How soon does the engine kick in to recharge the battery / how far can the car go on battery power?
Brake: does the brake feel normal? Or does it feel different due to the brake regen?

This is no surprise. Consider the ICE and electric motor are both 100'ish horsepower + Consider during motor max output, the ICE also need to run max output to just to break even battery power. This impossible in real life, as generator motor horsepower is the limit. Now Honda didn't disclose the generator capacity, it would be very generous if Honda give 30hp+ generator motor.

Prius and Prius C also same problem. When idle in long traffic jam, during charging the engine sounds very loud like reving at least 4000rpm. Anyone want to test the experience just hold 4000rpm with free gear for 1 minute with own car.

That's why a good comfortable hybrid also need a high capacity ICE like PHEV 180hp+ so that engine only need go rev a little go charge the battery and it charge faster, way more comfortable.

Read an US review then eHEV just released couple years back. It is for 2.0L version for CRV hybrid, but you can reference it.

Interview with Honda engineers there stated when driving about 40km/h smoothly 60% of time can be pure EV drive. When increased to 60km/h, the pure EV ratio reduced to 30%.

It been a while and I converted MPH to KPH approximately.

If this numbers remain true with the 1.5L eHEV, it is very efficient. Better than Toyota HSD with 1.2kwh - 1.3kwh battery I experienced in Prius/Prius C.

No challenge on efficiency, true. I feel 800km full tank is easily achievable. I have crossed 500km with 3 bars of fuel left.

My major problem is how the cruise control catches for speed. It applies very harsh acceleration. That instant, the noise is unbearable. If I cancel cruise and hit the pedal myself slowly, its smooth.

Generally for rush hour traffic, at 30 to 40km/h, its always on EV mode.

I have not counted, but I feel approx 10 mins. But when you're cruising in slow traffic, the regen helps to keep topping up battery quickly. During this period of drive, never hear the engine sound.
One thing I notice is immediately upon reach reaching a stop, the petrol engine immediately goes off.

For my regular city driving I use paddle shift to set regen at Level 2.
Because of acc, I very rarely apply my breaks in between drives.
For normal braking, yes, the brake feels harder to me compared to my City, but the feel on foot is natural and nice. I press for a tad bit, and let brake hold takeover.

Just a refresher on how Honda's i-MMD system works. It doesn't have a gearbox despite the 'eCVT' naming. The engine + electric motor combo directly drives the front wheels (and the rear as well in some models which have a rear electric motor). Low speeds below 80km/h ideally should be electric motor running only, the engine will only kick in at higher speeds or to recharge the battery. In summary it should offer very good efficieny at lower speeds but will lose out a bit in power during high speeds (as in the case of City RS). Its the closest we get to a series hybrid system here, until Tan Chong decides to bring in Nissan's ePower models here. (Can google about 'series hybrid system' if you want to understand more)

The main concern is a major component which is the clutch that decouples or couples the electric motor with the petrol engine. There's reported incidents that this clutch tend to fail leading to a power loss. Not sure if such cases is reported here yet because before HRV there's only City RS using i-MMD

Personally I am waiting for the 2.0 i-MMD in the Civic Hybrid to arrive here, that should be good enough for a C segment even when the battery is running low





Comparison with Toyota's THS and Nissan's ePower



电机 - electric motor
发动机 - petrol engine
发电机 - power generator
逆变器 - power converter
电池 - battery
离合器 - clutch

Here's a good article comparing the 3 hybrid systems. Only in chinese unfortunately

https://mini.eastday.com/mobile/21091705402...02650&referrer=

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Aug 14 2022, 12:07 AM

If you drive enough cars, you will find not all ACC are created equally. Hard acceleration is sadly pretty common. Some also affected by rain, enter/exit tunnel sometimes will auto disengaged. While some are mind blowingly consistent.

You the first one that said Honda ACC harsh. It proven again Wxxcar is bullshit paid review. They praised it better than TSS 1.1/2.0 which I find hard to believe.

I can confirm Mazda ACC is harsh, it is last gen tech and due for refresh amyway. Honda up until FC facelift 2020 and Toyota old TSS 1.0 are also doing hard acceleration and hard braking with strong nose dive as well. Then most others are slightly better at middle pack, eg Nissan Altima 2.5s my favorite rental car when travel to US. Best ACC are Hyundai, Volvo, Tesla by large margin up until 2019-2020 by many credible international reviewers (Straightpaip, Buycartv, Savagegeese etc). I can testify for Hyundai and Volvo, never driven Tesla.

Now many already catch up. TSS 2.0 is huge improvement (I can testify 2022 Harrier is quite good, it seems to be 1.1 with extra patch, sales person explained ACC same, just 2.0 can recognize more object types on the road for AEB), BMW Personal Copilot get good reviews, Ford ACC will do lift off and cruise over long distance like a human (really interested to try this when chance come by) to name a few. They are now at least on par with the 3 traditional ACC leaders if not better.

Honda sensing ACC is pretty harsh but can be manually assisted to smoothen it (applying acceleration to brake, for example)

Lol wap car

Not everyone can do precise throttle input like you man. This solution is not for everyone.

A lady drove my ES once, few years ago. I wasn't feeling good after lunch. Lol wheel spin out of junction. Counter intuitive solution was put the car in sport mode, let her felt the push early to ease off the input early. It was a little jerky with on/off throttle, at least no more wheel spin.

Yeah, funny counter intuitive methods like what I've mentioned and what you've applied with Sport mode.

Very interesting car designs with human behaviours

U are not encourage to use cruise control if want to get better fc or having fc challenge. It will try put effort to maintain the speed doesn't matter what the situation. When heading a slight climb, the cruise control will try drop gear etc, this make fc worse vs controls smooth by manual.

This. Same behavior in my Jazz Hybrid. Without cruise control I can get at least 700km on a tank, with cruise control it just consumes more fuel to stay at speed.

Which make the Ford implementation of ACC so interesting. From Taiwanese review of Kuga, the ACC have a more relax margin around the set speed. It will lift off and glide like human driver from far when the car in front gradually slowing down.

Didn't see any news from local Ford about this. Very interested go test this out myself.

Just took a short 20KM drive after my car collection last week.

- Turbo performance was impressive and acceleration was very smooth. This is in comparison to Proton's turbo (preve)

- Cabin insulation very good indeed. I didnt realize my speed was at 130KM/h if i didnt look at the speedometer.

This post has been edited by Area51SE: Aug 15 2022, 06:23 PM

Can't wait to see on YouTube that new HRV vs X50, DCT vs CVT, which one is faster...

FC on the Hybrid RS model is insane. This is my last 3 days driving after fueling on Saturday (refer attachment).

This has been mostly driving in city with mixed - straight drive and stop and go traffic.

With these numbers, 800km per full tank is easily achievable.

One thing I have changed in my driving habit is to cut off ACC when the leading car departures at faster speed. I accelerate gradually to allow the car to pick up speed smoothly and not too harsh.

I wonder driving continuously on the highway like Plus would get me better or lower FC.

This post has been edited by hus2020: Aug 16 2022, 12:07 AM


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On paper specs, HRV Turbo achieves 0-100 in 8.8 seconds, Civic V achieves it in 8.4 seconds and X50 claims it to be 7.9 seconds. You can see x50 vs Civic, paper specs lie… and you can infer that HRV turbo would be faster than X50

As days goes by…the interest is fading . Good feedback on the car.

the dct in the geely car is not tuned aggressively, as per say VW DSG. The civic cvt mimicking the normal auto rev here is nice.

Getting 22.4km/L from mostly driving in the city with mixed traffic, that is very very impressive indeed. This further eliminates any doubt that I once had regarding the e:HEV system.