Sedition charge these extremists

kalau nak liberal tak salah.

tapi jangan sampai melanggar batasan.

ada sebabnya kenapa agama melarang tampal gambar manusia dalam rumah.

ada sebabnya kenapa orang melayu tak simpan patung dalam rumah.

nak liberal boleh. tapi kena faham dalil aqli dan naqli. lepas dah faham, kamu nak pegang mazhab apa pun takde sapa persoalkan.

fahaman yang tak dipandu dan tidak terkawal akan memusnah masyarakat.

sebab itu umarak harus menghormati institusi ulamak selagi dalam hal yang haq.

Oi bingai. Jual arak dgn bersihkan kuil tak de kaitan.

Tak de dalil yg melarang bersihkan kuil. Kenapa tetiba ada walaun nak haramkan benda yg harus? Dah dah tak yah nak tunjuk bingai kat sini.

Kalau mcm tu, cukai dari kedai judi dgn arak, org Islam jangan sentuh lar. Kenapa ada lagi melayu kerja kat KK dgn 7e yg jual arak?

God's law interpret by human,.. would it be God's law anymore ??

This post has been edited by Cincai lar: Dec 30 2021, 09:55 PM

Sng citer, xde dalil cakap haram bersihkan gereja dan kuil. Kalau benda tu haram, kita dah ada dah hadis atau ayat Quran yg jelas cakap haram. Gereja ni dh wujud Zaman Nabi. Mustahil Nabi tak bagitau secara jelas pasal benda ni kalau betul haram.

he should also fatwah that they should not touch non muslim taxes.

sebab tu kamu kena faham dari mana datangnya fatwa.

bila mufti mengeluarkan fatwa ia berdasarkan maslahah (kepentingan) ummah.

fatwa pun boleh berbeza dari satu negeri ke satu negeri malah dari satu negara ke satu negara.

isu kekufuran adalah isu berat. orang awam jangan memandai kalau tak paham metodologi yang digunakan.

saya pun liberal juga. tapi dalam isu yang rumit saya tunggu statement jabatan mufti dulu.

cara solat kita pun berbeza dari satu mazhab ke satu mazhab.

mana datangnya perbezaan ni kalau bukan intepretasi hadis dan dalil?

sebab tu kena ada mufti yang sediakan garis panduan bergantung konteks dan situasi.

kalau boleh cuci kuil waktu banjir adakah bermaksud boleh juga cuci kuil jika bukan waktu banjir? dan sebagainya.

No choice mah, only human speaks ...

Like I said, it's all about how you interpret the texts that suit your belief.

Ko ni.....

Kufur atau kafara ni dari kata dasar yg bermaksud perbuatan yg menutup sesuatu. Contoh mcm kita tanam benih, kita panggil kafara dalam Bahasa Arab.

Cuba cer, tolong bersihkan gereja/kuil ni mcm mana pulak boleh dikaitkan dgn kufur?

Islam suka kita bersihkan benda yg kotor dan menyuruh kita berbuat baik kepada jiran.

Kita bersihkan kuil/gereja bukan sbb nk bersuka ria abang oi. Kita tolong bersihkan sbb kita sama2 dilanda musibah.

in the end its for human.

whether you are atheist or not, religion has its function in society.

over the course of thousands of years, religion has evolved to fit with reality of the world. those who did not, will die out.

Ikut ko lar.

Nnt ko susah, jgn komplen bila sami kuil tk nk tolong ko.

Takde budi bahasa bermasyarakat.

what so surprising when even bank also sked to see cheques coming from church

itu bukan pointnya.

bila kerajaan PAS kelantan melarang lampu ditutup di dalam panggung dan memisahkan pengunjung lelaki dan wanita, keputusan tersebut dibuat atas alasan untuk menjauhi zina. zina tidak boleh dilarang bila dah dalam bilik sendiri. sebab tu diperlukan 4 saksi untuk pertuduhan zina.

rasionalnya adalah untuk menjauhi perbuatan yang menjurus kemaksiatan.

aku paham cuci kuil atas dasar membantu mangsa banjir. tapi jika kita benarkan saja tanpa statement dari autoriti, dibimbangi adakah boleh juga mencuci kuil jika tidak banjir? ia menimbulkan chain of reaction dan "precedent case" yang menimbulkan kegelisahan masyarakat.

Strike eureka, kam in see the justification for 4 saksi.

Wondering is there anyone would kongkek with 4 ppl around

Sooooooooooooooooooooooo says the guy who got paid with non's taxpayers money and haram money LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

When failed in debate or explanation, straight away use "this is my religion and you don't understand" card

Dahlah tu.
During the floods I volunteered at Masjid.

Saw a lot of nons helping out too.

Too technical to explain....n the long version that i have explain thing before is gone

Simplify to say, which can be practice in all kind of knowledge

Hypothesis = assumption , it is the result of one observation. It will remain as an assumption until it is proven by a verified tool. This tool can be form of establish method, like math, history, science, statistic. Tool also can be equate as knowledge

Fact = something that has been verified and supported by established methodology. If we want to challenge this fact, therefore we need to argue on the tool, what method they use, is there a faulty in the data collection, analysis

Tool or knowledge = it is establish form of method, statement that can be use to draw a line n to decide which is truth n which is false

Example A given

Assumption / hypothesis
I believe that the earth is flat, because the ship that travel in front of me, has been missing.

Any tool that can help verified this or support this? none. It remains as hypothesis / assumptioon

Example B given

Assumption / hypothesis
I believe that the earth is round

Tool used
Mathematic, geographic knowledge

So, it is already verified, therefore earth is round is a fact


Going back to kencing unta arguement
"Some Bedouin from 'Uraynah came to the Prophet of Allah [SAW] and accepted Islam, but the climate of Al-Madinah did not suit them; their skin turned yellow and their bellies became swollen. The Prophet of Allah sent them to some milk camels of his and told them to drink their milk and urine until they recovered.”

Sunan al-Nasa’i (4035)

Hypothesis
Prophet encouraged muslim to drink camel urine

Tool use, what to support or verified this?
Any additional hadith support this - NO, this is the only hadith mention about drinking urine
What history of medicine told about this - urine therapy has been established way far beyond in human history
What science tell us benefit of urine - none

So , because there are history to show that urine has been used so far as therapy in human history even before prophet time, it is wrongly to assume that the prophet has recommended the practice of urine drinking

A wise man say, a smart and intelligent people are people who is able to think based on the context

Clearly we can see that the prophet is simply a normal man. He is simply practice it because that was what medicine being practide during that time. That practice is not something new, it is even long long time ago. Even if u look at the narration, it is simply a witness account of what happen. the prophet never say oo muslim, or muslim must etc..etc..

If the prophet do really mean it to be recommended or practice, based on obse5rvation , the prophet will stress the matter many many time. Therefore there will be more hadith to support it. Meanwhile, only 1 hadith exist, means it is simply a witness account of an event, nothing more

SO WHAT HAPPEN, why some scholar stick that urine is recommending
Because they simply refuse to think.
Because as u can see....nothing actually can verified or support that prophet recommending drinking urine. As mentioned early, if a statement cant be verfiried, or supported by any means, it will remains as assumption. Even current knowledge has been totally agaisnt it. But unfortunately, muslim nowaday dont trust science, whcih is unfortunate

This is how i decide what truth or false. It is an universal concept. Fact or truth is something that able to verified abd support. Therefore, if u want to challenge any fact, u must go through the tool / method used to draw up that facts

Really DLLM this kinda scumbag

In times of crisis, humanity should be at the forefront, not ur stupid religion