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yugimudo
post Dec 30 2021, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 07:16 PM)
the ustaz have a point though. you need to look at the whole speech.

in his words, the is a hadith where muhammad shows cleaning up the mosque is an honourable thing to do.

so from this hadith, the ulamas conjectured that cleaning up other worship house is akin to honouring the other religion. hence it reaches "syirik" (polytheism).

furthermore, there is no pressing necessity to clean up other worship house.

this is what i think. but the ustaz maybe forgot this polemic started in the midst and context of flood disaster. so maybe other muftis can detail and outline the fatwa needed.
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Ak tak paham lar melayu Islam nih.

Kalau bab looting kedai, laju jer cakap darurat lar bagai. Nak selamatkan nyawa bagai.

Bila bab muafakat, semua nak jadi lagi alim. Tau tak baitul maqdis seblum pembebasan tempat tu rumah ibadat jews? Tu lar kiblat pertama org Islam dan Bila kita tukar kiblat ke kaabah, Nabi tak pernah downgrade nilai Baitul maqdis.

Kita bersih kn rumah ibadat org lain atas sbb muafakat. Kita nak balas jasa sbb masa kita susah, tmpat2 ni banyak bagi manfaat kpd umat.

Kalau ustadz bingai ni nak main petik had is lepas tu quote out of context, dia boleh pegi jahanam.

Kalau budak umur 11 tahun ak boleh maafkan tp ni umur Tua dah nak mampus pun tak leh hidup harmoni dgn komuniti.
yugimudo
post Dec 30 2021, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 08:36 PM)
thats my point. it depends on the context. just because its good does not always mean you have to do it. you have to draw a line.
syirik (idoltary) is the biggest sin. even bigger sin than homosexuality. 80% of the quran warns about syirik.

its understandable if many muslims are sensitive against this issue.
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Bersihkan rumah ibadat org bukan Islam mana jatuh syirik oiiiii.

Syirik ni kata dasar di syaraka atau bm dia lebih dari satu.

Camner ko pegang mop kat kuil atau gereja tetiba jadi perbuatan menyekutukan Allah?

Jangan membingaikan akal fikiran.
yugimudo
post Dec 30 2021, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(biggie @ Dec 30 2021, 08:54 PM)
Mufti Penang has made a statement is ok to clean temple.
And obviously he has higher authority...
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Abaikan ostadz jewtube tuh. Tk relevan pon.
yugimudo
post Dec 30 2021, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 09:45 PM)
kalau begitu kenapa perlunya wujud perbankan islam?

tahukah kamu secara jelas Allah perintahkan manusia memerangi riba?

Allah juga memerintahkan manusia menjauhi zina.

sedangkan menjual arak pun diharamkan syarak, apa lagi membersihkan kuil?

setiap fatwa atau hukum yang kamu keluarkan itu menimbulkan implikasinya yang tersendiri.

mufti pun perlu musyawarah bila nak keluarkan fatwa.

tapi kalau mufti pun kamu tolak, then i rest my case.
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Oi bingai. Jual arak dgn bersihkan kuil tak de kaitan.

Tak de dalil yg melarang bersihkan kuil. Kenapa tetiba ada walaun nak haramkan benda yg harus? Dah dah tak yah nak tunjuk bingai kat sini.

Kalau mcm tu, cukai dari kedai judi dgn arak, org Islam jangan sentuh lar. Kenapa ada lagi melayu kerja kat KK dgn 7e yg jual arak?
yugimudo
post Dec 30 2021, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 09:51 PM)
kalau nak liberal tak salah.

tapi jangan sampai melanggar batasan.

ada sebabnya kenapa agama melarang tampal gambar manusia dalam rumah.

ada sebabnya kenapa orang melayu tak simpan patung dalam rumah.

nak liberal boleh. tapi kena faham dalil aqli dan naqli. lepas dah faham, kamu nak pegang mazhab apa pun takde sapa persoalkan.

fahaman yang tak dipandu dan tidak terkawal akan memusnah masyarakat.

sebab itu umarak harus menghormati institusi ulamak selagi dalam hal yang haq.
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Sng citer, xde dalil cakap haram bersihkan gereja dan kuil. Kalau benda tu haram, kita dah ada dah hadis atau ayat Quran yg jelas cakap haram. Gereja ni dh wujud Zaman Nabi. Mustahil Nabi tak bagitau secara jelas pasal benda ni kalau betul haram.
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post Dec 30 2021, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 09:58 PM)
sebab tu kamu kena faham dari mana datangnya fatwa.

bila mufti mengeluarkan fatwa ia berdasarkan maslahah (kepentingan) ummah.

fatwa pun boleh berbeza dari satu negeri ke satu negeri malah dari satu negara ke satu negara.

isu kekufuran adalah isu berat. orang awam jangan memandai kalau tak paham metodologi yang digunakan.

saya pun liberal juga. tapi dalam isu yang rumit saya tunggu statement jabatan mufti dulu.
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Ko ni.....

Kufur atau kafara ni dari kata dasar yg bermaksud perbuatan yg menutup sesuatu. Contoh mcm kita tanam benih, kita panggil kafara dalam Bahasa Arab.

Cuba cer, tolong bersihkan gereja/kuil ni mcm mana pulak boleh dikaitkan dgn kufur?

Islam suka kita bersihkan benda yg kotor dan menyuruh kita berbuat baik kepada jiran.

Kita bersihkan kuil/gereja bukan sbb nk bersuka ria abang oi. Kita tolong bersihkan sbb kita sama2 dilanda musibah.


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post Dec 30 2021, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 10:01 PM)
cara solat kita pun berbeza dari satu mazhab ke satu mazhab.

mana datangnya perbezaan ni kalau bukan intepretasi hadis dan dalil?

sebab tu kena ada mufti yang sediakan garis panduan bergantung konteks dan situasi.

kalau boleh cuci kuil waktu banjir adakah bermaksud boleh juga cuci kuil jika bukan waktu banjir? dan sebagainya.
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Ikut ko lar.

Nnt ko susah, jgn komplen bila sami kuil tk nk tolong ko.

Takde budi bahasa bermasyarakat.
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post Dec 31 2021, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Dec 30 2021, 10:20 PM)
Really DLLM this kinda scumbag

In times of crisis, humanity should be at the forefront, not ur stupid religion
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Supposedly when we are in crisis, people should refer to religion on how to be human.

Some people, when in crisis, like to use religion to gain more power.

Believe me, there is no way a religion would teach people to ignore others in difficult times. Just people who manipulate religion to for personal interest.
yugimudo
post Jan 1 2022, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Jan 1 2022, 11:19 AM)
I don't agree, religion always presents a bias view in dealing with anything, including a crisis. Obviously your view and others are in conflict because of how you and others interpret religion, and the different often contradictory positions are adopted by religious people throughout the world. The only way out is in many instances, a rational secular data/evidence driven solutions, coupled with the fact that regardless of religious or not, most humans are kind and helpful.
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Don't talk shiet.

Secular data also can be bias.

Many anti vaxx use secular data. Many movement using secular data to push their agenda.

Science is useful to explain things that is observable and measured. Religion is useful to guide us through the unknown.

Human is the one who like to manipulate everything to achieve their end goals.
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post Jan 1 2022, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Jan 1 2022, 11:33 AM)
The shet is on you I am afraid.

You are contradicting here. All religions are humans.
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????

What my contradiction? Religion is a code of idea, like guideline. Human is the one who choose to act.

 

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