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 We don't clean up non Muslim house of worship

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Zaryl
post Dec 30 2021, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 09:45 PM)
kalau begitu kenapa perlunya wujud perbankan islam?

tahukah kamu secara jelas Allah perintahkan manusia memerangi riba?

Allah juga memerintahkan manusia menjauhi zina.

sedangkan menjual arak pun diharamkan syarak, apa lagi membersihkan kuil?

setiap fatwa atau hukum yang kamu keluarkan itu menimbulkan implikasinya yang tersendiri.

mufti pun perlu musyawarah bila nak keluarkan fatwa.

tapi kalau mufti pun kamu tolak, then i rest my case.
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I’ve been searching all day long for banks who can offer me RM10k loan, and i just need to pay RM8k back, and the bank gives me RM2k cashback.

Until today still cannot find.

Back to the topic at hand, i think it’s okay to go cuci cuci temple & tokong DURING the aftermath, because many people are badly affected. Many people are suffering and these kind cleaning activities really help a lot to ease the burden.
Maybe those monks instructed to just cuci cuci the exterior area and not the deity statues, because i think those area are offlimits.
Some more, those monks did helped muslim victims too. They don’t be selective on who they want to help ya?
All extra helps are most welcome. notworthy.gif

After the aftermath has subsided, no need for muslims to simply come to cuci cuci those places anymore la.

In conclusion, if you or UAI are not badly affected by the flood aftermath, i think you should STFU & instead go HELP the victims in the means of donating some money or go volunteering there yourself.

I am never in favour of UAI since last time, especially when he said it’s okay to use pirated software for our own use, that is made by the non muslims that waged war with muslim eg. The Jews. Isn’t that still considered STEALING?

Good luck answering to God later on why you use Intel-based CPU computer because 1 click of mouse = 1 bullet to kill a palestinian kid


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post Dec 30 2021, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(smallbug @ Dec 30 2021, 07:55 PM)
the pisang goreng damn 9 expensive; reporting you under anti-profiteering act again...
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kalau mahal makan yang lain laugh.gif
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post Dec 30 2021, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 07:30 PM)
ustaz ni yang agak wahabi/salafi pun melarang perbuatan mencuci rumah ibadah agama lain.

kalau ulamak pondok melarang, ulamak wahabi pun melarang, aku tak tahu nak kata apa lagi.

dalam hal ni aku lagi suka kalau kita tunggu fatwa mufti. malangnya masih belum ada apa2 statement dari jabatan mufti perlis (walaupun perlis agak wahabi).

pada orang awam macam kita yang masih ragu2, tambahan pula dalam keadaan darurat macam ni, teruskan sajalah. kita tawakal saja kerana autoriti sendiri belum ada guideline yang jelas.
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Nak tunggu authority?

tolong la kekadang guna otak sendiri. God gave us all brain, and please use it to think.

Tak salah cuci rumah ibadat orang lain. Asalkan niat kau jusy utk menolong sesama manusia. Tak kacau akidah or iman kau. We live in a society, bukan dlm tempurung.

Fucking hell. Bunch of retards who say it is wrong to help other religion is fucking retard. We need to help each other.

This post has been edited by hirano: Dec 31 2021, 02:15 AM
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post Dec 30 2021, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 10:11 PM)
aku paham cuci kuil atas dasar membantu mangsa banjir. tapi jika kita benarkan saja tanpa statement dari autoriti, dibimbangi adakah boleh juga mencuci kuil jika tidak banjir? ia menimbulkan chain of reaction dan "precedent case" yang menimbulkan kegelisahan masyarakat.
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Bila Sikh kat Gurdwara Sahib Petaling Jaya gabung tenaga with Muslims tolong mangsa banjir isu menimbulkan kegelisahan masyarakat tak timbul.



But here it just about some Muslim kids helped cleaning temple suddenly you become prejudice until saying do they also need to cuci kuil time not banjir? Come on bro. We are in hard time now. Have a heart and understand the meaning of kindness. Not feeding off the bigotry and spread around hatred like this.
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post Dec 30 2021, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(Optizorb @ Dec 30 2021, 10:47 PM)
ni bukan darthboyzeee punya idola ke.. kan dia selalu suka petik UAI ni..

patut la retard sgt puak2 lebai walaun ni..

jap lagi dia masuk sini protek2 idola dia..
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Dedakboi walaun tu dah kena SUS-ed. Nasib baik.
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post Dec 30 2021, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 07:16 PM)
the ustaz have a point though. you need to look at the whole speech.

in his words, the is a hadith where muhammad shows cleaning up the mosque is an honourable thing to do.

so from this hadith, the ulamas conjectured that cleaning up other worship house is akin to honouring the other religion. hence it reaches "syirik" (polytheism).

furthermore, there is no pressing necessity to clean up other worship house.

this is what i think. but the ustaz maybe forgot this polemic started in the midst and context of flood disaster. so maybe other muftis can detail and outline the fatwa needed.
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Saladin didnt just clean the church, he put back the fallen cross in its place, and washed the blood stained floors with rose water.

what u call that? Syirik?

dun be a fukken retard
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post Dec 31 2021, 12:00 AM

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Dont want help and put religion on the table... Apa taik
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post Dec 31 2021, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 10:11 PM)
itu bukan pointnya.

bila kerajaan PAS kelantan melarang lampu ditutup di dalam panggung dan memisahkan pengunjung lelaki dan wanita, keputusan tersebut dibuat atas alasan untuk menjauhi zina. zina tidak boleh dilarang bila dah dalam bilik sendiri. sebab tu diperlukan 4 saksi untuk pertuduhan zina.

rasionalnya adalah untuk menjauhi perbuatan yang menjurus kemaksiatan.

aku paham cuci kuil atas dasar membantu mangsa banjir. tapi jika kita benarkan saja tanpa statement dari autoriti, dibimbangi adakah boleh juga mencuci kuil jika tidak banjir? ia menimbulkan chain of reaction dan "precedent case" yang menimbulkan kegelisahan masyarakat.
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Eh puak pas macam kau ni memang semua bodoh eh?

Pelik aku.
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post Dec 31 2021, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 07:16 PM)
the ustaz have a point though. you need to look at the whole speech.

in his words, the is a hadith where muhammad shows cleaning up the mosque is an honourable thing to do.

so from this hadith, the ulamas conjectured that cleaning up other worship house is akin to honouring the other religion. hence it reaches "syirik" (polytheism).

furthermore, there is no pressing necessity to clean up other worship house.

this is what i think. but the ustaz maybe forgot this polemic started in the midst and context of flood disaster. so maybe other muftis can detail and outline the fatwa needed.
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Of course at the other end some nons helped to cleanup a mosque. Wats yor say on that?

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post Dec 31 2021, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(hirano @ Dec 31 2021, 12:02 AM)
Eh puak pas macam kau ni memang semua bodoh eh?

Pelik aku.
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Dia tak paham yang mufti ni manusia jugak, bukan tuhan, bukan pengutus.

Lebih lebih lagi, dia tak pernah nampak reply dalam /k yang mengaku dia uztaz, menerangkan mufti ni bagai satu kelab, yang tidak mengizinkan uztaz lain yang tidak bersehaluan dengan mereka join mufti.

Maklumlah, mana mana organisasi pun sama, mesti ada pemimpin, dan yang kat atas tu takkan bagi orang yang tak bersehaluan join organisasi diorang. Politik namanya.

Sikap manusia yang takkan berubah, manusia selalunya mementingkan diri. Semua manusia sama. Baik paderi, baik sami. Percaya diri sendiri, kadang kala kena tanya, tujuan diorang buat sesuatu. Jangan telan bulat bulat.

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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Dec 30 2021, 10:14 PM)
Strike eureka, kam in see the justification for 4 saksi.

Wondering is there anyone would kongkek with 4 ppl around  laugh.gif
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Only puak yang like gang rape would justified why 4male saksi required, male ya...brows.gif

No wonder 2feidei selamat, he and clerickilla je rogol, tak cukup saksi laugh.gif

So faham faham ya.....don't too much ya, nanti koyak wey
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When saladin alayubi conquered jerusalem, the 1st thing he did was clean up the church and wash it and the city with rose water.
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this person in more powderful than mufti. why he is not the mufti? coz ketua agama dun wan him
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post Dec 31 2021, 01:38 AM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 10:11 PM)
itu bukan pointnya.

bila kerajaan PAS kelantan melarang lampu ditutup di dalam panggung dan memisahkan pengunjung lelaki dan wanita, keputusan tersebut dibuat atas alasan untuk menjauhi zina. zina tidak boleh dilarang bila dah dalam bilik sendiri. sebab tu diperlukan 4 saksi untuk pertuduhan zina.

rasionalnya adalah untuk menjauhi perbuatan yang menjurus kemaksiatan.

aku paham cuci kuil atas dasar membantu mangsa banjir. tapi jika kita benarkan saja tanpa statement dari autoriti, dibimbangi adakah boleh juga mencuci kuil jika tidak banjir? ia menimbulkan chain of reaction dan "precedent case" yang menimbulkan kegelisahan masyarakat.
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So you need authority to tell you whether you can be a proper human and extend help to your fellow humans?

Does your religion/authority/mufti teaching you to forgo being a human being, in the name of religion?
Religion > humanity? Pretty sure no religion teaches that.
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post Dec 31 2021, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Dec 31 2021, 01:38 AM)
So you need authority to tell you whether you can be a proper human and extend help to your fellow humans?

Does your religion/authority/mufti teaching you to forgo being a human being, in the name of religion?
Religion > humanity? Pretty sure no religion teaches that.
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cus their balls bigger than their ego.

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post Dec 31 2021, 03:09 AM

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Dec 30 2021, 10:27 PM)
Boleh je kau letak guard situ utk pantau. what a big deal? atau pisahkan buat partition, atau buat check up

sorry bro, but islam today is already like zaman eropah gelap, read this https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications...ay-from-science

mungkin ramai tak sedar, minda kita ni kena racun dengan pemikiran salah terutamanya dari sufi. sebab sufi ni selalu utamakan falsafah2 benda yang batin. As result mind set kita pun asyik tengok batin je, tak nak tengok yg zahir.

Contoh
Kes selfie kat kaabah. Sedangkan org tu cuma bergambar sahaja kerana perasaan gembira. It is self expression as human. Tp mindset sufi ni dia akan fikir fokus benda2 takde depan mata, benda batin,.,...ooo...ni riak, ujub. Sedangkan mana kau tahu

Sama juga dgn kes timah....dah sah2 nama fatimah tu, fatimah. Tp disebabkan mindset sufi yg suka tgk benda2 batin ni, benda timah jadi fatimah. Sedangkan arab tak pernah pun guna singkatan ni

Ni antara racun tersirat yg telah bersarang dlm minda muslim. Tgk pada batin saja....yg zahir depan mata tak nak tengok. Therefore, benda yang tak wujud depan mata pun, diada2kan  macam ada
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apalah ko ni.

takde kaitan dgn sufi.

sebaliknya mentaliti ni dibawa dari aliran salafi/wahabi.

which is really the opposite of sufism.

batiniah tu cerita lain. nusantara dah lama ada batiniah. salafi ni datang selepas revolusi iran dgn modus operandi "pembersihan" agama.

itu cerita lain la.
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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Dec 30 2021, 10:45 PM)
ini la bahayanya kalau terlampau nak control suatu benda

bang, isu disini cuci bagi bersih sebab banjir, bukan cuci suka2 hati...yang ko dok melalut sampai nak cakap "precedent case" tu memang tak masuk akal la dan menjurus kepada senario yang melebih2, dan lebih kepada nak act holier than thou.

Do muslims in this country really need the authority to give them permissions to do kindness? In this case, a charity act of cleaning a temple? Perlu ke? Jiran ko non-muslim minta tolong, ko cakap kat dia 'oh sorry saya perlu permission dari jabatan agama untuk tolong anda, nanti kalau saya tolong saya tak nak jadi precedent case pula"

jangan pula ada orang kata 'certain muslims can't think for themselves as if they don't have hearts nor brains'
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kamu ni tak paham metodologi agama.

tugas ulamak dan para scholars adalah menyediakan panduan atau guidelines.

kamu nak ikut atau tidak bukan persoalannya.

seperti yg aku dah kata awal2 tadi, kalau takde statement dari autoriti, kita proceed saja bantu apa yang sepatutnya.

dulu pun aku takde masalah dengan yoga. tapi lepas fatwa dikeluarkan jabatan mufti, baru aku faham kenapa ianya diharamkan. siapa yang nak teruskan terpulang. tapi pada fikiran aku, aku faham kenapa sebaiknya ia dijauhkan saja.



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