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 Singapore PR Application on May 2023, Already 12 months

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hksgmy
post May 15 2024, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(malz89 @ May 15 2024, 08:39 PM)
You're right on the renting. But how many of those were actually PR? I doubt 10% of them are. Most wouldn't travel in and out nowadays, but yes back then. You have to see, how many riding malaysian motor vs Singapore motor in the morning. You should have your answer there. For those who drive, how many of them actually stay in malaysia? Do they have a relative where they can actually register themselves there? There are loopholes for sure, but just be aware of such things. Once they revoke your PR, you may not get to work in Singapore too. I feel that Singapore is too strict, law by law, unlike malaysia.

Those being sent out to work, they will review case by case and usually a year extension. I think @hksgmy feels the same, when he retires somewhere else in the future.

Anyway, just wait ba. Once you get, you will only face it 5 years later. Maybe by then u decide to stay inside sg
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I do feel it and that’s why I’m thinking hard on my next step to ensure that I have the right to return to Singapore in the future.
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post May 15 2024, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ May 15 2024, 09:35 PM)
I do feel it and that’s why I’m thinking hard on my next step to ensure that I have the right to return to Singapore in the future.
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Just convert. Don't need think so much. tongue.gif Be same as wife.

Today also Lawrence Wong Day 1 as PM. Singapore General election is due to be held no later than 23 November 2025. You never know what new measures are put in when folks everyday complain about foreign talent matter.
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QUOTE(gnc88 @ May 15 2024, 09:51 PM)
Just convert. Don't need think so much.  tongue.gif  Be same as wife.

Today also Lawrence Wong Day 1 as PM. Singapore General election is due to be held no later than 23 November 2025. You never know what new measures are put in when folks everyday complain about foreign talent matter.
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https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/singapore/...recast-kept-1-3


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Singapore’s 2023 GDP growth revised down marginally to 1.1%; 2024 forecast kept at 1 to 3%

Published Thu, Feb 15, 2024


I feel that there is a high chance of an general election this year, possibly in October or November.

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Singapore’s next General Election likely to be held in late 2024 at the earliest, analysts say
This comes after Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong revealed he will hand the reins to Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong before the next General Election, and by November 2024 “if all goes well”.



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Ms Ngiow said given the string of controversies that the PAP has had to deal with in recent months, the ruling party has an “increasingly difficult job of persuading the general populace to keep voting for them”.

This also comes against the backdrop of rising costs of living and the next scheduled increase of the Goods and Services Tax.

“It is critical for the party to show why and how Singapore continues to remain a good place to live as well as invest under its leadership,” said Ms Ngiow.


Geopolitical uncertainties continue to weigh on the global economy, such as Russia vs. Ukraine and Israel vs. Palestine, can indeed impact trading and other Asian country economy.

The economy in Singapore hasn't been very good this year, nor was it last year.

So, I'm worried that next year won't be any better than this year.

Perhaps it's better to hold elections at 2024 first.


https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/s...nsition-3898556

All this is just my personal guess lah.

This post has been edited by plouffle0789: May 16 2024, 12:29 AM
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post May 17 2024, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(gnc88 @ May 15 2024, 09:51 PM)
Just convert. Don't need think so much.  tongue.gif  Be same as wife.

Today also Lawrence Wong Day 1 as PM. Singapore General election is due to be held no later than 23 November 2025. You never know what new measures are put in when folks everyday complain about foreign talent matter.
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Data Source: Singapore Department of Statistics
The reason Singapore does not disclose the breakdown of PR population by nationality is due to sensitivity concerns.

However, the Minister also stated that many of Singapore's PRs come from neighboring countries due to historical factors.


According to netizens' analysis, the neighboring country mentioned is undoubtedly Malaysia.


Although the Minister did not reveal the countries from which

Singapore's approved PRs come, he disclosed that about 60% of the approved PRs in 2019 and 2020 came from Southeast Asian countries, about 34% came from other Asian countries,




So, 60% of 30,000 is 18,000.

Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia,Brunei, Philipines, Vietnam,Myanmar


7 countries shares this 18,000 PR successful approval.




No. Asean 11 Country
1 Indonesia
2 Thailand
3 Malaysia
4 Brunei
5 Vietnam
6 Philippines
7 Cambodia
8 Myanmar
9 Laos
10 Singapore
11) Timor-Leste (total population is around 1.34 million only)


**************and the remaining 6% came from other countries.**************************

So, 6% of 30,000 is 1,800....
So less....

Not much ang moh apply?


It is believed that the majority of the 60% from Southeast Asian countries are from Malaysia, and the percentage from China among the 34% from other Asian countries is definitely not small.


No. 20 strong economies in Asia, excluding Southeast Asian countries ( Southeast Asian countries means = Asean Countries)
1 China
2 Republic of China,Taiwan
3 Hong Kong SAR,China
4 Macau SAR,China
5 Japan
6 South Korea
7 India
8 Saudi Arabia
9 United Arab Emirates (UAE)
10 Qatar


11 Pakistan
12 Israel
13 Bangladesh
14 Turkey
15 Iran
16 Sri Lanka
17 Mongolia
18 Azerbaijan
19 Uzbekistan
20 Turkmenistan



Singapore's PR Numbers Over the Years


Have remained at around 500,000
The Minister stated that Singapore's immigration policy has been carefully adjusted, and over the years, the PR population has been kept stable at around 500,000.


Luckily we are malaysian...

Still got 60 percent chance...

This post has been edited by plouffle0789: May 17 2024, 10:31 PM
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post May 17 2024, 11:50 PM

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Data Source: Singapore Department of Statistics
The reason Singapore does not disclose the breakdown of PR population by nationality is due to sensitivity concerns.

However, the Minister also stated that many of Singapore's PRs come from neighboring countries due to historical factors.
According to netizens' analysis, the neighboring country mentioned is undoubtedly Malaysia.
Although the Minister did not reveal the countries from which

Singapore's approved PRs come, he disclosed that about 60% of the approved PRs in 2019 and 2020 came from Southeast Asian countries, about 34% came from other Asian countries,
So, 60% of 30,000 is 18,000.

Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia,Brunei, Philipines, Vietnam,Myanmar
7 countries shares this 18,000 PR successful approval.
No. Asean 11 Country          
1   Indonesia        
2   Thailand         
3   Malaysia         
4   Brunei           
5   Vietnam          
6   Philippines         
7   Cambodia          
8         Myanmar       
9       Laos   
10  Singapore        
11) Timor-Leste (total population is around 1.34 million only)
**************and the remaining 6% came from other countries.**************************

So, 6% of 30,000 is 1,800....
So less....

Not much ang moh apply?
It is believed that the majority of the 60% from Southeast Asian countries are from Malaysia, and the percentage from China among the 34% from other Asian countries is definitely not small.
No. 20 strong economies in Asia, excluding Southeast Asian countries ( Southeast Asian countries means = Asean Countries)                     
1   China        
2      Republic of China,Taiwan   
3       Hong Kong SAR,China 
4   Macau SAR,China  
5       Japan       
6   South Korea 
7           India        
8   Saudi Arabia                
9   United Arab Emirates (UAE)  
10  Qatar     
11       Pakistan                  
12    Israel                 
13    Bangladesh                       
14        Turkey               
15         Iran            
16  Sri Lanka       
17  Mongolia                    
18  Azerbaijan                  
19  Uzbekistan           
20  Turkmenistan                
Singapore's PR Numbers Over the Years
Have remained at around 500,000
The Minister stated that Singapore's immigration policy has been carefully adjusted, and over the years, the PR population has been kept stable at around 500,000.
Luckily we are malaysian...

Still got 60 percent chance...
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Probability is not counted that way la .. haha ..

You have to account on the number applicants .. let's assume 300k per year, about 20% malaysian? That is about 60k >> assuming 15k of us will be granted. The chance is about 25%, which is the best case scenario because I excluded other SEA countries. If you were to assume about 5k for malaysian. That's about 8%.

This post has been edited by malz89: May 17 2024, 11:52 PM
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post May 18 2024, 07:35 AM

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Just be patient la plouffle… no news (yet) doesn’t mean it’s bad news.
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post May 18 2024, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ May 18 2024, 07:35 AM)
Just be patient la plouffle… no news (yet) doesn’t mean it’s bad news.
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I need to renew my S Pass in September 2024.

Two years have passed so quickly.


I am worried that my company will downgrade me to a Work Permit.



Normally, before my pass expires in two months, I need to do a medical check-up.

So in July 2024, I need to go to the clinic for a medical check-up.

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post May 18 2024, 08:49 AM

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I need to renew my S Pass in September 2024.

Two years have passed so quickly.
I am worried that my company will downgrade me to a Work Permit.
Normally, before my pass expires in two months, I need to do a medical check-up.

So in July 2024, I need to go to the clinic for a medical check-up.
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Why will you be downgraded?
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post May 18 2024, 08:50 AM

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Since you are happy to travel from JB to SG everyday and back for work, it really should make any difference whether you’re a PR or not?
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post May 18 2024, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ May 18 2024, 08:50 AM)
Since you are happy to travel from JB to SG everyday and back for work, it really should make any difference whether you’re a PR or not?
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Having permanent residency (PR) can make your job more secure. Many companies, especially in the manufacturing and maintenance sectors, prefer to hire employees with PR.

They will always told you they have no quota for S Pass and EP.

PR status also helps ensure that your future salary is not squeezed when you move to a new company. Some companies consider your Work Permit/S Pass/Employmeny Pass status and previous salaries when determining your new salary.


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Why will you be downgraded?
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https://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/s...ass-eligibility


I can only say that



For example, some Malaysians' or anyone salaries do not exactly match the salary set by MOM 100%.

They might be less by a few percent, but they can still be approved by MOM to get an S Pass.


In 2021, the salary set by MOM to get an S Pass was a minimum of 2500.

2022 they increased to 3000.......


2021
An S Pass is intended for staff of mid-level skill sets to work in Singapore. The employee needs to earn at least $2,500 per month and have relevant qualifications and experience.




At that time, some Malaysians were earning basic salaries exceeding SGD 2500.



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At 2024, NOT many people were earning basic salaries exceeding SGD 3150.
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As of September 1, 2024, the minimum salary set by MOM is SGD 3,150.




However, some companies' salary increments are very low, just less than 5%. In the past 2 years, their salary has not increased by 150 SGD, maybe just 80 SGD

SGD 3080.


******So now, they do not match the new salary set by MOM.*****


I know someone said that many people's basic salary exceeds SGD 3000 monthly. However, in reality, there are many people whose basic salary ranges from SGD 1200 to SGD 3000.

Singapore does not have a minimum salary scheme.

You sure know what I mean right?

I worried my company make excuses to me.....

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post May 18 2024, 09:13 AM

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I see. Well, good luck again and keep us updated of the good news when it comes.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 18 2024, 08:56 AM)
Having permanent residency (PR) can make your job more secure. Many companies, especially in the manufacturing and maintenance sectors, prefer to hire employees with PR.

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Whole-heartedly agree on this. We outsourced our IFM and every few years, ops run tenders to select new provider. So some good folks that were with us for many years, didn't move from old firm to new firm due to pass issues.

Of course we, as client, made noise but otherwise, there's not much we can do. So I do agree, the firms management do come up with lots of excuses. But end of the day, we were committed that maintenance performance is upheld. So... dry.gif

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post May 18 2024, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(gnc88 @ May 18 2024, 09:19 AM)
Whole-heartedly agree on this. We outsourced our IFM and every few years, ops run tenders to select new provider. So some good folks that were with us for many years, didn't move from old firm to new firm due to pass issues.

Of course we, as client, made noise but otherwise, there's not much we can do. So I do agree, the firms management do come up with lots of excuses. But end of the day, we were committed that maintenance performance is upheld. So...  dry.gif
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Some good employees who had been with them for many years couldn't switch to the new company due to the sg work pass issues.



They never applied for Singapore Permanent Residency after obtaining an S Pass?



Actually, Malaysians need to compete with Indian citizens, People's Republic of China (PRC) citizens, Myanmar citizens, and Filipino citizens in the maintenance sector.

These 4 countries citizens need an S Pass to become technician.



Malaysians only need a work permit to become technicians.

I know some small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) in sg that hire Malaysians with only a secondary school education or ITE graduates , but their technical skills are extremely strong (15 years plus).

However, they only receive a work permit but work as an engineer.

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post May 18 2024, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 18 2024, 09:29 AM)
Some good employees who had been with them for many years couldn't switch to the new company due to the sg work pass issues.
They never applied for Singapore Permanent Residency after obtaining an S Pass?
Actually, Malaysians need to compete with Indian citizens, People's Republic of China (PRC) citizens, Myanmar citizens, and Filipino citizens in the maintenance sector.

These 4 countries citizens need an S Pass to become technician.
Malaysians only need a work permit to become technicians.

I know some small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) in sg that hire Malaysians with only a secondary school education or ITE graduates , but their technical skills are extremely strong (15 years plus).

However, they only receive a work permit but work as an engineer.
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S-Pass/EP comes with age, that's the unfortunate truth. Although you have gained the experience over the years, you age too. So you will need promotion, but not increment. If a person who works 15 years but has never been promoted, likely to be placed under WP. Working for SME, they will squeeze you like crazy. Likewise, for PR application.

Since your S-Pass is only for 2 years, there's a lower likelihood of acceptance. So you may have to renew your pass once to increase your chances. So hopefully you get to renew by then. All the best.
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QUOTE(malz89 @ May 18 2024, 10:37 AM)
S-Pass/EP comes with age, that's the unfortunate truth. Although you have gained the experience over the years, you age too. So you will need promotion, but not increment. If a person who works 15 years but has never been promoted, likely to be placed under WP. Working for SME, they will squeeze you like crazy. Likewise, for PR application.

Since your S-Pass is only for 2 years, there's a lower likelihood of acceptance. So you may have to renew your pass once to increase your chances. So hopefully you get to renew by then. All the best.
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When I apply PR, my S pass still left 1 and half years.....

I nevet expect need more than 12 months....

And now almost gonna renew S Pass also
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 18 2024, 11:57 AM)
When I apply PR, my S pass still left 1 and half years.....

I nevet expect need more than 12 months....

And now almost gonna renew S Pass also
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Oh you applied exactly 6 months? But you have been working for 9 years in singapore, likely they will take that into consideration ba. Why didn't your company issue you a longer pass? Is 2 years the most for s pass holders? Mine has always been 5 years ..
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 18 2024, 11:57 AM)
When I apply PR, my S pass still left 1 and half years.....

I nevet expect need more than 12 months....

And now almost gonna renew S Pass also
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How long have you been on S pass before you apply PR?

Yes, I know you have been working there last 9 years

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QUOTE(malz89 @ May 18 2024, 12:31 PM)
Oh you applied exactly 6 months? But you have been working for 9 years in singapore, likely they will take that into consideration ba. Why didn't your company issue you a longer pass? Is 2 years the most for s pass holders? Mine has always been 5 years ..
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That one is EP right?


I think S Pass 2nd time renew can use 3 years
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ May 18 2024, 11:57 AM)
When I apply PR, my S pass still left 1 and half years.....

I nevet expect need more than 12 months....

And now almost gonna renew S Pass also
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Try the best for the company not downgrade yours pass.

My fren s pass then downgrade wp like within 1 week then reject pr

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