The problem with islamic education there is no quality control.
Its like everyone also can talk islam, even celebrities also can become ustaz.
Sadly, even sekolah pondok is out of monitoring

If there is no monitoring, no quality control, how to expect those islam learner got the real message of islam

So jadilah kes mcm minum kencing unta, even thought the hadith is simply a history record. Then democracy haram, western knowledge haram, bankharam, tax haram, etc

that s why we need to go depth into methodology. methodology will determine its truthfulness

just like science too...soya is good for heart , soya is bad for heart . which statement is truth.
to determine the truth , u just gonnna go into methodology of science, study the data collection, study how it is analysis. If there is faulty . u will know

saying that everyone has version of islam , is similarly like those who know nothing about science, statistic,d ata collection to determine the truthfullnss of the matter

God's law interpret by human,.. would it be God's law anymore ??

Too technical to explain....n the long version that i have explain thing before is gone

Simplify to say, which can be practice in all kind of knowledge

Hypothesis = assumption , it is the result of one observation. It will remain as an assumption until it is proven by a verified tool. This tool can be form of establish method, like math, history, science, statistic. Tool also can be equate as knowledge

Fact = something that has been verified and supported by established methodology. If we want to challenge this fact, therefore we need to argue on the tool, what method they use, is there a faulty in the data collection, analysis

Tool or knowledge = it is establish form of method, statement that can be use to draw a line n to decide which is truth n which is false

Example A given

Assumption / hypothesis
I believe that the earth is flat, because the ship that travel in front of me, has been missing.

Any tool that can help verified this or support this? none. It remains as hypothesis / assumptioon

Example B given

Assumption / hypothesis
I believe that the earth is round

Tool used
Mathematic, geographic knowledge

So, it is already verified, therefore earth is round is a fact
Going back to kencing unta arguement
"Some Bedouin from 'Uraynah came to the Prophet of Allah [SAW] and accepted Islam, but the climate of Al-Madinah did not suit them; their skin turned yellow and their bellies became swollen. The Prophet of Allah sent them to some milk camels of his and told them to drink their milk and urine until they recovered.”

Sunan al-Nasa’i (4035)

Hypothesis
Prophet encouraged muslim to drink camel urine

Tool use, what to support or verified this?
Any additional hadith support this - NO, this is the only hadith mention about drinking urine
What history of medicine told about this - urine therapy has been established way far beyond in human history
What science tell us benefit of urine - none

So , because there are history to show that urine has been used so far as therapy in human history even before prophet time, it is wrongly to assume that the prophet has recommended the practice of urine drinking

A wise man say, a smart and intelligent people are people who is able to think based on the context

Clearly we can see that the prophet is simply a normal man. He is simply practice it because that was what medicine being practide during that time. That practice is not something new, it is even long long time ago. Even if u look at the narration, it is simply a witness account of what happen. the prophet never say oo muslim, or muslim must etc..etc..

If the prophet do really mean it to be recommended or practice, based on obse5rvation , the prophet will stress the matter many many time. Therefore there will be more hadith to support it. Meanwhile, only 1 hadith exist, means it is simply a witness account of an event, nothing more

SO WHAT HAPPEN, why some scholar stick that urine is recommending
Because they simply refuse to think.
Because as u can see....nothing actually can verified or support that prophet recommending drinking urine. As mentioned early, if a statement cant be verfiried, or supported by any means, it will remains as assumption. Even current knowledge has been totally agaisnt it. But unfortunately, muslim nowaday dont trust science, whcih is unfortunate

This is how i decide what truth or false. It is an universal concept. Fact or truth is something that able to verified abd support. Therefore, if u want to challenge any fact, u must go through the tool / method used to draw up that facts

Milk maybe beneficial but urine as a byproduct? Same thing like those apek who keep bragging drinking their own urine is the secret to longevity.

I think got. He make speech in a stadium like concert. I kid u not.

Supposedly when we are in crisis, people should refer to religion on how to be human.

Some people, when in crisis, like to use religion to gain more power.

Believe me, there is no way a religion would teach people to ignore others in difficult times. Just people who manipulate religion to for personal interest.

Don't talk shiet.

Secular data also can be bias.

Many anti vaxx use secular data. Many movement using secular data to push their agenda.

Science is useful to explain things that is observable and measured. Religion is useful to guide us through the unknown.

Human is the one who like to manipulate everything to achieve their end goals.

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What my contradiction? Religion is a code of idea, like guideline. Human is the one who choose to act.

Talk with knowledge not.your kuku.
If you dun have knowledge about.islamic fiqh, please dont talk shiat.

Yes, what UAI mention.is from islamic fiqh..islamic perspective ..pls provide.nas or.evidence.against his view.from any reputable.scholar.if there is any. Yes, a muslim should always typically.refers.to islamic teaxhings than.brain out emotionally.

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Then Pls provide us .the non typical narrative.with nas (evidence) from hadith or al-quran.

I dont buy things without evidence or not in line.with the knowledge. Of islamic fiqh.

I already approach the relevant scholar and.authority in.the.field because there are other.scholar saying.the same.thing as UAI because it did bug me.at first. Anyway, if you.dont.have any.credible.nas, i have nothing.else to say.. lakum deenukum wa liya deen_.

No offence but.that.is.not.the.way to.read and.understand.the.quran. you.need to.learn beyond the.translation. it.is.not.easy to.derive.something.just.by reading.translation. anyway i appreciate.the concern.

Non muslim like Christian, buddism, hindu have no problem with each other but why only islam?

People said your religion your religion, my religion my religion..

We are good with that until certain religion shoving their belief into others.

I still remember long time ago, there is this one fella in /k who is vegetarian preaching vegetarian lifestyle to /k and saying meat eater is wrong.. he got tembak by all /k Muslim, Christian, buddism, Hindu all united tembak this /k.

We couldn't care and don't have time to care on what you believe as long as it didn't bothers others.
Pakai apa, nak control
Makan minum nak control
Business apa, nak control. Bukan business illegal, ada lesen ada bayar cukai.
Hiburan nak control, censor ni censor tu, bukan kata censor tak betul, semua negara ada censor, av jepun pun ada censor.
Ni sampai nak tolong orang pun nak control.

I didn't read the entire 15 pages of this topic.
Anywaysssss......he just said what I just said, except in Bahasa, and he said it in worst case scenario context and in a way that only Muslims can understand fully.

It's not wrong to help clean up in a temple during disaster, but as Muslims, we have to be very clear on our niat, very clear on what we can do, what we cannot do, what we can touch, what we cannot touch, etc etc.

There are limits to what a Muslim can do to help out in temples etc during disaster. But ask yourself, is that really a cause for people to get upset about?
And as a non Muslims, why do they feel the need to push those limits?

Rationale contextual understanding should come with knowledge of deriving the real meaning based on the history, arabic wording and literature etc2. We cant just brain out using rationality without at least "basic" understanding of the verse. Islam is a duvine  religion  not a religion in our head only. We need to learn islam to understand to prevent misunderstanding and misconception.

Who knows the reality of faith? This is our belief. I dunno if there is any smar@ss who can interpret other religious teachings without even the basic foundational knowledge about islam. In Islam, we refer this kind of controversy to muslim scholar and not braining out ourselves. If some other non muslim butthurt because we dont return the favour the same way, it is due to the religious teaching forbid us. We can always return the favour some other way. Please respect our religion because this is our belief system. If you dont, we cant do anything ..lakum dinukum waliyadeen.

What claim. Im just saying, religious law should be interpreted not using empty brain, but with knowledge of the religious subjects. Suddenly /k butthurt with UAI and other muslim scholar giving their opinion on their expert subject. If you want to interpret your own religious principle and teachings.its up to you.

You are not muslim scholar are you?

What we are trying to tell you is that we Muslims all share the same beliefs.
You can accept that beliefs or you cannot accept that beliefs, either way it doesn't matter to us.

You come in here and you tell us our beliefs is wrong.
Wrong based on what? Based on your views?

It sounds rude, but you are not qualified to give your views on Islamic theology. Islam is not a religion that must conform to what you think it must be like this, or it must be like that.
7th century, 21st century, it doesn't matter. Islam never changes.
Even as society become more and more liberal, Muslims must stay true to our teachings.

You are trying to make Islam conform to the world.
Tolerance is accepting differences.
Tolerance is not forcing others to conform to you.