1) that's why I said 500 mil ain't going to buy us much particularly with the weak RM Nowdays.  500 mil a piece is the original budget for a single LCS back then, need a bit of a top up for a marthadinata class back then. With rm 500 mil nowdays we can't even get a Diponegoro class. manhen said recently  only 8 RLCS (down from 18 to 12 to 8) would be bought next year, 2 MRSS by 2024, 6 NGPV by 2026. Hopefully those NGPV get a size upgrade like RLCS and get to type 31 size.

2) that's the reason why them Chinese hasn't been very aggressive here compared to there.the more foreign battleship coming, the bigger ID & SG ship get the better.at the end we can't do it alone. Off course them coming might triggered them Chinese to suddenly get aggressive and build a base on luconia. At this point in time i say AF built up is more important than navy build up.

3) well there's 8 NGPC  more to come, and they already say they open for new design.

I hope you understand my narrative right. I am pushing this not against buying ASW Helis or MPAs, but pushing this cheaper and more versatile option against the navy getting useless much more expensive RLMS like ships for LMS Batch 2.

We can innovate and be the benchmark for the future, or we can imitate others even if it is not exactly suitable for our needs.

Yes of course we still need ASW helis for our Gowind frigates.

We still need MPAs as the eye in the sky.
Yes I fully consider my force structure against an expected threat. Not against China that is invading us, but a China wanting to keep us out of the South China Sea. A strong MMEA with large OPVs and adequate array of other ships to keep Chinese Coast Guard from harassing our economic activities day in and out, with a lean heavily armed TLDM able to strike back if anyone want to start any conflicts.

Well it's not mine.
I'm not duli yang maha mulia seri paduka baginda yang di-Pertuan agong., I wish I were.
Joke aside. Yes it's a fail procurement.

MiCa are chosen compared to ESSM despite ESSM are a far better missiles but both cost about the same. We all know why they did it

Setis are use, despite request for tacticos also we all know why

Go for a custom made vessel, rather than something off the shelf them go buy the blueprint of those vessel pumping the price up 300% from original budget also we all know why.

But to bastard shipyards credit.
Technically the 1st ship are complete but some reports says navy refuse to sign the ship management system and thus it cannot work lah. It's all Hardware without any software install. Navy also reportedly keep changing spefication even after the steel are being cut which results in cost overun. Thought this is mostly their fault for being a dick to their own clients.

Also the price hike from 9 to 12 is not their fault. Mostly the fault of oil crisis that dropped the RM value. They also  need to milk some money desperately since they are deeply in debt as a result of them being the white knight for the Kedah class.

It's a komedi really.

Kasi chan macha. Cronies need to makan oso. Deswai our military procurements are always crippled while certain pockets are filled to the brim

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I would like to know where did you get all those cheap ESSM...
ESSM price for USN 2021 buy is 1.795 million dollars each. Which is RM7.518 million.
https://www.stratvocate.com/files/2021/WPN_...9/WPN_Book.html
If even the Gowinds can carry just 16 VL MICA, it is impossible for tun fatimah OPV to carry 36. It just can't. Even Indonesian Sigma Frigates carry just 12 VL MICA.
ESSM could be quadpacked inside mk41 vertical launchers. That is the advantage of ESSM. Thai Daewoo DW-3000F Frigate has 8x mk41 with maximum possible ESSM loadout of 32 missiles.

There is no 6000 ton La fayette frigate.
Formidable class is 115m long ship. It is a shorter variant than the original 125m La fayete class.
Aster 15 only installed on it while the aster 30 is used as land based air defense.

There is no 6000 ton La fayette frigate.
Formidable class is 115m long ship. It is a shorter variant than the original 125m La fayete class.
Aster 15 only installed on it while the aster 30 is used as land based air defense.

How ID is building their local defence capability is much better than what TNI gets.
It is understandable because ID put heaviily their defence on their own hand. Building locally is very important to them.
PT PAL will be the most capable shipyard in the region.

PT PAL Indonesia in its article claimed they will be able to build 3 frigates in a year. Lets see if they can build 2 AH140 + 1 FREMM or vice versa in a year.
https://pal.co.id/2021/08/publikasi/news-be...-kawasan-asean/

it was a good project.

rather than just getting corvettes as originally planned under SGPV,  we should be getting 6 frigates.

but then...

it was a good project.

rather than just getting corvettes as originally planned under SGPV,  we should be getting 6 frigates.

but then...

Why malaysia build 3100 ton instead use original 2500 ton? Didnt upgrade weapon also

Unlikely to happened.hahahaha

BNS is not MMEH. BNS is relatively new shipyards with not much experience nor have much commercials customer. And thus they relied heavily on their monopoly of navy ship building & maintenance. Without a navy contract they don't have money and thus they won't be able to finish the ship.  Like it or not gov need to transfer them the money first not them handing over ship 1st before getting paid.
The problem at BNS is not the lack of good engineer it's the lack of capable & talented management. When the ringgit goes to the drain, rather than trying to salvage and complete at least some ships (that's would win them public & thus political support) they priorities prepaying overseas suppliers. As it is ,it's impossible to cancel the other 2 ship as all the material are already paid for and are here. You can cancelled it buy you ain't getting much saving from it.

MiCa missiles hasn't been bought,what they bought is only the mica launchers. Not sure if current arrangements can enable mica er to be install or not. If you go around and install tacticos might as well just use ESSM. Completing a ship for the sake of completing a ship like the kedah is something we shouldn't do anymore. The ship are build to do a particular task, if it can't do that particular task, you are just wasting money operating & maintaining those ship.

For a custom solution this one bolehlah priced, the belharra frigates afterall cost RM3.5 billions per unit inclusive of R&D cost. RM 2 billion per unit if the R&D cost are absorbed by their taxes payers.

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I wouldn't choose any of them.

the latest KCR batch 3 number 5 and 6 which is fully armed cost Rupiah 800 miliar or around 56 million dollars each.

https://money.kompas.com/read/2019/08/02/16...-rp-1-6-triliun