My last post for the next 12 hours.

When 1 walked into a casino/4d shop to gamble, there are only 3 possible outcome, lose if unlucky, breakeven if not lucky/unlucky or win if lucky.

Same when 1 walked into a scam knowingly or unknowingly. out same 3 outcomes.

Most if not all here are not the scammer, they could be the MIB or IB or whatever the UPline term is but they are the gambler, they believe they can win and some might already won.

When they won, some obviously shares the good news with their kaki /family. it is normal. If their kaki /family syiok, then own appetite own risk liao. Nothing in this world is constant/confirmed for eternity except DEATH. Everyone should know that.

One's wife is not one's wife until she dies as one, same goes to the male gender. Only DEATH is constant / confirmed.

my earlier post did mentioned that i do feel this is a money game, too good to be true but also too good to let it pass, so i took a gamble a few mths back.

So, same good luck to those in TFX and peace be upon you to those that are against.

👍👍
As long as, ....
As long as you did try to research as much as possible both good n bad about the products that you want to promote
(ex: you tried to study the approval license, chemical data sheets, get research papers on its side effects)
As long as you did warn the buyers during the promotions of the products.
(ex: telling with facts about availability of any banned chemical or possible side effect before the buyers buys)
As long as you did not try to emphasise less of the bad and emphasised more of the good to entice the buyers.
(ex: briefly tell of the that product is in the alert list then tell that alert list also has etoro or fxcm or Binance in it too, to try to dilute or justify the issue)
As long as you know in your mind and beliefs that you had tried your best to know of that products before promoting it and tell all both good and bad during promotion.

In short, "just do unto others what you liked others to do onto you".

The rest is not your problem... For you cannot helps all the people all the time. You can only helps some people some of the time....and at the right time.

Some people had been karma-ed during past life to be scammed in this life.

Well just my believes about karma. Thus don't have to listen if does not suits you.

No right or wrong. Just you are you, and me is me.

Like for, there are some that would like to walk into a known possible scam just to try to gamble their money because they believes they are lucky enough to get away before it burst... At the same time giving out various reasons for doing that gamble..... Like for ex: "it is my afford to lose money", So even if it burst, before I could get out, I am okay too".

Some would just prefered to stayed far away from it....at the same time giving various excuses for doing that "stay clear of it". Like for ex: "I don't want to be made a water fish."

This post has been edited by MUM: Aug 17 2022, 10:15 PM

Don't think on individual basis.

This scheme will cost losses to a group of victims for the benefits of a few scammers. Within the group of victims, very few will make profits but majority will lose their life savings/education fund/retirement fund. This is just wrong!

you know why casinos exist? even though there is always 90% losers most of the time. and always the house wins?

people love to gamble. can't stop them. so instead of arguing with them the better thing to do for the greater good, better to just present the facts that's it. you go and argue with someone who wants to go to genting casino no use one. the fella will still go, he's already prepared to lose 1k or 2k or 10k whatever amount. win then he told you so. lose already "aiya, i already said i'm going there i'm prepared to lose".

better just stick with the facts. if things go south, then you know you did your part lo

Final warning for user who uses multiple dupes account replying on the same post.

For genuine reader, please aware that dupes can be playing both parties, too many probational account replying here & became inactive after.

This post has been edited by IccyAsd: Aug 18 2022, 09:40 AM

I beg to differ. In every selling, there is a product. Only, this may not be a physical product. It might be credit point, or special point system as a product.
I was previously, in the younger days la that is, working for a ponzi company. This is just why I know a little more of their modus operandi. They were selling a " system " as well, there isn't a physical product whatsoever. You would be puzzled at how the system can help generate money. The system is a smoke screen, where they use it to claim it as their product. Just like how forex is doing it. So back then, the investment was on the " usage of the system " . They acquire merchant and as the merchant news grow large, they tell you monies are made there. To earn more, you invest more. It started small as well. But the investment eventually over years went up to RM40k for starters. And they would get back as much as 12%.

When I ask people, are you getting a profit in your first year, it is because the founder personally tells me this " I was merely giving them back their money and if they had potential, I will take from another place to give them their money so that they continue to recruit. They were so big they even had a government agency funding them.

So if an upline gain advantage by owning more " product " which can be in credit, in discount, those ae their products. If the upline can save someone USD100 withdrawal fee, that USD 100 is giveable maybe because if the upline invested above 100k, they are given a RM20k discount, they may use that 20k discount do cut USD100 for their downline, etc.

I don't know the whole system cause I am not in it. But i am sure, ponzi won't run far.

Thanks for confirming our suspicion

Readers beware!

TFXI is waiting for a timing, for a particular currency drop due to sudden news, and they will use this as reason to tell the so called investor that Yuri make a loss and stop-loss function not in time to withdraw the fund.... They will find an excuse to run away like China Rajesh fund, but not quietly close down & disappear.. Eventually, some stupid fund contributor will still think that they loss because of the risk of investment but actually they are CHEATED BY SCAMMER... All the best to the TFXI contributor, u not only loss your money but also help TFXI to destroy a lot of innocent families, it's blood money if you make it. Hope u will get what you deserve in the hell too....

This post has been edited by kinnasai: Aug 18 2022, 10:21 AM

For this Triumphfx, .... Anyone has any idea of how much the direct up lines make from each of his down line?
For each New investor how much % of commission? Is it based on per person or per investment amount?
If per investment amount, how long does the cut last? Only for xx month or forever as long as there is a new deposit?

Heard for insurance, the agent will get about 40-50% of the 1st year premium then this rate will be reduced next year and reduce again the following year, till abt 4-5 years. Cannot really recall the details.

This post has been edited by MUM: Aug 18 2022, 12:24 PM

If Rajesh fund can run away with the money, this mean Triumph FX does not guarantee the safety of the funds like what they claimed to be. Do Rajesh investors still be able to see money in their account, just not able to withdraw?

Insurance industry is heavily regulated by BNM. Prior to 1 Jan 2018, there are limits on how much total (agent and his/her leader) commission that can be paid out over time (usually six years unless premium term is shorter). After 1/1/18, there has been deregulation to allow more innovation and competition. If BNM past action is used as a guide, BNM won't hesitate to take action if any player starts doing something not in the interests of consumers. Since 90s (could be earlier), BNM has imposed these limits and 2018 is the first time these limits were deregulated. I am using this "deregulated" word because BNM could have imposed other conditions that we may not be aware of (as mentioned it's heavily regulated).

Basic (not including overriding, performance, etc) commission for a 20 or more years premium term could be 35/25/15/15/10/10%. Shorter premium terms have lower rates.

Wrong.

Gambling shop doesn't tells you it's an investment with guaranteed high returns and takes your money to continue scamming other people.

Gambling shop is just that. You walk in knowing it's gambling and you walk out, win or lose knowing what's the risk and gain.

You also don't get recruit your whole familiy savings into gambling as it's only your habit.

Obviously you don't have a centre of morality.

Only people with who lacks any sense of morality can use any illogical comparison to justify their scams.

according to presentations and testimonial, i do believe the investment got benefit many people and families before

many of them have gotten passive income with the RM / USD EXCHANGE method and actually no need pays USD100

it seems not EVERYONE is loosing money, i plan to join not getting any downline. and my upline got say many do not even have downline, just get 7% every 5 week, and many even dump in a lot e.g. RM100k and get back a big RM in 5 week, the money used for family or kids or house... NOT EVERYONE is victims, and A LOT GAIN BENEFIT

On this,
" i plan to join not getting any downline..." 👍👍👍

On this, "NOT EVERYONE is victims"... The adventure not yet ends... If only when it burst... Then it will ends

Do you know there is a saying from Casino Owner: I don't scare players winning my money, I just scare they don't come and gamble only.

Sure some people have earned, but if they just keep investing and expecting more, then for sure 1 day they will give it back.
The scam works because some small group of people is earning, and they spread the "good news". If from day 1, no 1 is earning, who will join?

This again is the main reason, why deep in their heart they know is a scam but people still invest. They always think they are smarter than those "Masterminds". Victims always think I will act faster than them. In fact, those early birds did earn some money, but if they keep investing in "MLM" 1 final day their money will be cheated. Same theory to the Casion Boss.

Withdraw to USDT la. Cheaper fees. 😁

Genting did not advertise SURE WIN, Genting did not give commission to you if you bring your friend going in to play.
Casino is for entertainment.

A scam is a scam. Don't try to beautiful it or make up for your scam scheme.
Don't try to twist logic.

People like you who support a scam scheme are cockroaches in society. This is why Malaysia can be scam heaven,
every single person with the mindset like you. Thinking they can be the pioneer of the scheme to make BLOOD money from latecomers.

Give you an example,
You are living in a town, running an armor shop.
A group of people planning mass robbing in your town,
approaching you to get arms every week, asking you to introduce anyone with arms to them.

Deep down, you knew they are planning something bad.
But you support them, because you get money from them,
you feel WONDERFUL getting so much money by weekly supporting them.

The day has come, they did the mass robbing in your town, killed your mum, dad and friends.

Simple as that, the KARMA will hit you 1 day, just wait for it.

In front of your own benefit, you have no humanity and basic morality.



5% For anyone that you intro to.
10% If you introduce more than 5
15% If all your downline invested more than USD 15k

That's what I knew from the stupid ex-banker friend.

Omg, I tot they got nothing when they recruit someone. No wonder some people take this as their full time. If someone is taking 15% of the initial investment, how the heck they can generate so much profit from the 85% base investment. The tfi investors need to earn more than 100% returns per year to feed the business. Apa business so lucrative that Warren Buffet missed out this opportunity. Haha. Ask him to all in la.

so hrrmm how come they get all this extra money??? millions and millions every cycle as profit money worr

If every 1 is investing 1k USD, then 1 new recruit can give 12 person interest. "Investor" wouldn't withdraw every month lah, some will become "confidence" (AKA Greedy) and invest more.