastructure kedukut-ness (like the aust slang stinge), look into where are the gazetted surrender land to be etc etc.
In short, hot and everything from oven about the township.

What you see in the township, do make a point to study valuation? its demagraphic, connectivity, dev mix, existing nearby, local councils and their supporting plans if any, how is their hand shake to with developer etc etc and most importantly 'the ounces' of your developer. Every developers has their architect-authorities runners or an inhouse one, get to know these.

Holding power for shoplots? A big yes. That's the gameplan for being early in order to maximise the potentials you see in.

Frankly speaking, many invested in shoplots for an asset class hedging against inflation. A recurring income at later years. There are things that always go up in tandem. Business premises is one.

As you mentioned 20/30 yrs by instalments (rental return) ? That ain't gonna make the cut, not even for residential of today. Even if you do get good rental returns in the shortest time, as an investor you still need to do your part in your leveraged prepayment. Never the 20/30 yrs kind of tenure. Cost of financing is everything and crucial in any property ownership.

Not the math of rental A > instalment B x 20/30 yrs. Its not sustainable.

Anything short, its the Bank with a big smile and not you.

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this thread makes me think i should stay with my fama's house since they want me start family here
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If I have savings 40k per year

Should I put it into EPF or advance payment for housing loan
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Tumpang threat also

If I have savings 40k per year

Should I put it into EPF or advance payment for housing loan
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Depends on your age - epf gives higher interest but money will be locked. Excess pymt to loan may still be available to you if you suddenly need the cash.

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QUOTE(zeese @ Oct 10 2023, 09:34 AM)
Actually, there's nothing scary, if you dont plan to do early settlement..  whatever numbers shown, your installment numbers remain fixed (25/30 years or whatever duration you had chosen).
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Oct 10 2023, 08:49 PM)
Secondary market, there surely is.

Key move is you gotta be the early birds to put your money  in the new development township. You need to know the development's potentials, developer's strategy as a whole and their master plan, their commercial spread, infrastructure kedukut-ness (like the aust slang stinge), look into where are the gazetted surrender land to be etc etc.
In short, hot and everything from oven about the township.

What you see in the township, do make a point to study valuation? its demagraphic, connectivity, dev mix, existing nearby, local councils and their supporting plans if any, how is their hand shake to with developer etc etc and most importantly 'the ounces' of your developer. Every developers has their architect-authorities runners or an inhouse one, get to know these.

Holding power for shoplots? A big yes. That's the gameplan for being early in order to maximise the potentials you see in.

Frankly speaking, many invested in shoplots for an asset class hedging against inflation. A recurring income at later years. There are things that always go up in tandem. Business premises is one.

As you mentioned 20/30 yrs by instalments (rental return) ? That ain't gonna make the cut, not even for residential of today. Even if you do get good rental returns in the shortest time, as an investor you still need to do your part in your leveraged prepayment. Never the 20/30 yrs kind of tenure. Cost of financing is everything and crucial in any property ownership.

Not the math of rental A > instalment B x 20/30 yrs. Its not sustainable.

Anything short, its the Bank with a big smile and not you.
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Tumpang threat also

If I have savings 40k per year

Should I put it into EPF or advance payment for housing loan
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post Oct 10 2023, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(loui @ Oct 10 2023, 09:48 PM)
Tumpang threat also

If I have savings 40k per year

Should I put it into EPF or advance payment for housing loan
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EPF gives 6 percent
House loan charges 4 percent

Free 2 percent every year

But i used my epf to clear my house loan. Hate payment every mth. We don't always make sound decision. We make what feels right for us.

Either or it's better than not having money or owe cc
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 10 2023, 04:46 PM)
How far from klang valley ? Untung if near those major highway or kl /pj
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My house is in sg buloh near to Elmina....on the left i got LATAR...on the right i got DASH...up got north south highway...and near my house is Guthrie with access to Elite......
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post Oct 11 2023, 07:10 AM

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Along also compounding interest
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QUOTE(focusrite @ Oct 10 2023, 07:50 PM)
bumi or non bumi first?
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My land non bumi...but i have another 2 ....around the same area with bumi status.
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post Oct 11 2023, 07:20 AM

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QUOTE(submergedx @ Oct 10 2023, 11:14 PM)
Appreciated the explanation.

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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Oct 10 2023, 09:40 AM)
House loan should follow car loan, max 9 years and fixed interest. Today bought Benz 300k loan 9 years also not this expensive. How come house loan interest so high than car?
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1st page bodoh, suddenly 2nd page tunjuk bodoh sekali lagi lollll
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post Oct 11 2023, 08:11 AM

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haha... i tot the Effective Interest Rates for hire-purchase loan must be shown in the loan agreement but many still confused.

QUOTE(Angry Clerk @ Oct 11 2023, 07:22 AM)
1st page bodoh, suddenly 2nd page tunjuk bodoh sekali lagi lollll
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post Oct 11 2023, 08:23 AM

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Weird rite.... knowing how things compounded....

Many wage earning humans , still doesn't leverage on that and save $$$ in FD (safest option) , thinking its useless coz mere few % dividends not significant enough. Better empty the bank acct each month to splurge / YOLO

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last time i beli rumah cash..

recently when want to apply car loan, few bankers ask many times why no history house loan... house loan is a must ke? adoi...
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Oct 11 2023, 08:23 AM)
Weird rite.... knowing how things compounded....

Many wage earning humans ,  still doesn't leverage on that and save $$$ in FD (safest option)  , thinking its useless coz  mere few % dividends  not significant enough. Better empty the bank acct each month to splurge / YOLO
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Many said fd is equal to lost of opportunity cost wor

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post Oct 11 2023, 08:50 AM

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Macam only sotong flexi got principal reduction. Dump more then pay less.

Other banks flexi u still commit to a fixed amount monthly regardless paying extra or not.
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Oct 11 2023, 08:23 AM)
Weird rite.... knowing how things compounded....

Many wage earning humans ,  still doesn't leverage on that and save $$$ in FD (safest option)  , thinking its useless coz  mere few % dividends  not significant enough. Better empty the bank acct each month to splurge / YOLO
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QUOTE(xHj09 @ Oct 11 2023, 08:50 AM)
Macam only sotong flexi got principal reduction. Dump more then pay less.

Other banks flexi u still commit to a fixed amount monthly regardless paying extra or not.
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You mean installment amount, right?

That is a double-edged sword. Same installment amount when you dump more money means your interest accrued at the end of the loan tenure is less kot.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 11 2023, 09:34 PM)
You mean installment amount, right?

That is a double-edged sword. Same installment amount when you dump more money means your interest accrued at the end of the loan tenure is less kot.
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Yeah installment amount, my bad typo.

But you’re right, really double edge. It helps if one has financial literacy.. really helps out in being flexible
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QUOTE(forgotoldlogin @ Oct 10 2023, 04:37 PM)
House loan also scared. Why need to scared, no money can sell get some profit, can rent. Unless you buy very bad property, than die lo.
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Not all house after selling can profit.
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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Oct 11 2023, 08:11 AM)
haha... i tot the Effective Interest Rates for hire-purchase loan must be shown in the loan agreement but many still confused.
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not sure for housing loan

but car loan i just sign

no show EIR ; just showing FIR p.a

but showing total amount (interest portion) for X years

like u pinjam 100k

after u serve 9 years ..total include interest is 127k

then u do your own math

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Bank loan interest is good so can offset my rental income and don't need to pay much to LHDN.

If not mati saya paying 25% rental income to income tax.
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that is how they make billons in profit every year, b, not m.
below than billion consider rugi already.
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Oct 10 2023, 11:36 AM)
This is important.. to those taking >25 years loan the first few years is critical.. if monthly you can double up the repayment you actually need around 12 years only to completely pay the property.
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Wanna ask if there's a way or excel sheet to do calculations to see how many extra money needs to be pumped in to reduce certains years of the loan?
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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Oct 10 2023, 12:28 PM)
Wow, you played the bank nicely and they don't like being beaten at their own game
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Care to explain why the bank is considered "beaten at their own game"? Much appreciated
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QUOTE(augusta23 @ Oct 12 2023, 06:47 PM)
Wanna ask if there's a way or excel sheet to do calculations to see how many extra money needs to be pumped in to reduce certains years of the loan?
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I have my own but just use some online calculator. Can use a comparison calculator with early settlement of home loan.

 

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