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 Is it the end for partition units?, Anyone heard more?

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jojolicia
post Aug 13 2023, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(hcstwb @ Aug 13 2023, 06:50 PM)
Tumpang your post of the fb link.

I shall just paste it again. Stop spinning about 'its ok for gypsum board ceiling but why not gypsum partition wall in this case bs'

In building code, fire escape route also mean smoke dispersion. Smoke stratification creating smoke plateau

Example in condo/ SA, facade windows or sliding doors at living room-balcony are blocked/ sealed off by a partition wall built across the hallway in the dwelling unit.

Making matter worst, the now converted living room into a private bedroom door is locked by its unauthorized occupant.

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Aug 13 2023, 07:52 PM
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post Aug 13 2023, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(TheFokerMist @ Aug 13 2023, 03:11 PM)
I stayed in a partitioned balcony room in Setapak as well. The room size was comfortable, and it had good ventilation. Importantly, the rent was affordable and it's close to the city center.

Btw my contract with the owner still has 2+ years left. In this case, should I start looking for an alternative or wait until the contract ends first?
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My friend' landlord asked her to switch to medium room next month but with an additional topup RM300 monthly ... ranting.gif
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post Aug 13 2023, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Aug 10 2023, 09:57 AM)
Partitioning will slow down evacuation during a fire.

All these fucking property gurus are mostly conmen. They are telling the people to break the laws because of gomen weak enforcement.

End of the day, who suffers? The owners and tenants.
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There have being a few fire outbreaks breakout at room rental units due to over capacity of the power supply.

It poses danger to the neighbor too.. I totally object to the coffin room concept due to the issue of density, privacy, security and fire hazard issue.
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post Aug 13 2023, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Aug 13 2023, 07:46 PM)
Tumpang your post of the fb link.

I shall just paste it again. Stop spinning about 'its ok for gypsum board ceiling but why not gypsum partition wall in this case bs'

In building code, fire escape route also mean smoke dispersion. Smoke stratification creating smoke plateau

Example in condo/ SA, facade windows or sliding doors at living room-balcony are blocked/ sealed off by a partition wall built across the hallway in the dwelling unit.

Making matter worst, the now converted living room into a private bedroom door is locked by its unauthorized occupant.
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Agree with you, should not simply add walls, would change the original fire safety layout.
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post Aug 13 2023, 09:31 PM

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post Aug 13 2023, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(7daysaway @ Aug 13 2023, 08:14 PM)
My friend' landlord asked her to switch to medium room next month but with an additional topup RM300 monthly ...  ranting.gif
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Bold move from the landlord, not afraid the tenant report about the partition unit?
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post Aug 14 2023, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(painkillerz @ Aug 13 2023, 10:27 PM)
Bold move from the landlord, not afraid the tenant report about the partition unit?
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I think the point in as the partition is being removed then she is being offered a regular room at a higher price.
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post Aug 15 2023, 12:26 AM

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Time to report ppl

Noisy partition overcrowding and wait I need report myself too

Shiat

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post Aug 15 2023, 04:32 AM

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Partition not only overcrowding but changing the structure of the building especially for high rise building
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post Aug 15 2023, 04:57 AM

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QUOTE(slaveone @ Aug 10 2023, 12:28 AM)
Under the Local Government Act 1976

"Overcrowding of houses
78. Any person who permits a house to be so overcrowded as to
be injurious or dangerous to the health of the inhabitants shall be
guilty of an offence and shall on conviction be liable to a fine not
exceeding two thousand ringgit or to a term of imprisonment not
exceeding six months or with both and to a further fine not
exceeding one hundred ringgit for each day during which the
offence is continued after conviction.
When house to be deemed “overcrowded”

79. For the purpose of this Act a house shall be deemed to be
so overcrowded as to be dangerous or prejudicial to the health of
the inhabitants thereof if it or any room therein is found to be
inhabited in excess of the proportion of one adult to every three
hundred and fifty cubic feet of clear internal space, and in such
calculation every person over ten years of age shall be deemed an
adult and two children not exceeding ten years of age shall be
counted as an adult."
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Yes, finally. Enforcement. How to report this type of houses/apartments?
I will spend my time seeing classifieds and sending info to authorities.
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post Aug 15 2023, 08:00 AM

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only banned in KL? selangor can?
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post Aug 15 2023, 08:47 AM

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Hacking wall also consider alteration to ori structure plan. So it is ban as well?
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post Aug 15 2023, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(Kopi5263 @ Aug 15 2023, 08:47 AM)
Hacking wall also consider alteration to ori structure plan. So it is ban as well?
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Where there were explicit hackable walls put in by developers then it isn’t as most likely it means you’re expanding a room rather than partitioning it. For anything else, it could be structural or having live wiring inside and you need to apply to management board with architect drawings. No point la unless you got some super prize of a unit. Don’t think this exists in Malaysia.
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post Aug 15 2023, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(Kopi5263 @ Aug 15 2023, 08:47 AM)
Hacking wall also consider alteration to ori structure plan. So it is ban as well?
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Hacking is subject to

1) whether you've obtained permit to change building/unit structure

2) the walls you hack doesn't affect structural integrity of building/unit

You go and cincai hack wall without permit, obviously can get into trouble. Same situation with illegally adding storey/extend balcony space/extend back kitchen etc.

Get your paperwork in order with local council 1st.

Adding partitions is disallowed by DBKL if it affects fire escape and/or it's used to sublet the unit out by rooms.

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Aug 15 2023, 08:56 AM)
Where there were explicit hackable walls put in by developers then it isn’t as most likely it means you’re expanding a room rather than partitioning it. For anything else, it could be structural or having live wiring inside and you need to apply to management board with architect drawings. No point la unless you got some super prize of a unit. Don’t think this exists in Malaysia.
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Certain Msian developers do actually put in hackable walls for high rise (quite a number of Exsim projects for example) but IIRC such amendments still need approval for the change in layout with JMB/local council because not all walls can be hacked and sometimes not obvious.
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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Aug 15 2023, 04:40 PM)
Certain Msian developers do actually put in hackable walls for high rise (quite a number of Exsim projects for example) but IIRC such amendments still need approval for the change in layout with JMB/local council because not all walls can be hacked and sometimes not obvious.
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From what I saw, the Nidoz building by Exsim had a lot of people combine 2 bedrooms into 1 as their new master - from 4 bedder to 3. The Quinn and many of Sunway’s new stuff has hackable walls. Usually it’s between bedrooms or to extend kitchen into yard.
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post Aug 16 2023, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 13 2023, 03:01 PM)
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fb...mibextid=Nif5oz

Please tell me how room rate will go up without house partitioned?

The extra income from the partitioned room goes to pocket of operators and greedy owners with blatant ignorance and total lack of respect to local regulations.
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different location will have different demand on the room pricing, a non partition unit in lavile, master room can go up to 1200-1300, small and medium room at average of 750-950... it depends on how well equip the FF unit is provided... nowadays room rental already gone past your knowledge/experience during your college era...
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post Aug 16 2023, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 16 2023, 11:20 AM)
different location will have different demand on the room pricing, a non partition unit in lavile, master room can go up to 1200-1300, small and medium room at average of 750-950... it depends on how well equip the FF unit is provided... nowadays room rental already gone past your knowledge/experience during your college era...
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Regulations means for blanket and equitable for all people. Owners cannot justify by going to cut and dice a property to make it more affordable to tenants. It will not be fair to the neighbours who are own stayers and buy a luxury condo and expect it to exclusive.
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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 16 2023, 11:44 AM)
Regulations means for blanket and equitable for all people. Owners cannot justify by going to cut and dice a property to make it more affordable to tenants. It will not be fair to the neighbours who are own stayers and buy a luxury condo and expect it to exclusive.
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yeap, partition is not right, but running co-living without partition unit is not anyway breaking any rules... the room rental market in general will increase in price due to this partition issue as room demand is increasing every year... modern white collars also majority renting room until they get marry and start a family....
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 16 2023, 11:49 AM)
yeap, partition is not right, but running co-living without partition unit is not anyway breaking any rules... the room rental market in general will increase in price due to this partition issue as room demand is increasing every year... modern white collars also majority renting room until they get marry and start a family....
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Fair statement sublet is not illegal.

But to be honest if partitioned is not legal, most owners that plan to do sublet will not do so because it is no longer profitable. They can try to increase room rate but trust me they will not able to do as tenants have so much accomodation options in KL.

To put it succinctly, owners bought property at worng price and wrong objective resorted to sublet and partitioned. This group of owners probably just 0.1% of total owners. So would it be fair to 99.9% of owners out there who buy a property with right objective.i.e. own stay?

Local authority (DBKL) has to put their foot on this otherwise this minority will think it is their birth right to break a law.

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