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Honours

Premiership (13): 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2013
Division One Champions (7): 1908, 1911, 1952, 1956, 1957, 1965, 1967
Division Two Champions (2): 1936, 1975

European Cup/UEFA Champions League (3): 1968, 1999, 2008
UEFA Europa League (1): 2017
European Cup-Winners' Cup (1): 1991
European Super Cup (1): 1991

FA Charity/Community Shield (21 (17 outright, 4 shared)): 1908, 1911, 1952, 1956, 1957, 1965*, 1967*, 1977*, 1983, 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2016 (* = joint holders)
FA Cup Winners (12): 1909, 1948, 1963, 1977, 1983, 1985, 1990, 1994, 1996, 1999, 2004, 2016
League Cup Winners (5): 1992, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2017

Toyota Inter-Continental Cup Winners (1): 1999
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

Managers

A. H. Albut [1892 - 1900]
James West [1900 - September 1903]
Ernest Magnall [10 October 1903 - 9 September 1912]
T. J. Wallworth [9 September 1912 - 20 October 1912]
John Bentley [28 October 1912 - 28 December 1914]
John Robson [28 December 1914 - 31 October 1921]
John Chapman [31 October 1921 - 8 October 1926]
Clarence Hildrith [8 October 1926 - 13 April 1927]
Herbert Bamlett [13 April 1927 - 9 November 1931]
Walter Crickmer [9 November 1931 - 13 July 1932]
Scott Duncan [13 July 1932 - 7 November 1937]
Walter Crickmer [9 November 1937 - 15 February 1945]
Matt Busby [1 October 1945 - 11 June 1969]
Jimmy Murphy [February 1958 - June 1958]
Wilf McGuinness [11 June 1969 - 29 December 1970]
Matt Busby [29 December 1970 - 8 June 1971]
Frank O'Farrell [8 June 1971 - 19 December 1972]
Tommy Docherty [22 December 1972 - 4 July 1977]
Dave Sexton [14 July 1977 - 29 April 1981]
Ron Atkinson [9 June 1981 - 6 November 1986]
Sir Alex Ferguson [6 November 1986 - 30 June 2013]
David Moyes [01 July 2013 - 22 April 2014]
Ryan Giggs *Caretaker* [22 April 2014 - 18 May 2014]
Louis van Gaal [July 2014 - 23 May 2016]
Jose Mourinho [27 May 2016 - 18 December 2018]
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer [19 December 2018* - 21 November 2021] *Note: Appointed officially on 28 March 2019
Michael Carrick *Caretaker* [21 November 2021 - 02 December 2021]
Ralf Rangnick *Interim* [03 December 2021 - 22 May 2022]
Erik ten Hag [23 May 2022 - Current]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Manch..._and_statistics

Record Home Win: 10-0 v Anderlecht, 26/09/1956 (European Cup Preliminary Round, 2nd leg)
Record Home Defeat: 1-7 v Newcastle United, 10/09/1927 [Division 1]

Record Away Win: 8-1 v Nottingham Forest, 06/02/1999
Record Away Defeat: 0-7 v Blackburn Rovers, 10/04/1926 (Division 1) | 0-7 v Aston Villa, 27/12/1930 [Division 1] | 0-7 v Wolverhampton Wanderers, 26/12/1931 [Division 2]

Record Win: 10-0 v Anderlecht, 26/09/1956 (European Cup Preliminary Round, 2nd leg)
Record Defeat: 0-7 v Blackburn Rovers, 10/04/1926 (Division 1) | 0-7 v Aston Villa, 27/12/1930 [Division 1] | 0-7 v Wolverhampton Wanderers, 26/12/1931 [Division 2]

Record League Win: 10-1 v Wolves, 15/10/1892 (Division 1)
Record League Defeat: 0-7 v Blackburn Rovers, 10/04/1926 (Division 1) | 0-7 v Aston Villa, 27/12/1930 [Division 1] | 0-7 v Wolverhampton Wanderers, 26/12/1931 [Division 2]

Record Premier League Win: 9-0 v Ipswich Town, 04/03/1995
Record Premier League Defeat: 0-5 v Newcastle United, 20/10/1996 | 0-5 v Chelsea, 03/10/1999 | 1–6 v Manchester City, 23 October 2011

Record FA Cup Win: 8-0 v Yeovil Town, 12/02/1949
Record FA Cup Defeat: 1-7 v Burnley, 13/02/1901 [1st Round]

Record European Win: 10-0 v Anderlecht, 26/09/1956 (European Cup Preliminary Round, 2nd leg)
Record European Defeat: 0-5 v Sporting, 18/03/1964 [Cup Winners' Cup QF]

Record Champions League Win: 7-1 v Roma, 10/04/2007 [UCL QF, 2nd leg]

Record Home Attendance (At Old Trafford): 76,098 31/3/2007 Premier League (Man Utd vs Blackburn) (83,260 for United v Arsenal at Maine Road in 1948)

Record League Appearances: 672 (555 Start, 117 Sub) Ryan Giggs 1990 - 06 May 2014 v Hull City [963 (802 Start, 161 Sub) overall]

Record League Goalscorer: 199 [in 606 league appearances] Sir Bobby Charlton 1956-1973

Record Overall Goalscorer: 253 [in 559 appearances] Wayne Rooney 2004-09 July 2017

Record Transfer Fee Received: 80,000,000 pounds for Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid (July 2009)

Record Transfer Fee Paid: 89,000,000 pounds for Paul Pogba from Juventus (August 2016)


As the world's biggest and richest club, Manchester United reach a global fanbase.

Part of the attraction for fans around the world has been the football luminaries, such as George Best and Sir Bobby Charlton, who have graced the Old Trafford turf in a Manchester United shirt over the years.

Recently, Manchester United have continued to attract or develop some of the game's biggest names, with England stalwarts such as Paul Scholes and David Beckham having been regular fixtures in the Reds line-up.

The Manchester United team, past and present, reads like a who's who of world football.

It is only fitting that a great team should grace a great stadium. And with Old Trafford's recent development and the closure of Wembley, the ground is easily the largest in English football, holding in excess of 60,000 fans.

Despite this capacity, the demand to see United in action is so great that tickets are hard to come by.

But it isn't only Manchester United fans who flock to Old Trafford. The standard of the ground is such that it regularly hosts high-profile games, most notably, the Champions League Final and Great Britain rugby league games.

Rock fans have also made use of the Reds's facilities, watching a number of high-profile acts at the ground.

But it's football that will forever be synonymous with the Reds famous ground - and with good reason.

The last decade has seen Manchester United under the shrewd leadership of Sir Alex Ferguson maintain a virtual stranglehold on the Premiership crown.

Manchester United has won the league no fewer than 18 times in their history. They are also Cup Kings too, winning the FA cup 11 times, the league cup 4 times, as well as winning the European Super Cup, European Cup Winner's Cup, and 3 times being crowned European Cup champions.

Manchester United has long become a name associated with success both on and off the pitch.

As club profits continue to grow, Manchester United have become one of the richest sports clubs on the planet.

With supporters club branches on every continent, it's hard to go any where in the world and not see somebody wearing the famous red shirt of Manchester United.

Manchester United Club Info

Old Trafford

Nickname: The Red Devils

Ground: Old Trafford

Pitch Size: 116 x 76 yards (106.0704 x 69.4944 meter)

Capacity: 76,000

Address: Sir Matt Busby Way, Old Trafford, Manchester

Postcode: M160RA

Directions: From North: Leave the M60 at junction 12 for M602 (Salford / Manchester). At the end of M602 (Jtn 3) follow the signs for Salford Quays and Trafford Park. At the roundabout turn right into Trafford Road (A5063), then at the bridge over Manchester Ship canal, keep in the right hand lane and turn right. Next, follow this road round to Trafford Wharf Road, and then left onto Watersreach. Continue through the traffic lights onto Sir Matt Busby Way.

From South: Leave M6 at junction 19, then take the A56 towards Manchester Airport. Join the M56 to Manchester, going past the Airport and then follow the signs for the M60 (Leeds / Liverpool). Leave M60 at Jtn 7 (A56 Chester Road) following signs for Manchester United Football Club. Turn left into Sir Matt Busby Way.

Ticket prices: 25 pounds upwards, concessions from 12.50 pounds. Tickets for the home sections are usually only available to members of the club and are normally allocated by ballot.

Contact information: Ticket Office: 0161 868 8020
Main Telephone: 0161 868 8000

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QUOTE(zenix @ Nov 24 2009, 09:18 PM)
Hope Alien will sticky this info later.
Though written in 2006 so no Roy Keane yet.

Ex-United players that have moved on to become managers.

Written by Simon Stone (MARCH 22, 2006)

STEVE BRUCE (1987-1996): Took his first steps in management with Sheffield United in 1998, then swiftly moved on to Huddersfield, Wigan and Crystal Palace. Left Selhurst Park in acrimonious fashion after Birmingham targeted him as the replacement for Trevor Francis in 1991. Took Blues into the Premier League but after a heavy FA Cup defeat is struggling to keep his job.

MARTIN POWELL (1971-1983): Stylish and well-respected Scotland centre-half whose authoritative nature appeared to make him a natural for the management game. Lasted four months at Burnley.

SIR BOBBY CHARLTON (1956-1973): Arguably the finest English player of all time proved to be an unmitigated disaster as a manager. Claimed he was not given the resources to make a decent job of it at Preston but was never lured back into management following his departure after a single season.

STEVE COPPELL (1975-1983): After a knee injury cut his playing career short at just 28, Coppell turned his attention to management. Steered Crystal Palace into the FA Cup final and then third place in the old First Division - the Eagles' highest ever - the following season. It was the first of four stints in charge at Selhurst Park in a career which has seen him move to Manchester City (for only six games), Brentford and Brighton. Now at Reading and about to steer the Royals into the top flight for the first time.

PADDY CRERAND (1962-1971): A key figure in United's 1968 European Cup triumph, Crerand lasted five months at Northampton before getting the bullet and, like Charlton, never managed again.

MARK HUGHES (1983-86, 1988-95): Hughes was never tipped as a manager by Ferguson but has taken to the game with ease. Took Wales into the Euro 2004 play-offs. Took over at Blackburn shortly afterwards, steering Rovers away from danger in his first season. Currently in contention for a Champions League spot.

BRIAN KIDD (1967-1974): Another European Cup winner who proved to be a poor manager. Got itchy feet in 1998 after spending seven years as Sir Alex Ferguson's highly-rated assistant. Took command at Blackburn but dismissed six months later.

BRYAN ROBSON (1981-94): United's inspirational leader under Ron Atkinson and Ferguson. There are two schools of thought on his stint at Middlesbrough - he either spent lots and achieved little (relegation and two losing finals) or he laid the platform for the Teessiders to become an established Premiership outfit. Kept West Brom up in extraordinary fashion last year but back in trouble again this season.

GORDON STRACHAN (1984-89): Scotland international who won the FA Cup with United and the title of the pre-Premiership era with Leeds. Sacked after five years at when the Sky Blues lost top-flight status, then enjoyed success at Southampton - reaching the 2003 Cup final - before resigning to spend more time with his family. Now at Celtic, has recovered from a humiliating Champions League exit to Artmedia Bratislava, and, after winning his first trophy on Sunday in the CIS Insurance Cup, is set to clinch the Scottish Premier League.

NOBBY STILES (1960-71): Along with Charlton, one of only two Englishmen to have won the World Cup and European Cup, he replaced his former England and United team-mate at Preston, with limited success. After a brief stint in Vancouver, returned to England to take over as manager of West Brom. Sacked after five months, having gained just three wins.
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post Aug 14 2022, 11:05 AM

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1st in division 1 championship!
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post Aug 14 2022, 11:10 AM

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4-0....
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I bet next match after 4 - 0 Liv will just chill...

Or even 2 - 0, so that it make Man Utd looks not so bad (damage control?) and will maintain this form for much longer = more damage to Man Utd longer...

I also bet Brendford also didn't expect we so sucks until oopsie 4 - 0 us in first half...
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Frankly say, I don’t mind we lose the game
But not until this extend
I been lowering my expectations but this is too much to bear.

Hope ETH are bold enough to drop underperform player. Otherwise he gonna follow RR footstep sooner o later.

If the manager dare to drop underperform star and replace with hunger youngsters, nobody will blame him. All arrow gonna point at the board for not backing him.

But right now, he Jz gonna bear all the blame due to his choosing starting 11. Nobody know what happen between the board n manager to keep playing under perform star. But it Jz suck max.
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QUOTE(zidane28 @ Aug 14 2022, 11:13 AM)
I bet next match after 4 - 0 Liv will just chill...

Or even 2 - 0, so that it make Man Utd looks not so bad (damage control?) and will maintain this form for much longer = more damage to Man Utd longer...

I also bet Brendford also didn't expect we so sucks until oopsie 4 - 0 us in first half...
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post Aug 14 2022, 11:25 AM

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Losing the game with this absurd performance

To make it worse, ETH tried players that got 3 managers sacked.

Added by silly board.

Gone Gone United
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post Aug 14 2022, 11:30 AM

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Next match player change should be below
Martinez > CDM
LB Malacia > Shaw
CB Varane pair with Bailly
LW Garnacho > Rashford

Wish to change others but our backup is equally shit
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Aug 14 2022, 11:25 AM)
Losing the game with this absurd performance

To make it worse, ETH tried players that got 3 managers sacked.

Added by silly board.

Gone Gone United
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And the captain played!
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QUOTE(damnself @ Aug 14 2022, 11:31 AM)
And the captain played!
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Why maguire have to start even for England???
This fella is a fraud
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QUOTE(Darren @ Aug 14 2022, 11:14 AM)
Frankly say, I don’t mind we lose the game
But not until this extend
I been lowering my expectations but this is too much to bear.

Hope ETH are bold enough to drop underperform player. Otherwise he gonna follow RR footstep sooner o later.

If the manager dare to drop underperform star and replace with hunger youngsters, nobody will blame him. All arrow gonna point at the board for not backing him.

But right now, he Jz gonna bear all the blame due to his choosing starting 11. Nobody know what happen between the board n manager to keep playing under perform star. But it Jz suck max.
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RR already said to rebuild you need young players with hunger for success
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Aug 14 2022, 10:48 AM)

In closing, sorry to sound harsh about this, if you are one of those going in on Ten Hag not playing our academy youngsters you need to realize this isn't a video game. Sir Alex did it and it because football history because it was something so improbable in the 90s which was a different era. Even more so now in the 21st century. And if youre saying sack ETH, you need to explain who you are bringing in that is going to change things for the better.
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You also need to realise not all asking for youth are based on playing a video game. Point it, manager should be able to recognise and play the best team available to him. IF there is no player that can be more useful than mctominay, then the whole academy is pretty shit. Not only should we see the player's experience and ability, but how adept he is at the requested style. Mctom is 100% not suitable, so are you saying noone else can be moulded better to eth style? If so, then yea, eth not to blame. Because cannot be eth is such a weakass manager who plays player like mctom JUST because of his status in the club right? Right?? But then again, maguire is still captain and NOTHING eth does shows that he is the strong hard handed type of manager that the club NEEDS. So, my initial point, I would believe eth is playing it safe not to offend the higher ups or the more senior players rather than doing everything he can to progress.

He still has to be given time, but at current point, he looks very unambitious and if this is what the club is looking for, then no point changing manager. In fact, should have just kept OGS.

RR had a good attitude that the club needs, but maybe not enough tactical ability. But instead, he was removed and now got an ETH that so far looks like the epitome of the board. Targets high profile expensive players that cannot get then blame it on the transfer activity.
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QUOTE(Purpleheaven @ Aug 14 2022, 11:38 AM)
You also need to realise not all asking for youth are based on playing a video game. Point it, manager should be able to recognise and play the best team available to him. IF there is no player that can be more useful than mctominay, then the whole academy is pretty shit. Not only should we see the player's experience and ability, but how adept he is at the requested style. Mctom is 100% not suitable, so are you saying noone else can be moulded better to eth style? If so, then yea, eth not to blame. Because cannot be eth is such a weakass manager who plays player like mctom JUST because of his status in the club right? Right?? But then again, maguire is still captain and NOTHING eth does shows that he is the strong hard handed type of manager that the club NEEDS. So, my initial point, I would believe eth is playing it safe not to offend the higher ups or the more senior players rather than doing everything he can to progress.

He still has to be given time, but at current point, he looks very unambitious and if this is what the club is looking for, then no point changing manager. In fact, should have just kept OGS.

RR had a good attitude that the club needs, but maybe not enough tactical ability. But instead, he was removed and now got an ETH that so far looks like the epitome of the board. Targets high profile expensive players that cannot get then blame it on the transfer activity.
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i think at the same time oso fans need to manage expectations on signings

we're not the previous man utd who can attract world class talents right away (even Haaland and Bellingham also opted for Borussia when we want to sign them)

Stop living in the past and look for hidden gems or future talent that we can rely on for years .. at the same time accept some stop gaps signings while we rebuild for the core future players ... other than that is just daydreaming jer (don't be beggar cant be chooser and overpay)

every mistake/misstep will drag man utd to even lower tier
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The only way I see it is to fully restructure the club. By saying so, relegate to division 1 or division 2. Let it sink there for few years like Leeds and maybe just maybe they come back alive like salty fish
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QUOTE(CounterRealm @ Aug 14 2022, 11:52 AM)
The only way I see it is to fully restructure the club. By saying so, relegate to division 1 or division 2. Let it sink there for few years like Leeds and maybe just maybe they come back alive like salty fish
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We are way too big for that. We needed RR to run us like a German club. Now we have no direction, just letting things happen.
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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Aug 14 2022, 11:43 AM)
i think at the same time oso fans need to manage expectations on signings

we're not the previous man utd who can attract world class talents right away (even Haaland and Bellingham also opted for Borussia when we want to sign them)

Stop living in the past and look for hidden gems or future talent that we can rely on for years .. at the same time accept some stop gaps signings while we rebuild for the core future players ... other than that is just daydreaming jer (don't be beggar cant be chooser and overpay)

every mistake/misstep will drag man utd to even lower tier
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That's one of the issues i see with eth or the scouting team. Go for de jong nvm, but when cant get him, why no other options. Scouting team has produced zero realistic options? Or eth just dismissing all of them and only wants shiny expensive toys?
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Kih3... Based on my observation, man uts players especially luka shaw , rashford , maguire play using his own understanding not how eth wanted...
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QUOTE(simmarjit @ Aug 14 2022, 11:57 AM)
We are way too big for that. We needed RR to run us like a German club. Now we have no direction, just letting things happen.
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RR too honest and brutal bout the club ... owner and board cant take it


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No wonder 00s kids nowadays only support successful teams like Manchester City, Liverpool or Chelsea.

Most of us United fans nowadays are from older generations. bangwall.gif
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QUOTE(MamulaMoon @ Aug 14 2022, 12:32 PM)
No wonder 00s kids nowadays only support successful teams like Manchester City, Liverpool or Chelsea.

Most of us United fans nowadays are from older generations. bangwall.gif
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newer generations can only support when win

older generations tend to support even when lose

my stereotype
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QUOTE(damnself @ Aug 14 2022, 12:37 PM)
I nak bukak Facebook pun takut tau 🤣
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I don't even dare to mention anything about football to my whatsapp group lol.. Plenty of MU supporters there, scared they will kill me haha
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For once I 70% agree with this yet another underbite


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QUOTE(imin @ Aug 14 2022, 12:52 PM)
I don't even dare to mention anything about football to my whatsapp group lol.. Plenty of MU supporters there, scared they will kill me haha
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We should have changed friends. I have a lot of Liverpool fans constantly mocking me 🤣
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QUOTE(john_white @ Aug 14 2022, 12:11 PM)
Kih3... Based on my observation, man uts players especially luka shaw , rashford , maguire play using his own understanding not how eth wanted...
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Even IF fdj comes, the players mentioned may not smart enough to look and pass to him

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Gary nev blaming the owners for the results... no mention of any players
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Aug 14 2022, 01:10 PM)
Even IF fdj comes, the players mentioned may not smart enough to look and pass to him
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if de jong come, eth can remove maguire, mcfred, rashford, bruno, shaw.. its time for donny to shine

that 3 midfield must be martinez, de jong ..with donny at 10. wide garnacho left , sancho right

tom heaton gk, dumfries at the right, malacia left, varane partner with baily ..

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First of all, time to recognise we are a shitty team. Last season DDG and Ronaldo was OK, now even they infected by the virus.

Is it the fault of the owners, YES. Why? Isn’t it the fault of owners if your dogs bite people, misbehave and isn’t it the fault of owners if the employees don’t do their jobs?

Ok, the buck must stop somewhere. Time to wake up and smell the relegation roses. As a fan I don’t mind watching a different set of first eleven who are passionate to play. But not this entire batch. We don’t go to the same restaurant if they serve the same rotten food every time.

But there is no shame in admitting it is crap when it is crap. I don’t even want to talk about recruitment anymore.
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Aug 14 2022, 01:17 PM)
if de jong come, eth can remove maguire, mcfred, rashford, bruno, shaw.. its time for donny to shine

that 3 midfield must be martinez, de jong ..with donny at 10. wide garnacho left , sancho right

tom heaton gk, dumfries at the right, malacia left, varane partner with baily ..
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I hope so..it is clear shaw/rashford/mctom/fred and bruno will not pass to vdb..and it may happen to fdj

Benching maguire already huge achievement to start for ETH
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Aug 14 2022, 01:16 PM)
Gary nev blaming the owners for the results... no mention of any players
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Why blame owners? They have done everything the fans wanted. Marquee signings every window, bringing back CR7 etc


Let’s swap with FSG as owners?



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Noticed that the Captain will not do post match interview after defeat..

Anyone know when was the last time he did one?

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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Aug 14 2022, 01:37 PM)
Noticed that the Captain will not do post match interview after defeat..

Anyone know when was the last time he did one?
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Takde telo is it?
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Eth is the one play the first 11 week in week out. So, it's unavoidable not to vent frustration on him. Now is kasi chance period. He is behaving like ole, say nice thing to keep the job but without result. Not even strong enough to drop maguire.

Everyone know owner is the problem but nothing can be done on them. The first 11 play like shit and its murtough problem? He is the bigger part of problem but eth share responsibility as well.

Replace maguire with varane/baily. Mcfred with lindeloft/martinez/Zidane/Gardner/some unknown. Shaw with malacia. Bruno with vdb/fred/eriksen. Are these names mentioned far worse and not worthy for even game time against mid table opponent?

If lose with new starting 11, no fans will vent on eth. Yesterday is a total failure. We did nothing on second half to even score 1. Its like bunch of players pass around trying to needle through a block of Brentford players. And kena counter.

Dropping mctom and only in bringing him back is a joke. Like rr, try drop mcfred, not working after some games, mcfred returned. These we already gone through. And repeating what rr did again hoping different outcome.

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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Aug 14 2022, 01:37 PM)
Noticed that the Captain will not do post match interview after defeat..

Anyone know when was the last time he did one?
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no need, fans dont wanna see his face. u see his face after he concedes those goals. no reaction one, jus stunned n sad. As captain you got to encourage your players, push them. this kind of captain will only mourn and diam diam after concede goals
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QUOTE(damnself @ Aug 14 2022, 01:50 PM)
Takde telo is it?
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I dont know, to me it looks like he want the armband for the status it brings.. without doing any of the responsibilities it demands..
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 14 2022, 02:06 PM)
no need, fans dont wanna see his face. u see his face after he concedes those goals. no reaction one, jus stunned n sad. As captain you got to encourage your players, push them. this kind of captain will only mourn and diam diam after concede goals
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QUOTE(Purpleheaven @ Aug 14 2022, 11:38 AM)
You also need to realise not all asking for youth are based on playing a video game. Point it, manager should be able to recognise and play the best team available to him. IF there is no player that can be more useful than mctominay, then the whole academy is pretty shit. Not only should we see the player's experience and ability, but how adept he is at the requested style. Mctom is 100% not suitable, so are you saying noone else can be moulded better to eth style? If so, then yea, eth not to blame. Because cannot be eth is such a weakass manager who plays player like mctom JUST because of his status in the club right? Right?? But then again, maguire is still captain and NOTHING eth does shows that he is the strong hard handed type of manager that the club NEEDS. So, my initial point, I would believe eth is playing it safe not to offend the higher ups or the more senior players rather than doing everything he can to progress.

He still has to be given time, but at current point, he looks very unambitious and if this is what the club is looking for, then no point changing manager. In fact, should have just kept OGS.

RR had a good attitude that the club needs, but maybe not enough tactical ability. But instead, he was removed and now got an ETH that so far looks like the epitome of the board. Targets high profile expensive players that cannot get then blame it on the transfer activity.
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I wonder who higher up are so blind to make the manager play those underperform star?

Maguire I understand la. Captain ma
Shaw? What?
Fred? What?
Mctominay? What?
Rashford can understand la. Previous golden boy.
Out of 5, at least 3 are droppable.
But they still start the game instead of other

VDB, garner, garnacho oso not starting
Even the sub oso late.
I really wonder if this is Man Utd new culture for late substitute?

https://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-unit...rentford-defeat

Bullshit
Some of them not even in my starting 11
Let alone sub them at half time 🤣

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Aug 14 2022, 02:05 PM)
Dropping mctom and only in bringing him back is a joke. Like rr, try drop mcfred, not working after some games, mcfred returned. These we already gone through. And repeating what rr did again hoping different outcome.
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RR are even worst treated by the board.
0player of his choice signed.
Not even backup.
Expect miracle.
Joker.

If I am the owner, I will sack all the board member in the club. Not even 1 left. But too bad. Football are not our owner interest. Money is.

Completely useless and speechless
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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Aug 14 2022, 01:37 PM)
Noticed that the Captain will not do post match interview after defeat..

Anyone know when was the last time he did one?
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last game? cant remember

read that there's only 1 post match interview per game and DDG requested to take this one
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No wonder 00s kids nowadays only support successful teams like Manchester City, Liverpool or Chelsea.

Most of us United fans nowadays are from older generations. bangwall.gif
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Aug 14 2022, 01:16 PM)
Gary nev blaming the owners for the results... no mention of any players
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As much as I dislike the Glazers, this is more DoF and the players.
Neville no longer has any credibility to me. He's trying to play to the gallery to restore his standing among the fans after the Ole fiasco.

Try giving Simon Jordan a listen instead.

QUOTE(silvertoes @ Aug 14 2022, 01:37 PM)
Noticed that the Captain will not do post match interview after defeat..

Anyone know when was the last time he did one?
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DDG requested to do a post match interview even though he was not scheduled for one.
DDG was one of the main factors we lost, if not the main, I must give him credit to requesting to come up and face the music. Our Captain on the other hand....wait for his Facebook post of "We go again".

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Gary nev blaming the owners for the results... no mention of any players
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However, the problem now is from head to toe.


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How's the 2nd half performance? Went to sleep after first half. yawn.gif
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QUOTE(Matchy @ Aug 14 2022, 03:20 PM)
How's the 2nd half performance? Went to sleep after first half. yawn.gif
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Superb, kept clean sheet.
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Masuk just to put salt on the wound just show your character. Kudos for rival fan who show some respect by not doing that
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Aug 14 2022, 02:25 PM)
Yes. I do feel like the resident oldie already, been supporting since Ron Atkinson's time.
As much as I dislike the Glazers, this is more DoF and the players.
Neville no longer has any credibility to me. He's trying to play to the gallery to restore his standing among the fans after the Ole fiasco.

Try giving Simon Jordan a listen instead.
DDG requested to do a post match interview even though he was not scheduled for one.
DDG was one of the main factors we lost, if not the main, I must give him credit to requesting to come up and face the music. Our Captain on the other hand....wait for his Facebook post of "We go again".
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Personally i dont think he is the main reason why we lost, the first goal was all on him no doubts, but we didnt score a single goal. Frank did his homework and ETH didnt, they pressed Eriksen when we tried to build up from the back. I was screaming for another CB when they scored the second goal, we dont have the correct players to play this system. If FDJ was at that Eriksen spot, i feel we wouldn't have conceded that second goal but we would probably still lose the game, pathetic performance from everyone including the manager.
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Just rumors.
But if it is true, he really gamble hard.

For me FDJ 99.99% won't come.
Dunno where does the Ten Hag confidence from.

But again it is just rumors, may be it is totally different stories.

Come or not, good luck to Ten Hag.

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Just rumors.
But if it is true, he really gamble hard.

For me FDJ 99.99% won't come.
Dunno where does the Ten Hag confidence from.

But again it is just rumors, may be it is totally different stories.

Come or not, good luck to Ten Hag.
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Dude if he doesnt come, you dont have to imagine the uproar ...

I feel he is still coming. We still need at least one attacking signing.
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If pansy FDJ decide to come and he flops miserably(he will) - its all on Baldy
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QUOTE(MamulaMoon @ Aug 14 2022, 12:32 PM)
No wonder 00s kids nowadays only support successful teams like Manchester City, Liverpool or Chelsea.

Most of us United fans nowadays are from older generations. bangwall.gif
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Now that you mentioned it, I realised there's literally 0 of my friends' kids support MU, including my super die-hard MU fan friends.. Must really hurt them seeing their own kids laughed at their team lol
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QUOTE(KennRicky @ Aug 14 2022, 05:40 PM)


Just rumors.
But if it is true, he really gamble hard.

For me FDJ 99.99% won't come.
Dunno where does the Ten Hag confidence from.

But again it is just rumors, may be it is totally different stories.

Come or not, good luck to Ten Hag.
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With this, I expect last day extremely last minute deal.
Not necessary panic buy, but finally Ten Hag press the button after confirming FDJ won't come.

Most probably Gakpo.
If lucky, plus one more panic buy.

Tbh la, for me FDJ won't come.
Barca already able to register 5 out of 6 new players.
They are not desperate to sell FDJ anymore, they can sell other players to get the registration done for the last new signing.
And FDJ intention is always to stay.

Yet again it is just rumours.
No body know what really happened behind the scene.

But if u ask me, I would rather believe this.
Even though someone keep blaming the transfer team, they in fact already prepared 80M for FDJ, so there is 80M to buy other players since he doesn't wanna come.
Just that Ten Hag gamble hard on that 0.001% possibility, and on hold all other transfer.

It explained better.

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QUOTE(KennRicky @ Aug 14 2022, 06:22 PM)
With this, I expect last day extremely last minute deal.
Not necessary panic buy, but finally Ten Hag press the button after confirming FDJ won't come.

Most probably Gakpo.
If lucky, plus one more panic buy.

Tbh la, for me FDJ won't come.
Barca already able to register 5 out of 6 new players.
They are not desperate to sell FDJ anymore, they can sell other players to get the registration done for the last new signing.
And FDJ intention is always to stay.

Yet again it is just rumours.
No body know what really happened behind the scene.

But if u ask me, I would rather believe this.
Even though someone keep blaming the transfer team, they in fact already prepared 80M for FDJ, so there is 80M to buy other players since he doesn't wanna come.
Just that Ten Hag gamble hard on that 0.001% possibility, and on hold all other transfer.

It explained better.
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We want to play modern football … but we also need modern structure

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Aug 14 2022, 01:35 PM)
Why blame owners? They have done everything the fans wanted. Marquee signings every window, bringing back CR7 etc
Let’s swap with FSG as owners?
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Both owners sucks. Gnev as usual shifting the blame to owner.. i guess to justify buddy ole was previously not at fault
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QUOTE(aa1985 @ Aug 14 2022, 03:15 PM)
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Stil.got class of 2015 2016 obe at helm
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Let’s move back to few seasons back during pandemic time, whole world were fully lockdown, EPL was forced to play behind close door without fans, the time where we played “well” and finished 3rd during 2019/20 where second half season we were playing closed door and 2nd in 2020/21 where we playing most of the season behind close door. These were the time we played well, come back and even thrashed Southampton, when lockdown was lifted and fans start entering stadium during 2021, the time where the performance starting to decline. The rest was history.

The players just can’t cope under the pressure and live fans, they looks lost whenever they are under pressure, always wondering “to play manager’s style or to play our own way”…..
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CM/CDM should be address no doubt but yet only sign eriksen.

But im more disappointed wt players who really should step up but have not.. since last season dunno what happen to bruno. So invisible. Last game also wasteful and invisible

Then sancho.. nowhere near form wt dortmund. Looked confused dunno what to do

Rashford too of coz.. look so promising few year back but now falling more and more.

ETH need to revived this 3 player to hv any chance of staying and sign CM/CDM of coz

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QUOTE(simmarjit @ Aug 14 2022, 03:52 PM)
Personally i dont think he is the main reason why we lost, the first goal was all on him no doubts, but we didnt score a single goal. Frank did his homework and ETH didnt, they pressed Eriksen when we tried to build up from the back. I was screaming for another CB when they scored the second goal, we dont have the correct players to play this system. If FDJ was at that Eriksen spot, i feel we wouldn't have conceded that second goal but we would probably still lose the game, pathetic performance from everyone including the manager.
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You are right when you say we don't have the players to play the system. Implementation mismatch.

News coming out that things are getting tense between ETH and the club hierachy. ETH feels let down by the transfers and now has to make decisions based on available budget.
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Hoping eth to retire aje, let the club burn the whole season.

No manager in their sane mind want to take over the club and manage with this shithousery 🤣

P/s: eth need to take the blame for giving the armband to maguire. He don’t know how to organise and give direction. Mmg la disorganised the team 🤣

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Most funny thing is Barcelona only able to draw on their first game and xavi are calling for more signing despite kounde still unable to register.

So nice to be a manager who having the board backup so heavily in a season even the squad he inherit consider top 4 team d.

But how naive for him to keep request for extra signing even kounde still unable to register.

Compare to Barcelona, our loss is expected but while Barcelona is not. Hope it continue to drag Barcelona down together with us.
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QUOTE(simmarjit @ Aug 14 2022, 11:57 AM)
We are way too big for that. We needed RR to run us like a German club. Now we have no direction, just letting things happen.
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We still talking about us is a big club? Won’t surprise me if we keep losing and relegated becoming the most talked thing in the next 20 years. Lol
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We still talking about us is a big club? Won’t surprise me if we keep losing and relegated becoming the most talked thing in the next 20 years. Lol
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QUOTE(onepack @ Aug 14 2022, 07:42 PM)
CM/CDM should be address no doubt but yet only sign eriksen.

But im more disappointed wt players who really should step up but have not.. since last season dunno what happen to bruno. So invisible. Last game also wasteful and invisible

Then sancho.. nowhere near form wt dortmund. Looked confused dunno what to do

Rashford too of coz.. look so promising few year back but now falling more and more.

ETH need to revived this 3 player to hv any chance of staying and sign CM/CDM of coz
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Sancho fan's favourite mahhh..hyped by media..naive fans fell for it and ask why the club dont quickly sign him..kek...havent learn anything from the past failure like sanchez, di maria


Kesian to the welcome ETH mood...things turn so sour so fast..lel
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Aug 14 2022, 08:19 PM)
I actually don't mind relegation if it means getting rid of the Glazers. I'd watch the games in the Championship.
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QUOTE(mihina69 @ Aug 14 2022, 08:22 PM)
Sancho fan's favourite mahhh..hyped by media..naive fans fell for it and ask why the club dont quickly sign him..kek...havent learn anything from the past failure like sanchez, di maria
Kesian to the welcome ETH mood...things turn so sour so fast..lel
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Ahh sancho, Ole’s signing

The best performance i seen from him is against watford loss last season … with vdb partnering him for the intelligence run and pass
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A long read of the history of Glazer's takeover.

It all started because of a racehorse.

sos

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Aug 14 2022, 08:19 PM)
I actually don't mind relegation if it means getting rid of the Glazers. I'd watch the games in the Championship.
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Bold statement
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Nah, Ten Hag not learning fast enough as I expected.
He shud stop thinking about reviving those 5~6 deadwood.

It is like we have 5~6 Dele Ali, no use even keep training.
They have totally lost their passion for football.

The more practical solution is to replace them one by one slowly within 2 seasons.

Hopefully the almost certain 3rd lost to pool will make his head even clearer.
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Bold statement
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Lingardino & Henderson starts for Forest
Doubt if Botak team can even win against them
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https://bit.ly/3dbiX1Z

See if Henderson tangkap katak
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QUOTE(MamulaMoon @ Aug 14 2022, 12:32 PM)
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Most of us United fans nowadays are from older generations. bangwall.gif
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Btw, very early discussion for pool match.
I can see the only way is to play 901, all 9 players on own half.
With that lost 1~2 goals already considered as win.

If Ten Hag decided to play "normally", prepare for another 6 ~ 8 goals lost.
Hope he get it right.
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user posted image

Err ... Is this real?
No way right, it must be photoshopped right?

Ya, surely Photoshoped.
Can see the 6 yard box line has disappeared under the leg of Brentford player.

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QUOTE(KennRicky @ Aug 14 2022, 09:22 PM)
Btw, very early discussion for pool match.
I can see the only way is to play 901, all 9 players on own half.
With that lost 1~2 goals already considered as win.

If Ten Hag decided to play "normally", prepare for another 6 ~ 8 goals lost.
Hope he get it right.
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Last year RR n Ole been criticised for parking the bus even before the game start. Looking for draw only.

If I am ETH, I rather go as usual n try get some fan faith. With current team, 9at own half doesn’t guarantee clean sheet though. I rather Either you win big or u lose all.
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QUOTE(Winter-3 @ Aug 14 2022, 08:40 PM)
A long read of the history of Glazer's takeover.

It all started because of a racehorse.

sos
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Henderson saved a penalty - no tangkap katak
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https://bit.ly/3dbiX1Z

See if Henderson tangkap katak
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Man's just saved a penalty.
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QUOTE(Aztec @ Aug 14 2022, 10:26 PM)
Man's just saved a penalty.
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That what he is, the best Goalie for newly promoted and championship team..
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Botak shipped out wrong keeper
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even forest transfer activity was way more imppresive than MU
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Ajax doin good as well.. not that hard to takeover from ETH?
Not like replacing SAF.. only time will tell..
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...op-running.html

Thats what you get from overpaying a player. Funny though the way he stop running. If our player did what he did, dunno what will happen

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Aug 15 2022, 12:21 AM)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...op-running.html

Thats what you get from overpaying a player. Funny though the way he stop running. If our player did what he did, dunno what will happen
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Nothing gonna happen, Rashy did it many times and he's about to get new bumper contract renewal..
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I actually don't mind relegation if it means getting rid of the Glazers. I'd watch the games in the Championship.
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damn fergie lagi. haih sad. monday blues cuz of work. open football news open facebook all MU screwed up news. zzzz
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See, rumours again, with totally opposite what I posted previously.

Sometimes say he is the one who refuse to press the button for more transfers, bcuz scare no money for FDJ deal.

Sometimes say he is already pressed the button, asking for more players.

Rumours x 3, never know which is correct one.

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Not just on transfers, United board messed up on their PR moves now.. laugh.gif
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Bro, don't kidding man, lol.

Again, just rumours.
Yet I think all fans will be more than happy if it is true.
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Ironic

Berdiri terkangkang Moyet & Botak propping up the league
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With so much happening in the world of socmed it’s gonna be rough ride for all of us. I suggest you turn off all socmed apps especially twitter & tiktok. The banters are gonna be enormous. We reap what we sow for years of mocking pool. And I don’t remember them being this bad during their “rebuilding” phase.
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Aug 15 2022, 12:21 AM)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...op-running.html

Thats what you get from overpaying a player. Funny though the way he stop running. If our player did what he did, dunno what will happen
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i saw the video. fuh. that disrespect to the other teammates. wonder what the owner feels when see this body language.
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That conte vs tuchel used to be SAF Arsene hahaah
So much passion. Win

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QUOTE(areankim @ Aug 15 2022, 09:03 AM)
That conte vs tuchel used to be SAF Arsene hahaah
So much passion. Win
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only manage to saw the video. both shake hand then start? one of they trash talk?
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Not just on transfers, United board messed up on their PR moves now..  laugh.gif
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False news or not
We can see cr7 negative attitude and body language every time the team leak goals. Lucky that he is not a captain
But then, existing Captain doesn't even show leadership as well


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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Aug 15 2022, 09:12 AM)
False news or not
We can see cr7 negative attitude and body language every time the team leak goals.   Lucky that he is not a captain
But then, existing Captain doesn't even show leadership as well
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If I am forward I also feel disgusted with the way we concede. If no show face, still clap hand inspire them? He did when we are 0-1 or 0-2 i think.

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i saw the video. fuh. that disrespect to the other teammates. wonder what the owner feels when see this body language.
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From Mbappe's contract, he is the owner already. It's Mbappe FC. He decides who the managers will be. The players who don't pass to him should be reprimanded.

Unfortunately, this reminds me of Rashford. There was this one instance, maybe against Villa, that he just stopped running and continued to jog into the area. Goalkeeper spilled the ball and if he had continued the run, it would have been a free shot on goal. But because he stopped running, his positioning was out to capitalize and GK recovered the ball.

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Aug 15 2022, 09:28 AM)
From Mbappe's contract, he is the owner already. It's Mbappe FC. He decides who the managers will be. The players who don't pass to him should be reprimanded.

Unfortunately, this reminds me of Rashford. There was this one instance, maybe against Villa, that he just stopped running and continued to jog into the area. Goalkeeper spilled the ball and if he had continued the run, it would have been a free shot on goal. But because he stopped running, his positioning was out to capitalize and GK recovered the ball.
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the day we stop picking players over nationality in this team is the day we can play.

rashford, maguire, shaw - whole season shit. ok rashford available half season only.

still get to play and start.
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If I am forward I also feel disgusted with the way we concede. If no show face, still clap hand inspire them? He did when we are 0-1 or 0-2 i think.
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Being a senior player in the team, don't sulk. Instead motivate and encourage the team to buck up and play better.

Look at players with good leadership.
See how they react when the team is down.
Bryan Robson, Steve Bruce, Keane, vidic, etc.

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man... the gua is really uncomfortable... lol... stay inside for 3 weeks plus is tough... lol... this weekend match continue stay inside gua... fuck everybody in the club lol... this is just like RR time... when implement new tactics, the players all failed to follow and kasi screw up.. i dont believe this is what ETH taught them for the past 2-3 mths... but the players mess it up big time for him... i dont believe maguire, mcfred, shaw, ddg are suitable to his tactics... these players already been playing counter attacking half of their life... can see how ddg quite awkward when need him to play the sweeper keeper role...
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Being a senior player in the team, don't sulk.  Instead motivate and encourage the team to buck up and play better.

Look at players with good leadership.
See how they react when the team is down.
Bryan Robson, Steve Bruce, Keane, vidic, etc.
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I like they names you quoted who were all Captains.
Wonder where was our Captain? biggrin.gif
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I like they names you quoted who were all Captains.
Wonder where was our Captain? biggrin.gif
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That's why I said existing Captain is not a captain quality.

The names I quoted were my most respected captains.
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That's why I said existing Captain is not a captain quality.

The names I quoted were my most respected captains.
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Very agree on this
Not even cr7 or Bruno. There's two sulk queen.


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i dont believe shaw and mctom got such clause... lol the rest i believe... haha... anyhow the first 11 damn sucks except the new players...

i dunno how to survive this season as man utd fans... the sad thing is that arteta finally get the time to make his team play like man city.... and our team neither here nor there... continue chg manager again and the same cycle continues...
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nice. can sign new contract? cant perform? pls vomit back the wages
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Whoever came up and agree with this type of agreement is stupid.
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The same management that gave Phil Jones a new 5 year contract even though he's been sitting on the medical table for the past 3 years.

If they can give Jones that new contract, simple guaranteed minutes to British players is easy.
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False news or not
We can see cr7 negative attitude and body language every time the team leak goals.  Lucky that he is not a captain
But then, existing Captain doesn't even show leadership as well
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That's why I said existing Captain is not a captain quality.

The names I quoted were my most respected captains.
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huh? wow why suddenly everybody turns to cristiano like he is the real problem?? not a captain quality? wow did maguire captained that england squad?
wait a minute, who is the captain for portugal? really? negative attitude? a full clip showing he wants to go to the fans but after realized the team got booed he make a u-turn ... after got trashed 4 nil and u think not clapping to ur fans is a huge problem and can ruin the team performance? really? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

this fans are amazing .. this is what the glazers wanted .. switch the blame to others

during the game if u noticed when we are trailing 2 goals, he shouted to the players to keep going and get a goal with his hand gesture "1 GOAL! GET 1 GOAL!" to change the momentum .. guess what maguire was doing? nothing as like "not my fault"..

this fans really unbelievable. i hope all we fans get our wish comes true, got his contract terminated and go to other club maybe chelsea, and score a hattrick against this club. we dont deserved him. it was a mistake.
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huh? wow why suddenly everybody turns to cristiano like he is the real problem?? not a captain quality? wow did maguire captained that england squad?
wait a minute, who is the captain for portugal? really? negative attitude? a full clip showing he wants to go to the fans but after realized the team got booed he make a u-turn ... after got trashed 4 nil and u think not clapping to ur fans is a huge problem and can ruin the team performance? really?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

this fans are amazing .. this is what the glazers wanted .. switch the blame to others

during the game if u noticed when we are trailing 2 goals, he shouted to the players to keep going and get a goal with his hand gesture "1 GOAL! GET 1 GOAL!" to change the momentum .. guess what maguire was doing? nothing as like "not my fault"..

this fans really unbelievable. i hope all we fans get our wish comes true, got his contract terminated and go to other club maybe chelsea, and score a hattrick against this club. we dont deserved him. it was a mistake.
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i feel cr7 deserves better than this club currently... even back to sporting also a better than us... lol... the core players that play every minutes but cant adjust to the new tactics are all in fault... they are professional footballers... how long they need to implement ETH tactics i wonder... one whole season??? mad.gif mad.gif
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Lol

Said ronaldo and others are not captain materials

Nvr once "Ronaldo is a problem" was mentioned

Unbelievable that some ppl will go extra mile to include this as argument … like subconsciously you feel the need to defend Ronaldo like siapa makan cili dia rasa pedas

I wonder who is trying to distract the actual topic?

But anyway, a captain is much more than just gesturing teammates on the pitch … there are other aspects to be considered off the pitch, dressing room, during training etc. Also, his contract is due soon and he's not staying with us whether you believe or not he wanted to get away from here since July ...

Captain in Portugal doesn’t really mean anything since he is the biggest name and player for the country … as if the manager has other option… as for captain for england, i dun pretend I have the brain to understand southgate’s intelligence

Last but not least, Ole's appointment, signings and decision set us back for at least 3-5 years, when he's really brought in to steady the ship after JM ...

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Bullshit. If no mctom, then I believe. Mctom gaji 20k saja lol
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i mean it's quite easy to rile up some fans u know

like u know it's rubbish source to gain views but you still read it to get angry

like the bicycle meme tongue.gif

been advocating to just read Tier 1 / Tier 2 sources for the ease of mind/heart nod.gif
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QUOTE(KennRicky @ Aug 14 2022, 09:22 PM)
Btw, very early discussion for pool match.
I can see the only way is to play 901, all 9 players on own half.
With that lost 1~2 goals already considered as win.

If Ten Hag decided to play "normally", prepare for another 6 ~ 8 goals lost.
Hope he get it right.
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on paper, theres no one. just switch to 433 with 1-on-1 and get the players to play aggresive. of course need to benched ronaldo, or dont list him at all.
start with change of GK, fill up fred+martinez+eriksen in the midfield 3, get garnacho and sancho to play wide with rashford as CF. need his speed and finishing to play a long ball. back four, no maguire please. would start varane and baily with malacia and williams.
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Aug 15 2022, 09:53 AM)
huh? wow why suddenly everybody turns to cristiano like he is the real problem?? not a captain quality? wow did maguire captained that england squad?
wait a minute, who is the captain for portugal? really? negative attitude? a full clip showing he wants to go to the fans but after realized the team got booed he make a u-turn ... after got trashed 4 nil and u think not clapping to ur fans is a huge problem and can ruin the team performance? really?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

this fans are amazing .. this is what the glazers wanted .. switch the blame to others

during the game if u noticed when we are trailing 2 goals, he shouted to the players to keep going and get a goal with his hand gesture "1 GOAL! GET 1 GOAL!" to change the momentum .. guess what maguire was doing? nothing as like "not my fault"..

this fans really unbelievable. i hope all we fans get our wish comes true, got his contract terminated and go to other club maybe chelsea, and score a hattrick against this club. we dont deserved him. it was a mistake.
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really hope he can go back to rm to play his cl. stil lgot good 1 2 years in him. definitely this club's current state doesnt deserve him. since the club and media love mediocre english only

maguire can fukoff and lisandro can try play at the fdj spot that eth wants pls.
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Aug 15 2022, 10:31 AM)
really hope he can go back to rm to play his cl. stil lgot good 1 2 years in him. definitely this club's current state doesnt deserve him. since the club and media love mediocre english only

maguire can fukoff and lisandro can try play at the fdj spot that eth wants pls.
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you didn't read news bout Perez's reaction bout CR7 coming back to CL?
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Ready for another massacre at Old Trafford next week? TBH, get raped by Liverpool or City are common theme these days. But when the likes of Brighton and Brentford do us a numbers, that's another new level of low.

Damage limitation, be more pragmatic or trust your philosophy, I hope ETH trust his players and stick to his style of play.

I'm in the rock bottom now. Still, will watch the game. And like my beloved MJ said “If you expect disappointment, then you can never really be disappointed.”
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QUOTE(BartoCastro @ Aug 15 2022, 10:33 AM)
Ready for another massacre at Old Trafford next week? TBH, get raped by Liverpool or City are common theme these days. But when the likes of Brighton and Brentford do us a numbers, that's another new level of low.

Damage limitation, be more pragmatic or trust your philosophy, I hope ETH trust his players and stick to his style of play.

I'm in the rock bottom now. Still, will watch the game. And like my beloved MJ said “If you expect disappointment, then you can never really be disappointed.”
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well... when the players not used to the new tactics of ETH... what can you expect... they dont know wanna play positional play or revert back to the counter attacking mode... hence the same disasters like RR time... our positioning all opened up... team slice through us with counter attacking like butter... the players wanna play open game, high defensive line... but then the capitan and the cdm is not ready for this job... brighton brentford already syncing their game tactics for seasons while we just tried for 2 mths? lol
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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Aug 15 2022, 10:32 AM)
you didn't read news bout Perez's reaction bout CR7 coming back to CL?
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38 year old smirk? haha. saw the news but stil wish him to go for teams with better structure. after all rm is still using benzema
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38 year old smirk? haha. saw the news but stil wish him to go for teams with better structure. after all rm is still using benzema
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tbh ... any well structured CL clubs wont go for him because you already know the reasons ...

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huh? wow why suddenly everybody turns to cristiano like he is the real problem?? not a captain quality? wow did maguire captained that england squad?
wait a minute, who is the captain for portugal? really? negative attitude? a full clip showing he wants to go to the fans but after realized the team got booed he make a u-turn ... after got trashed 4 nil and u think not clapping to ur fans is a huge problem and can ruin the team performance? really?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

this fans are amazing .. this is what the glazers wanted .. switch the blame to others

during the game if u noticed when we are trailing 2 goals, he shouted to the players to keep going and get a goal with his hand gesture "1 GOAL! GET 1 GOAL!" to change the momentum .. guess what maguire was doing? nothing as like "not my fault"..

this fans really unbelievable. i hope all we fans get our wish comes true, got his contract terminated and go to other club maybe chelsea, and score a hattrick against this club. we dont deserved him. it was a mistake.
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It would be much sweeter if Ronaldo goes to City or Liverpool and scores hattrick against MU... I think Ronaldo was the only player that actually tried to do something in the last match. Yes he sulked, but that was after the game is finished.
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I love to see that. Not because I don’t love the club but I want to see the owner out.
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because we're a business club more than football club

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QUOTE(BartoCastro @ Aug 15 2022, 10:33 AM)
Ready for another massacre at Old Trafford next week? TBH, get raped by Liverpool or City are common theme these days. But when the likes of Brighton and Brentford do us a numbers, that's another new level of low.

Damage limitation, be more pragmatic or trust your philosophy, I hope ETH trust his players and stick to his style of play.

I'm in the rock bottom now. Still, will watch the game. And like my beloved MJ said “If you expect disappointment, then you can never really be disappointed.”
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man utd gonna win, tominay, maguire and luke shaw score

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huh? wow why suddenly everybody turns to cristiano like he is the real problem?? not a captain quality? wow did maguire captained that england squad?
wait a minute, who is the captain for portugal? really? negative attitude? a full clip showing he wants to go to the fans but after realized the team got booed he make a u-turn ... after got trashed 4 nil and u think not clapping to ur fans is a huge problem and can ruin the team performance? really?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

this fans are amazing .. this is what the glazers wanted .. switch the blame to others

during the game if u noticed when we are trailing 2 goals, he shouted to the players to keep going and get a goal with his hand gesture "1 GOAL! GET 1 GOAL!" to change the momentum .. guess what maguire was doing? nothing as like "not my fault"..

this fans really unbelievable. i hope all we fans get our wish comes true, got his contract terminated and go to other club maybe chelsea, and score a hattrick against this club. we dont deserved him. it was a mistake.
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The headline put CR name but not HM (the captain)
Media picking CR ahead of HM for more sales/clicks

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QUOTE(bonez_xy @ Aug 15 2022, 12:17 PM)
LVG already told that this is commercial club not football club. everything about money first not the football.
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and ten hag now experienced it the 'I thought Manchester United could buy every player' thing himself

another thing about clapping hands to fans .. its OK if you really play hard to win games ..but after got humiliated 4 goals , ONLY SNAKES WITH THICK FACE are able to do that .. and make socmed postings WE GO AGAIN. YES WE GO AGAIN. ITS OK WE GO AGAIN. WE WILL BOUNCED BACK BUT IF WE LOSE, WE GO AGAIN.

eh fukc off lah

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QUOTE(imin @ Aug 15 2022, 11:54 AM)
It would be much sweeter if Ronaldo goes to City or Liverpool and scores hattrick against MU... I think Ronaldo was the only player that actually tried to do something in the last match. Yes he sulked, but that was after the game is finished.
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And malacia. The fact eth keep start shaw is bewildering and makes me starts to question him.
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Aug 15 2022, 10:14 AM)
on paper, theres no one. just switch to 433 with 1-on-1 and get the players to play aggresive. of course need to benched ronaldo, or dont list him at all.
start with change of GK, fill up fred+martinez+eriksen in the midfield 3, get garnacho and sancho to play wide with rashford as CF. need his speed and finishing to play a long ball. back four, no maguire please. would start varane and baily with malacia and williams.
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In your dream. Next match you will see mcfred maguire again. This time maybe flank by malacia + awb. Eth doesn't seem dare for wholesale change judging by 2 matches. Prove me wrong pls.

But to be fair to eth, no tactic plan can be executed when your backline free minimum 2 goals away due to individual mistakes. Opponent hardly tried attacking slickly. 0-2 morale low, bruno lead the sulking, maguire start blaming ppl, rashford under pressure with every touch, gg. The never die attitude is gone since ole.
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Something most united fans prob don't know.

Before Ten hag, Marcel Keizer was the coach. He was highly recommend by bergkamp and jonk.

He was 1st coach of the reserve team. In which he worked with all the youngsters from that champions league semi final. He played some amazing football with that reserve squad. Nouri was part of that squad too.

then after that lost uefa cup final against Manchester united. Peter Bosz left and Marcel Keizer got the job.

In that summer there was the nouri drama, nouri who went into coma sad.gif. He was beloved by every player and staff. We got eliminated out of Europe in the qualification's. The nouri drama happened just before the qualifiers.

The rest of the season wasnt that bad. We played some very good football. But we where behind psv like 12 points. I dont think its that bad given the nouri drana impact.

Then all of sudden Keizer was sacked by overmars. One game before the winterbreak. This came as a complete surprise to everyone..he had a shaky start yes. But there was the nouri drama. He did get the sqaud back on track with some beatifull football. We smashed feyenoord and PSV with good football under him.

Keizer didn't deserve to get sacked..this was the general view of most supporters. With Keizer.. bergkamp was sacked too. The whole thing felt more like a attempt from overmars to get him in the position of most powerful. Because there where disagreements between Overmars, bergkamp and jonk.

Then in came ten hag. Overmars best personal friend. He was given directly 2 wingbacks by overmars. Something keizer repeatedly asked for but never got. Ten hag also brought his dearest friend/player from Utrecht with him. Zakaria Labyad. For 7 million. This guy

Ten hag finished 2nd. With some weird and bizarre choices/sqauds/substitutes/

Then that summer ajax raised the salary fee and transfer budget. Kept all their talents and stars. And Tadic and Blind where signed. So we had a super squad.

Ten hag just happened to be lucky to be in the right place and time. Never before Ajax had a sqaud like that. Yea once 20 years ago or so. We had a sqaud with zlatan, van der vaart, van der meide, trabelsi, sneijder, chivu. That sqaud almost got to the cl semi finals. But now we had some experience players with blind and tadic.

I know it sounds weird to say..that cl team who beat juve and real. That's not ' the ten hag playstyle' That's the ajax style, the foundation of that where build by Peter Bosz and keizer. Ten hag just happened to be at the right at the right time. Marcel Keizer would've achieved the same if not better.

there nothing special about ten hag. There are a lot ajax fans who are happy ten hag left. The season after that cl season. 19/20 now we begun to see what the real play style of ten hag is... Frenkie end De ligt left..

Ten hag bought Marin as a replacement for frenkie.. Based on one game of Ajax against standard liege where he saw him play. He was instant floppy.

The new qualifying campain started. Ten hag new master mind plan. Was to put two defensive midfielders in midfield. Alvarez and Martinez. Its not like mcfred. But it isn't also a good thing. We played against a Greek or cypros side I can't remember. We where very lucky not be eliminated by them it was on aggregate 4-3 or 5-4. Oh yea and an other buddy of Ten hag came. Quincy promes. We survived the cl qualification.

In the group stage against Chelsea at home we played with a coward defensive midfield. Alvarez and Martinez on the midfield. Ten hag who got his tactics wrong. We lost 0-1. Later in the away game, finally ten hag was brave enough to put the correct midfield the fans wanted. Martinez, vdb, and ziyech on 10! We where up 4-1..unlucky to get two reds in one foul. Which lead to 4-4. Later the decider game against Valencia at home. Ten hag went back to his old coward horrible tactics again. Playing with Martinez and Alvarez togheter on the midfield. Of course we lost 0-1 deservedly. The whole match was a shitshow because of ten hag tactics we where out of the cl. We went to Europe league to play against getaffe. Again ten hag tactics, line ups etc where horrible. Getaffe knocked us out of Europa.. A bit later on we went on the worst streak, draws, loses in the eredivisie in the history of ajax. We where still top somehow together with as. But we lost match after match. Corona was there and saved ten hag. With full stadiums ten hag would never ever be the manager again from ajax. There's no way the supporters are gonna accept that. But again he was lucky.. The eredivisie ended on 25 games because corona. Ajax where top of the table togheter with az. We had the better goal difference. They az had the better head to head. We where called champions because of goal difference. If that season didn't end we would've blow the eredivisie title because of stupid ten hag tactics



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QUOTE(bonez_xy @ Aug 15 2022, 11:56 AM)
at this rate we will be like nottingham forest late 1990's and relegate to championship.
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Why not Leeds in the 2000s? I was a fan then. Come to kl to start college in kl and didn’t have the resources to follow epl. See newspaper suddenly in relegation zone. Lol.

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If this is true, then memang fight top4 aje. Or worse. Possible we win fa cup, league Cup but get relegated? Like that can get trophy + get rid of glazers.
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If this is true, then memang fight top4 aje. Or worse. Possible we win fa cup, league Cup but get relegated? Like that can get trophy + get rid of glazers.
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If this is true, then the board screwed up again. It will be just like their decision to give perm job to OGS.

It means they just see the manager get good results, then sign. No need interview, no need discuss and see what the manager vision is, and how suitable he is.
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Real elite managers do this, talk truthfully, factually and demands standard to be raised..
Not covering up for the sake of harmony, good vibes and smiles..
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so if ten hag got sacked who is next? poch? based on his handling of psg i doubt he gonna stay long with this bunch of players....even SAF, pep, klopp, ancelotti also can't do shit..
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so if ten hag got sacked who is next? poch? based on his handling of psg i doubt he gonna stay long with this bunch of players....even SAF, pep, klopp, ancelotti also can't do shit..
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I think cant already. Players currently in the club is treating the club as either a stepping stone to a bigger club, or just for the salary.

To me, the clubs needs a decent DM. The manager should be able to make some player play out of their comfort zone, out of their preferred position. But they will have to forgo their desire and preference for the sake of the club. See the whole squad, i dont think any of them are willing. They arent even willing to change their style which might restrict their selling point. They just want to play how they think they play best and hope a bigger club pick up on their strengths and buy them.
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QUOTE(Purpleheaven @ Aug 15 2022, 02:14 PM)
I think cant already. Players currently in the club is treating the club as either a stepping stone to a bigger club, or just for the salary.

To me, the clubs needs a decent DM. The manager should be able to make some player play out of their comfort zone, out of their preferred position. But they will have to forgo their desire and preference for the sake of the club. See the whole squad, i dont think any of them are willing. They arent even willing to change their style which might restrict their selling point. They just want to play how they think they play best and hope a bigger club pick up on their strengths and buy them.
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stepping stone? feels an english retirement home is a better description. non of these players, if walk out of the club, other clubs will be interested.

those rash, awb interest by barcelona and psg just to ruffled ur feathers only la. they cant even make it to these clubs substitute.
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Aug 15 2022, 02:18 PM)
stepping stone? feels an english retirement home is a better description. non of these players, if walk out of the club, other clubs will be interested.

those rash, awb interest by barcelona and psg just to ruffled ur feathers only la. they cant even make it to these clubs substitute.
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While we question his attitude, jlingz has plenty offer from mid table clubs.
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I think ETH underestimate the first 2 match. that is why he keep using players shaw at the left back, Fred in the middle and fridge. He might think to use these 2 match to evaluate their performance and at the same time get Martines to get use to EPL. It is a gamble that backfire him kaw kaw... hopefully for the next match with Loserfool, I hope he will change at least 6 to 7 players that played the last game.
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Aug 15 2022, 02:22 PM)
While we question his attitude, jlingz has plenty offer from mid table clubs.
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jlings performance not a problem when he subbed in. but rashford is a different body language. not even trying to run. jlings will try to run (maybe cause he has fresher legs compared to the rest)
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Aug 15 2022, 02:18 PM)
stepping stone? feels an english retirement home is a better description. non of these players, if walk out of the club, other clubs will be interested.

those rash, awb interest by barcelona and psg just to ruffled ur feathers only la. they cant even make it to these clubs substitute.
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I mean, yala, retirement home for the money. But some players are still young, dont make sense they wanna just slack and live off their remaining contract.

Imo, u see awb play, a coach should be teaching him positioning, or using his speed to push players away from goal, slow them down so other players can catch up and help defend. But no, he always want to run up and try to participate in attack,but when fail and caught out of position, he wont sprint back. Why? I dunno, but maybe he feels like he wont shine if he just run and distract the attacker while his teammate come and help him. He'd prefer a decisive 1v1 where he can show his tackling skills.

Then u can see rashford. Possession style ten hag football means he have to continually move about, making available pass routes and he must also make short passes to teammates to cycle possession. But just like that, hard to shine, so he wants to show his speed, show his dribbling. He scared later people call him backwards or sideway passing merchant maybe. So, he keep trying to dribble, to showcase his speed and flair.

Barca interest might not be genuine, but they would feel like they rather try to be the main man of the team and get more clubs interested, rather than do the grunt work for the betterment of the team as a whole

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QUOTE(Purpleheaven @ Aug 15 2022, 02:33 PM)
I mean, yala, retirement home for the money. But some players are still young, dont make sense they wanna just slack and live off their remaining contract.

Imo, u see awb play, a coach should be teaching him positioning, or using his speed to push players away from goal, slow them down so other players can catch up and help defend. But no, he always want to run up and try to participate in attack,but when fail and caught out of position, he wont sprint back. Why? I dunno, but maybe he feels like he wont shine if he just run and distract the attacker while his teammate come and help him. He'd prefer a decisive 1v1 where he can show his tackling skills.

Then u can see rashford. Possession style ten hag football means he have to continually move about, making available pass routes and he must also make short passes to teammates to cycle possession. But just like that, hard to shine, so he wants to show his speed, show his dribbling. He scared later people call him backwards or sideway passing merchant maybe. So, he keep trying to dribble, to showcase his speed and flair.

Barca interest might not be genuine, but they would feel like they rather try to be the main man of the team and get more clubs interested, rather than do the grunt work for the betterment of the team as a whole
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they are getting paid higher than peers of similar age in the league. except mctom. easy money
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Take it with a pinch of salt whatever that Ajax fan says of his ex-manager. Remember we were very hot for him just weeks ago.

The important thing is to stay OBJECTIVE, and never to support blindly and never to criticize blindly.
I am damn sure right now he is has been shown a noob. And it is not fair to judge anyone based on 2 games.
But - Almost ALL PLAYERS bar 2 have had more than 2 games dammit.
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so ETH out bro? lol
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I can't believe we're down 4-0 and we didn't sub in youngster to gain some experience, what is ETH looking at?
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I can't believe we're down 4-0 and we didn't sub in youngster to gain some experience, what is ETH looking at?
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ETH is famous for not subbing easily like ole also... so yea... and maguire rashy can play 90 mins... martinez and sancho gt sub out... sancho i feel despite his lack of goals and assists, he still better than rashy now...
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they are getting paid higher than peers of similar age in the league. except mctom. easy money
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kayu style.... u wan money! u get it!... lol... jones also can get new contract... ada apa tak boleh mia... mctom most sad... cant even fight for high salary, now all fans wan him out already..
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so ETH out bro? lol
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Just one post up I said I will support new manager. This time around, you can bet I will support him till relegate because I see an additional motive in getting rid of Glazers.

By the time we reach Div 1 and he cannot bring us up / make us lead the championship comfortably by game 10, then I will call for his head.

But again, I am GOING TO criticize the selection every damn match, and criticize the players every damn match and if they don't show heart and soul and run their damn legs off you bet I will boo them.

They ARE ALL PAID LIKE CHAMPIONS of EPL. They should show performance of champions. They are supposed to WIN EVERY MATCH because their salary is really beyond or equal to every top team. Not to mention there is no CL to be distracted by.
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 15 2022, 02:56 PM)
kayu style.... u wan money! u get it!... lol... jones also can get new contract... ada apa tak boleh mia... mctom most sad... cant even fight for high salary, now all fans wan him out already..
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there nothing special about ten hag. There are a lot ajax fans who are happy ten hag left. The season after that cl season. 19/20 now we begun to see what the real play style of ten hag is... Frenkie end De ligt left..

Ten hag bought Marin as a replacement for frenkie.. Based on one game of Ajax against standard liege where he saw him play. He was instant floppy.

The new qualifying campain started. Ten hag new master mind plan. Was to put two defensive midfielders in midfield. Alvarez and Martinez. Its not like mcfred. But it isn't also a good thing. We played against a Greek or cypros side I can't remember. We where very lucky not be eliminated by them it was on aggregate 4-3 or 5-4. Oh yea and an other buddy of Ten hag came. Quincy promes. We survived the cl qualification.
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who wrote this is a great example of an idiot. remember jose? anti-jose fans will said the same. stupid jose tactics parked-the-bus all that shit even won us some trophies with a 4/5 transfer targets yeah right. Erik ten Hag have to rebuild twice. without de jong and de ligt, and post corona. and this idiot said he is nothing? what a joke. a real 'nothing' manager will fail to win u any trophies. if Erik ten Hag was nothing, with that squad, he just can give Ajax 2nd place at best. super squad? blind and tadic and haller were super? LOL WHAT A FUKING JOKE

if ten hag is nothing, just compare him with Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. back-to-back top 4, in almost empty stadium, with maguire as captain. guess what? maybe the same idiot will said ole is god thumbup.gif

oh yes, im a bit biased towards Erik ten Hag here. he is 'nothing'... really? what a joke. a nothing manager is like Ole the fraud, 3 seasons with high-wages players and got us to inherits the most shittiest squad ever.

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I can't believe we're down 4-0 and we didn't sub in youngster to gain some experience, what is ETH looking at?
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what? most manager only sub in youngster to gain experience when winning comfortably

kena belasah 99 still wan bring in youngster .. could be worse for their development ...

also may let ppl condemn say give up by subbing in youngster ..no desire to come back for at least draw/win

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Aug 15 2022, 02:56 PM)
Just one post up I said I will support new manager. This time around, you can bet I will support him till relegate because I see an additional motive in getting rid of Glazers.

By the time we reach Div 1 and he cannot bring us up / make us lead the championship comfortably by game 10, then I will call for his head.

But again, I am GOING TO criticize the selection every damn match, and criticize the players every damn match and if they don't show heart and soul and run their damn legs off you bet I will boo them.

They ARE ALL PAID LIKE CHAMPIONS of EPL. They should show performance of champions. They are supposed to WIN EVERY MATCH because their salary is really beyond or equal to every top team. Not to mention there is no CL to be distracted by.
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yea bro... totally get your feeling now... lol... all of them paid like champion but performed like norwich city... damn... ETH thought that players with that kind of salary should be able to perform his tactics.... mana tau.... there is a reason why ole eventually give up using new tactics because they everyday counter attack by default... lol
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they are getting paid higher than peers of similar age in the league. except mctom. easy money
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But they still have to have some ambition because at the rate of their performance, the club aint gonna renew, so they'd hope someone comes in to get them so they can continue their career. Unless they think man utd will keep giving them luxurious contracts for shit performances, which is actually possible.
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expecting rash maguire to get extension handsome for loyalty shown to the club during this difficult times..  rclxms.gif
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yea but now tukar to pakatan harapan murtogh dy... (so no contract extension anymore) rashy punya contract also they didnt start anything yet... maybe wait til mid season only decide...
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QUOTE(Purpleheaven @ Aug 15 2022, 03:04 PM)
But they still have to have some ambition because at the rate of their performance, the club aint gonna renew, so they'd hope someone comes in to get them so they can continue their career. Unless they think man utd will keep giving them luxurious contracts for shit performances, which is actually possible.
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got precedent already. so why not. if this company i working for got this culture, i will stay there till i retire.
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got precedent already. so why not. if this company i working for got this culture, i will stay there till i retire.
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Hahahah, means they also think the club will be this stupid until they retire ah? I dont blame them. To be honest, trophies and accolades are overrated. To me, all this achievements are so you can step up and play for a bigger club to challenge bigger trophies for one ultimate aim, to earn the money a world superstar should earn. But if you can earn this much without going through all that, easy choice.
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 15 2022, 03:04 PM)
yea but now tukar to pakatan harapan murtogh dy... (so no contract extension anymore) rashy punya contract also they didnt start anything yet... maybe wait til mid season only decide...
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better sell or become another jlings. receive 0. murtogh also like no performance/eth holding on to other signings because waiting for fdj since we have limited budget this window.
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I can't believe we're down 4-0 and we didn't sub in youngster to gain some experience, what is ETH looking at?
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early of the season better play players tht in the main squad.. they need minutes more and for ETH to choose the best 11. unless he plan to sell some of them

easy say play youngster to gain experience.. if backfired we concede more goals sure ETH get roasted playing them

the squad quite thin now.. whos there to fight rashford, sancho spot. DM is a must still not sign. striker also need more option there esp wt CR uncertainty
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post Aug 15 2022, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Aug 15 2022, 03:27 PM)
so he prefer savage or zidane... kesian garner.. lol
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post Aug 15 2022, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Aug 15 2022, 03:07 PM)
better sell or become another jlings. receive 0. murtogh also like no performance/eth holding on to other signings because waiting for fdj since we have limited budget this window.
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club say die die wont sell... wait his contract run out ba... lol... tired of this club mia transfer dealing capabilities... i think coming liverpool match will abandoned dy... fans mau mogok kuat2
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post Aug 15 2022, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 15 2022, 03:31 PM)
club say die die wont sell... wait his contract run out ba... lol... tired of this club mia transfer dealing capabilities... i think coming liverpool match will abandoned dy... fans mau mogok kuat2
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see how mogok first... i wil still watch la.. 3 more games.. 2 done.. haha. with maguire in lineup thats why limit
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post Aug 15 2022, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Aug 15 2022, 03:27 PM)
Come rage orga. I think you always mention his name. Mcfred really highly rated. Not for sale
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Aug 15 2022, 03:32 PM)
see how mogok first... i wil still watch la.. 3 more games.. 2 done.. haha. with maguire in lineup thats why limit
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based on the sub he did last match... highly possible maguire will start again... martinez most probabaly kena bench if eth dont let him play CDM... lol
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post Aug 15 2022, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Aug 15 2022, 03:39 PM)
Come rage orga. I think you always mention his name. Mcfred really highly rated. Not for sale
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rage for what? laugh.gif

garner want that cdm role so bad, the role that de jong play in Erik ten Hag vision.
ETH want to move garner to an 8 or 10. garner refuse.
OK. go play whatever role u want in another club laugh.gif

too bad he didnt rate garner.

so .. if this true, and de jong didnt came, ETH really dig his own grave ..setting up for his own sack laugh.gif
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post Aug 15 2022, 03:50 PM

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[quote=orga_laut,Aug 15 2022, 02:59 PM]
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who wrote this is a great example of an idiot. remember jose? anti-jose fans will said the same. stupid jose tactics parked-the-bus all that shit even won us some trophies with a 4/5 transfer targets yeah right. Erik ten Hag have to rebuild twice. without de jong and de ligt, and post corona. and this idiot said he is nothing? what a joke. a real 'nothing' manager will fail to win u any trophies. if Erik ten Hag was nothing, with that squad, he just can give Ajax 2nd place at best. super squad? blind and tadic and haller were super? LOL WHAT A FUKING JOKE

if ten hag is nothing, just compare him with Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. back-to-back top 4, in almost empty stadium, with maguire as captain. guess what? maybe the same idiot will said ole is god thumbup.gif

oh yes, im a bit biased towards Erik ten Hag here. he is 'nothing'... really? what a joke. a nothing manager is like Ole the fraud, 3 seasons with high-wages players and got us to inherits the most shittiest squad ever.
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I don't disagree with you, that fan's POV may not constitute the full picture.
But at the same time, it must be fair that ETH has to be open for criticism. He cannot hide or beat around the bush when comes to his players and his support structure.

Assuming I know nothing of his past, I am not seeing the correct decisions being made by Erik, so far, in player selection and in signing new players. And please, don't give me that its not his job to sign players nonsense. I will refuse to believe it, and it is not a logical condition. We don't put our reputation and job on the line, and depend on a few John's and Dicks to do something that can cause us to get fired. I would not sign this contract of employment. It may be so in the past with Jose, LVG, but there must be lesson's learned. So, I tend to give him a D- minus of the job done so far.
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Aug 15 2022, 03:42 PM)
based on the sub he did last match... highly possible maguire will start again... martinez most probabaly kena bench if eth dont let him play CDM... lol
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maybe 20 years later can publish book how he manage to escape sub out despite being poor.
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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Aug 15 2022, 03:27 PM)
Rumors again.
Yet if it is real, quite disappointed.

If Ten Hag willing to kasi chance to develop, I am not dare to say anything, but shud be safe to say he will be better than McTom and Fred as a control midfielder, as least a little bit.

Yet, as I said, it is now rumors all over the place.

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post Aug 15 2022, 04:12 PM

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Garner leaves while nt playing a minute. While fred n mctom already failed in every minute of epl action.

We are looking to sign vardy? Morata? Lmao
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Aug 15 2022, 03:48 PM)
rage for what?  laugh.gif

garner want that cdm role so bad, the role that de jong play in Erik ten Hag vision.
ETH want to move garner to an 8 or 10. garner refuse.
OK. go play whatever role u want in another club  laugh.gif

too bad he didnt rate garner.

so .. if this true, and de jong didnt came, ETH really dig his own grave ..setting up for his own sack  laugh.gif
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Why will garner refuse. He already mention he can play 8 or 10 in interviews. He just want to play..
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post Aug 15 2022, 04:35 PM

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