They trace your in and out? That's likely, you spend buying in singapoee, you pay GST. That's what I think.

But been hearing that renewing PR for those staying in malaysia seems harder nowadays. They prefer those that stay inside. Basically they want their money to roll in singapore not outside to malaysia.

I was surprised that a lot of uniformed officers at changi are msians, security officers at the gates. People who screen passengers and airport ground staff are also msians......I did not probe further. I would have thought that for security reasons, these jobs would only go to singapore citizens.

yeah, pretty much Msians, the old then and the young now built singapore.

Singapore called for and recruited msians to work there in the 70s - all types of professions

Those are auxiliary polices, handled by private hires. The Singapore police force is reserved for Singaporeans only, even PR are ineligible for it.

Singapore is a country that depends mostly on talents to build the country, and 3D jobs that are handled by low skilled workers.

At the same time they gave too many PR back in the days, hence they are more reserved nowadays, even to the point of not renewing your PR if you're not staying in Singapore. Perhaps the main factor stemming from the younger generation complaining that the government is taking too many foreign talents that kinna steal their job.

Back in the days, getting an EP was rather a simple process, all you need is to check the salary criteria. EP has no quota, hence the abuse. Now, it's a different story, salary is just a part of it, there are several criteria that may overshadow salary for eligibility. S-pass, on the other hand, has a quota, many are afraid that they may not be able to renew their pass and are forced to leave the job. So, getting a PR is the most secure route for most. At the same time, it is the hardest to get now. S-pass enables you to apply for PR but usually placed under the lowest priority. The good news is, Malaysians are usually at the front of the list, likely due to culture and when we leave, we can't withdraw our CPF, unless you have reached your retiring age.

Yes. That's the sentiment I've been getting as well. Hence my comments in a different thread about the decision that I'm debating, whether to lock in my Singapore status by taking up their long standing offer of citizenship, before I retire to Australia next year (for fear of not getting my re-entry permit renewed).

You can renew for another 5 years before deciding, to take or not. But, it seems to be the case nowadays after reading more on these. Age seems to play an essential role too. Old age >> not in sg >> revoke. They don't want people to treat sg as a 2nd home, rather their only home. Isn't your wife a citizen? Perhaps you could tag onto her by then?

As long as you still work in Singapore, daily commute to Singapore, and return to Johor, this condition also makes you consider staying in Singapore?

Because many Malaysians who are Singapore PRs have family and a house in Johor. If they stay in Singapore, they will not have enough money to support their family.


Who would want to pay so much rent if they have their own house in Johor Bahru?

Furthermore, they cannot see their family every day.

If they don't feel tired and it doesn't affect their work, then they will commute daily between Singapore and Johor Bahru to work.



My colleague is one of them. Every month, his kids and wife spend a lot of money. He needs at least 4 overtime shifts per month to support them.

This post has been edited by plouffle0789: May 15 2024, 02:37 PM

Yes, she’s a citizen. But I’m afraid they’ll change some law by then and end up giving me LTSVP instead….

Not too sure to be frank. What I'm seeing here is that Singapore wants the resident to treat it as their first home instead of a second home. So, if you're leeching off from the country, why would they give you a PR, shouldn't a working permit is sufficient?

Overall, I think what Singapore wants is integration, hence Malaysians especially Chinese are given priority, due to the culture. On the other hand, if you're not part of the social circle, and often crossing the causeway, you may lose the advantage. That's why they are not giving to PRCs and Indians because these people would not want to try to integrate into the society, rather to mingle with their own type, which is out of the integration concept of Singapore.

Sorry just saw your complete message. Like what I have said, the government knows your plan. To them, we Malaysians are replaceable. You need them, not the other way round. There are many queing behind us waiting to jump for opportunity given the exchange rate. So why should they offer you a PR where eventually the money will be taken out from Singapore over those earn and spending in singapore where it flows into the system. Its not about the saving in singapore, rather how you spend in singapore. So, can consider getting an insurance, Medical card, etc which may increase your chances of getting PR because it is an indication that you have a tendency to stay.

This post has been edited by malz89: May 15 2024, 02:39 PM

Oh that's possible, but you can still stay what without the additional benefits. Haha

I edited my reply.

Now longer.

Sorry bro.Just think a few points....

You may see it again...

Just edited my reply after seeing it.

The success rate of getting PR is about 10% per year. No one knows exactly how they decide, and what we speculate is definitely not exhaustive. The likelihood of getting is higher if you show your tendency or commitment to stay in singapore, example picking up some community work, etc.

If you tick most of the check box, you should be able to get it; just the matter of time.

Definitely it would be cheaper to stay in malaysia and work in Singapore. If everyone does that, who is paying for the taxes? How government going to gain their capital? They need work force but they don't need leech. If they give PR to everyone who works in Singapore, their citizen definitely gonna be furious. That's what happened before 2010. Many of them hated Malaysians back then, that's why alot "ma lao" or "jhk". But these are hardly heard nowadays because they are more focused on "ceca" and "prcs".

Seems to be the case, if you're not residing in sg you may have concerns renewing your PR. Do note you have to update your residential address within 28 days. I am not sure would they allow you to update a place in malaysia instead.

Please note that you may have difficulty renewing your Re-Entry Permit (REP) when the time comes if you have not been an actual resident of Singapore before applying for renewal. If you are physically outside Singapore when your REP expires, or if you leave Singapore without a valid REP, your PR status is lost. You will continue to pay MediShield Life premiums for as long as you hold PR status, so there is an ongoing cost to hang onto PR.

My colleague is 52 years old.

He received Singaporean permanent citizenship in 2004.

He has a house, a wife, and children in Johor Bahru. He commutes daily to work in Singapore.

I think malaysians can update his Johor address in the Singapore system. There are no issue with his PR renewal.

He had never rented a house in Singapore before. However, due to the COVID-19 lockdown, he rented one room for around 2 year. It was a special situation.


Are all of your colleagues or friends, who are Malaysian citizens but also Singapore permanent residents, staying in Singapore?


Or do some of them live in Johor and commute daily to work in Singapore?



What I read from a Facebook group is that some women go back to Johor or Malaysia to give birth and then work from home in Johor. They do not enter Singapore or work in the office. Or some staff, due to Covid-19, their company allows them to work in Johor. So, the ICA officers are not happy. So, if they commute daily into and out of Singapore for work, it should not be a problem, right? Those motorcycles or cars that commute daily back and forth have many Singapore-registered license plates; many are Singapore PRs but Malaysian citizens.



Sorry.Reply too long...

But you give a good reminder.

This post has been edited by plouffle0789: May 15 2024, 07:18 PM

Is it because some workplaces in Singapore now have more PRCs (People's Republic of China citizens) than Malaysian citizens?

This post has been edited by plouffle0789: May 15 2024, 07:08 PM

I'm basically the only Malaysian here without a PR. Most of them either converted or married to a Singaporean. None of us commute daily, so I have no idea. PR stands for permanent resident, so if you're not staying in singapore, why should they offer you a PR? So a resident that stays in malaysia? Else why it's harder to get REP nowadays? So just a thought you should consider if you're shifting out in the future. You will never know.

I would say the place I'm working is filled with 90% PRCs. So, I would say most of them are rich, they bought their way here. Imagine you're competing against them, but fortunately they are placed below us Malaysians. Despite getting paid the same salary, my colleagues from PRCs were only given s-pass, which I think to limit them from applying for a PR.

What I read from a Facebook group is that some women go back to Johor or Malaysia to give birth and then work from home in Johor. They do not enter Singapore or work in the office.

Or some staff, due to Covid-19, their company allows them to work in Johor. So, the ICA officers are not happy.


So, if they commute daily into and out of Singapore for work, it should not be a problem, right?

Those motorcycles or cars that commute daily back and forth have many Singapore-registered license plates; many are Singapore PRs but Malaysian citizens.


For now, I can say that commuting daily in and out is not an issue for renewing the REP (Re-entry Permit).

Because if they really need a Singapore address to renew the REP, there are now many rental rooms available in Singapore.

Previously, agents had many people wanting to find rooms to rent.


They used to get booked quickly (a real case, not marketing tactics). But now, if you ask an agent, they will reply, 'I have at least 8 to 10 rooms. Which one do you want to view?'


But I know Singapore can impose some special laws.
Maybe in 5 years time,PR really need to have a residential address to renew REP.



Like cigarettes must be sold in a sealed cabinet and cannot be displayed in transparent glass in front of it.


Singapore was the first country to impose such laws.

If the Singaporean government indeed stated that Malaysians must have a residential address in Singapore to renew their REP, surely there would be a lot of discussion on Facebook. For now, it seems that some people forget to renew due to working in countries other than Singapore.

Some companies send them to Hong Kong, Taiwan, or Australia.


Sorry.Reply too long...

But you give a good reminder.

How can your company have 90 percent PRC employees?

What I know is that the construction sector has many quotas for foreigners. But you work at the office, right?

You're right on the renting. But how many of those were actually PR? I doubt 10% of them are. Most wouldn't travel in and out nowadays, but yes back then. You have to see, how many riding malaysian motor vs Singapore motor in the morning. You should have your answer there. For those who drive, how many of them actually stay in malaysia? Do they have a relative where they can actually register themselves there? There are loopholes for sure, but just be aware of such things. Once they revoke your PR, you may not get to work in Singapore too. I feel that Singapore is too strict, law by law, unlike malaysia.

Those being sent out to work, they will review case by case and usually a year extension. I think @hksgmy feels the same, when he retires somewhere else in the future.

Anyway, just wait ba. Once you get, you will only face it 5 years later. Maybe by then u decide to stay inside sg

I work in a sch. So quota literally doesn't exist here. Money comes into play. Haha