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Is it the end for partition units?, Anyone heard more?
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gks
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Aug 11 2023, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Aug 11 2023, 09:38 AM) Hope this ruling comes with enforcement. Penalty, Court order to seal the premise, make good before release back to owner. First line of enforcement is the owners and Management Office Please make a report or complain if you suspect any of your neighbours are doing partition. Follow it through till it get closed.
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gks
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Aug 11 2023, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Aug 11 2023, 01:22 PM) Expecting room rental rate to increase after this. RM1000 at M Vertica as per discuss here: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=107738411 It is definitely not true. Malaysia/KL has one of the most diverse choice of accomodation. From low, medium and high end. Btw rent by whole house say 3 bedrooms house is still cheaper partitioned 2+1 house. The only reason these landlords doing sublet and partitioned because conventional rental return is too low for them as they have purchased overpriced properties. They are not that mulia to do charity works.
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gks
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Aug 11 2023, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Aug 11 2023, 01:37 PM) I think sublet & whole unit rent is different business. And people doing sublet business most of the time is the one buying below market value actually especially auction player and bulk purchased group buyer who offered highest Rebate. Instead the convention buyer who buy for ownstay would rent whole unit. I think both different is because investor mind set. If partition is not allowed, just devide the maximum profit per-room into other room. (mostly refer to living hall room ÷ 3 or 2 (depend on the unit layout) and add into original room rental price). Singapore just apply the new house crowd control policy, and it affected the rental price. So it can be reference by Malaysia if plan to use the similar policy. Again this is definitely not true. Just look into any co living website. Their property is either location is not ideal or overpriced for the location Their solution is to partition and sublet to enhance the return otherwise the property as rental vehicle does not make sense.
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gks
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Aug 11 2023, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(Asali @ Aug 11 2023, 01:49 PM) If that really happen Renters will group together to rent a unit. I see rent a whole unit got more demands. Malaysia has so much options In fact with removal of this, I foreseen more supplies and hence rent for whole house especially those location populated by co-living will get cheaper. However, tenants maybe need to rent whole house and in same find own housemates
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gks
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Aug 12 2023, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE(Jimmy2022 @ Aug 12 2023, 07:36 AM) I thought there is only one reason that really needs to be considered: fire safety hazard, not the rental. Yup. Law, regulations and safety issue. Only owners and tenants with self interest keep twisting facts for their self interest. We yet to go to insurance protection and coverage....imagine if the building is on fire and insurer dismiss the claim as some units are illegally partitioned... Imagine how owners will react.
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gks
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Aug 12 2023, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(painkillerz @ Aug 12 2023, 08:17 PM) They take the risk to exploit grey area now they have to pay the price, it's a fair game. There is no free lunch. Again this is not grey area. This is a crystal clear local regulations. This regulation already there since donkey years ago.They chose to ignore it with knowledge enforcement is weak and nobody will make a fuss out of it. Now they claim they are victim and doing a noble service to provide affordable housing? Come on...can do better than this.....
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gks
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Aug 13 2023, 03:01 PM
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https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fb...mibextid=Nif5ozPlease tell me how room rate will go up without house partitioned? The extra income from the partitioned room goes to pocket of operators and greedy owners with blatant ignorance and total lack of respect to local regulations.
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gks
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Aug 16 2023, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 16 2023, 11:20 AM) different location will have different demand on the room pricing, a non partition unit in lavile, master room can go up to 1200-1300, small and medium room at average of 750-950... it depends on how well equip the FF unit is provided... nowadays room rental already gone past your knowledge/experience during your college era... Regulations means for blanket and equitable for all people. Owners cannot justify by going to cut and dice a property to make it more affordable to tenants. It will not be fair to the neighbours who are own stayers and buy a luxury condo and expect it to exclusive.
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gks
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Aug 16 2023, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 16 2023, 11:49 AM) yeap, partition is not right, but running co-living without partition unit is not anyway breaking any rules... the room rental market in general will increase in price due to this partition issue as room demand is increasing every year... modern white collars also majority renting room until they get marry and start a family.... Fair statement sublet is not illegal. But to be honest if partitioned is not legal, most owners that plan to do sublet will not do so because it is no longer profitable. They can try to increase room rate but trust me they will not able to do as tenants have so much accomodation options in KL. To put it succinctly, owners bought property at worng price and wrong objective resorted to sublet and partitioned. This group of owners probably just 0.1% of total owners. So would it be fair to 99.9% of owners out there who buy a property with right objective.i.e. own stay? Local authority (DBKL) has to put their foot on this otherwise this minority will think it is their birth right to break a law.
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gks
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Aug 16 2023, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 16 2023, 01:36 PM) like i said, good location not that much options... for example pinnacle sri petaling, the room demand ever growing, master and second master room itself give you 2k rental already, still have medium and small room to give u the additional bonus... same applies to aster now, room demand more than supply... the room rental there is asking for some luxurious pricing... like taruc setapak, only pv9 can command higher rental room price, the rest further away have to accept whatever they can pay Everyone has to follow law. So you are implying it is ok to break law so that cost can be reduced? Or matter of safety to be compromised? So it is ok for Malton to build 20k affordable units in Taman Rimba Kiara so that more people can live in prime TTDI? This post has been edited by gks: Aug 16 2023, 01:55 PM
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gks
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Aug 16 2023, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 16 2023, 01:56 PM) well is it really breaking the law bro? or its your morality code? differentiate this two thing yo... lol... government approved those project constructions, so what law has been broke?  like the PV Mira case, law has been broke, hence the project cannot goes on, that is breaking the law... i think you are the one confuse.. for both,,, law is broken..... but i get it. those who affected will always try to twist facts. This post has been edited by gks: Aug 16 2023, 02:41 PM
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gks
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Aug 16 2023, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 16 2023, 03:06 PM) lol bro, if the government already approved a project and gave a go ahead on the construction, what law has been broken? i dont understand the confusion in this... gov approved = compliance to law and regulation until proven otherwise no? dont talk to me about those corruption or hanky panky things in behind of those deals, those info/actions are not what we normal citizen can control nor can easily get the accurate info... Court has ruled it is illegal approval unless you and i are living in different dimension.
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gks
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Aug 16 2023, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(1ullaby @ Aug 16 2023, 03:44 PM) The only time Malaysia will be serious about anything, is when things get unbearable. Probably deaths needed to happen, its depressing but its true. Drunking driving + numerous deaths + public uproar baru came serious penalties and enforcements Enforcement is a separate issue. However as owner you nee to know your legal right. So if you are owner and your neighbour is doing partitioned, you have right to complain and escalate and make sure Management take action on it. If you do not take action and follow it through, do not expect other ppl to do it. Not management not COB not dbkl.
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gks
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Aug 16 2023, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 16 2023, 03:48 PM) yea bro, what i mean is to the RC residence post you quoted to in your original post, im not saying the pv mira or your ttdi shits... lol You must be living in another dimension or living in denial as Dbkl has issue circulation illegal erected partition for bedrooms is not legal.
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gks
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Aug 16 2023, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(1ullaby @ Aug 16 2023, 03:54 PM) If you think this will work, sorry, too idealistic. Most of the partitioned units happen at investors infested areas. I'm all for the ruling, its better than nothing, but to add, you and me and everyone else can guess the ending. This aint SG  Whether or not it is idealistic (or defeatist mentality), it is up to liberty of each owner. What we discuss here is there is a law and if you are not satisfy with your neighbours, you have full right to bring up to management, cob, dbkl. Do not rely on them to enforce it.
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gks
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Aug 17 2023, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Aug 17 2023, 11:13 AM) Of course la, they want to maintain that "atas" image of renting out cheap units in prime location with 4 star facilities. Their schtick looks down on RumaWIP/PPR owners while at the same time encouraging RumaWIP eligible people to buy for investment to rent, instead of buying for genuine own stay or for traditional rent by room/house method. They cannot sell/get fat commission from rumahwip/ppr. Most if not all of these gurus are pitching sublet with partitioned to enhance the yield with renovation and property management support to attract purchasers to purchase properties. if conventional rental, no way the yield and cashflow of these properties will make sense. Usually are unsold high end apartments that perhaps cannot attract own stayers. This post has been edited by gks: Aug 17 2023, 02:06 PM
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gks
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Sep 10 2023, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Sep 10 2023, 09:58 AM) https://property.enanyang.my/%e8%b6%8b%e5%8...g24_aM3fapSpYpIFor those know how to read Chinese news. It's just discussion from the sublet business expert.  No1. Look hmmmm No. 2 look hailat If you are dbkl, would you allow no. 1? Or your policy is actually ban no. 2 but no. 1 is OK? All of these are just twist and turn by vested sublet business. There is law, and it is as simply as that. If you want to do sublet business, go buy land, develop hostel and get DO, planning permission. The problem for them they also know they will make so much lesser return Vs just lease it from ignorance landlords that breaking the law.
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