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 Is it the end for partition units?, Anyone heard more?

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aaron1717
post Aug 16 2023, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 16 2023, 12:07 PM)
Fair statement sublet is not illegal.

But to be honest if partitioned is not legal, most owners that plan to do sublet will not do so because it is no longer profitable. They can try to increase room rate but trust me they will not able to do as tenants have so much accomodation options in KL.

To put it succinctly, owners bought property at worng price and wrong objective resorted to sublet and partitioned. This group of owners probably just 0.1% of total owners. So would it be fair to 99.9% of owners out there who buy a property with right objective.i.e. own stay?

Local authority (DBKL) has to put their foot on this otherwise this minority will think it is their birth right to break a law.
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like i said, good location not that much options... for example pinnacle sri petaling, the room demand ever growing, master and second master room itself give you 2k rental already, still have medium and small room to give u the additional bonus... same applies to aster now, room demand more than supply... the room rental there is asking for some luxurious pricing... like taruc setapak, only pv9 can command higher rental room price, the rest further away have to accept whatever they can pay
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post Aug 16 2023, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 16 2023, 01:36 PM)
like i said, good location not that much options... for example pinnacle sri petaling, the room demand ever growing, master and second master room itself give you 2k rental already, still have medium and small room to give u the additional bonus... same applies to aster now, room demand more than supply... the room rental there is asking for some luxurious pricing... like taruc setapak, only pv9 can command higher rental room price, the rest further away have to accept whatever they can pay
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Everyone has to follow law.

So you are implying it is ok to break law so that cost can be reduced? Or matter of safety to be compromised?

So it is ok for Malton to build 20k affordable units in Taman Rimba Kiara so that more people can live in prime TTDI?

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post Aug 16 2023, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 16 2023, 01:54 PM)
Everyone has to follow law.

So you are implying it is ok to break law so that cost can be reduced? Or matter of safety to be compromised?

So it is ok for Malton to build 20k affordable units in Taman Rimba Kiara so that more people can live in prime TTDI?
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well is it really breaking the law bro? or its your morality code? differentiate this two thing yo... lol... government approved those project constructions, so what law has been broke? hmm.gif hmm.gif like the PV Mira case, law has been broke, hence the project cannot goes on, that is breaking the law...
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post Aug 16 2023, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 16 2023, 01:56 PM)
well is it really breaking the law bro? or its your morality code? differentiate this two thing yo... lol... government approved those project constructions, so what law has been broke?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif like the PV Mira case, law has been broke, hence the project cannot goes on, that is breaking the law...
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i think you are the one confuse.. for both,,, law is broken..... but i get it. those who affected will always try to twist facts.

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post Aug 16 2023, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 16 2023, 02:40 PM)
i think you are the one confuse.. for both,,, law is broken..... but i get it. those who affected will always try to twist facts.
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lol bro, if the government already approved a project and gave a go ahead on the construction, what law has been broken? i dont understand the confusion in this... gov approved = compliance to law and regulation until proven otherwise no?

dont talk to me about those corruption or hanky panky things in behind of those deals, those info/actions are not what we normal citizen can control nor can easily get the accurate info...
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post Aug 16 2023, 03:25 PM

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The co-living companies will still thrive as they provide a level of convenience for someone who needs a place asap. Room price going up 2-300 won’t break the bank la. Even then I doubt they can go up that much.

This is actually good news for overhang units in less convenient locations as the affordability dial is pushed back in their favour. Before, people don’t mind cramming as long as it was convenient. So now there’s more reason for tenants to consider the not so cantik/convenient units.
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post Aug 16 2023, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Aug 16 2023, 03:25 PM)
The co-living companies will still thrive as they provide a level of convenience for someone who needs a place asap. Room price going up 2-300 won’t break the bank la. Even then I doubt they can go up that much.

This is actually good news for overhang units in less convenient locations as the affordability dial is pushed back in their favour. Before, people don’t mind cramming as long as it was convenient. So now there’s more reason for tenants to consider the not so cantik/convenient units.
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Yup. But laws like that that are are not due to public sentiments, dont last. It will get enforced lesser and lesser overtime.
Rmb restaurants smoking ban, rear seat belts rule, or closer to topic, pri1ma units not supposedly for rent. Well reality on ground is , you know i know la
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 16 2023, 03:06 PM)
lol bro, if the government already approved a project and gave a go ahead on the construction, what law has been broken? i dont understand the confusion in this... gov approved = compliance to law and regulation until proven otherwise no?

dont talk to me about those corruption or hanky panky things in behind of those deals, those info/actions are not what we normal citizen can control nor can easily get the accurate info...
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Court has ruled it is illegal approval unless you and i are living in different dimension.


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The only time Malaysia will be serious about anything, is when things get unbearable. Probably deaths needed to happen, its depressing but its true. Drunking driving + numerous deaths + public uproar baru came serious penalties and enforcements
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post Aug 16 2023, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(1ullaby @ Aug 16 2023, 03:44 PM)
The only time Malaysia will be serious about anything, is when things get unbearable. Probably deaths needed to happen, its depressing but its true. Drunking driving + numerous deaths + public uproar baru came serious penalties and enforcements
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Enforcement is a separate issue.

However as owner you nee to know your legal right.

So if you are owner and your neighbour is doing partitioned, you have right to complain and escalate and make sure Management take action on it. If you do not take action and follow it through, do not expect other ppl to do it. Not management not COB not dbkl.
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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 16 2023, 03:41 PM)
Court has ruled it is illegal approval unless you and i are living in different dimension.
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yea bro, what i mean is to the RC residence post you quoted to in your original post, im not saying the pv mira or your ttdi shits... lol
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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 16 2023, 03:48 PM)
Enforcement is a separate issue.

However as owner you nee to know your legal right.

So if you are owner and your neighbour is doing partitioned, you have right to complain and escalate and make sure Management take action on it. If you do not take action and follow it through, do not expect other ppl to do it. Not management not COB not dbkl.
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If you think this will work, sorry, too idealistic. Most of the partitioned units happen at investors infested areas. I'm all for the ruling, its better than nothing, but to add, you and me and everyone else can guess the ending. This aint SG innocent.gif
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post Aug 16 2023, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 16 2023, 03:48 PM)
yea bro, what i mean is to the RC residence post you quoted to in your original post, im not saying the pv mira or your ttdi shits... lol
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You must be living in another dimension or living in denial as Dbkl has issue circulation illegal erected partition for bedrooms is not legal.
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post Aug 16 2023, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(1ullaby @ Aug 16 2023, 03:54 PM)
If you think this will work, sorry, too idealistic. Most of the partitioned units happen at investors infested areas. I'm all for the ruling, its better than nothing, but to add, you and me and everyone else can guess the ending. This aint SG  innocent.gif
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Whether or not it is idealistic (or defeatist mentality), it is up to liberty of each owner. What we discuss here is there is a law and if you are not satisfy with your neighbours, you have full right to bring up to management, cob, dbkl. Do not rely on them to enforce it.
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Don't worry, next time whenever owner tries to increase rental, tenants could say "I help you, you help me" by reminding owner isn't it going to be trouble if someone report about partitioning in the rented unit so better don't increase rental biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Aug 11 2023, 09:38 AM)
Hope this ruling comes with enforcement. Penalty, Court order to seal the premise, make good before release back to owner.
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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 16 2023, 04:00 PM)
Whether or not it is idealistic (or defeatist mentality), it is up to liberty of each owner. What we discuss here is there is a law and if you are not satisfy with your neighbours, you have full right to bring up to management, cob, dbkl. Do not rely on them to enforce it.
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Perhaps, if something good come out of it, good then.

The endless highrise supply is partly due to partition units artificially supporting the yields so cut the yields, cut the demand and for lords sake give the market a rest.
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QUOTE(1ullaby @ Aug 16 2023, 03:39 PM)
Yup. But laws like that that are are not due to public sentiments, dont last. It will get enforced lesser and lesser overtime.
Rmb restaurants smoking ban, rear seat belts rule, or closer to topic, pri1ma units not supposedly for rent. Well reality on ground is , you know i know la
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Of course there’s always going to be people flouting the rules but the point of such a strong statement to denounce the act is that people will stop posting proudly on social media. Co-living companies and property gurus won’t advertise openly and of course JMB will have to respond if neighbours complain that this is going on.

The fact that they have to sneak around to do it is the point and they can’t do it openly. Quite sad we can’t self regulate and need harsh punishment to learn any sort of lesson. Sounds like we need a PAP or CCP to really get anyone to follow any sort of rules.

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so hot debate, any summary?

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