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 Is it the end for partition units?, Anyone heard more?

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TSCavatzu
post Aug 9 2023, 11:38 PM, updated 2y ago

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Noticed a comment on iherng’s most recent video “Is there future for Malaysian real estate?” which is interesting but once again very one sided in what he supports.

But in the comments, a user shared that DBKL was going around spot checking units for partitions. So is this now an illegal thing? In this country, the laws only come up once they’ve decided that something is wrong/contrary to their interests.

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post Aug 9 2023, 11:42 PM

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A matter of time.
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post Aug 9 2023, 11:52 PM

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It's a matter of time especially since it competes with hotels and also it runs contrary to the Madani government's aim of a more equitable housing market. Also, potentially, taxes are being evaded by these owners who don't declare their income properly. tongue.gif
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post Aug 9 2023, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Aug 9 2023, 11:42 PM)
A matter of time.
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Well a matter of time is when? Considering the sheer amount of people who spent like 50k on partitioning renovations in the last 2 years. So more Lelong?

I called this out a while ago but didn’t expect it to be resolved so soon.

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post Aug 10 2023, 12:28 AM

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Under the Local Government Act 1976

"Overcrowding of houses
78. Any person who permits a house to be so overcrowded as to
be injurious or dangerous to the health of the inhabitants shall be
guilty of an offence and shall on conviction be liable to a fine not
exceeding two thousand ringgit or to a term of imprisonment not
exceeding six months or with both and to a further fine not
exceeding one hundred ringgit for each day during which the
offence is continued after conviction.


When house to be deemed “overcrowded”

79. For the purpose of this Act a house shall be deemed to be
so overcrowded as to be dangerous or prejudicial to the health of
the inhabitants thereof if it or any room therein is found to be
inhabited in excess of the proportion of one adult to every three
hundred and fifty cubic feet of clear internal space, and in such
calculation every person over ten years of age shall be deemed an
adult and two children not exceeding ten years of age shall be
counted as an adult."
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post Aug 10 2023, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Aug 9 2023, 11:55 PM)
Well a matter of time is when? Considering the sheer amount of people who spent like 50k on partitioning renovations in the last 2 years. So more Lelong?

I called this out a while ago but didn’t expect it to be resolved so soon.
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Those ppl knew that its illegal rite? But still insist to do it. That's the risk they have to take it tho. If the raiding news is true, then only thing they can do is to embrace it...
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post Aug 10 2023, 06:28 AM

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QUOTE(Alvin1233 @ Aug 10 2023, 12:42 AM)
Those ppl knew that its illegal rite? But still insist to do it. That's the risk they have to take it tho. If the raiding news is true, then only thing they can do is to embrace it...
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Well this “strategy” was normalised by gurus who touted it as being the solution to make your “investment” profitable. There’s YouTube videos out there showing how many rooms you can squeeze out of your unit.
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post Aug 10 2023, 07:24 AM

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To many partition rooms dy. To raid and dismantle it is very difficult.


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post Aug 10 2023, 07:40 AM

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QUOTE(Alvin1233 @ Aug 10 2023, 12:42 AM)
Those ppl knew that its illegal rite? But still insist to do it. That's the risk they have to take it tho. If the raiding news is true, then only thing they can do is to embrace it...
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any laws saying partition is illegal? cant find it
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post Aug 10 2023, 07:58 AM

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QUOTE(rumahwip @ Aug 10 2023, 07:40 AM)
any laws saying partition is illegal? cant find it
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There is the “overcrowding” law quoted above. If your neighbours don’t like what you are doing and mengadu then be prepared to face the consequences. Probably more an issue in the mid range units where there’s quite a lot of own stay so know your market.

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post Aug 10 2023, 09:38 AM

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alot of bumi interest in this issue too thanks to 'you shall not be name' guru... need to see how the government manage to handle this carefully... lol... but i think enforcement will on a complaint basis, operators who go on and add more than 1 partition room in a condo unit will most probably higher risk of getting complaint...
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end of FXX CXXXXXX?
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 10 2023, 09:38 AM)
alot of bumi interest in this issue too thanks to 'you shall not be name' guru... need to see how the government manage to handle this carefully... lol... but i think enforcement will on a complaint basis, operators who go on and add more than 1 partition room in a condo unit will most probably higher risk of getting complaint...
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Hai for people who are more concerned about the hereafter, they sure are capitalistic. Be nice to your Karen’s, I know for one if I see it I will make noise unless I’m suitably buttered up with bottles of wine.
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post Aug 10 2023, 09:57 AM

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Partitioning will slow down evacuation during a fire.

All these fucking property gurus are mostly conmen. They are telling the people to break the laws because of gomen weak enforcement.

End of the day, who suffers? The owners and tenants.

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post Aug 10 2023, 10:05 AM

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I'm surprised this wasn't implemented earlier. Partitioning should be illegal and overcrowding must be reported and enforced strictly. With all the land and supply ard, we can't be turning into another Hong Kong. There are better ways to invest than on properties. As it stands currently, any cash-strapped Tom dick and Harry can call themselves a property investor by getting "free" units from developers and then resorting to these tactics to earn money from investment they can't afford to begin with.
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QUOTE(slaveone @ Aug 10 2023, 12:28 AM)
Under the Local Government Act 1976

"Overcrowding of houses
78. Any person who permits a house to be so overcrowded as to
be injurious or dangerous to the health of the inhabitants shall be
guilty of an offence and shall on conviction be liable to a fine not
exceeding two thousand ringgit or to a term of imprisonment not
exceeding six months or with both and to a further fine not
exceeding one hundred ringgit for each day during which the
offence is continued after conviction.
When house to be deemed “overcrowded”

79. For the purpose of this Act a house shall be deemed to be
so overcrowded as to be dangerous or prejudicial to the health of
the inhabitants thereof if it or any room therein is found to be
inhabited in excess of the proportion of one adult to every three
hundred and fifty cubic feet of clear internal space, and in such
calculation every person over ten years of age shall be deemed an
adult and two children not exceeding ten years of age shall be
counted as an adult."
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This. It has always been illegal to overcrowd any unit with partitions. Also potential fire hazard and death trap.
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post Aug 10 2023, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Aug 10 2023, 09:57 AM)
Partitioning will slow down evacuation during a fire.

All these fucking property gurus are mostly conmen. They are telling the people to break the laws because of gomen weak enforcement.

End of the day, who suffers? The owners and tenants.
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if no tenant renting those partition room.. no demand then you think ppl will waste money to do it ma? there are always both side to every matter...
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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Aug 10 2023, 09:55 AM)
Hai for people who are more concerned about the hereafter, they sure are capitalistic. Be nice to your Karen’s, I know for one if I see it I will make noise unless I’m suitably buttered up with bottles of wine.
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well its true that every legal enforcement in Malaysia, you have take care of the welfare of all the parties, as your votes dependent on that... lol... just like the baby seat legal enforcement issue, now the police also dont give a damn... hahahaha
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post Aug 10 2023, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 10 2023, 10:49 AM)
if no tenant renting those partition room.. no demand then you think ppl will waste money to do it ma? there are always both side to every matter...
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There will be always people looking to rent cheap rooms in the city and owners and gurus took advantage of the situation by breaking the laws. Now the laws are coming to bite them in the ass. So, do u think the gurus will take responsibility? Of course not otherwise how do they cari makan?
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QUOTE(acbc @ Aug 10 2023, 10:53 AM)
There will be always people looking to rent cheap rooms in the city and owners and gurus took advantage of the situation by breaking the laws. Now the laws are coming to bite them in the ass. So, do u think the gurus will take responsibility? Of course not otherwise how do they cari makan?
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well to be fair, its the owners' own choice.. you have to be responsible on your own choice on your own asset.. guru guide you, you can choose not to listen... there is no gun pointing to your head to do it hahahaha

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