I think you know it already

KFX is exactly what people buy if they don't wish to pew pew china.

Says the person who wants to pew pew china with corvettes and M346.

How do you come to that conclusion?

MY won't be ready forever if the same politicians are in power over & over.

China biggest advantage is in bribing & extortion of a country leader. The leader then would choose to buy a stupid equipment and would force media silence on Chinese intrusion to keep china name Cantek on the eyes of rakyat marhaen.

Something they can't do if we keep on changing leader.

Already said over & over m346 is exactly what politikus would buy if they wish to appear non threatening to china.

Corvette is a whole lot better then FAC isn't it? At the end it was RMN that request 8 missiles Corvette 5 years ago.

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Oct 8 2021, 05:57 PM

Why malaysia not buy type 056 covrvette

Cheap and good.... Alrrady bought by muslim countries like Nigeria bangladesh

Some example of domestic russian prices for military equipment. some russian friendly countries such as Kazakhstan and Belarus are given the same price for them to buy russian equipment.

Ka-52M: 1.075 billion rubles ($14.7 million)
Su-30SM: 1.187 billion rubles ($16.3 million)
Su-35S: 2.287 billion rubles ($31.4 million)
Su-57: >3 billion rubles (>$41.2 million)

Even when russia sold SU-30MKM to malaysia for just $45 million each including all the modification that malaysia requested, they actually still make money from the sale. And all the things they learnt from the MKM they use that experience to develop the SM version.

https://iz.ru/1230276/anton-lavrov-bogdan-s...vykh-vertoletov

Korea has strong economic reliances with china & china abilities to keep a leash on best korea secure their security. They go as far as rejecting to enter the quad nor enter CPTPP. A known US sponsored platforms to encircle china influence.

Their military industrial complex in recent years show the same priorities. A self sufficiency in defense to reduce dependency on US. So they are in better position to choose rather than blindly follow US wishes & Fancy even at the cost of technogical advantage. Korean like sweeden are concentrate on their land defense, because if adversery comes it would comes from there. Their AF & navy is less important thus due to their adversery having lack of technogical advantage thus both service has to play dual role not just to provide defense but also the need to do national service to feed the industry.

Rather than Korean might as well bought Russian. You could be confident that parts would arrive from Russia in time of emergency. Russia are not dependent on china. They are not even Allies and do fight proxy war against one another in Vietnam & India before. Korean however maybe less willing to offended china. korean supplies of parts to Chinese adversery to counter china during wartime can and would be seen by china as an act of war. China afterall are somewhat a co sponsored of Korean wealth & security.

An also probably the reason why the Aussie ditch the french subs. France like Korean aren't that willing to offended china. They don't have any beef with them. Mica maybe as effective as ESSM. But in time of need, the continues supplies of MICA may dry up while for ESSM, not only supplies are more secure, we may get more than what we ordered.

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Oct 8 2021, 06:27 PM

Your country divided by SCS not suitable F35. Why must always 1st Class even cannot afford.? F18 Superhornet cannot.

Because super hornet is a stopgap measure for USN and would be replaced by NGAD by 2030s at the same time we would acquired the MRCA?

At the time we would be shopping for MRCA. There's would be F35A, F35B,NGAD & tempest available.

Su-30K is the parent version of Su-30MKK and Su-30MKI

Su-30MKI is the parent version of Su-30MKM, Su-30MKA and Su-30SM

I don't think they will be reluctant to pew pew China. Seeking industrial independence is just that, I believe.

I think that's a mistake. Russia for reasons of its own will always take the anti-US position. In the event of a China vs US war, they will either be neutral or sabo US and US allies.

The Vietnam war is one example of this. Even though theoretically Russia and China were antagonists at that time due to the Sino-Soviet Split, they agreed on a detente in order to support the North Vietnamese. And it can be argued that even today they are somewhat co-operating. Only very recently have relations cooled somewhat, due to China copying Russian military hardware, and that also is a relatively small thing in the overall geopolitical situation.

France is following Germany's lead, and Germany is reluctant to move against China due to strong trade ties and lack of political will to participate in the superpower conflicts. Same story with Russia; Poland accused Germany of using it as a buffer, and Baltics accused the German-led Continental NATO coalition of abandoning them to be Crimea'd by Russia. It took major Trump and possibly other Anglo pressure to get them to move their asses and form the EFP.

One additional problem with MICA and similar European weapons is the low production count. This means both higher expense per unit and potential lower availability in conflict.

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Oct 9 2021, 01:08 AM

RMAF CN235 MPA conversion during test flight at PT Dirgantara Indonesia facility. Credit to Ali Fahmun.



https://www.instagram.com/p/CUwv-gZPGJb/

If you are tallking about power projection then you should look into support capabilities. Logistics is the key of power projection. Front liners need close and immediate support to survive.
Why US needs Guam? Why China builds artificial island is SCS?
How many support ship and plane ID compare to SG?
LST, LPD, Oiler ship?
Gen. McArrhur used "Leap frog" strategy to cut supply chain of Japanese forces in WWII and it was very effective. US don't need to attack every Japanese position.

Human right issue is a tool of pressing in diplomatic or an excuse to invade foreign land. You have human right issue in arabs but no in Israel.

But ID economy is flourish....their public debt compare to gdp is much lower than MY.

But ID army is already modernized and economy is spread across the nation.

Nothing wrong....taking advantage is a smart move.
Do you think othet nations in kawasan not doing it?
It is not the time yet to decide to support who, better prepare if war is happened.

Bebas aktif is just a tool in general, but if we are at war there is no bebas aktif anymore. We join to who protect our interest and sovereignity.

Why Rafael and why F15? Why not only Rafael or F15?
It is ID policy to get rojak platform after they have learned what embargoed can do to them. They know they can not trust US or anyone. ID is too big to rely on someone. ID see themselves as India or Turkey. Self sufficiency is the only comfort solution.
ID have bargain position on economy and military. US and China preffer to make friend with ID.

Buying Rafale and F15 Will make ID strong, why not?
Logistic nighmare? Only if you can not deal with it.
Even if ID operates F-16 and F15 the logistic issue is there.You can not eliminate logistic issue. Just deal with it.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Oct 9 2021, 09:27 AM

What?
Is there a sign on KFX that it can not pew pew China?

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Oct 9 2021, 09:34 AM

Them pew pew china themselves is different from them helping others pew pew china. Helping others pew pew china is detrimental to their own security & wealth. So the likelihood of them doing so are low.




Russia is playing for Russia 😉

Sino US conflict would keep US out of northern European plain allowing them further inroads west & china out of the Stan securing Russia underbellies. India desire is for Chinese to be occupied with their eastern front and away from the Himalayas.

In an event of conflict with china, India & Vietnam can be sure of supplies from Russia. US themselves are thinking of exempting India & Vietnam from CAATSA.





Not really.

Germany want to preserve the current status quo of US being a security providers for EU against Russia, while France seek to replace Germany roles as EU big boss and dream of the good days of nepolean times instead of EU continue being a 4th Reich. Germany future population decline further fuel their ambitious. They talk about grand plans of European united army & European strategic autonomy which is throwing away the current status quo & EU being a super power themselves.

Off course doing what France wanted would agitated the Russian, something other EU members didn't want, but have no choice if US further withdraw to concentrate on china. Middle eastern are fucked. That's why they are increasing EU weapon purchase to Curry favor

Which mean they are all more willing to close an eyes if you use it to pew pew your own citizens or neighbor. As long as you do it quickly before SJW mobilize and they can pretend to be sadden & imposed sanction to make them look good doing action to preserve human right. US weapon can't at all be use for it. A reserve abilities that SG & ID may want for their navy & AF. We don't.

Our AF & navy are busy with china, and we are at a disadvantage in term of resources. it would be good to get it from a provider that really really really want to screw china aka the anglo Saxons & to a lesser extent niponjin. Afterwards EU, then indian, if not CAATSA Russian, only afterwards Korean & turkey.

TD can continue procuring EU, Korean or turkey weaponry. Anglo saxon TD are too preoccupied with heavy machinery for prolonged multi decades fight something we don't need.We need something like the french have, a equipment meant for quick response in, do the jobs then get out. TD are not there to fight china but more to secure us against non state actors & possible neighbors intrusion like they always do.

Off course a Shenzhen like fully urbanized area in south Johor, a mini shengen zone in the 3 of the choke point in the North and further economic intergration with ID,VN & PH with RORO can help to further cool down conflict with our neighbors by creating a feeling of kekitaan.

So CG mothership would need to be a RoRO similar to RN littoral strike ship concept to acquired RORO building capabilities. That CG LSS can work together with RMN supplies ship, MRSS & a frigate to follow RN littoral strike group concept.

Nice...
Soon will be delivered.

TNI is spoiled of choices for heavy multi purpose frigate (Perform both AAW and ASW). Wonder which they might narrow down

1) Iver Class 6500 tons
2) AH140 (Type 31) 5700 tons
3) Fremm 6900 tons

A big business for those defence contractors though, at least 10 vessels of heavy multi purpose frigate. Who provide best deal and transfer of tech to PT PAL would likely have better chances.





This post has been edited by jwst1313: Oct 9 2021, 10:11 AM

You missed the bus on the latest news??

The AH140 design is to be implemented on the original Iver Huidfledt contract. So both are one and the same.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...ariant-contract

FREMM contract also already signed.

Nothing to narrow down from your list of frigates.

Thank you. i missed out that news. Means deal done. Good. Fast job fast decision