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limeuu
post Apr 25 2024, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Apr 25 2024, 04:16 PM)
Our Malaysia passport is the culprit for many airline check in problems all over the world  laugh.gif
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When UK and the EU starts their eVisa systems (coming soon), I expect the same issue to jam up Malaysians as well
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post Apr 25 2024, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Apr 24 2024, 08:22 PM)
Are you thinking of making the move straight away once your visa's approved, or will you adopt a "wait and see" approach? I'm just curious, because I took the latter road and I've been waiting and seeing for the past 15 years. This should be the last RRV I'm applying, I intend to finally pull the trigger and opt for early retirement in Sydney by next year...
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it's an immediate move for me. I see no reason to delay.
Mainly due to my kiddo's education, and to kick start my aussie life/career asap. I am not a spring chicken anymore, the longer i wait the harder it is for me to adjust the new life and environment.
No doubt the initial transition period would be tough, might as well take the bitter medicine fast and get on with it.

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post Apr 25 2024, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(sawannaibaan @ Apr 25 2024, 05:58 PM)
it's an immediate move for me. I see no reason to delay.
Mainly due to my kiddo's education, and to kick start my aussie life/career asap. I am not a spring chicken anymore, the longer i wait the harder it is for me to adjust the new life and environment.
No doubt the initial transition period would be tough, might as well take the bitter medicine fast and get on with it.
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Good luck bro. And while Perth is a bit far from Sydney it will definitely give me a reason to come pay a visit next time haha.
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post Apr 25 2024, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 25 2024, 05:07 PM)
It's not SQ's fault.

They use the standard "given name": "middle name": "surname" format in all their interfaces.

So most people follow that with Ah Kow:blank: Tan in their KF registration or bookings, which I also did.

Then when I realised the problem with the Malaysia passport name system, I cannot change because then I cannot link my bookings with my KF account. In the past, boarding passes with a name like "Tan Ah Kow Ah Kow" will pass through all the hoops.

That stopped after reopening after Covid, and I started getting griefs. I presume DIBP decided to tighten up border control with Malaysians.

So the solution was to physically go to a KF counter, make an official change in KF membership name from Ah Kow: blank: Tan to GNU (given name unknown) Tan Ah Kow, . Then make sure my bookings are Tan Ah Kow, no given name.

Then everything is hunky dory.

Until someone decides to look at my IC, I suppose?

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Thankfully the Malaysian IC doesn't mean anything outside of Malaysia, so you should be fine
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post Apr 25 2024, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Apr 25 2024, 04:16 PM)
Our Malaysia passport is the culprit for many airline check in problems all over the world  laugh.gif
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Not just airlines system, I guarantee you laugh.gif I've spent countless hours in my career arguing with my global / European counterparts on the whole naming issue (or specifically the lack of proper FN/LN concepts in this part of the world).

Even until today I see people, friends included, keying in their "First Name" with Tan and "Last Name" as Ah Kaw just because it looked natural to them. Don't get me started with Malay & Indian names with genderized "title" in between, or Chinese with nicknames (John Tan Ah Kaw).

But yeah, coming back to passport/visa it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

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post Apr 25 2024, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Apr 25 2024, 07:02 PM)
Not just airlines system, I guarantee you laugh.gif I've spent countless hours in my career arguing with my global / European counterparts on the whole naming issue (or specifically the lack of proper FN/LN concepts in this part of the world).

Even until today I see people, friends included, keying in their "First Name" with Tan and "Last Name" as Ah Kaw just because it looked natural to them. Don't get me started with Malay & Indian names with genderized "title" in between, or Chinese with nicknames (John Tan Ah Kaw).

But yeah, coming back to passport/visa it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

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https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falseh...ve-about-names/

This should be mandatory reading for everyone.

Anyone who has ever dealt with people from around the world will bang their heads at every single country's naming systems

Japan: everyone's name is maximum 5 characters, like 喜多村英梨. What do you mean there's someone named アンワル・ビン・イブラヒム?

Malaysia: My name Tan Ah Beng. First name = Tan. Middle Name = Ah. Last name= Beng.
Here's Tan Ah Seng. First name = Tan Ah. Last name = Beng.
Meet Chow Yun Fatt. First name = Fatt. Middle Name = Yun. Last name = Chow

Australlia: What do you mean your surname is Loke? Your passport says "Anthony Loke Siew Fook", so it must me "Fook"

UK: Welcome "Dayang Rosnah Abang Madeli". Your name is now 'Dayang' in your email, your name card, and your logon

USA: Thanks for putting your life on the line in Afghanistan for us. Your name is now FNU
https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/why-f...ies-in-the-u-s/
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/local...-in-6881252.php
https://www.sacbee.com/news/investigations/...le85861507.html
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/its-...ban-taking-over

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post Apr 25 2024, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Apr 24 2024, 10:53 PM)
If you join look at one of the big Malaysians in Australia FB group, the one in mandarin, you'll see all kind of things there doh.gif then suddenly the clamp down on Malaysians does indeed make sense. Really memperxiasuikan sweat.gif
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/malaysianin...03839194095819/

See also: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=109216417
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 25 2024, 05:18 PM)
When UK and the EU starts their eVisa systems (coming soon), I expect the same issue to jam up Malaysians as well
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Already had issues when checking in on flights while I was in UK and Europe recently. laugh.gif
I've learnt to always go early for flight check ins because there's definitely gonna be a delay due to our names.

IC is another issue. My name has a hyphen in it and passport doesn't allow hyphens. This was an issue when I tried to convert my Malaysian driver license into NZ driver license. They said it's not the same person because driver license and passport name does not match sweat.gif
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post Apr 25 2024, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Apr 25 2024, 08:21 PM)
Already had issues when checking in on flights while I was in UK and Europe recently.  laugh.gif
I've learnt to always go early for flight check ins because there's definitely gonna be a delay due to our names.

IC is another issue. My name has a hyphen in it and passport doesn't allow hyphens. This was an issue when I tried to convert my Malaysian driver license into NZ driver license. They said it's not the same person because driver license and passport name does not match  sweat.gif
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Because of a hyphen!?!?

How daft can this be?!
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post Apr 25 2024, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ Apr 25 2024, 07:38 PM)
https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falseh...ve-about-names/

This should be mandatory reading for everyone.

Anyone who has ever dealt with people from around the world will bang their heads at every single country's naming systems

Japan: everyone's name is maximum 5 characters, like 喜多村英梨. What do you mean there's someone named アンワル・ビン・イブラヒム?

Malaysia: My name Tan Ah Beng. First name = Tan. Middle Name = Ah. Last name= Beng.
Here's Tan Ah Seng. First name = Tan Ah. Last name = Beng.
Meet Chow Yun Fatt. First name = Fatt. Middle Name = Yun. Last name = Chow

Australlia: What do you mean your surname is Loke? Your passport says "Anthony Loke Siew Fook", so it must me "Fook"

UK: Welcome "Dayang Rosnah Abang Madeli". Your name is now 'Dayang' in your email, your name card, and your logon

USA: Thanks for putting your life on the line in Afghanistan for us. Your name is now FNU
https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/why-f...ies-in-the-u-s/
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/local...-in-6881252.php
https://www.sacbee.com/news/investigations/...le85861507.html
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/its-...ban-taking-over

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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I legit had a good laugh at those examples. I also remember arguing with my European counterparts about special symbols / characters in names and they're so certain that "there's no way anyone's name has special symbols" (ie below)
CODE
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post Apr 26 2024, 06:35 AM

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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Apr 25 2024, 08:21 PM)
Already had issues when checking in on flights while I was in UK and Europe recently.  laugh.gif
I've learnt to always go early for flight check ins because there's definitely gonna be a delay due to our names.

IC is another issue. My name has a hyphen in it and passport doesn't allow hyphens. This was an issue when I tried to convert my Malaysian driver license into NZ driver license. They said it's not the same person because driver license and passport name does not match  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Apr 25 2024, 08:34 PM)
Because of a hyphen!?!?

How daft can this be?!
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Wait till your passport is in the format of Anthony Loke Siew Fook, your drivers licence is in the format of Anthony Siew Fook Loke, your Medicare card is in the format of Anthony S Loke, your bank card is in the format of Anthony Loke, and you need to do a police check (for non-migration related purposes)

QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Apr 25 2024, 09:22 PM)
I legit had a good laugh at those examples. I also remember arguing with my European counterparts about special symbols / characters in names and they're so certain that "there's no way anyone's name has special symbols" (ie below)
CODE
/'"-


laugh.gif
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It depends on the country

In Australia hyphens can't be used for names

So you can't name your kid Jean-Pierre Bréhie

But hyphenated surnames are okay. Hence you get Mike Cannon-Brookes

Those who have hyphenated names and migrate to Australia, have very interesting experiences
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post Apr 26 2024, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(haya @ Apr 26 2024, 06:35 AM)
Wait till your passport is in the format of Anthony Loke Siew Fook, your drivers licence is in the format of Anthony Siew Fook Loke, your Medicare card is in the format of Anthony S Loke, your bank card is in the format of Anthony Loke, and you need to do a police check (for non-migration related purposes)
It depends on the country

In Australia hyphens can't be used for names

So you can't name your kid Jean-Pierre Bréhie

But hyphenated surnames are okay. Hence you get Mike Cannon-Brookes

Those who have hyphenated names and migrate to Australia, have very interesting experiences
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It's already a bit of an issue when I had to verify my Medicare Provider Number one time to get new prescription pads printed. Couldn't do it online because of exactly the same issue you mentioned: passport & driver's licence discrepancy - although the way the names appear look the same, apparently the way the names were classified (ie first, middle, last names) were different.

Really smack my head moment.

Had to get the practice manager to help me sort it out manually. I told him to mass print my prescription pads so I won't have to bother him again, at least not for the next few years - so there's a whole carton of pads sitting in my garage storage at the moment.
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post Apr 26 2024, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Apr 25 2024, 11:32 AM)
Glitch on n the matrix haha. Hope you enjoyed your trip with your family! Did you fly SQ via Changi? And if so, did you make a detour to Les Amis hahaha?
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Yea, went in early, bring the folks to makan (not les Amis tongue.gif ) before fly
family all happy ok la

boss limeuu, been flying with sq, so far no issues with the last name 1st name thingy with them

but I had a fren who filled in wrong DOB on the ETA, SQ didn't allow that person to board/check in
but luckily someone there was very helpful, call up Aussie Embassy or consulate at another continent due to the time difference and managed to change it

if not whole family ticket all burned doh.gif
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Apr 25 2024, 08:34 PM)
Because of a hyphen!?!?

How daft can this be?!
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Ikr lol. Also because my brother and I both have a hyphen between our chinese name, banks letter all same initials and we don't know who it's for until we check the bank account lol.

E.g. Tan Ah-Kow and Tan Ah-Beng
Letters address to "A Tan" and "A Tan"

QUOTE(haya @ Apr 26 2024, 06:35 AM)
Wait till your passport is in the format of Anthony Loke Siew Fook, your drivers licence is in the format of Anthony Siew Fook Loke, your Medicare card is in the format of Anthony S Loke, your bank card is in the format of Anthony Loke, and you need to do a police check (for non-migration related purposes)
It depends on the country

In Australia hyphens can't be used for names

So you can't name your kid Jean-Pierre Bréhie

But hyphenated surnames are okay. Hence you get Mike Cannon-Brookes

Those who have hyphenated names and migrate to Australia, have very interesting experiences
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Lol OMG just reading that already gave me a headache xD

Lucky my name is Loke Siew Fook Anthony, so positioning of first/last name issues not so bad with all these official documents. However, for NZ driver license now, because our Malaysian passport doesn't have first/last name, our whole name is our last name lol. Looks damn weird on the driver license card. sweat.gif
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post Apr 26 2024, 11:43 AM

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My ETA just got rejected. Can I appeal this?
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post Apr 26 2024, 11:47 AM

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Best to change name format to Anthony SiewFook Loke. Join the middle and last name and put the surname/first name last. No confusion. JPN allows such a format. My grandkids registered this way cos parents travel extensively (job related) and find it such a hassle with immigrations and documentations.
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QUOTE(nauticat99 @ Apr 26 2024, 11:47 AM)
Best to change name format to Anthony SiewFook Loke. Join the middle and last name and put the surname/first name last. No confusion. JPN allows such a format. My grandkids registered this way cos parents travel extensively (job related) and find it such a hassle with immigrations and documentations.
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I think JPN just follows what’s on the birth certs.

My kids were all born overseas and their IC uses the First-Middle-Last name format.
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QUOTE(vk_flyingfox @ Apr 26 2024, 11:43 AM)
My ETA just got rejected. Can I appeal this?
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did it state rejected or they just ask u to furnish more info?
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post Apr 26 2024, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 26 2024, 12:01 PM)
did it state rejected or they just ask u to furnish more info?
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Below are the reason given. I already attached all the document including my payslip epf statement, income tax BE form, asset I own, bank statement. Yet I was rejected

I have considered the evidence submitted in support of the applicant’s circumstances,
financial capacity and commitments in their country of residence.
Following due consideration of this evidence, I am not satisfied the applicant’s personal
circumstances are such that they have sufficient incentive to return to their country of
residence at the end of any stay in Australia.
After considering all the information provided with the application, I am not satisfied the
applicant meets the requirements of clause 601.212(a) or 601.212(b).
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QUOTE(vk_flyingfox @ Apr 26 2024, 12:24 PM)
Below are the reason given. I already attached all the document including my payslip epf statement, income tax BE form, asset I own, bank statement. Yet I was rejected

I have considered the evidence submitted in support of the applicant’s circumstances,
financial capacity and commitments in their country of residence.
Following due consideration of this evidence, I am not satisfied the applicant’s personal
circumstances are such that they have sufficient incentive to return to their country of
residence at the end of any stay in Australia.
After considering all the information provided with the application, I am not satisfied the
applicant meets the requirements of clause 601.212(a) or 601.212(b).
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did you submit your employment letter, house mortgage or any loans etc? you have to submit as many docs as possible to avoid rejection

you can appeal, but not sure pay how much though

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