The problem with islamic education there is no quality control.
Its like everyone also can talk islam, even celebrities also can become ustaz.
Sadly, even sekolah pondok is out of monitoring

If there is no monitoring, no quality control, how to expect those islam learner got the real message of islam

So jadilah kes mcm minum kencing unta, even thought the hadith is simply a history record. Then democracy haram, western knowledge haram, bankharam, tax haram, etc

No comment. everyone can say that as third party
its like saying , soya is good for heart, soya is not good for heart
for those dont understand statiistic n research of course will find this statement confusing, n unsure which is the true
but for those understand statistic n research, the knowledge can give them a definitie answer which is true

that s why we need to go depth into methodology. methodology will determine its truthfulness

just like science too...soya is good for heart , soya is bad for heart . which statement is truth.
to determine the truth , u just gonnna go into methodology of science, study the data collection, study how it is analysis. If there is faulty . u will know

saying that everyone has version of islam , is similarly like those who know nothing about science, statistic,d ata collection to determine the truthfullnss of the matter

Too technical to explain....n the long version that i have explain thing before is gone

Simplify to say, which can be practice in all kind of knowledge

Hypothesis = assumption , it is the result of one observation. It will remain as an assumption until it is proven by a verified tool. This tool can be form of establish method, like math, history, science, statistic. Tool also can be equate as knowledge

Fact = something that has been verified and supported by established methodology. If we want to challenge this fact, therefore we need to argue on the tool, what method they use, is there a faulty in the data collection, analysis

Tool or knowledge = it is establish form of method, statement that can be use to draw a line n to decide which is truth n which is false

Example A given

Assumption / hypothesis
I believe that the earth is flat, because the ship that travel in front of me, has been missing.

Any tool that can help verified this or support this? none. It remains as hypothesis / assumptioon

Example B given

Assumption / hypothesis
I believe that the earth is round

Tool used
Mathematic, geographic knowledge

So, it is already verified, therefore earth is round is a fact


Going back to kencing unta arguement
"Some Bedouin from 'Uraynah came to the Prophet of Allah [SAW] and accepted Islam, but the climate of Al-Madinah did not suit them; their skin turned yellow and their bellies became swollen. The Prophet of Allah sent them to some milk camels of his and told them to drink their milk and urine until they recovered.”

Sunan al-Nasa’i (4035)

Hypothesis
Prophet encouraged muslim to drink camel urine

Tool use, what to support or verified this?
Any additional hadith support this - NO, this is the only hadith mention about drinking urine
What history of medicine told about this - urine therapy has been established way far beyond in human history
What science tell us benefit of urine - none

So , because there are history to show that urine has been used so far as therapy in human history even before prophet time, it is wrongly to assume that the prophet has recommended the practice of urine drinking

A wise man say, a smart and intelligent people are people who is able to think based on the context

Clearly we can see that the prophet is simply a normal man. He is simply practice it because that was what medicine being practide during that time. That practice is not something new, it is even long long time ago. Even if u look at the narration, it is simply a witness account of what happen. the prophet never say oo muslim, or muslim must etc..etc..

If the prophet do really mean it to be recommended or practice, based on obse5rvation , the prophet will stress the matter many many time. Therefore there will be more hadith to support it. Meanwhile, only 1 hadith exist, means it is simply a witness account of an event, nothing more

SO WHAT HAPPEN, why some scholar stick that urine is recommending
Because they simply refuse to think.
Because as u can see....nothing actually can verified or support that prophet recommending drinking urine. As mentioned early, if a statement cant be verfiried, or supported by any means, it will remains as assumption. Even current knowledge has been totally agaisnt it. But unfortunately, muslim nowaday dont trust science, whcih is unfortunate

This is how i decide what truth or false. It is an universal concept. Fact or truth is something that able to verified abd support. Therefore, if u want to challenge any fact, u must go through the tool / method used to draw up that facts

Boleh je kau letak guard situ utk pantau. what a big deal? atau pisahkan buat partition, atau buat check up

sorry bro, but islam today is already like zaman eropah gelap, read this https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications...ay-from-science

mungkin ramai tak sedar, minda kita ni kena racun dengan pemikiran salah terutamanya dari sufi. sebab sufi ni selalu utamakan falsafah2 benda yang batin. As result mind set kita pun asyik tengok batin je, tak nak tengok yg zahir.

Contoh
Kes selfie kat kaabah. Sedangkan org tu cuma bergambar sahaja kerana perasaan gembira. It is self expression as human. Tp mindset sufi ni dia akan fikir fokus benda2 takde depan mata, benda batin,.,...ooo...ni riak, ujub. Sedangkan mana kau tahu

Sama juga dgn kes timah....dah sah2 nama fatimah tu, fatimah. Tp disebabkan mindset sufi yg suka tgk benda2 batin ni, benda timah jadi fatimah. Sedangkan arab tak pernah pun guna singkatan ni

Ni antara racun tersirat yg telah bersarang dlm minda muslim. Tgk pada batin saja....yg zahir depan mata tak nak tengok. Therefore, benda yang tak wujud depan mata pun, diada2kan macam ada

This post has been edited by bani_prime: Dec 30 2021, 10:27 PM

lagi satu , kita ni tak boleh bezakan tradisi atau tidak.
contoh haramkan kedai arak, sedangkan kedai yg ada rokok, vape yg mmg ada fatwa haram, takde pula kena haramkan kedai rokok atau vape
seolah2 kita ni terlalu ikut tradisi,
ckp amal maaruf nahi mungkar....tp asyik2 pilih jalan perundangan, bagaiaman dgn peranan kaunseling, dakwah. org yg tak pernah bersekolah , tak kenal islam pun, just amal2 kerana ikut parent, dah kena paksa pakai tudung. mmglah islam tu mewajibkan, tp mengapa wajib dibuat dlm bentuk perundangan

This post has been edited by bani_prime: Dec 30 2021, 10:35 PM

Org yg bijak dia tgk pada konteks. Ni lagi satu contob fikiran batiniah. Walaupun ada asal usul ketuhanan, tp zaman hari ni yoga diamalkan kerana faktor kesihatan. Ada kau tgk org amal yoga pasal nak Buat ibadat? Almost none.

Lebih2 lagi secaea saintifik, yoga ni menyihatkan. Malahan ideal utk org tua yg perlukan kurang aggresif.

Tp ni masalah bila tak tgk konteks. Tgk benda secaea literal semata2 Dan tgk secara batiniah.

Ulama.... Please lah. Salah satu tanda akhir zaman ialah Allah angkat ilmu ulama. So basically dah berlaku....sampai kan bekamn Dan kencing unta pun dianjurkan amalan nabi. Ni dah cukup bukti, ilmu sudah diangkat. Kau nak tunggu sampai bila utk terima kenyataan ni? Geng ruwaibidyah pun dah wujud.... Apatahblagi Geng penunggang agama, ulama jahat Dan ilmu diangkat. Benda ni dah berlakh depan mata dah. Kita je tak nak mengaku

Org yg bijak dia tgk pada konteks. Ni lagi satu contob fikiran batiniah. Walaupun ada asal usul ketuhanan, tp zaman hari ni yoga diamalkan kerana faktor kesihatan. Ada kau tgk org amal yoga pasal nak Buat ibadat? Almost none.

Lebih2 lagi secaea saintifik, yoga ni menyihatkan. Malahan ideal utk org tua yg perlukan kurang aggresif.

Tp ni masalah bila tak tgk konteks. Tgk benda secaea literal semata2 Dan tgk secara batiniah.

Ulama.... Please lah. Salah satu tanda akhir zaman ialah Allah angkat ilmu ulama. So basically dah berlaku....sampai kan bekamn Dan kencing unta pun dianjurkan amalan nabi. Ni dah cukup bukti, ilmu sudah diangkat. Kau nak tunggu sampai bila utk terima kenyataan ni? Geng ruwaibidyah pun dah wujud.... Apatahblagi Geng penunggang agama, ulama jahat Dan ilmu diangkat. Benda ni dah berlakh depan mata dah. Kita je tak nak mengaku

Aku nak Tanya azlanlah...
Bila kita terlalu marah dan terlafazkan cerai, kut mazhab syafie, cerai tu sah, jatuh talak. Malah, disokong beberapa ulama mazhab shafie. Antaranya ialag imam Al shawqabi
Tp kitab asal imam shafie, imam shafie kata tak jatuh talak. Tidak dianggap cerai

Kau ckp nak ikut ulama, ikut ulama zaman terkini imam shawqani 1700ani atau ikut imam shafie?

This post has been edited by bani_prime: Dec 31 2021, 09:21 AM

meditation is not exercise. not comparable to yoga.
All form of prayer is a meditation, n all type of prayer is good for health anyway.
So , i in a way does not agree with your view. The context is obviously different , as compared to yoga

Since muslim has already has prayer based on their way, i do not see any reason why muslim should adopt nonmudlim form of meditation. Remember meditation = prayer, lebih kurang sama je. But it involves more on ritual part.

Dont use sufism as a good example, as in my opinion, it was sufi school of taught that is responsible for all this fikiran batiniah. Even sufi also responsible for the declining of science in islamic civilirization. Because science believe in cause and effect, some of the scholar cant accept it, because accordiong to them, if science is cause and effect, this entirely against the concept of god willing. So science was discourage to the externd that some people say learning science is haram

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications...ay-from-science


This post has been edited by bani_prime: Dec 31 2021, 09:40 AM